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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 3:35:43 PM | "from now on you're not allowed to use logic in your arguments."
Ah, but if I do not use logic in my arguments, then I will be arguing like a right-wing person, and therefore my posts will not be true to myself, and I may as well not post anything.
I kid, I kid. Some of the most de-humanized, passion-free, purely 'logical,' 'reason' based, and, frankly, stupidest arguments I have ever heard have come from obnoxiously right-wing people. (Note: I am not calling all right-wing people obnoxious. You can at least argue with more moderate right-wing people, and they seem to be much more open to actual, valuable discussion. It is the likes of Pat Robertson, Bill O'Reilly, and Jerry Falwell (and many of their followers) who are obnoxious, and won't even listen to your side of an argument, but just try to put it down and debunk it with the same tired methods. In some cases shouting over their opponent to the degree that the opponent can't get an audible word in, and when you catch a word here or there, you realize that they are disputing (quite believably) everything that the obnoxious one is saying. A debate where the only way that you have to debase someone's argument is to drown them out does not seem to be much of a tactic to me. Or anything where the only method you have to argue your case is to put down the opposition, and to try and silence them. The conservatives did this quite a bit in the last Canadian federal election (I mean locally. Quite frankly, all the major party leaders, including my beloved Jack Layton, were frequenly obnoxious in the way they argued their cases in the debates. I don't agree with putting someone else down as a means of promoting oneself. Now, pointing out facts which the viewing public may not be aware of is something different. Locally, the Conservative candidate was terrible at the all candidate's debate, out-and-out lied about things that his campaign would do (and I saw evidence of that with my own eyes, specifically putting up elections signs when and where he said that he would not put them up), and generally ran a poor campaign. And the stupid Burlington population bought it and elected the guy).
Anyway, I go on tangents easily.
I was thinking a little more about my last post. Yes, universities teach facts, but the ultimate goal of a proper university education, as far as I can tell based on my own experience, is to teach a student how to learn, and to teach a student to question what others tell them. You may term that "cynical" if you wish, but I would say that thoughtful, educated critical assessment is the ultimate goal of a university education. This is done by teaching facts, as well as theories and opinions. But a university education should teach you to question everything, and you should learn how to acquire information, and how to filter out incorrect or poorly-considered information. Call this "liberal," if you like, but I would consider it to be critical free-thought, which is something that everyone should posess, and which is not inherently politicized; not inherently part of either "wing." It is something that all humans should posess. If you would rather sit back and accept everything that you are told, then that is fine.
But no matter how long you spent in university, if you do that, then I don't think you got much of an education. For instance, as much as I am a Social Democrat, and as much as the NDP represents my views better than any other party, I am critical of things that it does, and I question things that they support. Same thing with Canada. I am quite patriotic (I don't think that I would be able to count the number of Canadian flags in my room), but there are many things done in Canada (by the government and by the society), and if I disagree with them, then I will say so (or at least think so). The point of an education is to be able to think for yourself, and not accept everything that someone tells you. And I get just as pissed off when I see a left-wing person unquestioningly accepting what they are told as when I see a right-wing person doing it. But I get truly pissed off when this thing, that should be universal, should be as objective and unbiased as humans can possibly be (okay, humans can't really be biased, even within the hard sciences, but they can at least try and overcome their biases), should be truly balanced, and should be appreciated and followed by everyone, regardless of political stance, is called "liberal" and bashed for being "left-wing." If you think that being balanced is favouring your side of the argumentm, then you are wrong. If you think that being open-minded and critical favours one side or the other, then you are wrong.
Note: In the above diatribe, "you" is not meant to refer to any specific person, but is used in general terms. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 4:23:10 PM | | Pat Robertson is a schmuck but I happen to agree with him on this (at least inasmuch as he's calling academia a vile thing) I wouldn't go so far to call them murderers or any of that nonsense but they could be described as a murderer's best friend since they teach the absolution of murderers of their crimes since nobody is ever personally responsible for anything they do according to academia. Academia IS ruled by left-wing nutjobs and they're happy to inculcate their students with as much of their own nonsense as Robertson is happy to preach his. They have made colleges and universities into the most intolerant and narrow places in the western world. The difference between Robertson and your average university isn't just what they're preaching, it's the basis for it. Robertson's religion is Christianity ; academia's religion is political correctness. I personally have little time for either but they can both preach as much as they want either way. I just don't have to listen to any of it thankfully. I will comment on it though. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 4:35:19 PM | Well, I think we can all agree that Pat Robertson is a nutjob.
