So you want a second chance? Free Dating, Singles and Personals

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Msg: 976

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 4:37:06 PM
It's truly my words, but not all of my work, as I have stated clearly from the beginning and yet you still do not seem to understand. You are making the acusations, YOU show proof where I have stolen anything from that e-zine. If you do not post any proof then you are making false acusations. You CAN post whatever exerpts you feel I have stolen as long as you credit the author (something I have done throughout this thread that you seem to conveniently ignore). Back up your acusations or quite simply put, go away. You're adding nothing positive to this thread.

Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 977

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 4:54:07 PM
Wow....so I've read all between Jarbarian and MILF and have to say that Jarbarian does seem a little defensive and kind of like with my kids (as that is what this seems to be) once you get to the bottom of things (reading all posts) it does appear that Jarbarian started with the name calling.....MILF does seem opinionated and sure of herself, but does make valid points.....but Jarbarian offers nothing to show that authored the material......working in legal, I can say that MILF is correct on the copyright infringement if she were to post the materials....... Jarbarion seems to be the one that sounds as though he is trying to convince himself that MILF is wrong.....and MILF does have a point with how he is deflecting by insisting that she is the one with deep insecurity issues........he's said nothing to convince me of his securities with his insistant bashing of MILF.....Jarbarian could have chosen to gentlemanly debate the issue ( I find it hard to believe he was a marine as I dated one and he was a true gentleman).......but instead, Jarbarian came out of the gate with shouts of apparent insecurities..... MILF I say good for you for confronting him and standing up for your principles.......if he's not guilty of copying the book, and I truly have no idea ......... let him prove it...... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I believe that is part of your US constitution....and truly think that it is sad that you have all pulled school yard bullying gang up on one girl and all jump on the MILF hatred bandwagon.......wow.....how sad that today things can't be debated without bashing..... Right or Wrong.....MILF again, good for gracefully standing up for your beliefs.....

unconventional

Joined: 9/26/2006
Msg: 978

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 5:16:35 PM
Sorry... it may not be "verbatim" but darn close...from Greg Kinnear's book (not an e-book) called "It's called a breakup because it's broken"...nice try... nice advice- BUT give credit where due.

