| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 1:34:21 PM | Unfortunatley racing is like everything else in our lives; it's modernized and nothing can stay as it was in the past & if you "honestly" think about it; that goes with everything from when we had to carry change to make phone calls from a pay phone to being spoiled with cell phones, to teenagers that can not count money back to a customer without a computer; so you can't blame NASCAR for building a "safer" car and equipment or we'd still have Dale, Sr here.
Heck there are so many things I wish were the same as they just 15-20 years ago but it's not & it's going to keep changing. We have cars now that park themselves, give us directions....I still like the big ole paper maps.
So is NASCAR really to blame or the ignorance of fans that can't read both sides of the road; NHRA is the same way, open wheel racing and to be honest I HATE FOOTBALL because most of the guys are snorting the 30 yard like, picking up prositutes or dealing drugs; NASCAR drivers donate to charities & do not mind mingling with fans; when is the last time anyone saw a NFL player do that then they want to cry because they can't afford their 4 + million dollar homes...
I'll take my redneck pretty boys anyday compared to NFL. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 2:04:11 PM | At least the NFL is not FAKE like Wrestling and NASCAR; it has nothing to do with changing with the times. I bet Mike Helton tells everyone who they are going to let win the race before it even begins.
Give me Robby Gordon any day of the week. He is the only one who has any gonads to stand up to them and the Nascar Elite. Of course, I could listen to Ward Burton talk all day; maybe, one day he will "open" his mouth when he talks !!! | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 3:48:22 PM | Ok smart guy; how many NFL games or NASCAR races have your participated in? I didn't think so, I though do work with 2 NASCAR teams and trust me there is nothing fake about NASCAR & NFL for that matter but you can't compare either of those to Wrestling...come up grow up & take off your big boy pj's on & stop dreaming.
I've sat in on drivers meeting and I'm sorry to disapoint you but Mike Helton doesn't say things like that oh but I forget I've seen you sitting in at the meetings before.
It figures you would like Robby Gordon; what a cry baby & can only drive road courses & not that well at that. I see all the sponsors just flocking to him 
Ward Burton; I agree about listening to him talk; it's funny that his brother doesn't sound quite as 'slang' as Ward but Elliott Sadler isn't too far behind Ward. I started liking Elliott Sadler when they interviewed in for the 2nd race in Talladega & they asked him how he hoped to finish the race; he said "well I hope to finish the race on all 4 tires; my car has more frequent flyer miles than I do". I laughed for a week on that one.
Last Wednesday there is a coffee change in the Mooresville area that is like Starbucks here & I was sitting with the owners & pr person for our team & Tommy Baldwin was in front of us in line then Chad Knaus came in.
Have a good evening my racing buddy 
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 3:57:54 PM | | I put the "new" Nascar in the same category of Wrestling, Roller Derby, and Monster Trucks. The outcome is predictable, and the Nascar ruling body are always going to make rules that keep Nascar at the fore front of attention be it swallowing their flag at last year's Daytona 500 or enforcing infraction rules subjectively like Wonder Boy Jeff Gordon car height. They do a good job at putting on a show for entertainment verses a race for enjoyment. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 4:50:41 PM | Now I know where I've seen you...on tv watching WWF (just kidding). I will admit NASCAR doesn't do the 'best' job in being consistant with their rulings. You can have 2 drivers do the same thing but get 2 different pushishments but that reminds me of being at work
Roller Derby; man that was from a long time ago; I remember that movie they put out about that. Sometimes our youth seems like it was so long ago & things we did or had were so ancient.
Oh well later | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 6:05:59 PM | | for those of you who think race car driver are not athletes your all stupid and wrong lets see you run a 30 lap feature race at you local short track and you will think differntly, it's one hell of a work out I used to do it for many years and can't inmagine running 500 laps or 500 miles flat out . Before you start talking bad about someone or something you better have done it yourself or you have no idea about what your talking about . When a driver is racing they use his or her legs & feet to work the gas & brakes (while it feels like your sticking them in a bon fire),they use thier hands,arms ,and all the upper body strength to turn the wheel and keep control of 3,400LBS , use thier minds to read traffic to make thier nexy move and every thing the car is telling them through thier feet from the pedels ,vibartions from the wheel to thier hands, and from the seat of the pants from the hot seat your straped into and can't move from and all inside a car that is well over 120 degress. In other sports when you want too you can call a time out in racing there is no time outs , oh and they don't stop racing during a comerical break like all other sports ,NO BODY WORKS HARDER THAN A RACE CAR DRIVER DURING A RACE NOBODY !!! , anything else is just a kids game where the boys get to take time outs, lets see them try to play any game with out a ball or stick with no time , or breaks for comericals and no half time just start the game and play it none stop from start to finish if they can't do that then they not are real athletes. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 6:14:17 PM | A-MEN VOXY !! It sounds like I found someone that has been directly involved in auto racing & knows what they are talking about..>THANK YOU !!
