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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 52 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 7:08:07 PM |
That's why atheists have to form a personal belief system that doesn't involve brutality towards his or her fellow humans or the rest of the planet for that matter.
Why is that? There's no governing morality, no one *HAS* to do anything. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 7:26:24 PM | | RD2 I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself, I came upon this site by chance and decided to upload the " profile " simply for a chance at a permanent sexual relationship with a woman from my area. A shot in the dark, that's it. I checked out the forums one nite and found it entertaining. It's fun. This is a great site! I'm interested in an array of topics, religion being one of them. Maybe I'll post a poem some day! I'm actually open minded, maybe this is your god at work, maybe I'm on the path to salvation! But I find it equally odd that u can jump, skip and hop to a porn site from this forum on religion. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 7:35:12 PM |
jump, skip and hop to a porn site from this forum on religion.
The Union Gospel Mission is 2 blocks from a strip club in my town.
For the record:
mor·al (môrl, mr-) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
NOUN:
The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 7:48:46 PM | | A Church being near a strip club is appropriate I think. They should invite some of the strippers to a service. If any Christian thinks they are "better" or more "worthy" than a stripper, a gay, or whoever, they are mistaken. If a Church is too high and mighty to have a stripper sit among them, then they need to do some repenting. Jesus of Nazareth was critisized by the religious leaders of His day for hanging out with "lowlifes". | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 58 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 8:09:33 PM |
Unfortunenately governing morality often comes in the guise of the strong arm of the law. Religion also plays it part. In the mind of an atheist it's more internal.
Okay. It's still useless unless it comes from an external source. Or-you-can-justify-anything.
If I, say, punch you in the face, for no reason, you would have no business telling me what I did was wrong.
Or for that matter, if I saved your life, you couldn't tell me what I did was right, because morality is subjective, internal, or whatever. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/2/2005 11:51:27 PM | "My exit from Christianity started with my frustration that God wasn't helping me avoid sexual temptation no matter how often I prayed etc...
Then all the doubts that had popped up over the years started to make me think more about what I really believed.
I'm just not cut out to be a Christian. I see a lot of people happy that they are...but I'm happier now that I'm not."
wow, you sound a lot like me. my loss of faith started with sexual frustration too. it opened my mind to questions i never used to let myself ask. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/3/2005 4:47:17 PM | R2D2: Absence isn't really something thats explainable, for example: "Why don't you have anything in your hand?" doesn't really have an answer, while "Why are you holding a CD?" does have an answer; there is also the third question "What happened to the CD?" The tricky part is that to anyone born to an idea, religion or lack thereof, believes they are in the state of absence.
For my opinion, gods were envisioned to explain the unexplainable. This occurs even now, however now individuals without experience and/or education often explain things as ghosts or aliens. (The intent is not to say the religious are inexperienced and/or uneducated.)
Loukos implies the reason to be moral is for religious reward. Morality at root is an individual concept, our actions should not negatively affect others. Religion has added onto the existing base, with sex, diet, etc. | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 61 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/3/2005 4:49:14 PM |
implies the reason to be moral is for religious reward. Morality at root is an individual concept, our actions should not negatively affect others. Religion has added onto the existing base, with sex, diet, etc.
I imply nothing of the sort. Morality *must* exist universally, or not at all. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/3/2005 8:22:57 PM | Regarding God and sex, I feel that everything hinges on that first act of disobedience, Adam & Eve taking the bite out of (what I call) the conscience fruit. Before they disobeyed God, both of them were walking around the Garden totally naked, and God even used to come down and socialize with them. I think the whole sexual morality issue was brought on by the humanity.
Just because the church says "touch not, taste not, handle not", is it really what God says, too? My suggestion to those that do believe and pray, that you get in that prayer attitude and be quiet for a while, letting that peace envelop you and then have a heart to heart time with God and see what happens. I think you'll like it. | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 63 | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/3/2005 8:28:27 PM | You know, I think it is pretty sad that many of the people who have answered my original question here claims to have given up on God because they were/are horny. It would be hilarious if it were not so pitiful.
One of the reasons I continue to believe in God is something Steven Covey in his "the 7 habits of highly effective people" pointed out. He identified certain "natural laws" in place in the world, and the Universe, that are almost mystical. He stated that He believed that God had set them in motion, but that you did not have to be religious to benefit from following them. I have seen some of these natural laws at work, and agree that design has to have a Designer. I will point out that I do NOT base my whole belief in God on this, but it is just one more thing that affirms it. | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 65 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/3/2005 8:33:13 PM |
You know, I think it is pretty sad that many of the people who have answered my original question here claims to have given up on God because they were/are horny.
