| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 1:16:30 PM | Anyone who does not think that Nascar is a sport needs to go to the Richard Petty Driving Experience and actually strap into one of these cars and race ! They will not take you to the top speed of close 200 mph but they will get you up to about 120 and you will see the forces and the skill that is needed to just get that car through those turns at those speeds without becoming part of the wall! These guys are in a near crash at every turn!! They have to push the envelope soooo much that it takes a person in great physical condition to complete a race! You are not driving like you are in your little YUGO. These guys are in a near death situation at all time s during the race! The cars get to be 110 degrees in that car for the entire race which goes on for several hours. You are not supposed to stay in a sauna for more than 10 minutes at that temperature. These guys are cooked and ready for the turkey dinner by the end of thre race. The pit crews are now re-cruited from other professional sports because they need people in top physical condition to complete the pit stops faster than the other teams.
Anyone who thinks that only ball players are playing a sport is stuck in the old days when that was all there was as far as sports go.
Hendricks has 45 engineers who are daily trying to find ways of making there team equipment better than the next guys. This is competition. Competition denotes sport! Sport is when teams are against one another while keeping score. Nascar has 35 teams against each other keeping score on who can complete the race at at faster rate!
The nay sayers say that it is boring to watch the cars go round in a circle. That's because they don't get into the entire environment of what is going on before, during and after a race. I personally don't like watching basketball. All they do is run up and down the court putting the ball in the little hoop...Whoopee. That is an example of what I am talking about. We are the only country in the world that has this much choice on what we want to be a part of when it comes to entertainment. Make your choices but don't chastise others for their decisions on what they want to watch and become a part of.
If you can't afford to get to a Richard Petty Driving Experience, go to a local public go-kart track and just get a taste of racing. You will see the forces that 45 miles per hour puts on you in tight turns.The ride will only be a few minutes.If you do that several times, you will be sore the next day. NOW...multiply that by 50 and you may be getting close to what a Nascar racer goes through during every race. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 3:15:48 PM | Jr. is doing everything possible to keep himself off the wall.He has a setup problem and needs to get it corected PRONTO! Maybe new tires will keep him from crashing!!What a SPORT!!!    | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 5:07:14 PM | | The sport does not key on whether people watching ot like it or not. A sport has to do with the people actually DOING IT!! Something deemed boring by one will be exciting to the next!! You have your choice. If ya don't like something ...don't watch it but don't screw with the people who love it!!! | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 5:10:40 PM | | Youre right lakeman. I love hockey but it's popularity is fleeting (partially due to poor marketing) I have 2 buddies that love NASCAR. It just doesnt appeal as much to me. Different tastes all. Obviously it requires great skill, knowledge ans teamwork. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 6:21:39 PM | | I changed to being a Nascar fan from being a die hard hockey fan but over the past few years they changed the hockey rules to much with trapizoids areas goaly can`t touch the puck,man next season the new rule in hockey is if someone breaks wind in nose bleed section they will call penalty for delay of game,I came to the sport of Nascar because it is exciting to me to watch 43 cars drive inches apart close to 200 mph like the tracks at Dega and Daytona. | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 7:26:59 PM | It is most definately a SPORT !!!
When you factor in all the people involved in the local short tracks, from not only the drivers, owners, and pit crews involved to the fans that support local short track auto racing...add them into all the people involved with major league auto racing in any form....I believe we have the makings of the #1 spectator sport in the US of A !!
Hell...Pennsylvania alone has at last count 61 tracks of some form of auto racing...
Of that number :
2 are asphalt road courses...
6 are drag raceways...
7 are asphalt ovals...
...and the rest are dirt ovals....
But yeah.....this isn't a sport.....believe that and I have a bridge in excellent condition to sell you...  | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 8:15:23 PM | | Okay...does having lots of speeding tickets qualify me for the discussion?....lol......and just todayI watched the movie Talladega Nights with my kid...and I thought the cars were pretty colors.....tee hee hee....(actually wouldn't recommend watching that one with ur kids lots of bad language and stuff..., but was so hillarious I couldn't stop laughing...) | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 8:59:00 PM | So because you believe that NASCAR isn't a sport...you go and lock down the "Nascar friends, too" thread ??? Sheeeeeesh....
One has nothing to do with the other.
The nascar friends thread did NOT have a valid thread topic. A review of the forum rules and posting guidelines will bear this out.