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 979

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 5:43:17 PM
Wow....so I've read all between Jarbarian and MILF and have to say that Jarbarian does seem a little defensive and kind of like with my kids (as that is what this seems to be) once you get to the bottom of things (reading all posts) it does appear that Jarbarian started with the name calling.....MILF does seem opinionated and sure of herself, but does make valid points.....but Jarbarian offers nothing to show that authored the material......working in legal, I can say that MILF is correct on the copyright infringement if she were to post the materials....... Jarbarion seems to be the one that sounds as though he is trying to convince himself that MILF is wrong.....and MILF does have a point with how he is deflecting by insisting that she is the one with deep insecurity issues........he's said nothing to convince me of his securities with his insistant bashing of MILF.....Jarbarian could have chosen to gentlemanly debate the issue ( I find it hard to believe he was a marine as I dated one and he was a true gentleman).......but instead, Jarbarian came out of the gate with shouts of apparent insecurities..... MILF I say good for you for confronting him and standing up for your principles.......if he's not guilty of copying the book, and I truly have no idea ......... let him prove it...... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I believe that is part of your US constitution....and truly think that it is sad that you have all pulled school yard bullying gang up on one girl and all jump on the MILF hatred bandwagon.......wow.....how sad that today things can't be debated without bashing..... Right or Wrong.....MILF again, good for gracefully standing up for your beliefs..... I've stated clearly where the inspiration for the material came from. When one acuses another of being a liar, then it's up to the acuser to show proof. If I seem a bit defensive, well perhaps you'd understand if you knew that you were being called a liar when you know for a fact you are not. I would have let it die there but she insisted and then came out on the forums. Bashing me in email AND the forums. If she is so absolutely sure that I have copied material from the e-zine, she CAN post some exerpts (Not the entire thing) and give credit to the author. It's done in the newspapers and online all the time. Also, she wouldn't be making any money by posting it so there is no harm. I'm not making a red cent for what I posted and I HAVE credited the person who's inspiried my words. I'm not asking her to reproduce the entire thing, just show me one paragraph where I have written something from another author, word for word, aside from the ones I already have credited. All I ask for is the proof. If you're going to call someone a liar yet can't produce proof well, there goes your credibility. I'm not remotely worried about it because I KNOW where my inspiration came from and have mentioned it MANY TIMES. As for people ganging up on MILF, what I said to her I said privately unlike her, who chose to name call and bash in public. Can't say two wrongs make a right here, but the difference is this isn't a schoolyard and I'm not playing those games. Lastly, I'm not here to prove myself to anyone. I don't need MILF's or anyone else's approval. It's advice, take it or leave it. If it helps you, great. If not, don't sit around bashing it and falsely acusing someone of stealing information. And if you are going to do so, show the proof. She says I copied the disclaimer word for word? Fine. Prove it. Sorry... it may not be "verbatim" but darn close...from Greg Kinnear's book (not an e-book) called "It's called a breakup because it's broken"...nice try... nice advice- BUT give credit where due. Another book I have not read. And credit has been given where it was due or did you not read that? Dr. Dobson's book was written in 1983. If anything I have written sounds like it came off some e-zine or book, it's because the e-zine author has plagurized Dr. Dobson. And if it's not written verbatim, but sounds similar, it's because all basic psychology works off the same principals. I have never claimed to have a revelation or was offering something NEW. I just offered it based on what I have read and my own experiences. Accept it or not, that's the plain truth. What this boils down to is there are a lot of opinions on breaking up and winning someone back. But if you notice, my thread isn't a "How to win them back" thread, at least not in that context. It's how to fix yourself and get on with your life so that if a second chance does come, you'll be better suited to know what to do or to walk away. I've never seen so much hubbub over this. The thread is over a year old and this is the FIRST time someone has acused me of stealing copyrighted material. Give me a break. If the e-zine author thinks I have read his book or stolen his material he is welcome to check his records for any receipts from me or question me directly. I'd welcome the call. I'm willing to bet a lot of those books work on the same principals and are worded differently. In that case, they all plagurize each other. LOL Lastly, to the moderators, if you feel this thread has been plagurized, feel free to delete it. The point of the post has been lost in all the acusations, and that is to help others. And I have received a lot of questions and thanks from this thread. And every single time I point people to Dr. Dobson's book or even "No More Mr. Nice Guy" (Which I did not post any information regarding that book in this thread, but have in others). Cheers.

Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 980

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 6:31:01 PM
based on what I read, Milf did confront you openly about the forum, you respond both openly and privately, but block her as to not allow her to debate the issue with you ....what choice did you leave her as to post publicaly?......based on what I read, other than MILF challenging you on your opinion.....you were the one that started with the name calling and on the posts, not privately....tisk, tisk. Your statements may have started privately and your right this isn't a schoolyard......shame on you for acting like it is....you are defensive and if you did "hit and run" in email, than you should apologize and have allowed her to respond privately. She seemed very rational and articulate until everyone starts ganging up on her based on your slamming her on insecuriy issues etc...... you claim what harm.....why does she care....maybe the whole mistrust of men and what they place in their profiles has something to do with it.......NOBODY IS WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE ON HERE.........she seems completely sure of herself......and maybe if you debated things like a gentleman as opposed to barbarian, maybe things wouldn't have been such a bashing.....she doesn't seem to get really upset until that last few posts.... I could careless either way, your absolutely right......you don't need anyone's approval, but you seem to be trying soooo hard to get it . Best of luck to all on this one.

drg1301

Joined: 12/20/2006
Msg: 981

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/8/2007 6:32:41 PM
sunshine is right.

Joined: 9/18/2006
Msg: 982

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/8/2007 7:23:07 PM
This has gotten so ridiculously out of hand. I have not seen anywhere here on this thread where jarbarian started with the name-calling, it's been the other way around. Only in one of his later posts does he call MILF a hypocrite (understandably so). I would have to agree that MILF is not adding anything postive to this thread, (which was supposed to help people heal themselves and move on after a break-up, first and foremost - not "getting someone and keeping him"), including showing where other people's work has been posted on this thread, without it being duly credited. It would be very sad to see all the constructive discussion and learning on this thread deleted, due to one person's highjacking and flaming of the thread, and lack of effort (just plain laziness really) to see where previous work has been credited. A lot of people have benefited from this thread in particular.

