The Value of Women. East vs West Free Dating, Singles and Personals

The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 3/2/2005 10:58:51 AM
Um, I'm kinda new here, so I hope everyone will kindly adjust the flow-control knob of their flame-throwers down a couple notches should I begin to disagree with the bulk of woman in this thread. With all due respect to both the original nutty poster and the subsequent emotional parade of women after him, there is something buried deep in his original post for everyone to consider. In my humble opinion this guy, who seems to have the social skills an Abu Garub prison career counselor (which unfortunately wounds his 'premise') eludes to something which is indeed 'cultural', but doesn't have as much to do with women as it does with all of us living in his 'western' world. The 'truth' he's grasping for isn't a geographically-based division of 'culpability' for women. In my opinion, the 'measure' of women is the same all over the world.... they are life givers. It's that simple. His delussion is that women serve or don't serve men or themselves. Unfortunately and ironically, his delusion holds some amount of truth. It is this truth that we should pay attention to. On the surface, 'western', 'eastern' and 'far eastern' woman share the same basic role in this life... again, as life givers, nuturers, mothers, companions, wives, lovers (career or otherwise). The stereotypical lines drawn on this sandy surface by delusionists like our Mr. Obi Wan relate to what we all 'hear' or think we know about the various cultures. I've lived in countries all over the world and have befriended individuals, families, tribes of people and found that yes, there are differences in the women per country/culture but that NONE of the women are the 'submissives' that we all apparently comfort ourselves thinking they are. Women in China will set their guy straight as well as a hot chili tempered mamasita in Columbia will.... just in a different way. Asian woman have perfected the technique of the 'drop of water which carried away the boulder' in their 'arguements'. It is this sterotypical perception of woman abroad which lures unsuspecting western men to places like China, Thailand, Vietnam and India for a 'woman of least resistance'. I say, nothing is free. Everything comes at a price. There was one fellow who wrote a post here something to the effect that most men going abroad to find wives in other countries must have been losers or rejected in the US or 'NA'. Another fellow regarded men who went abroad for women in developing countries as 'predatory'. Yeah, well, having been in some of the countries that are 'preyed' upon by western rejects I'd have to say yes, it happens. Yes, some are rejected predators. But no more than what takes place in our own country. One brief look up on any city's crime statistic report will show as many, if not more, 'predations' in your own city. No, the 'silent revolution' Willie Wonka is eluding to isn't a migration of men to other countries to find 'better women'... it is a migration away from what is making the western woman 'appear' less appealling. Western women appear to be 'demanding'. It is this 'demanding' that puts us men off. Demanding is a polite way of saying '***ing', nagging, ragging about something, anything. It's true, eastern and far eastern don't 'demand' as much in their lives as western women. The 'simple life' as it is called here in China is simply a matter of fact. No one believes more is better. Instead, 'enough is best'. Moderation rules (unfortunately, it's a goverment imposed moderation). But, I know Chinese businessmen who have built empires on Wal-Mart's exports and they still live in these small crowded apartments (but with a Benz parked outside), still eating the same simple meals they ate as farmers before 'the opening up' and WTO. That's cultural. But that's not what is bumming out men about western women. Admit it ladies, women are ADDICTED to Oprah. She's an amazing person. Electrifying personality. Smart. Funny. Talented, etc. etc. etc.... However, what is, indeed (whether you ladies want to recognize it or not) turning good, eligible, honorable men off about the 'western' woman isn't what Oprah is doing on her show, it is what is supporting her show and other popular shows. It's a tired and beaten horse, so to say it out loud will make eyes roll with 'ah geeez, not this sht again...' but, we are ALL, not just women (though they are the absolute biggest target of this) being just mutated by the corporate advertising monster machine. Western women (and now, to a growing degree, 'eastern' and 'far eastern' women) just suck up all this 'bling' ad blitzkriegs that have been relentlessly pounding on our own country's moral fiber for decades. It's become so engrained in us that we don't even debate it much any more. To a remarkable degree, European countries have managed to regulate their media's social saturation points (not censorship, but specifically advertising coersion). But in our country, the sky is NOT the limit to how much manipulation can be imposed by brand makers and broadcasters who's owners have seats in our Congress and House of 'Representatives'. I used the word 'mutated' earlier because we have become a nation unto itself as being the biggest spectacle of self-mutilation by means of our own unhappiness. It is a well-known economic factor that if a general population is unhappy it spends more. That's a generality, but it fits us. Whether we're over-wieght, or lonely, or driving a POS car, or in a dead-end job, or whatever... we look for the purchase of 'something' to bolster our gross depression about anything (usually that 'something' contains some amount of chocolate). ;) That reaching for something material is where our 'material girl' enters the popular psyche of the 'western' woman. That stupid song by Madonna was perfect for the time.... it hit the charts at the zenith of our country's consumer consciousness. It was poetic and pathetic at the same time. So, somewhere along the way, this Dr. Looney Tunic met a 'material girl' or two or twelve or as many as he wanted to meet (as we are now exporting them to 'developing nations') (forgive the 'commodity' reference here ladies) and made a brash categorization of all 'western' women. So, yes, in my opinion he's slipped on his own dripping faux intellect, but he's touched on something that in a VERY broad sense makes the entire world point at the US specifically, and the 'western' world generally, as the center of degradation of people, not just women. I saw a couple posts by guys advocating men's activist groups.... Like any support group, it's good to have someplace to go and feel good about feeling bad about something. But in my opinion, those groups are missing the point. Groups like these for men and women just drive a deep wedge between the sexes when there's no need to. Simple communication smooths over most all differences. Well, simple communication and some rum. It isn't our different sex or race or nationality that we need to 'remedy' or seek alternatives to. It's our level of tolerance to the way we are all being subjected to truly bizarre social and economic manipulation. If we step back and look at a couple of classic examples, we see how far off we are from the 'right' path. How many people on this forum have kids? How many of those kids ride a school bus? What is the going wage of a school bus driver? A McDonald's manager makes more than a bus driver. A man transporting our future generations is valued less than the guy ensureing my fries are crispy. Teachers are valued less in our society than most secretaries. People in charge of educating and preparing our next generation are valued less than the woman bringing me coffee during a meeting. These are the oh so obvious imbalances in the 'western' world that make other cultures like Japan and China seem 'on track' with regard to the 'over all good of the nation' despite their human rights records. We are no longer governed by a president or a Congress or any tangible semblance of responsible social mechanisms. We are governed, and I mean governed in the truest sense of the word, the broadest reaching sense of 'governed' by a handful of CEOs living in the British Virgin Islands. Their kids get away with murder and rape and drug posession while we buy their products to get rid of those darn freckles or darken out those pesky grey hairs. It's not western women.... it's all of us. It's just ironic an elderly, desperately lonely, biology teacher points this out to us. OK, you can click off the 'safety' on your flame throwers. Peace.