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Posted: 3/13/2006 5:39:04 AM | this story just keeps getting worse the more they have of it on the news.... they had beatie say about parents taking responsibilty for their kids and know where they are at all times... pretty much.. so it doesnt happen again.... the father of the brothers turned around and said to that... well i'll like him to take of 6 kids and then lets see how he handles it....
if people heard that comment... they wont get alot for the appeal for the 2 boys.... and child services will look into their parenting.... the plead for the appeal came right after what the father said as stated above...
Im going to take a huge assumation here... but people might say how sad this has happened... but why have so many kids if you cant care for them and not want to have the responsbility to pay for funerals... coz they are paying for the eldest brothers still.
it funny but now the parents are involved with the media... the tale is starting to unravel....as to why they were there in the first place.
is this really put down to simply bad parenting? | |
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Posted: 3/13/2006 6:14:22 AM | a new installment in the whole thing... i am trying to find a article where the mother said she last saw the kids when she left to take her daughter and her niece shopping.... really it just isnt adding up... why would you go shopping before 6am in the morning... as the boys were seen at 6:30am at a shopping centre..... are these parents in denial that it wasnt their fault it happened?....but anyways.... this is what the parents had to say about how they parent their kids....
from the courier mail.
'We did a good job' - parents
Renee Viellaris, Richard Finnila and Rosemary Odgers
March 14, 2006
THE families of three children killed by a train on Saturday are adamant they were good parents.
Norma Boyd, her partner Jo Duncan, and Kelly Boyd yesterday denied they had neglected their children or had faced Child Safety Department scrutiny.
Norma Boyd's sons Hayden Duncan, 11, and Glen Duncan, 8, and their cousin Reggie Fisher, 9, died instantly when a Queensland Rail train ran over them between Redbank and Goodna stations.
The distraught families said yesterday the boys would have been walking back to Carole Park because they didn't have money for public transport.
"For anyone to say that (the children had been neglected) about me or my sister, have no rights to say that," Norma Boyd said.
Mr Duncan, father of Hayden and Glen, said he had searched for the children when they did not return home by 6pm.
The boys were not reported missing to police until 11pm.
"In regards to parenting responsibilities, I think we did a good job," Mr Duncan said, also speaking on behalf of his sister-in-law Kelly Boyd.
"My sister-in-law, she looks after all her children herself and I applaud her for doing that," Mr Duncan said.
Premier Peter Beattie and Child Safety Minister Mike Reynolds said yesterday parents needed to take responsibility for their children.
"The Premier (would) want to get out and look after six kids himself (and) see how tough he finds it," Mr Duncan said.
"Me and my missus, we have raised all our eight kids ourselves – we never asked no one for any help."
Mr Beattie said calls for better security fences around railway tracks were not a solution.
"We have really busy highways where we don't have fences . . . we've got thousands and thousands of kilometres of railway lines in this state," he said.
"There needs to be a very heavy parental responsibility on these things.
"I know that's not a pleasant thing to say, but someone's got to tell the truth about this.
"It's really important and I'm speaking generally, when it comes to young children, parents need to take parental responsibility."
Mr Reynolds said the incident was a tragedy and his sympathy went to the victims' families and the train driver.
"This incident again highlights the importance of parents being vigilant and knowing where their children are at all times," Mr Reynolds said.
"I urge parents to be aware of the dangers of leaving their children in unsupervised public areas or any place that they can come to harm."
Mr Reynolds refused to confirm or deny that the children were known to the department, saying the law prevented him from revealing the details.
Australian Federated Union of Locomotive Employees state secretary Greg Smith said the driver has revealed he didn't see the children until it was too late. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2006 6:34:59 AM | | actually i have just had a thought.... the kids were told to follow the train track to find their way home right.... but this main stretch of highway .. the train track is right alongside of it... the boys could have easily followed the track down all the way down to the exit to carole park... as there are huge signs over the highway saying which way to go.... there is also housing on one side of the highway ( not the track side) where footpaths were.... this could have been completely avoided if their parents didnt say follow on the tracks to find your way home... but walk on the safer side and still following the tracks.... | |
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mish
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Joined: 2/15/2006
Msg: 28 | |
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Posted: 3/13/2006 10:32:17 AM | I couldn't believe a parent said that to the premier.
They had the kids, they take responsibility for it.
For the funerals, When they make arrangements they can make plans to pay for it.
As a parent, the cost of a funeral is nothing, yes would be hard to pay for but my kids costs are nothing!
Train Tracks, I know of kids that hang about near us at the tracks.
I am always reminding my kids not to play around near tracks, or be stupid as kids do at the platforms.
The parents didn't report it untill 11pm? umm hellooo??
