| Jill Carroll
Posted: 3/31/2006 4:56:48 PM | It is interesting..all of it whether you agree with war or not. Whether you agree she should have been released or not or whether you think she is like patty hearst..until she is on american soil as it were the stories are not finished..they will keep coming in.
thanks cougar from me too. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 3/31/2006 6:55:26 PM |
Here are some excerpts from her interview...interesting.
cougar: When I commented that she was sympathetic with the cause of the mujahadeen prior to her capture, it is only based upon comments I've seen others make, so I should have made that disclaimer. I certainly don't know if she is suffering from Stockholm syndrome and was forced to make the comments in her "exit interview,", or perhaps expressing feelings similar or close to what she felt before, of her own free will, whether she was asked to or not. The best indicator would be to read several of her stories about Iraq published in the Christian Science Monitor over the prior year. I searched for her byline in articles about Iraq in the archived stories at their website and there are many , but they want a fee to get articles from their archives, so I elected not to. I might try to see if there are old editions of their newspaper for the dates her last several articles were published prior to her abduction, the next time I'm at the library. Maybe someone else who has a subscription to CSM and keeps their back copies and/or has purchased an online archived article registration could share a couple of her more recent and/or illuminating (from the perspective of whether she was indeed sympathetic to the mujahadeen prior to her abduction) articles with us.
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 3/31/2006 7:32:07 PM | well, after all she has been through,
i'm guessing she's getting one hell of a debriefing at this point. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 9:02:00 AM | | We now know that some of the statements she has made were part of her agreement for release. The talking heads this morning say she seems to be suffering from SS. Time will tell. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 9:09:56 AM | I love the arm-chair psychiatrist who've already given her a diagnosis. SS? What
if a real psychologist states that she is completely healthy and her views are
absolutely sane. Then what? What impression does she leave with you?
PS: God didn't answer any prayer's....this was the natural conclusion of something
that shouldn't have taken place. The kidnappers knew they made a mistake
on the first day - they just didn't know what to do with her. So, people, leave
religion out of it. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 9:24:00 AM | Isn't this whole war in part about religion? Sad but true..history does seem to repeat though with different players..
She was a reporter for the christian science monitor..not someone who was trying to convert people..it seems she was trying to show the american people a different side of the story we only get through media outlets like fox.
Alot of people were praying for her release irregardless of the God they pray to.
No one has any idea what was going on behind the scenes in regards to her family. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 9:29:41 AM | There sure is a lot of rhetoric though & assumptions.
First, the war isn't about religion - religion is the tool that Republicans use to
justify and create nationalistic fervour to support the theft of oil. Very simple. The
media was the tool to approach fanatical Muslims to make stupid comments while
the Christians were making the same inane comments about their beliefs. The media
was used to fan the flames of popularity...only when the truth started coming
out was when the media realized they've been duped....only FOXnews remains
hopeful that the Republicans were right. Everybody else realized how they
were suckered & moved on with their lives and consequently the dissaproval
ratings for GWB reflects that.
Only a Republican believes this war was based on religion & democracy....it simply is not.
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 9:57:43 AM | Isn't this whole war in part about religion? and just what does this mean? the whole war, in part? really, what does this mean, please, the whole, in part? huh?that's what many sheep believe, i hear. that's what extremists would want people to believe, and for them to think they have the real issues to decipher, sift through and yet still be of their like mind.
Sad but true.. and whose truth might THAT be? it ain't truth for me...sorry...
history does seem to repeat though with different players.. and just whose view of history might this be? my guess is yours, as well. can you provide examples of history repeating itself with different "players" as you refer to? the "game" then, is of mind control, lives, and power?
She was a reporter for the christian science monitor..not someone who was trying to convert people.. oh really? and, so then, just exactly what do you think the christian scientists are trying to do?! if not convert, or attempt to align people with their way of political and religious thought?
it seems she was trying to show the american people a different side of the story we only get through media outlets like fox. many americans know of a plethora of media outlets to gain information elsewhere, in so many other much less slanted views. there's a hell of a lot more real information than JUST fox or CSM, but i will hope you find them on your own.