In October our ARCA driver; Gabi DiCarlo ran her 1st race at Talladega; she came over the radio when she got 3 & 4 wide and said "I'm doing it but my arms are killing me". We have made a daily regiment of workouts for her to increase her upper body strength along with burning situations in the car.
I'd like to see an NFL player hit something solid at 200 + mph.
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 6:22:55 PM | Oh Voxy you're cracking me up here; thanks for the "kind words" to Promisekeeper. I remember doing a few laps at Lowes and the shake from the steering wheel about made my fillings fall out of my teeth & also made me realize my arms were flabby.
I remember when Tommy Baldwin was Kasey Kahnes crew chief & it was Kaseys 1st time at Rockingham; Tommy placed an egg underneath his gas pedal & told Kasey that he had to finish the race without breaking the egg; he was one of the 2-4 drivers that did not wreck at the Rock & it being his 1st time there.
Once the car owner told Kasey at Talladega "oh yeah you can flat foot it around the track"; poor ole Kasey didn't know any better at that time & he did & made the pole; not until he got out of the car did they tell him different.
See ya on the circuit | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 7:05:12 PM | So are male nurses that need to keep their comments with the ladies. "Garage Lizzards" sounds like something from the hills of N. GA, sweetheart, flying back & forth to races in a private plane, staying in $1-3 million dollar PreVost, having dinner at a drivers home, attending the finest of anything we want or need ...really sounds like a "garage lizzard".
Also, paramedics go to school in half the time & can perform more procedures & administer more meds than a RN; so go do a real mans job & work on the road in the critical hour in the blood & guts rather than cleaning bedpans. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/20/2008 7:20:38 PM | Hey Promisekeeper, I apologize about the rude comment about being an RN; just repaying the low blow. Anyone in the medical or public safety field are unique and awesome people that deserve a lot of respect for what they do because so many people turn their backs on the people you all help.
I use to be an EMT and in Public Safety so I know the ropes & what life we all have to lead; it's not easy.
Later dude | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 5:16:25 AM | Race Girl ...you are a woman after my own heart with those comments!! I have been beating through the nay sayers on here also trying to prove a point that racing is indeed a sport!
I don't think Allen Iverson would have played with his eye-lids duct taped to his forehead like Ricky rudd did!! Ricky's eyes were swelled shut from an injury and he used the good old 200 mile an hour tape to fix the problem and kept on racing!! There are a lot of tough guys out on those tracks!!
Sports are competitions....racing is a SPORT!!!  | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/22/2008 5:41:46 AM | U GO BOYS AND GIRLS!!!
I truly believe if the average Joe or Joanne experienced the drive just once, it would alter their personal view at least a little bit(you know, those pre-conceived notions are hard to diminish.)
Many atheletes are sidelined by injuries in sports everyday,but for some reason drivers still have to race. A broken or sprained wrist? Too bad-hop in the car. Flu? Oh well, the race will be over in four hours.
I remember when Rudd had a separated shoulder last season and his comment was something like" I think I can do it" LOL Now THAT time the docs said: "no way" | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/22/2008 6:00:35 AM | Race car driving is much more demanding than any other sport in some ways. It depletes the driver of fluids very quickly through sweating. I don't think this is due to the extreme concentration required, I think it's due to the extreme amounts of visual information that the brain is continuously processing. The brain strain creates tons of heat that's dissipated through fluid loss.