News too can leave some things out, make it seem worse.. so as it cools down a little, wonder what is being told in the papers/on news then.
but as for what the parents said..it doesn't sound good. they will also be in shock.. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2006 4:06:03 PM | they are saying that they cant afford to pay for a joint funeral as they are still paying off the oldest boys one from 2months ago.... but you would think that they would be able to add on to those payments... it just might take a little longer to pay off thats all... but to rely on other people to give them the money for it... i think is asking too much.... what if they got more money then what it actually cost... where would that money go?...
i remember when i was younger living in the redlands.... we use to take the shortcut to go to a station when going into town... there was a hole in the fence... we would walk 30mtrs to the platform and climb up... but we always knew what time the trains ran.... so was ok... if there was a train on the platform already heading down the line the driver wouldnt leave until we were on the platform... plus you could tell when a train was coming... the tracks would scream. but like i said.. we knew when they were to arrive at that station and we made sure it was before a train was to be there.... it wasnt until the highschool was built and opened in 88 that in 89 they built a subway ramps alongside and under the track for students to walk safely... and to cross the canal without walking the plank and falling into the water... we took the short cut as we didnt want to walk the 3kms around to get to the station and walk on a busy main rd.... but we knew what to look out for and what risk we were taking...that station master knew us and he was the one that told us how to be track safe... even for the short distance we did have to walk...
but like i had said.... this could have been avoided if the boys walked along the footpath on the other side of the road... that motorway runs alongside of the traintracks.. and you can see it from the safer side... the boys didnt have to walk the track... and they could have rung home reverse charges to see if anyone can pick them up if they had no money for transport...
i have always remembered a bit of good advise my father use to say to me when i would go into town at the age of 10 by myself... always carry enough money for a phone call in a separate pocket so if you get into trouble... you can call home.... and to this day... although i have a mobile... i still carry 40cents with me everywhere i go. | |
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mish
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Joined: 2/15/2006
Msg: 30 | |
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Posted: 3/13/2006 4:21:49 PM | The same goes with my kids. Kids have got mobiles, if they are late I ring them.
Sometimes the kids don't have enough credit and I will ask them to keep money on them, but they usually spend it.
My son recently (problem child), actually showed he is smart when he used the reverse charge!! That actually impressed me. I couldn't get him, so rang his dad to call him up, his called him... funny thing was my son was worried at how he was getting home, didn't occur to him he was right beside the train station! (son can only do one thing at a time, think of one thing etc has problems as i said).
So,on this, did the parents teach the kids to use reverse charges? even though its on tv alot, kids still need a reminder when walking out the door.
And funeral costs yes, they may have one to pay for but in these kind of circumstances funeral directors can be flexible. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2006 4:40:28 AM | DAVE my father is a train driver so i understand what you were saying in your post .The last time my father hit someone was about 10 or so years ago .Dad was pulling into central station syd and he saw this guy looking as if he was going to jump ..so he slowed down and the guy walked away and poor old dad thought its okay to progress on .but the guy ran as dad speed up looked at dad smiled and jumped ..Dad never really got over that one he still has that vision sometimes .
But in getting back to the original meaning of this forum what a waste of three very young lives i agree with most on here in saying where the bloody hell are the parents??? ,we have our children for such a very short time and in that time it is as parents our responsibilty to keep them safe ,happyand loved .I have to question the mental state of the irresponsible parent ..i know you cant watch your children 24/7 but come on look at the ages of these kids where was a responsible adult ???? i didnt have to be neccesarilly a parent but someone of maturity .I dont know some people shouldent have kids!!!!! ...okay im going to have a very strong coffee now. | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 32 | |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 3:57:27 PM | You know there is a silent minority (thank God) who would disagree with many aspects of this discusson. So let me put their point of view. No matter how well you care for your kids - accidents do happen. Secondly, when the worst nightmare happens, you will forever classify your life into before and after that date. Thirdly, there is never closure after the death of a child. Fourthly, there is a very strong tendency by others to judge parants who have lost a child BUT it is understandable because it reflects the fears of everyone who is a parant. Finally, the death of a child is incredibly destructive in terms of partnerships, family relationships, friendships and least of all, career and economic well being.