No one has any idea what was going on behind the scenes in regards to her family no one? not even the debriefers? or the agencies in place set up to deal with these sorts of issues, militarily and otherwise? please...
such a flippant and uneducated post, sadly. i wonder if op has ever had a real conversation with people in positions of power, or might, or can comprehend what this war is sadly about, many many factors are involved. talk to some retired military, or people with real and true understanding of the war machine before espousing slanted skewed facist and oh so liberal views, assuming comfortably they "know." far too many people on this site know, have experienced war firsthand. just please for a moment, imagine those and their views on armchair philosophists.
something smells rather a bit too liberal in these waters.
and those are some of the most self righteous, unknowing, and assuming waters around.
and sheep float in those waters, sad but true.
God i wish we could handle this mess as we did in desert storm.
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:15:45 AM | God i wish we could handle this mess as we did in desert storm. storm in, storm out, how long did THAT war take? how many lives were lost, in what amount of time? if only we had stayed in but time it would have actually taken, while we were already there, a short time longer compared to what we now find ourselves mired in, and been able to honestly say "mission accomplished" like the frikken coffee cup i have from that war, with that very motto, yet sadly untrue.
i can remember myself playing on the beaches of a small island in the phillipines during desert storm, after the country was closed to international traffic while i was on a plane, en route there because an american was killed on the road it took for me to get to that base far from the manilla international airport i landed at. thankfully, i knew nothing of the closure or any killing until after i was safely in my paradise. sick, sad, but THAT is the truth. now those beaches are foddering training camps for terrorists.
jill carroll, it seems to me, is now yet another curious and sad anomoly of this current war.
while she stated she was treated well, i wonder at the ptsd she will face for her efforts and steadfastness to her beliefs.
and yes, csms aren't shown in the news as trying to convert, they are more like secret society cult, insidious and unrelenting on their prey, under the guise of religion. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:21:57 AM | Calling me a sheep?? Then I call you a shrew. A woman who feels the need to put others down for their own views..go back to your own post then..take lazyboy with you if you like.
Can you say religious crusades? Can you say many people have died for their so called religious cause? History class can show you...
I have never heard of a group of christian scientist(by the way you don't have to be one to read the paper) trying to force their ideas onto other people..trying to convert others whatever..
I was using Fox as an example.
In regards to her family...until I hear them speak for themselves and share their views I would not presume to judge what they were thinking doing etc...
Amazing how many judges and juries there seem to be..amazing how many people feel the need to attack because someone else has a different point of view..
Ahh isn't that interesting another form of history repeating..as one person seems to think they know everything about everything and others know nothing. It is just not possible. The world is too big. The world is full of people who have their own views. They are not sheep they are thinking for themselves. Not going to let some shrew or tyrant stifle there ideas..which may not be yours but at least people are talking, thinking expanding their minds. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:24:35 AM |  I agree soft, get in and take care of business. We should have never stopped in Kuwait, should have swept the desert in 91' just like Napoleon did in Egypt.
GWB has become very Johnsonesque, this war could have been settled with one shot from a ballistic submarine cruising off our east coast, putting only one young lad in harms way, and that harm would have only been a blister upon his finger that pushed the button.
Sounds harsh? No, would have avoided many American deaths and prevented the hell that hostages like, Jill Carroll suffered.
What we need is a President like Truman, finish the job, regardless of how the rest of this world feels about it. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:28:55 AM | | In what way is this war a religious crusade? On whose part is it a crusade? Ours? Must have missed that briefing prior to stepping off the plane in the desert. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:41:08 AM | Calling me a sheep?? noo, but referring to people that flow with indoctrination of mainstream politics whie thinking they aren't, those are sheep. why so defensive?
Then I call you a shrew. well, thank you then, and i accept the gracious title. i AM rodent like!
and please stop your blatant disregard of TOS set in place as by admonishing both myself and another poster to leave this thread. tsk tsk. anyone's ability to respond to threads, especially in light of the fact that you disregarded TOS by beginning your own thread where one had already existed since her captivity. that i find just rude, selfish, and/or lazy.
for anyone to believe this is a holy jihad or religious war indicates more their confusion as this is looked upon by the muslim fanatical extremists wish. our own country has another agenda, or we wouldn't be there, or we would be done with it by now, without so many dead.
jill carroll was true to her beliefs, but look what happened to her, sadly the world IS a bigger place, with bigger agendas. i am thankful she is alive, but i wonder how she will fare in the remainder of her life, with where she placed herself FOR her beliefs. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:55:10 AM | In what way is this war a religious crusade? On whose part is it a crusade? Ours? Must have missed that briefing prior to stepping off the plane in the desert.
That's a question you need to ask the person you just praised. She ascerted that
all of it comes down to religion. And as far as the republicans go, wasn't it
GWB that stated THIS IS A CRUSADE?? Hello??? He used that word 4 times during
the start of the war. You missed it because you aren't allowed information.