I have a racing sim setup that I built for my computer. When I drive, I crank the thermostat down in the room and take my shirt off, because I sweat like a pig. After an hour and a half F1 race, I'm spent and all over the road. I need about 3 or 4 liters of water to replace what I've sweated. No other activity I've ever tried, no matter how physically demanding, makes me sweat as much. The human brain is an amazing machine that can expend huge amounts of energy, especially when processing extreme amounts of visual information. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/22/2008 5:57:55 PM | Hey you all; THANK YOU so much for the support and wonderful comments; it truly brought tears to my eyes because I've seen drivers come out of cars with burns where they've had to endure hours of burning skin without getting out of the car (remember Dale, Jr after his corvette crash, Dale, Sr driving with broken bones, driving with the flu & getting IV's before & after the race). I've seen EKG where they've monitored drivers heart when they're racing; it's scary.
You all are my true & loyal friends & have made a place in my heart forever; if non-NASCAR people can watch the movie Dale without tearing up then they're not a fan nor have a heart. I wasn't a Dale, Sr fan; I basically got into NASCAR in 2003 but it chokes me up when I watch it.
I hope to see you all at Daytona, Atlanta, Talladega, Rockingham, Lowes, or somewhere on the circuit.
God bless & stay safe
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/23/2008 1:16:25 AM | Let's see now ... once a week for 9 of the 12 months of the year, teams of competitors gather at different sites to participate in a controlled 3 or 4-hour race to decide a winner. Competitors battle against competitors, teams against teams. There are referees (marshals), rules, and a controlled set of identical conditions that everyone must adhere to. And the ultimate goal each week is to come in first. If that's not a sport, what would one call it then ?? ... a weekly gathering of the local car club ??
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/23/2008 3:39:35 AM | "Let's see now ... once a week for 9 of the 12 months of the year, teams of competitors gather at different sites to participate in a controlled 3 or 4-hour race to decide a winner. Competitors battle against competitors, teams against teams. There are referees (marshals), rules, and a controlled set of identical conditions that everyone must adhere to. And the ultimate goal each week is to come in first. If that's not a sport, what would one call it then???"
You just described a season of the Alberta Scrabble League | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/23/2008 7:53:25 PM | Once again another "doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground" but knows everything about NASCAR; you must be on the Board of Directors.
Everyone has their opinion.
A driver can never finish 1st but finish in the top 10 most of the year and still win the Championship; so it's not about always finishing 1st but staying consistant. You can have a driver win several races then the remainder of the races finish 15-43 and not make the Chase but you're the expert..you tell me.
But then again if I get bored I turn on NFL and watch the druggies snort the 30 yard line after getting shot at the night before at a bar after picking up prostitutes..WHAT A GREAT ATHLETES FOR KIDS TO WATCH !! | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/25/2008 5:09:37 PM | It is different in how people look at the sport cause they use cars but for the speed they drive in the conditions they drive you do need skills . I personally watch the F1 racing
and rally racing not just anyone one can do what they do so yes i do believe it is a sport | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/25/2008 5:37:55 PM | Racing is a Sport and Drivers are athletes, well, all except Nascar drivers that is. How can they be seriously considered athletes when they will only race in perfect conditions. If they can't race in the wet, then why bother...And watching them turn more than one direction in a race is a joke..
Formula 1 and WRC are real racing , in the wet or dry, turning both directions, changing gears (up to 100 times a lap) not "bumping" into each other, lack of yellow flags..pulling 5gs in different directions..the list goes on..
And yes I do race up to and including group 7 cars , have an ASN/FIA and SCCA licence
The NASCAR stuff is more of a joke, I don't hate Nascar just think its funny.. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:29:19 PM | Louis, I wouldn't call nascar a joke, I can't imagine any driver doing so. It's the same sport with different rules, and in some ways it's more demanding than F1.
Some nascar races last for more than twice the duration of most F1 races. Some races carry through larger track and ambient temperature changes due to day/night races, requiring tuning and driving adaptations to remain competetive. Night racing is also an additional visual challenge. The track banking and large radius 90 degree turns exposes the driver to significantly higher G forces for significantly longer periods of time than any F1 race condition, the drivers are at the very edge of passing out. Race start position is far more significant to the outcome in F1 allowing the driver to get away with more minor mistakes without losing a position.
I would expect any driver could appreciate those difficulties and differences, so I question your claim of actually being a driver. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:00:57 PM | | But they have to call off the whole shooting match if it rains !!! In F1 you just put on your rain tires and pray and hang on. And why do they not have any 24 hour races; is it because their fans could not stay up that long? | |
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