LMK45

Joined: 3/27/2007
Msg: 983
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So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/8/2007 9:09:15 PM
Indrinita ... you can bet a lot of people have benefited from this thread. (cough, cough, MEEEEEEEE!!!)

Joined: 9/18/2006
Msg: 984

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/8/2007 9:12:32 PM
Me too LJMK! Milf, check out posts 42, 49, 68, and 75 (among many, many others) to confirm where work has been cited with regards to advice on this thread. There are a ton of other references to work cited (dealing with breaking up and moving on) on this thread, but I suggest you actually look for it first, before making wild accusations. I just did a little research myself and found out that Chris Carter (writer of Catch Him and Keep Him) and Mark Matthews are two of the many pen names for David Deangelo - who jarbarian has referenced throughout this thread. I'm sure David Deangelo is not a real name in the first place, more a business/marketing moniker. Try doing a bit more informed reading before making public accusations!

christy2luv

Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 985
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So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 12:23:45 AM
Try doing a bit more informed reading before making public accusations! Indrinita, I couldn't have said it better myself!!! I too have read many of Jarbarian's other posts and have ALWAYS noticed how he credits where his info comes from. I wonder how many of us have bought the books he recommends (I know I have), which would make him a source of free advertisement for these authors! I would have to agree that MILF is not adding anything postive to this thread, (which was supposed to help people heal themselves and move on after a break-up, first and foremost - not "getting someone and keeping him"), including showing where other people's work has been posted on this thread, without it being duly credited. Indrinita hit the nail on the head again by pointing out that MILF has absolutely no reason to even contribute to this thread (except for maybe a little jealousy). Not only does Jar give great advice publicly in the forums, but I know, first hand, that he cares enough to give advice through private email also! When I privately emailed him months ago for advice at a time I was so beyond depressed, he took the time to carefully answer each of my questions in DETAIL. He even checked up on me a few days later to see how things went. I am a complete stranger that he helped more than he will ever know! Ya think MILF would do that? That's what I thought! It would be very sad to see all the constructive discussion and learning on this thread deleted, due to one person's highjacking and flaming of the thread, and lack of effort (just plain laziness really) to see where previous work has been credited. A lot of people have benefited from this thread in particular. ^^^^ MILF & Sunshine, please note I am giving credit to Indrinita for a third time for her wisdom! I am sure that countless people have benefitted from this thread, thanks to Jarbarian, and I hope the moderaters see through your unproven accusations!

dave1234

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Msg: 986
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So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 3:02:56 AM
(Msg 982) NOBODY IS WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE ON HERE I'm exactly who I say I am. My profile is 100% accurate. My posts may be a bit more blunt than I am in person as I tend to consider the feelings of others when in their presence, otherwise, what you read is what you get. As for the advice "get to the gym, dive into hobbies, re-acquaint yourself with friends" and similar diversions I have never found them to work. If I had enjoyed those things I would have been doing them before. Why would I do more of the things I didn't take a great amount of interest in before the breakup? A breakup is losing ones partner and it's similar to a friend moving away or ourselves moving. The strange thing is, after a breakup and someone seeks another partner, they're accused of being on the rebound or trying to replace their partner but it's quite acceptable to make new friends. When we seek new friends we're not trying to replace a specific friend anymore than seeking a new partner means we're trying to replace a specific person. We do more things with our partner than just have sex. (That's certainly been emphasized enough on these boards.) It's the other things that most people miss which results in people suggesting the gym, friends, hobbies, etc. It's trying to fill up the time we spent with our partner and the only logical solution is to find another partner just as one would seek a friend. The downside to those time-filling suggestions is not only does the person miss their partner but now they are doing things they never really enjoyed doing before. (Obviously, if they had enjoyed doing those things they would have been doing them already.) That is the main cause of one becoming bitter. It becomes a struggle. They aren't doing those activities because they want to. They're doing them so as to keep their mind off their loss. So, how is that advice beneficial to second chances? It's not. How does that advice work towards your EX wanting to get back with you? It doesn't. How does that advice help you get over an EX? It doesn't do that, either. When I had relationships end I moved on. I started dating and seeking a partner. That is the quickest way whether one wants their old partner back or wants to forget them. More than one EX phoned family (brother, sister-in-law, mother) just to chat and slyly asking questions about me and they got their answer, "Dave went to a club Saturday evening." "Dave went to a movie Sunday afternoon." "Dave wasn't home when I called him Wednesday night." If you want to get back with your EX and they are considering the possibility and they know you're pining away or filling your time without anyone else they figure they have time to think about it. What's their rush? You're not seeing anyone else so you're still available. Your EX takes time to think about it and as time passes they're going to think less and less about you. If they know you've started dating they will realize they better make up their mind quickly. Either they will choose you or, if they don't, you will have already started to get to know someone else. It's a win-win situation. Get out and meet people. Date. Don't try to hide your loss behind an artificial, busy lifestyle all the while becoming more bitter. It's not beneficial. It's not healthy and in many cases it actually inhibits one from finding a partner. Assuming the bitterness is not detected, which in most cases it's easy to spot, ones busyness ( lively but meaningless activity. Dic.com) is a turnoff to many potential suitors.

