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| | What do you girls think about guys with guns?Page 25 of 28 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28) | Meaning no disrespect to outofthedessert, while I appreciate the history lesson, I would still like to note some things.
First, with regard to her post, while I undestand the reasoning, of what happened in England. It still relates to a scant few years, past our revolution. So even using that, it is still 200 years ago. I heartily agree, 200 years ago men needed to be armed, to the teeth. However we are not arguing breech loaders or muskets, we're talking 15 shot automatic glocks and AK 47's. BIG DIFFERENCE. One shot versus 15 or maybe even 50 with an extended banana clip.
I understand our constitution, your right to bear arms. I don't understand companies dumping as many as they can on the market. You have to admit, 240 million guns, in the hands of say 40% of the population, say 120 million people. Now of those, how many have ONE gun, therefore others have 4 or 6 or 10. Why would someone need 10 guns or even 2?
Years ago it was said, more efficient engine design could have produced, 40 or 50 miles to the gallon. Some of those designs were thwarted by large oil companies. Is there a difference with the gun companies? How about those 2 guys(criminals) in LA who tried to shoot their way out of that bank? That they could access that kind of firepower, demonstrates the rampant disregard to reasonable limits. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/22/2010 5:20:14 PM | Now of those, how many have ONE gun, therefore others have 4 or 6 or 10. Why would someone need 10 guns or even 2?
Are you suggesting that collecting firearms should be outlawed?
Reducing the number of firearms people can own is not likely to have any effect on homicide rates. As a rule, areas in the US with the highest number of firearms per capita tend to be the places with the lowest homicide rates. People in rural areas have significantly higher rates of gun ownership than urban areas.
If you want to do something effective about the homicide rate, you need to understand the demographics of the perpetrators and the victims. Homicide rates are twice as high in urban areas than in rural areas. About 75% of victims are male, 25% female. 67% of homicide victims are under the age of 34, 76% of perpetrators are under the age of 34.
Close to half of the homicides in the US occur in just five states: California, New York, Texas, Illinois, and Michigan. Michigan is an interesting study. More than half of the state's homicides take place in the city of Detroit. Detroit police estimate that 70% of the city's homicides are drug related.
Race and class are also factors. Nationally, about 50% of homicide victims are white and 46% are black. In New York City, the demographics are particularly skewed- 60% of victims are black, 27% Hispanic, 8% white, and 4% Asian. People who live below the poverty level are over represented among both perpetrators and victims.
It's also interesting to note that 70% of homicides occur at night.
So that I don't go completely off topic, the data suggests that women have little to fear from guys with guns. It's young men that should fear them. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/22/2010 6:23:58 PM |
As a rule, areas in the US with the highest number of firearms per capita tend to be the places with the lowest homicide rates. People in rural areas have significantly higher rates of gun ownership than urban areas.
That isn't comparing like with like, though: rural and small-town settings obviously have very different social profiles to cities, which is why nonmetropolitan counties contribute only a thousand homicides a year. I assume too that the figures relate only to licensed owners, but do you have any data comparing gun ownership and killings in cities only? I haven't managed to find any, and I'd be interested.
There is though an even more broadly-based comparison available: US (2007), 301 million people, 14,800 murders, 10,000 of them involving guns; Western Europe's five biggest killers (UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain), 310m people, 3,700 murders in all, gun-related or otherwise. I really don't see how it can be argued that widespread gun ownership contributes to safety: we're living through the experiment, and what evidence there is seems to point strongly the other way. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 6:39:48 PM | That isn't comparing like with like, though: rural and small-town settings obviously have very different social profiles to cities, which is why nonmetropolitan counties contribute only a thousand homicides a year. I assume too that the figures relate only to licensed owners, but do you have any data comparing gun ownership and killings in cities only? I haven't managed to find any, and I'd be interested.
There is though an even more broadly-based comparison available: US (2007), 301 million people, 14,800 murders, 10,000 of them involving guns; Western Europe's five biggest killers (UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain), 310m people, 3,700 murders in all, gun-related or otherwise. I really don't see how it can be argued that widespread gun ownership contributes to safety: we're living through the experiment, and what evidence there is seems to point strongly the other way.
I don't think I said comparing rural to urban was comparing like to like. I just stated a fact. If you want to do something about gun homicide in the US, the solution has to focus on the inner city of large population centers. Taking guns away from farmers won't do didley.