Warms my heart to see this kind of solidarity on POF.
As far as liberal Academics....as far as I'm concerned...college is a place for critical thinking. What some might call liberal, others might call informed...and vice a versa. You should always question and challenge what is being fed you...especially if it's by professors. That's what college is for.
College campuses are the place where intellectual discourse is supposed to rule the day. There was a lot of hulabaloo about University of Colorado Professor Ward Churchill's comments which made reference to "little Eichmann's", but for the most part, I only heard a lot of labeling and namecalling and no one who could actually challenge or disclaim the substance of his essay.
Conservatives can't stand to see even one Liberal teaching so who cares about their delusional paranoia.
If there is one place in the whole world where freedom of speech is protected and where the free exchange of ideas is valued it should be in American College Campuses. And POF forums. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 4:47:34 PM | Rgraham,
You don't have to worry about being enslaved. I am pretty sure Texas outlawed slavery in 1999 right before Dubya became Governor. Some are trying to bring it back but I don't think it will pass. The Mexicans like the Canadians are pretty certain to resist being enslaved. I have to get back to the plantation now. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 4:48:19 PM | Critical thinking ? Okay, well, here's a prime example of the kind of "critical thinking" I'm referring to :
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022206G
That's the one where the dean at Harvard was basically blackballed and forced to resign for stating that real science didn't agree with the politically correct version of itself.
For a broader statement on the issue of "liberal" intolerance in post secondary institutions , go here :
http://townhall.com/opinion/columns/thomassowell/2006/02/23/187525.html
And as far as Churchill goes his views by themselves weren't particularly novel. What made them so intolerable was the fact that he blamed the people in the WTC for the loss of their own lives. Imagine somebody shoots your mom and then blames her for it...still find that so palatable ? I wouldn't. Apart from that, Churchill also claimed to be a Native American. As soon as he comes up with anything but a denial from the nation he claims to be a part of, we'll consider it a valid claim. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 4:53:39 PM |
I wouldn't go so far to call them murderers or any of that nonsense but they could be described as a murderer's best friend
If academia is ruled by left wing nutjobs..then that would be true for Pat robertsons university also...or for that reason, Oral Roberts or even Jerry Farwells Liberty University..
Not to mention Farwell accusing a childs television program of homosexual themes, because a character was purple.
No I don't agree that education is monopolized, by "nutjobs"....
What a person gets out of an education, is determined by his ability and want to learn and understand...and in doing that allowing themself to keep and maintain, an open mind with a balance and exchange of ideas and thoughts.
You chose to believe what you want to believe, that is why we all have been given the thought process.
As a student you should challenge and question things...not just accept and follow the fold. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 5:10:30 PM | As to your first question :
yes, I would probably categorize the institutions you mention as seriously biased by right wing nutjobs to the point of being centers of miseducation. I would doubt they teach much in the way of evolution at those places for example.
As for the second part : Mixed response. No, I wouldn't say that all university professors are nutjobs. In fact, I didn't say that. What I said is that they are ruled by left-wing nutjobs. There is a difference.
Yes, we should question what we are taught when we believe it's relevant to do so. However, if somebody is teaching you something, you simply assume that they are in a position to do so in the first place because they know what they are talking about. A good example of a course dedicated to the disemination of misinformation would be your average women's studies program. They claim to teach many things relevant to women and this is true but what they also do is sprinkle in the revised history theories, a healthy dose of subtle misandry ("you'll be raped on campus !" [check the statistics...they're the safest places in America]) and plenty of other little snippets for the miseducation of the ladies in the courses. What they do and what the engineering professor do are two greatly different things. One teaches their own view of the world while the other does his or her best to explain the math and physics behind the human world. Unfortunately, it's the professor of the former course that tends to be on the board of directors at the institution they teach at.