...but it's NOT, Christianity is used as the vehicle to pilfer a country of it's oil.
Many view points? Every human has the same desires and wants......there's always
greed and that's a CONSTANT with most of us. You can have a billion people and yet
they all have the same desires - only difference is by which means we go out to
attain it. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 10:59:17 AM | Agreed, soft. Saddam believes in religious right when it suited him, as do all the other unemployable uni-bombers hoping for 72 virgins, a pina colada and a pack of smokes. And how dare anyone attack you like that...
The fact the we are discussing this topic allows me to armchair psychoanalyze the crap out of Jill Carroll, just as the talking heads will do today and tomorrow. Get over it.
edit: And the Christian Science Monitor does not have anything to do with Christians, or the monitoring of Christians. Despite its name, the Monitor was not established to be a religious-themed paper, nor does it directly promote the doctrine of its patron church. The Monitor is widely read by CIA and other intelligence agency analysts because of the newspaper's attention to accuracy and global perspective. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:01:09 AM | praise? praise who?
hmm, didn't know christians were that oil hungry. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:09:51 AM | And how dare anyone attack you like that... yes, the shrew enjoys a debate, it's all good and fine...
ice, the christians are indeed an oil hungry machine! how else can any or all of us, christians/republican/dems/socailists/independents drive our suvs and lil sporty cars as well as utilize it for all our war machinery if we had none? and yes, let's not forget the strange bedfellows it made of mr b's family and the saudis from waay back. (sorry dallas)
of course, i doubt jill carroll would attest to that, but she is as i believe and said, an anomoly. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:14:26 AM | Can you say religious crusades? Can you say many people have died for their so called religious cause? History class can show you...
History class doesn't teach you about manipulation and con jobs or illusions or
greed....that stuff you have to pick up in the real world.
I give you an F.
Not trying to pound on you, but you've been conned just like the Muslims in that
part of the world, and just as the Christians in their churches here on this continent. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:15:51 AM | how else can we drive our suvs and lil sporty cars as well as utilize it for all our war machinery if we had none?
are you summarizing all of us as christians? | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:17:21 AM |
that stuff you have to pick up in the real world.
And requires the obligatory aluminum hat and binoculars.
Someone here is pretty good at dispensing judgement, but seems to lack judgement himself.
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:17:47 AM | but they don't yet teach history in kindergarten, do they?
most of the young lambs are too tender for the harsh realities of the real world in their innocent stage.
at least jill wasn't sacrificed, what a holy mess that'dve been, imagine the factions all breaking off even more so divergently, all out chaos worse than what is already going on, i imagine. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:18:39 AM | I don't know how to categorize you, Ice, it seems I'm becoming as guilty as
those that 'summarize' all people in the middle east as fanatical muslims.
Problem here is that being Republican opens you up to something: being called a
hypocrite. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:20:00 AM | And requires the obligatory aluminum hat and binoculars.
Probably because the leadership gives all of us a case of collective psychosis & paranoia.
An entire nation has gone batty....but, the poll numbers on Bush shows the
nation is returning to sanity. | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:31:26 AM | you don't have to categorize me...
during "Return of the Bush" better known as operation enduring freedom, we cared not who was christian or muslim...all we knew was that the "fanactics" shot back. LOL | |
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| Jill Carroll
Posted: 4/1/2006 11:39:57 AM | You don't know what I have been or what I am.
This post was, "I am glad she was released." It wasn't meant as this is my political agenda.
I merely suggested to some that their own original post, where they can banter about on everyone's political and religious and oil driven agendas..
This was a simple(maybe an F to you) post. (that kind of sounded funny) I am glad she was released, period. A positive. A loving thought from me put out in the world. Yet just like the world there are people who see a picture and want to scribble all over it. Instead of embracing what was meant to be a plain and simple, my heart felt relief by her seemingly safe return.
The need to control and dominate without education and nurturing..a world of imbalance. How is that working for everyone??
Call me uneducated call me a sheep but do it on a post where its about political agenda's.
I have never stated mine as it was irrelevant, here.
This was an honest heartfelt grateful one. A simple I am happy.
Where there is light always shadows come too. Truly though this was love pure and simple.
Nothing to analyze, nothing to shred, not a place where to attack..(I am sorry for mine..my temper just flared a tad)
A place where a person can say they are grateful. | |
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