unconventional

Joined: 9/26/2006
Msg: 987

Only cowardly men hit and run Posted: 4/9/2007 8:03:57 AM
Oooops... Greg BERRENT... LOL.. and yeah, it IS pretty much word for word... but whatever

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 988

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 8:16:36 AM
Get out and meet people. Date. Don't try to hide your loss behind an artificial, busy lifestyle all the while becoming more bitter. It's not beneficial. It's not healthy and in many cases it actually inhibits one from finding a partner. Assuming the bitterness is not detected, which in most cases it's easy to spot, ones busyness ( lively but meaningless activity. Dic.com) is a turnoff to many potential suitors. Getting out with friends, going to the gym and diving into new hobbies are excellent ways to meet new people. Did you know that a good majority of married couples met through friends, not an internet dating service? The reason to get involved in the activites I suggested, which are often suggested by Counselors, is that your mind needs activites to occupy itself with. Going out and trying to date, especially when you have not healed yet, will do more harm than good because you will inherently focus on your ex and compare everyone you meet to them. You will appear downtrodden to any potential date if you date before you are ready. You can not have a successful relationship with someone new until you are over someone old. It's also been proven, time and time again, that excercise helps stave off depression. So going to the gym is beneficial in more ways than just physical. So then what are your choices? You can sit around at home and be miserable, you can try and date before you are ready (and still be miserable) or you can get up off your duff and surround yourself with freinds, hobbies and work on self improvement. Again, it may not work for you but for a good majority of people, it does.

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 989

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 8:23:51 AM
I just did a little research myself and found out that Chris Carter (writer of Catch Him and Keep Him) and Mark Matthews are two of the many pen names for David Deangelo - who jarbarian has referenced throughout this thread. I'm sure David Deangelo is not a real name in the first place, more a business/marketing moniker. Try doing a bit more informed reading before making public accusations! Why am I not surprised? I just went and looked at the web site and the writing style is exactly the same and his "Double Your Dating" web site.

Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 990

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 9:04:08 AM
To Indrinita....I did a little research after reading your post....it states "It is believed by many readers that DeAngelo is the author of Catch Him and Keep Him [1], a book geared to women similar to Double Your Dating, written under the pen name Christian Carter.[" but there is nothing to confirm it...... and I beleive in your earlier posts, that Chris Carter had nothing good to contribute according to your last batch of research and what friends had told you......maybe you could quote your reference wherein it is confirmed, as I couldn't find positive confirmation....could anyone????? Please clarify......is it good or not????? To Jarbarian....you too had nothing nice to say about the ebook or author Chris Carter at first, but glad to hear that after all of this, you finally recognize the writing style....good thing Indrinita found irefutable proof that they are one in the same.....wheeew....I know if feel better.....So does that make that ebook helpful then? especially considering you may or may not reference him....just want to be sure what team your playing on today....lol

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 991

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 9:10:57 AM
To Jarbarian....you too had nothing nice to say about the ebook or author Chris Carter at first, but glad to hear that after all of this, you finally recognize the writing style.... I've been on David DeAngelo's spam mailing list for about 3 years. How I got there, I don't know, but the writing style is the same. All it took was one look at the web site to see that. Good thing Indrinita found irefutable proof that they are one in the same.....wheeew....I know if feel better.....So does that make that ebook helpful then? especially considering you may or may not reference him....just want to be sure what team your playing on today....lol You might want to read this.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_DeAngelo I thought this was interesting as well... http://thephilosophyofbeingcool.blogspot.com/2005/03/catch-him-and-keep-him-david-deangelos.html

Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 992

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 9:24:52 AM
Let me make this quite clear to all....for me this has nothing to do with this forum...it has to do with the treatment of Milf for stating an opinion..... Farbarian, the wikipedia website is where I directly took my cut an paste of "It is believed by many readers that DeAngelo is the author of Catch Him and Keep Him [1], a book geared to women similar to Double Your Dating, written under the pen name Christian Carter.[" from.....it again does not say that it is him, only it is believed it is him..... Quite frankly, I didn't start reading this forum until yesterday....really don't care other than someone does need to stick up for the underdog, which in this case is MILF....Jarbarian.....your defensivness gave me an immediate impression of guilt....I work in the legal field for a living and am good at reading peoples responses..... the only thing milf did wrong was to voice her opinion.....then you apparently slammed her in a personal email....and then started to publicly question her security and your follower started bashing on her......I say poor form to all of you....Jarbarian, my mistake, I thought members of the armed forces fought for freedoms and for the underdog......you've done nothing but encourage the bashing..... let me ask....when you do find the right woman...and she challenges one of your ideas.....will she have insecurity issues for not believing you? In my opinion, you would have been a bigger person to just apologize for the name calling and offer some reference materials for her to research as opposed to publicly slamming and calling names......she was very articulate in her writing and I am sure that the two of you could have had a non-abusive debate.... Wow you should feel very proud right now.....Hoorah .....go....Marines

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 993

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 9:45:41 AM
Let me make this quite clear to all....for me this has nothing to do with this forum...it has to do with the treatment of Milf for stating an opinion..... She didn't state an opinion. She made an unfounded acusation. She called me a liar and coward without an ounce of proof. Farbarian, Now who is name calling? Exactly WHAT are you adding to this thread? You are off topic. the wikipedia website is where I directly took my cut an paste of "It is believed by many readers that DeAngelo is the author of Catch Him and Keep Him [1], a book geared to women similar to Double Your Dating, written under the pen name Christian Carter.[" from.....it again does not say that it is him, only it is believed it is him..... Here is your proof: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=catchhimandkeephim.com The "Catchhimandkeephim.com" web site is OWNED by David DeAngelo. You mean to tell you think that because he owns it AND his way of making money is to dole out advice online that he is NOT writing the "catchhimandkeephim" site as well? Give me a break. There is your proof. See, I have no problem showing proof. All I ask of MILF, or anyone else who has acused me of plagurizing, is to show the proof. Quite frankly, I didn't start reading this forum until yesterday....really don't care other than someone does need to stick up for the underdog, which in this case is MILF....Jarbarian.....your defensivness gave me an immediate impression of guilt....I work in the legal field for a living and am good at reading peoples responses..... the only thing milf did wrong was to voice her opinion..... What MILF did wrong was to accuse me of something I did not do and then go on to insult me. My defensiveness is understandable given that many times during the course of this thread I have given credit to every book I have read and stated clearly where I received my information from. Being called a liar, when it's clear as day that I am not would tick anyone else off, including you. Assuming my guilt based on me defending myself IS NOT proof that I am a liar. If you want to prove I am a liar or guilty POST THE EXERPTS of the information I suppsively stole! If you're in the legal field then you know the burden of proof is on the ACUSER, not the acused! then you apparently slammed her in a personal email.... You did not read what she wrote to me, did you? All I said to her that was anything out of line was "Your mom must be proud of your name." I did not CALL her a name. She calls herself a "MILF" and if you don't know what that means, look it up. and then started to publicly question her security and your follower started bashing on her......I say poor form to all of you....Jarbarian, my mistake, I thought members of the armed forces fought for freedoms and for the underdog......you've done nothing but encourage the bashing..... On the contrary, I am being called a liar and plagurizer - unfounded and with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. If you've ever been called a liar in your life when you know for a fact you are not, you'd be slightly upset too. Especially when this thread was started to HELP other people. Instead YOU and MILF have taken this thread far off topic. I don't have a problem with her calling me liar, all I want to see is the proof. Since she can't come up with the proof then what she is doing is lying herself. let me ask....when you do find the right woman...and she challenges one of your ideas.....will she have insecurity issues for not believing you? Of course not. If she calls me a liar based on assumptions and not facts then I will challenge her. The point here is that I KNOW where my information came from and I have credited the authors. She says I stole information from a site, until she posted, I had never visited before in my life. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but the ONLY reason I am even bothering to defend myself here is simply because the acusations are unfounded. Read the entire thread and you'll see where I have given credit where credit is due. In my opinion, you would have been a bigger person to just apologize for the name calling The only NAME I called her was a hypocite and that is exactly what she is. And IMHO, to not defend myself from false acusation would be cowardly. I have time and time again stated where I received my information and credited the sources. She has YET to post ANY proof whatsoever that I have "plagurized" anyone. and offer some reference materials for her to research I'm not the one making acusations of lying and plagurizing here. She is. The right way to go about calling someone a liar is to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and POST PROOF. as opposed to publicly slamming and calling names......she was very articulate in her writing and I am sure that the two of you could have had a non-abusive debate.... Again, you did not read the email she wrote to me. She has made unfounded acusations and has done NO RESEARCH on her part to back up her claims. I, on the other hand, have always pointed out in this thread (and others) EXACTLY where I got my information from. All MILF had to do was read past the first post to see that. Instead, she jumped the gun, made assumptions and then proceeded to call me a liar without the slightest bit of research done on her part. Wow you should feel very proud right now.....Hoorah .....go....Marines Oh now THAT's mature.