I might also suggest that there is a huge cultural difference between Europe and the US, and comparing these figures is not comparing like to like. Unless, of course, you have an agenda you're trying to push... | |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 7:22:01 PM |
I don't think I said comparing rural to urban was comparing like to like. I just stated a fact. If you want to do something about gun homicide in the US, the solution has to focus on the inner city of large population centers. Taking guns away from farmers won't do didley. Well of course the problem's mostly in large population centres. But how do their rates of gun ownership correlate to homicide? That'd be useful to know.
I might also suggest that there is a huge cultural difference between Europe and the US, and comparing these figures is not comparing like to like. Unless, of course, you have an agenda you're trying to push... There are obvious cultural as well as social, economic and political differences, but given the similarities in development, urbanisation etc I just can't see enough to explain a 4:1 discrepancy in murder rates, beyond widely differing gun laws (and note that it's only gun slayings that diverge so widely and make up almost the entire difference; without those we're not so radically different when it comes to killing our neighbours). My agenda's to not have 14,800 Americans murdered each year: I really don't have another one here. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 7:28:09 PM | Dave- There is much more to it than gun laws. In fact, the places where the big gun shootings have happened in America are generally in places that restrict guns anyway - like schools. so your argument is hogwash.
It has a lot more to do with the higher levels of poverty in places like Detroit, compton, Camden, New york, etc. I doubt even the worst places in the UK are as bad as Detroit. In fact, I had an Irish roommate who said the worst was Edinburgh and even that he said was no where as bad as Detroit. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 7:58:24 PM |
Dave- There is much more to it than gun laws. In fact, the places where the big gun shootings have happened in America are generally in places that restrict guns anyway - like schools. so your argument is hogwash Well of course people who want to kill are going to head for where their victims won't have guns - Duh! But the problem here isn't the victims being unarmed, it's their killer possessing a small arsenal in the first place.
It has a lot more to do with the higher levels of poverty in places like Detroit, Compton, Camden, New York, etc. I doubt even the worst places in the UK are as bad as Detroit. In fact, I had an Irish roommate who said the worst was Edinburgh and even that he said was no where as bad as Detroit. Edinburgh?? That's a laugh! He needed to get out more! No, we don't have places quite as wretched as some US inner-city areas, but that's a good reason not to have lax gun laws. And we do have sinks of extreme poverty, but they aren't anywhere near as deadly even allowing for differing income & demographics. Why? They're not awash with guns. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 8:03:52 PM |
Well of course people who want to kill are going to head for where their victims won't have guns - Duh! But the problem here isn't the victims being unarmed, it's their killer possessing a small arsenal in the first place.
Oh really? Then how come there are never shootings at gun shows? there are a ton of people there with arsenals. I live in a part of Colorado that has the highest percentage of concealed carry permits in the state, and we also have the lowest crime rate. A criminal is not going to want to bust into the house of someone with a shotgun. You said it yourself, they go to where they know their victims aren't going to be armed. If you ban guns, the criminals will still keep them, cause they don't care about the law anyway, and you'll still be able to buy them on the black market. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/22/2010 9:30:17 PM |
Then how come there are never shootings at gun shows?... A criminal is not going to want to bust into the house of someone with a shotgun. You said it yourself, they go to where they know their victims aren't going to be armed So it's OK for other people to be shot, just send the killers elsewhere? Gun-free places are quite safe from shootings so long as there aren't people with guns. You've tens of millions of gun-owners: you've also four times the murder rate of comparable countries that haven't: it just doesn't work. Guns aren't the solution, guns are the problem.
If you ban guns, the criminals will still keep them, cause they don't care about the law anyway, and you'll still be able to buy them on the black market. That's like saying if you ban murder it'll only go underground. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/23/2010 9:58:47 AM | I thought the original question here was what do you girls think
about guys with guns.
Having a gun isn't a "god given right" (I'm sorry...it makes me
snicker to even say that) ...it's a right given to us by men via
the constitution.
I don't have a problem with people owning guns.
I've never in all my years had to defend my home or myself
from knives or guns...nor have I ever felt unsafe in my environment.
I think if I did...I would probably move.
With that said, I just don't see the need for toting guns around.
I know people with collections...and they're just that.
I don't think I would be comfortable with someone that felt the
need to have guns to feel safe.
But that's just me.