I went the other way, especially after the first betrayal. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 5:52:13 AM | loukus, don't start getting depressed again, or i'll have to call you and talk dirty to you for a few hours. i know perfectly well that you don't think somebody needs to be religious to be "moral". i prefer the word "ethical", as it usually doesn't have religious connotations. the aim of many religions is to coerce people into following thier rules by threats of punishment. can you say that a person is really "good", if the only thing keeping them in line is the fear of punishment? to me it is better to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, not out of fear of punishment. that's what i tell my daughter, because i want her to make the right choices, even when she wouldn't get caught for making the wrong ones. even athiests believe in love, and if you try to stay inside it you will seldom go wrong. there is seldom much love in the rules made by religions, or in the actions of churches if you can see past the propaganda.
by the way, to the person who posted this, my rejection of christianity has NOTHING to do with my sexual capacity. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 8:01:27 AM | | Personaly I originally walked away from god because no matter how much I prayed and followed the teachings of the bible my life just seemed to get worse. for the record I read the majority of the new testament by the time I was 11, and I understood it. So, I decided to look for truth on my own. The conclusion that I came to was that I speak to god in my own way and he speaks to me in a way that only I can understand. I don't need some "man" to talk for god when he perfectly capable of doing the job himself, we just have to be open enought to listen. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 8:28:22 AM | i have not read all the posts to this but is skimmed some and i would like to say why i chose a differant path. I chose the Pagan path for very, very good(at least to me) reasons. I grew up in a luthern religion for most(if not all) my life. However i think i never really adhered to all the teachings that it stood for. My biggest peeve with the Christian God was and always has been " follow me or go to hell" ok so he's basically saying if i lead a GOOD life, and did every thing in a posative light just because i didn't give praise to an enity that never even makes himself known(to most) i go to hell? wow real forgiving God isn't he. That was probably my biggest peeve of all. They preach and preach that he is all forgiving yet in the blink of an eye he'll wipe the entire planet of all life for no other reason then, he didn't like the people. Shall i go on? i don't mean to flame i am just listing reasons i don't adhere to christianity. So what made me turn to Paganism? i think its the wiccian rede that did it most of all. It makes more sense then the ten commandments ever did and its one sentence " and harm ye none, do as ye will" that line basically says do no harm and your fine to do as you please. That means its ok to be gay, or do somthing out of context as long as your not hurting some one else or yourself. Hey didn't that just cover ALL ten commandments in one LINE wow... those ancient pagans sure knew how to simplify things didn't they. Then there is the larger picture Paganism is much much much older then christianity(don't be decieved by the fact it was re-established in the 1950's, paganism resurfaced then because christians nearly wipped them out). But i think the biggest reason i like paganism is the fact that the Gods are on a personal level with me. They aren't some observer way up high as a watcher no no there here with in us, around us and listening to us. We can use there energy to change things! that is so much more intimate relationship then i ever had with the christian God. But if you want to know the largest reason i shy away from christianity, is how a person can worship and enity that wants them to DESTROY all other religions, of course prehaps this is merely man's interetations of his word. Well i apologize if i offended anyone out there but i voiced my mind, my opinion as i always do and will. Do i hate christians? not at all i respect you for your beliefs but that doesn't mean i have to follow them.
Blessed Be, Loci | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 8:31:16 AM | | I agree and going down taught me that contemporary churches don't care about anybody, there only concern is in appearing rightous. And that is also how I learned to lean on god even when things seem hopeless, because there is fine differance between wants and needs. For instance, we want to have a home to sleep in, but we don't always need one for survival. And when I lean on god my needs are always met, but I have to be willing to put in the work, even god doesn't give things without a price. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 12:31:08 PM | OK, I didn't leave Christianity just because I was horny, however the fact that I was horny and God was NOT providing me a wife ("It is better to marry than to burn") was in a large part the CATALYST that led me to be open to questioning the beliefs I was brainwashed into in high school.
Being lonely gave me a lot of spare time to spend being introspective, and analyzing the big questions and realising all the holes in the christian belief system. | |
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soco
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Joined: 1/23/2005
Msg: 72 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 12:51:16 PM | | It all comes down to human nature. We are afraid of the unknown, therefore we create gods to comfort our minds when thinking about death. I don't believe Jesus was the son of God. Because everyone that grew up with chrstianity knows about the holy trinity. Now if jesus is supposed to be god in the flesh, why on the cross did he say My Lord why have you forsaken me? If he was god then y would he question himself? | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 73 | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 75 | |
| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/4/2005 1:57:37 PM |
i know perfectly well that you don't think somebody needs to be religious to be "moral".
"Religous", no.
What I do think is that if someone is truthful to themselves. they have to admit the existance of some kind of supreme being to accept the concept of morality. | |
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