Having said all that, to get back to the point, maybe we should question things but what university student has the time or inclination to challenge a professor on a matter he or she as a student , knows nothing about ? If I claim to be an expert on law and also happen to be lawyer, what inoccuous piece of information should my clients see as a red flag to determine whether I am worth the retainer ? If they knew enough about the law in the first place, chances are they wouldn't need me to educate them in it. I'm sure you see the dilemma : students are by definition, learning from an educator. They won't think to question anything that doesn't strike them immediately as improbably or contrary to what they already know. If I tell you that the Earth is flat and you've been living in a cave up until recently, why would you think to question the information ? You would naturally assume that I knew it was the case because you've been getting your light at night from a fire pit while I've been enjoying the wonder of electricity coupled with the invention of the lightbulb. Likewise, if I tell you as an aside that there is a small group of people in South America somewhere that have prehensile tails and I'm your anthropology professor, you're probably going to just take my word for it. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 5:27:22 PM | | Well said regarding mess. 22 on mr. smartypants: IF I had paid for a liberal christian God hating evolved from an animal point of view, than that would be fine. But since I didn't, All students need to be protected from people that ABUSE THEIR AUTHORITY AS PROFESSORS AND TEACHERS and use the belittle tactics against christian God worshiping students. TOLERANCE IS THE KEY. Leading by example is the greatest tool any human can use to draw others to themselves. Like Ghandi did. In a peaceful manner. America was founded on the christian God Jesus Christ. But worshipping only the christian God Jesus Christ was not made an obsolete requirement in order for persons to live in America. God bless America...Freedom of religion. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 5:58:47 PM | Although non-religious myself, I entirely support freedom of religion. So we are agreed there.
But since freedom of religion does not automatically mean that religion is correct, or that all religious views should be taught out of context, I must disagree with your views on evolution and such. If you disagree with evolution, then don't take a class that talks about it (and every class gets a syllabus at the beginning which highlights everything that will be covered, so you know from the first class whether or not a certain thing will be covered, and you can choose to drop it then and there). We take evolution as a fact. End of story. It is a scientific theory (and a scientific theory is not the same as the common usage of the word "theory." A scientific theory is a model for explaining a given phenomenon, and that model has been demonstrated to be true. In other words, a scientific theory is most likely correct. If there is no doubt about it's correctness, it becomes a scientific law, but even gravity isn't a law, so it takes a lot to make a law).
What I am getting at, is that since humans evoloved from animals, and since a university is supposed to teach facts as they are currently accepted by the academic world at large, don't complain about it. If you don't like evolution, then don't take anthropology or biology. Also, I want to comment on your idea that professors are god hating. God has nothing to do with most university teaching (at least in the sciences). I'm sure that many professors are religious themselves, and religion and evolution are not mutually exclusive. God has nothing to do with this. We look at and describe phenomena that we see in the everyday world. Deities are not a part of everyday phenomena. Debating whether they exist or not is the job of theologians, philosophers, etc. (and there are plenty of them in universities, too. Priests/reverends/whatever are university-educated, too, remember). Deities do not and should not factor into scientific discussion. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 6:06:48 PM |
IF I had paid for a liberal christian God hating evolved from an animal point of view
Science?
Science doesn't hate any Gods, science doesn't concern itself with the theological, ....at all.
Science is a different frame of reference than "faith" entirely.
If a person goes to a trade school, and studies auto mechanics, there is no God in auto mechanics either.
IMO, Pat Robertson is more dangerous than any third world religious fanatic.
He advocated the same things ie: assassination of a foreign head of state, blame natural disasters, and the suffering and deaths of innocent people on religious differences....?
He's cut from the same cloth as the fanatical Mullahs, ....the cloth just LOOKS different on the outside (Brooks Brothers maybe), but a religious nutcase is a religious nutcase...... | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 6:06:55 PM | gotapulse,
Larry Summers inferred that Men are better at science than Women because of innate differences and not because of socialization. If he has the data, he should present it, but I don't believe that it exists.