The debate about guns is always interesting though...it's one topic
about which there seems to be no middle ground. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/23/2010 2:48:01 PM |
I've never in all my years had to defend my home or myself
from knives or guns...nor have I ever felt unsafe in my environment.
I think if I did...I would probably move.
Expensive mansions have security gates, cameras and staff. The houses/land are normally located with like type homes worth upward toward a million and on. Why do you think they are armed? Not because they live in a sleezy or unsafe neighborhood. Criminals will go where they can ply their trade.
You can live is a bad neighborhood and deal with crime or live in a mansion. Remember the Sharon Tate murders? I believe she lived in a safe hi-dollar home. There are some places that are less safe but you have no guarantee of safety. Other places are more prone to crime.
I will keep my guns thank you. I have mine and I have the one that belonged to my mother. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 4:39:52 PM | Interesting dialogue so far. Some I agree with, some I don't. I've been a firearms owner and shooter for years. It's a hobby that I enjoy. It's also something that has the potential to keep me and my family safe if ever necessary.
Is gun ownership a god-given right? No, but it is a right which my nation has given me. My country, province and city say that it is ok for me to own firearms. I realize there are certain individuals who have a problem with this. My attitude towards them is very simple; too bad. I think it takes an enormous ego to say to dictate to another private citizen what they "need". I don't see why a firearms owner should have to justify themselves to anyone more than anyone who likes to collect shoes, muscle cars, bottles of wine or tools.
If guns kills people then mine must be defective. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/23/2010 5:56:09 PM | Dave878 you mentioned:
Guns aren't the solution, guns are the problem. which is close to the mark, but a little off.
Guns aren't the solution, Ignorance about guns is the problem.
--- There, fixed that for you.
That is like saying if you ban murder, it'll only go underground
Point of fact - most countries HAVE banned murder. And last I checked, I couldn't go down to the supermarket and purchase a hit-man, or a kill contract. (Well, maybe in Detroit now-a-days, but that is a different subject) Those sorts of things are still readily available, IF you know the right people, and have the right money. But yes..it is very much "underground" If you believe otherwise, please go down to the local constabulary office of your choice, and announce you are going to kill someone. I am sure they will be happy to 'assist' you. Sorry, that quote is one of the absolute dumbest things I have read in this thread.
Like others, I believe firmly in the right to own and freely carry firearms. I can stretch a point to law enforcement needs in requiring a concealed carry permit on a 'shall issue' basis, and banning felons from even being around firearms of any type. Does that mean I am (as some say) "armed to the teeth" with weapons - actually the contrary no. But if I wanted to own 20 or 40, then I should be able to do so freely. If you wish to own zero, or not have them on your property, I believe you have that right as well.
Now, let me ask the anti-gun crowd this: If a person breaks into my home in the middle of the night, do you expect me to negotiate with him/her? Now, in this case, I will not be pulling out a firearm - instead, I would use the 2.5ft oak baton I have in the bedroom for the purpose. In a dark, confined space that chunk of oak is capable of just as much damage as a bullet. Arguably more so, if wielded properly. Does that mean I am an oak-nut? Should that be banned as well? Because I might hurt someone with it? Or again, do you expect me to "just talk" to the person? Please try it sometime - let me know how it works out for you.
Seriously - and I have asked this from many an anti-gun zealot -- when truly bad people, those that honestly would just hurt you for fun, threaten your well-being, and quite possibly your very life -- If I am standing there as an armed citizen, what choice would you like? Please make your choice in 5 seconds or less.
1)Talk your way out of it, hope for the best.
2)Wait for police to show up, hope they get there before you are seriously injured or dead.
3)Have me utilize the skill and training I have worked on, and end it before you get hurt.
For those that pick 1) = Please go to the nearest Max Security prison, see if you think it will work after spending a day around them.
For those that pick 2) = No disrespect to the sworn-officers intended, you are just too few, and cannot be everywhere every time.
For those that pick 3) = Don't worry - this won't hurt you a bit. | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/23/2010 7:16:35 PM |
Guns aren't the solution, guns are the problem.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Reworded:
Guns don't kill people without someone to pull the trigger.
A bit of a slant on a remark about no killings at a gun show. There are hundreds of guns there and not one person dies.........simple, the attitude of those in attendance. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 8:14:50 PM | Not interested.
I don't like hunters or hunting, which is the only good reason for someone to be holding a gun in a photo. If they are just randomly posing with weaponry, that would be a warning sign to me and I would probably not respond. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 7:34:56 AM | I've never in all my years had to defend my home or myself
from knives or guns...nor have I ever felt unsafe in my environment.