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Msg: 994

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:12:49 AM
To Indrinita....I did a little research after reading your post....it states "It is believed by many readers that DeAngelo is the author of Catch Him and Keep Him [1], a book geared to women similar to Double Your Dating, written under the pen name Christian Carter.[" but there is nothing to confirm it...... and I beleive in your earlier posts, that Chris Carter had nothing good to contribute according to your last batch of research and what friends had told you......maybe you could quote your reference wherein it is confirmed, as I couldn't find positive confirmation....could anyone????? Wow it seems that not only (like MILF) you have not read what is in this thread, but you didn't even read what was in my post, and now you're misquoting me entirely! If you have a point to make, I suggest that you make it, especially after reading what is in the thread (which it would seem not only milf has neglected to do, and but you as well!), and by not misquoting people out of context. I still feel "Chris Carter" or whatever has nothing constructive to say to women about moving on after a breakup, and that hasn't changed! However that is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make! I was merely trying to show where Jarbarian has referenced other work in this thread. And as you probably are not aware (since you haven't actually followed or read the thread!), jarbarian not only uses one reference, but many, he mentions them all, and also mentions what is advice from his own experiences. I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make other than just to defend milf for no other reason than you see her as someone who has been "ganged up upon". What you may not realize about your own legal system is that it is the responsibility of the accuser to prove that the accusee has made some kind of transgression, NOT the other way around (not that this is a legal issue at this point, just making a comparison). As christy2luv has already mentioned, I seriously doubt that milf or you, sunshine, would ever take the time to help your fellow human being as jarbarian has done in this thread, but it seems both of you would take the time to try and mar someone's name - and without giving any evidence for it no less! Puhleez. What is wrong with people today! Are you illiterate or just plain lazy?! As I have said before, take the time to go and read and research a bit (through this thread, on other websites, etc.) before you decide to start a schoolyard row (your words, by the way, not mine) for no reason. I don't understand why people decide to "contribute" such shyte, especially on threads that are intended to help people. Oh yeah, and sunshine: I AM exactly who I say I am on my profile, so don't assume that everyone lies on their profile (just because you and others may - I've noticed often people who assume that other people are doing something are themselves doing that thing, good or bad!).

Ron9

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So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:28:11 AM
What the heck is going on here on this thread? We are ALL a composite of what we have learned from others. Half of what I “spew” on these forums is chunks and bits of stuff/thoughts/logic I have learned and put my own words to it. The spirit of this thread is to try to help others understand the dynamics of the topic. If someone said something similar somewhere else BFD - EVERYTHING we say or think came into our mind from SOMEWHERE. Why are some trying to muddy up the spirit of this thread? Why don’t the distractors go somewhere else and try to pizz on something else.

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Msg: 996

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:29:21 AM
^^^^^I could not agree more!