This is coming from a guy who is trying to explain why there aren't more women in science? This is a guy who had previously taken heat because female faculty fell under his tenure...and he tries to explain it by saying it's because women are not as good at science as men are because they're born that way?
Critical thinking implies that you can back up your argument. Larry Summers offered as proof that he gave his daughter two trucks and she referred to them as the mommy truck and the daddy truck.
Last year, only 4 of 32 tenured positions were offered to women. It's obvious that the reason there aren't more women in science on the Harvard faculty is because of Larry Summers.
What kind of message is he sending to his female science students? Have babies and leave the science jobs to men?
That's why he got the boot. If that's your excuse for Liberal PCness running rampant....well, I think you made my point. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 6:08:41 PM |
However, if somebody is teaching you something, you simply assume that they are in a position to do so in the first place because they know what they are talking about.
Somewhat true...but if you go to a doctor...you also assume he is well versed on what he is saying because of his position...but you can also get a second opinion, if you don't agree or what to make sure they are making a correct judgment.
Dahliakitten ..here is what you said earlier:
When I attended a community college back in the 1970's, and I was harrassed for stating that I believed in God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and man did not evolve from an animal, a monkey. I was tricked by the professor into stating who and what I belived
Now you say this:
IF I had paid for a liberal christian God hating evolved from an animal point of view, than that would be fine. But since I didn't
So which one is it??
Also
All students need to be protected from people that ABUSE THEIR AUTHORITY AS PROFESSORS AND TEACHERS and use the belittle tactics against christian God worshiping students.
It was a court of the United States of America...that ruled the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is unconstitutional and is an "endorsement of religion" because of the 1954 addition of the phrase "under God", so who do you propose"Protect the people"?
Please don't tell me you are one of the people, who believe if a person doesn't believe in your ideas and relgion is doomed to hell.
Guess we are reading different bibles in that case. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 6:16:16 PM | By the way.....did you know Pat Robertson got in trouble for diverting charity money to his diamond mines in Africa?
He used his TV Show to raise money for his charity, Operation Blessing (you may have heard of it). He told his followers that he needed the money so to fly aid to refugees of the Rwandan Genocide. The Attorney General of the State of Virginia (where Operation Blessings is incorporated) found out that almost all the money collected was used to fly Mining Machinery to African Diamond Mines that Pat Robertson owns a major interest in (thanks to his close relationships with African Dictators.)
When Robertson got wind of this...he immediately paid taxes on the collected money so as not to get fined by Virginia.
Operation Blessing was originally pushed as one of three Katrina charities to give to, but some remembered the Rwanda incident and complained. Operation Blessing was immediately removed from the donation list.
His religion is Money and Diamonds. He takes money from well meaning Christians and uses it to exploit Africans so they can dig up diamonds for him. Creepy huh?
What would Jesus do? | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 6:40:46 PM | Erik,
He didn't say that women were stupid or that they were incapable. As well, he DID have the study (that's why he made the comment in the first place) If science points that maybe, just maybe there is a difference between mens' and womens' aptitudes (generally speaking) in certain subjects then what exactly is wrong with saying so ? What Sommers said is no different than pointing out that there are no women playing right now for any major sports franchise in North America. Is it wrong to say something like "Men are generally bigger and stronger so perhaps that's why they dominate professional sports." ? If so, why is it wrong to say that ? It's simply the (extremely obvious) truth . Mr. Sommers made a comment very much like that. He didn't say that men are smarter than women or better at anything. He said that (if the study he cited had any merit to it) it would lend credibility to the idea that perhaps men generally have a natural edge over women in certain fields and this would explain why women are not as well represented in them. There's nothing wrong with this statement in the slightest.
Here , in fact, is the full text of Larry Summers' comments. He's hardly the sexist beast so many have painted him as.
http://www.president.harvard.edu/speeches/2005/nber.html
Cougar,
One of the differences between a doctor and a university professor is that another doctor is probably just down the street. You can also sue your doctor for malpractice if he screws up bad enough. You missed the point even though you acknowledged it though : your doctor isn't educating you to become another doctor. Your doctor is diagnosing you to the best of his or her ability. Getting a second opinion is wise , sure, but first you have to believe you need one.