But I am glad to see this subject raised because it raises awareness of many issues that a bereaved parant has to deal with not least the awful awareness that tomorrow is promised to no one. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 6:04:37 PM | i will not disagree with ya on that netab.... but in this case... the parents didnt know where the kids where... they assumed the kids were playing at the park.... a large minority of parents know where their kids are... and give them a set time to come home... if the kids arent home by that set time... they start looking for them within 30mins or so... these kids were gone for over 12hours before they started to worry...
i know myself when my son is old enough... if he is out playing with mates at their house i know he is being supervised... if he is going to be at the park... i know he will come home when he is hungry... and to bring his mates with him... i have always given him water even now if he is going anywhere with anyone... but thats just me... i will always know where my son will be.
even to this day when i was staying at my days place... i would leave him a note to say i have gone out to the shops if he wants something to ring me or i will ring him before i leave the shops.....or if im out drinking (before child) or at a friends house i will be home tomorrow the latest...even when i have stayed with child and left before he got home i would do a thank you note and tell him i will let him know i got home ok.... hell i even let them know when im walking out the door if im going to see someone so they know if im not there by the certain time they will see if everything is ok.....it is just a common sense thing... and this i will put forth to my own child when hes old enough to venture out on his own.
there was plenty of things these parents could have done to provent this from happening....
accidents will always happen they just cant be helped... but some can...... parents will know where their kids are... or at least been told the rough plan of the day depending on the age of the kids.... | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 34 | |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 6:55:57 PM | Yes, I don't disagree IF they are the facts that you are reading. As you may have guessed, I lost a child, in this case a car accident. The Papers reported that she was a boy by the name of Nicholas Surname, that she died at the Melbourne Childrens and that his age was 10 years. Facts - her name was Nicole, she was four and she died instantly (thank God) at the scene of the accident in her mothers arms, outside the Austin Hospital. The police report indicated that she died in the car in the front seat. Fact she was in the back seat of the car and her mother got her out onto the pavement. Another newspaper report, stated that I attended the scene of the accident; fact, I was in a light aircraft over the Gibson desert in the Kimberley when I recieved the news. I could go on with contradictions that went all the way to the Coroners Court. All I'm saying, be a bit careful what you read. Everyone is upset when a accident like this occurs and it can lead to misleading reports. If they are misleading, the parants either won't notice or won't care until much later when another tragedy has everyone's attention.
If they are the facts - I don't disagree with you - there is reason for concern. But, I would tend to think that some of these facts may have been gathered by shocked newspaper reporters from shocked and grieving relatives - I'd just be a bit careful in accepting the reports per se. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:48:46 PM | plus the parents were very forthcoming with information on what happened that day for them.. not the kids as they didnt know where they were...... the father even told reporters when they rung the police etc...
the parents of the 2 boys said they were spose to be in the care of their aunty mother of the 1 boy.. the aunty has said that the boys were in the care of her eldest son... but the eldest that was spose to be looking after them were no where to be seen in the video footages | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 36 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 2:55:51 AM | | I'll wait for the Coroner who will sit in three - four months, because that will be the length of time required to carry out a comprehensive and detail report on this tragedy. Until then, my heart is with the parants, regardless of their sins or percieved sins. | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 3:27:18 AM | Im sorry but this is a open shut case... theres not much more the coroner can say... the boys were on the tracks walking toward the city.... from the time that has been reported of the hit 6:40pm.... the train had just left goonda station head outbound to ipswich left the platform at 6:39pm it was picking up speed..... the boys were between stations redbank and goodna... between those stations it is a 3mins trip from departure and arrival.... a light was out so it was dark... there would have been no chance whatso ever that the driver would have been able to stop quickly... or would have seen them as the boys were wearing dark clothes as that was viewed on the video footage...
the coroner wont be able to say why they were there... will only be able to do a report on the distance, the speed the train was going... and where they would have been on time of impact...or what they would have been doing at time of impact....
yes it is a sad thing that has happened... but it still could have been avoided.
please netab i know this stretch of track... as i have stated in above posts... walk the tracks didnt have to happen if they crossed the road. | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 38 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:00:37 AM | | I disagree with you dreamcatcher 30, secondly my daughters death, did by your definition involve neglect or negligence. All I would say in closing, is that I wish that I could see life in black and white but I only see grey these days. Goodluck | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 39 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:43:37 AM | I just looked at what I wrote and it looks both pompous and patronising - my apologies. I do appreciate and respect your views on this subject its just that I distrust the media to report facts. Secondly, the Coroner will be required to enquire into why those kids were on that line and why they were unsupervised. Finally, I have a memory of a 9-10 year old boy standing with his mates and cousins on bridge over the Broken River in Benalla waiting for the Melbourne to Sydney train come through - waiting for the train to go through the lights about 500 yards up the line, grinning at the drivers having heart attacks and then jumping. Boys are have no sense of their own mortality at this age and the fact that any of us get through to my ripe age is a miracle againts all circumstances.
Whatever our views - I think we would all agree that the world is a poorer place for the loss of these children. | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 40 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:34:44 AM | | Fair enough - I'll await the Coroners decision before I pass judgement and not on heresay, comprising edited interviews and three minute media grabs. | |
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netab
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Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 41 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 7:00:46 AM | | Don't assume that I'm going to blame anyone but obviously it makes you feel better. | |
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