I think if I did...I would probably move.
Not sure what my original post has to do with expensive mansions and
security gates and cameras. I'm almost 58 years old and I've lived this
long without guns and I stand by my post.
Didn't say anyone shouldn't have a gun. Just said I've never needed one
to feel safe and I feel a bit sorry for those that do.
and HELLOOoOoOoOOooO!
The OP is NOT about whether or not we have the right to have guns,
because of course in this country we do. The question is WHAT DO YOU
GIRLS THINK ABOUT GUYS W ITH GUNS.
and my answer is...I see no problem with having them. Just don't see the
need to tote them around and would not feel comfortable around someone
that felt he needed them to feel safe.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:07:10 AM |
Just don't see the
need to tote them around and would not feel comfortable around someone
that felt he needed them to feel safe.
That's because you live in a sheltered world that men with guns created for you. Where I live we have bears and mountain lions. You'd want a gun if one of them decided to try to eat you. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:31:53 AM |
Seriously - and I have asked this from many an anti-gun zealot -- when truly bad people, those that honestly would just hurt you for fun, threaten your well-being, and quite possibly your very life -- If I am standing there as an armed citizen, what choice would you like? Please make your choice in 5 seconds or less.
I'd rather not have armed citizens, then I'd be less likely to be blown away by a truly bad person with a gun bought or stolen from one of those armed citizens or the dealers who supply them. There are truly bad people here too: I prefer knowing that they're extremely unlikely to have a gun and that if they do have such a mercifully rare item then I'm not likely to be their preferred target.
Would I rather live in western Europe with its stricter gun controls and a 12 per million homicide rate or the US with these armed civilians supposedly ready to protect me (or shoot me if that's on their mind) and 49 murders per million? Europe for me, thanks. Your guns don't make you safer, they just mean more guns.
Now as others have pointed out, the question is "What do you girls think about guys with guns?" and as a non-girl I'd rather stay out of it, and I think other guys should do likewise: start a "What do guys think of girls with guns?" thread if you like.  | |
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| What do you girls think about guys with guns?
Posted: 3/24/2010 2:35:53 PM |
I've seen a few guys profiles, where they are holding guns?
Is this something girls are attracted to?
If I saw a girl holding a knife or something, I don't know about you, but I don't think I would e-mail her heh.
You've got a lot of time on your hands!!! | |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 2:44:04 PM | dave,
European governments have a whole different mindset than the US. Though democratically elected, most of those government claim(and exercise) most of the powers claimed by their former monarchs. The State controls the citizen far more, and in far more ways than would be tolerated in the US.
Maybe danger is part of the price of freedom.
Me, I like girls with guns. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 3:16:01 PM |
I've never in all my years had to defend my home or myself
from knives or guns...nor have I ever felt unsafe in my environment.
I think if I did...I would probably move. Not sure what my original post has to do with expensive mansions and security gates and cameras. I'm almost 58 years old and I've lived this long without guns and I stand by my post.
The point is you can be unsafe in a ghetto or a multimillion home. You can not insure your safety by where you live. The statement was 'if I felt unsafe, I would move'. My point was you can be unsafe regardless of where you live. You may not feel unsafe where you live, but that does not insure that you will always be safe.
I live in a safe neighborhood but that does not insure my safety, it just lessens my danger factor. I stand by my statement. I will own a gun to lessen the danger, I don't think it insures my safety. If a man can't handle it..... | |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:34:48 PM | "Guns don't kill people without someone to pull the trigger."
Hmmmmmm, yes I would agree with that. Well let's see what the news has to say about things!
Well first off, we have an event on 4/19, "an open carry event", near Washington DC, or as near as they can in Virginia. Interesting these law abiding folks aren't happy with the health care legislation, so they are going to try and intimidate some folks in DC.
Now would this be like one of the gun shows, you guys are talking about?
Or how about the threats against members of congress? Maybe some of those folks, who know gun safety will oblige the call to arms, and off somebody. Don't forget, 4/19 is the anniversary of Oklahoma City. Also don't forget, most of the assiniations in the 60's happened with guns, some legal some not.
Yes, we'll see if "someone to pull the trigger", will fit the scenario.
Oh yeah, I forgot, yeah what do girls think about guys with guns anyway? | |
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