Thorondor,
Whose views on evolution ? What point are you disagreeing with me on if you were addressing me ? I happen to believe in evolution myself and made no statement in opposition to this. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:18:50 PM | No, I was responding to Dahliakitten's post, as well as to the general perception which evolution seems to receive amongst so many fundamentalist groups these days (particularly with regards to high school science).
As far as that debate goes (I'm on another tangent here), I think that creationism should be taught in public schools. Creationsism of the Judeo-Christian belief, of the Hindu, of the Australian Aborigine, of the ancient Egyptians, and of any other applicable faith. But they should not be taught as part of a science class. They should be taught as part of a world religions class, which I think should be taught in all high schools, as learning about societies and cultures apart from one's own is very valuable (although many of my fellow atheists would disagree. But I don't agree with many atheists on many points, either. Part of my critical thinking). As the one poster above said in a much more concise manner than I did, 'science and religion are two entirely different things, and should not be taught together. Scienc, as with auto mechanics, doesn't have anything to do with religion.' (Okay, that was a paraphrase, but more or less what he had said.) | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:28:53 PM | | ^In a pluralistic society, teaching all theories of creation seems impractical. That's what churches, temples, mosques, and synagogues are for IMO. Frankly, I don't think religion has any place in the education system apart from tolerating the students' religious dispositions. That simply means that if a student wants to pray to Allah at a certain time each day or recite the lord's prayer before class then that's fine. It doesn't mean hanging the Star of David above the blackboard or (as has been the case here in Canada) allowing children to carry around "ceremonial" daggers (as though it isn't a strong, tapered, metal object with a handle anymore...kinda like a dagger) | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:29:02 PM | One of the differences between a doctor and a university professor is that another doctor is probably just down the street. You can also sue your doctor for malpractice if he screws up bad enough. You missed the point even though you acknowledged it though : your doctor isn't educating you to become another doctor. Your doctor is diagnosing you to the best of his or her ability. Getting a second opinion is wise , sure, but first you have to believe you need one.
No I haven't missed the point...when I was in college and had a professor/T.A., with whom I did not agree with, I questioned them
And if I did not get an answer,or rhetoric....I dropped the class as simple as that.
If you want to sit somewhere, and are afraid or just plain complacent to question or challenge....then maybe you do need to go, where people will tell you what to think, and what to do.
See I was taught..people walking on this planet are mortals, and what separates us are those who admit making a mistake, and those who lay blame on others. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:46:14 PM | I think we're going in circles here : what I'm saying is that before you question something you have to suspect something is amiss. If you don't know how to count and somebody tells you that two plus two equals 22 then you're probably going to just go with that until you actually figure out that no, that's not how it works. Likewise, if your engineering professor is giving you lectures on the history of bridge building and tells you that the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapsed because of compounded vibration, why would you even think to question the information ? If the same person told you that it collapsed because somebody called it a mean name, THEN you're probably going to question the information. That's the point though ; you don't know anything they don't tell you in the first place. Only later or with prior knowledge that contradicts any statement your professor makes will it even dawn on you to question a statement . No student has the time and no reasonable person has the energy to question absolutely everything that is thrown at them. Especially if , upon investigation, it turns out that the information was correct in the first place as that makes it tedious and wasteful of time to research these things. It's not the inoccuous tidbits that people will question : it's the stuff that doesn't square with what one already knows. Unfortunately, once a person accepts a basic premise, the proceeding information related to it is unlikely to perk up any ears unless it is ludicrous sounding.
So again, unless somebody knows something different, they are not there to question their educators but to soak up as much information as possible. I wouldn't pay for a class taught by somebody who knows less about a subject than I do ; I attend classes to learn about things I know nothing about. If, by chance, I do know something about the subject and it contradicts what the professor is saying then sure, I'll ask some questions and do the research. Until that happens though, I, like the vast majority of students in university classes, will simply accept what I'm taught as the truth unless something about it runs counter to what I already know. I'm not going to waste my time and money and the time and money of both my fellow students and the professor by challenging the professor every time he or she makes a statement. It's not complacent nor does it have anything to do with fear...it's how you're supposed to learn. It's called listening actually. On a side note, it's called not being a pain in the ass as well. If I don't like what the professor has to say then sure, I'll drop the class but if he or she is in error about everything then maybe I should be teaching the class. Not to mention that it begs the question as to why I'm taking a class I already know everything about. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:51:33 PM | It was an idiotic speech. He said the data is all over the map. He didn't provide any conclusive evidence.