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Msg: 997

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:36:18 AM
AGAIN, FOR ALL, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD IN QUESTION, BUT A DEBATE WITH THE AUTHOR......NOT INTENDED TO DEFLECT READERS FROM THE CONTENT OF THE ORIGINAL THREAD AND IF YOU GET SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF IT FROM READING IT ......GOOD FOR YOU..... My apologies for addressing you by your POF name....not to sure what your getting at with the stmts below?????????.....yes I addressed you by your name, not sure what the problem is.....please explain the sensitivity. Farbarian, Now who is name calling? Exactly WHAT are you adding to this thread? You are off topic. Not off topic at all, made it quite clear that this debate with you wasn't about the tread it was about your jumping all over MILF.....your so set on she has insecurity issues....than maybe you should have been a little more understanding and not posted that she had.....maybe offer her some research links to intelligently debate.... Milf's message to you #956 is very opinionated and accusatory, but an inocent man would have defended not become defensive.....then msg#967 is obviously after she read your personal email....who are you to make any moral assumption based on her name.....I believe you said yours stood for your marine name Jarhead Barbarian?????......yes I know what MILF is.....and I also know the meaning of BARBARIAN is..... uncivilized and uncultered person.....right from wikepedia also....not a personal attack, just a definition....but you challenge the meaning of MILF.....one in a glass house shouldn't throw stones.... Wheew....glad I picked a name like sunshine.....lol...the "69" of 6971 stands for my birthday nothing more.....before you decide to go there with that ..... once she challenges the authenticity of your work......and in your own words you attack her charachter and post the following "You did not read what she wrote to me, did you? All I said to her that was anything out of line was "Your mom must be proud of your name." I did not CALL her a name. She calls herself a "MILF" and if you don't know what that means, look it up." I would say that was a personal character attack.. You keep saying that this has nothing to do with this thread.....you r right.....I have said that all along......this is a personal debate with you about your and your followers treatment of someone that you say has obvious insecurity issues.....if you truly felt bad for her as you indicated you would have defended in a way as to not slam her and bash her...... by your admittance in your last post....you did far more that call her hypocrite....you challenge her character through her name, challenge her insecurities and stability openly...... There is a difference between defend and defensive.....you have been defensive....if you were so upset, then one would think that you would have gone out of your way to post the links etc that you have been today....you might have gone through and stated what messages that you credit others in....etc....there was many things that you could have done to defend your honour than becoming abusive...... But you are the one making accusations and one would think that if you were in the right, you would want to clear your name in a civilized fashion and come out looking like the bigger person here..... No none of us read her email to you, you however did post what you privately emailed her and it was uncalled for .... then you blocked her, not allowing her to defend herself....so her "hit and run" title is fitting......that is by your own admissions.... As far as my maturity (wow again with name calling, for someone so insightfull, your not very rational at times).....I dated a US Marine for over 6 months.....I can honestly say I have never met anyone with more of a sense of right and wrong, a strict code of Honour...helping the underdog, people who can't help themselves.....and always doing so in a very gentlmanly way.....have never met more of a gentleman......I have seen none of that in you......there is no honour in the way you chose to defend yourself.

Lovely_bum

Joined: 10/9/2006
Msg: 998

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:38:34 AM
wow what a brilliant post!! I have gone through a break up and this will really really help! I guess if it is real love then it will wait for the right time x

Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 999

So you want a second chance? Posted: 4/9/2007 10:44:40 AM
wow again with your literate and articulate slamming......very humanitarian.....I will again state to you, this is a debate with jarbarian, not part of your thread..... Please point out my misquotation as I am not sure what your are referring to....the fact that you give no substantive evidence to your claim that they are one in the same....that Jarbarian gives credit to the other individual ....and if indeed they are one in the same....you openly slam CC for having nothing to say etc.....but he's supposedly one in the same with the other relationship expert that jarbarian refers too.... AS I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FORUM.....BUT HOW QUICKLY AND MALICIOUSLY YOU ATTACK PEOPLE......I TOO BELIEVE IN KHARMA, WHAT YOU PUT OUT POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE WITH COME BACK 10 FOLD..... Wow there is nothing in my profile that is not 100% true......and if all were so honest...can't figure out why so many forums on why people lie on here..... Thanks for your insight....oh wait, what was it again???????