He is someone who has the power to improve the numbered of tenured female faculty at Harvard. It's in his ability to even hold the number flat. Instead it has fallen greatly under him.
If the guy believes that women are intellectually inferior, then it's no suprise that women faculty has been reduced during his tenure.
I guess we should use that logic to consider why women make less in the marketplace. Perhaps blacks and latinos are underrepresented at Harvard? Is it because they are intellectually inferior? Are Asians intellectually superior.
It's silly to suggest such things without clear data. It's even dumber to use these as excuses for your own poor record. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 7:57:07 PM | Reading Pat Robertson's take on the state of America, and his anger towards this imminent
change is heartening. I know now that there is hope and that there is no place for him. He is
yesterday's news and the curtains are closing on him and like minded people.
Keep preaching it Pat....you're only hurting yourself. | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 8:04:53 PM | He didn't say that that's the way things are, he said that it was a possibility. See, that's exactly the narrowness I'm talking about : no theories are allowed if we don't like them. That's exactly the kind of politically correct rhetoric that is ensuring that post-secondary institutions are exactly the opposite of centers of free thought and creative ideas. "The dean said it was possible based on some findings that perhaps this is why "x" is the way it is." And for that he's branded as a sexist and forced to vacate his position. "He couldn't prove his case !". So what ? If you see a bunch of fire trucks heading off down the street with sirens blaring and lights flashing , it seems like a reasonable thought to conclude that maybe there's a fire somewhere. Oh wait...no smoke on the horizon...well, then it's just idiotic to assume that there's a fire somewhere. 
Nope, the problem was that he didn't hold the line with the PC police. And perhaps he filled the postions you mention with the most capable people ? I realize that the most capable people aren't allowed to be white males according to PC thinking but just for a moment, imagine that you actually believe in equality and all that. If the most capable people aren't women or minorities, can they still be hired ? I realize that in a country where %80 of the population is white and half of them are male, it's preposterous to believe that there are 4 white males that might be the best suited for the jobs they apply for but assuming such a ludicrous idea was the case indeed, according to equality and all that, doesn't that mean they should be hired ? Just asking of course. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:43:57 PM | Actually, pulse I was in engineering school.....and we did watch the Tacoma narrows bridge incident.....and why is a bridge like the George Washigton bridge in New Jersey still going strong...but the majority agree it did involve resonance....In 1942 as well as today there is still a lot of debate on why it happened...
In engineering you are taught to question things...you have problem and you have to develop a solution..
Just like in calculus, you are given a theory, and you break it down from conception....two plus two equals four...but you have to explain why.
I had many professors, who strived for their class to develop their own ideas and explain, also be open to debate.
I disagree completly....a student pays money to learn, if you feel you are not getting your moneys worth complain..speak up.
Don't just sit there nod your head, if you don't believe or agree....at least that is what I was taught, where I went to school..
I mean if you have schools that tell you what to think...two plus two equals twenty two..and they expect you to accept it...sorry....but mentioning wasting other students time and money, yes that is what is happening.
Post high school education is a choice, and if you chose to accept what is taught...then you are wasting time and money.
An old saying I heard, when I started my first job...."the dumbest question, is the question not asked"... | |
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| Pat Robertson on College Professors: you know some of them are killers!
Posted: 3/22/2006 8:47:01 PM | Educated people use religious beliefs less than uneducated ones to explain natural phenomena. It's always been that way. One thousand years ago, people like Pat Robertson were telling people that witches floated...
hey... if you don't believe in the theory of evolution.. tell it to the fruit flies that got mutated in labs today... and preach it to the useless tailbones humans have... or the thumb structures on the wrists of dogs and cats...because EDUCATED PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
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