My expression of my own opinion as a user is seperate from my duties as a moderator, posts that are signed "pandy/moderator" are official, others are merely personal opinion.
My locking of another thread, however, has nothing to do with the topic of THIS thread, making your comments off topic. Please do read the rules to avoid violations and potential suspensions.
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 9:12:19 PM | So because you believe that NASCAR isn't a sport...you go and lock down the "Nascar friends, too" thread ??? Sheeeeeesh....
On a more personal note, the assumptions that I dislike nascar are quite wrong. While I'm not a huge fan, I have very much enjoyed the races that I've attended.
A dear friend of mine is the jack man for Ryan Newman, so I have seen my fair share of races from a really good perspective ... and I have a fairly good idea of what is involved in racing. That being said, I still do not consider it a "sport" as I define the word. 
If ya don't like something ...don't watch it but don't screw with the people who love it!!!
Thread topics (valid ones, anyway) ask for opinions. Giving my opinion doesn't constitute "screwing " with anyone, even if it's not an opinion that you agree with.
Competition denotes sport!
using that logic, both spelling Bs and wet T-shirt contests are sports, as well as your grandma's bake-off at the senior center. 
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 10:34:21 PM | ^ It annoys me to no end when **stardization of the language is given validity by dictionary publishers.
A dictionary from a few decades ago (which didn't also include "ain't" as a valid word) would have told you that "sport" denotes a competition in which physicalities are pitted with a specific set of parameters.
While I do recognize that drivers have to have a certain level of endurance, as they are not pitting physical skills against one another , I don't think it's fair to call it a sport... anymore than eating competitions are sports.
Competition? sure. Sport? NO, not in the unaltered sense of the word.
For the record, I don't consider poker, competiotion beer swilling, fishing, beauty pageants, canasta, or even competition shooting sports. If you can do it sucessfully
while you are 50 lbs. overweight, and out of shape, it's NOT a sport ...that's my opinion.
pandy........
While I do recognize that drivers have to have a certain level of endurance,
You really have know idea what your talking about "a certian level of endurance" now I think it's safe to say you have never driven a race car. I have...did it professionaly for three years and the physical endurance I went through was enormous. After a race I was drained physicaly and emotionally. And I was black and blue from throwing the car around a road course. Don't under estemate the physical level, endurance and the amount of training drivers have to do to race cars. Most pro drivers are some of the most fit men in the world. And just a question for you pandy what would you consider MOTOCROSS riders...... and I bet you didn't know that MOTOCROSS racing is considered the second most physical demanding sport in the world..... beleve it or not.
Mabey you should do a four hour race in the c0ckpit of a race car at 190 mph and heats up to 130 degrees......... but then you would probably hit the wall. Walk in the shoes of a race car driver then tell me that they need a "certian level of endurance"
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 11:07:50 PM | You really have know idea what your talking about "a certian level of endurance"
I rarely state opinions on things I'm completely unknowlegeable about.
I also don't get worked up over syntax ;)
now I think it's safe to say you have never driven a race car.
you know what they say about the word "assume", right?
I have...did it professionaly for three years and the physical endurance I went through was enormous. After a race I was drained physicaly and emotionally. And I was black and blue from throwing the car around a road course. Don't under estemate the physical level, endurance and the amount of training drivers have to do to race cars.
I'm not doubting the training and endurance that are required, but I've also seen some very out of shape people who described themselves as pros, and Richard Petty was still racing in his mid fifties, if I'm not mistaken...while I'm sure that many men that age are capable athletes, he didn't strike me as being particularly buff.
If you put the average driver up against his pit crew... chances are , the pit crew is going to be more fit. This is NOT a game which measures each competitor's God given physical ability, in my opinion, and that is what constitutes a SPORT for me
Most pro drivers are some of the most fit men in the world.
I just don't think this is accurate.
while I certainly won't disqualify nascar drivers as athletes. I don't think that being a driver makes you an athlete intrinsically.
And just a question for you pandy what would you consider MOTOCROSS riders......
again, a very valid competition, but not what I'd consider a true sport.
substitute a bicycle , which is propelled by the rider, and I would consider it such.
Thing is... I could give Barry Bonds my kids old bat, and he'll probably still put in a damn good performance.... but how would the best of nascar drivers do if they showed up for a race in my Focus?
and I bet you didn't know that MOTOCROSS racing is considered the second most physical demanding sport in the world..... beleve it or not.
some people might consider it a sport, I do not.
I happen to own a Suzuki dr-650 and tear up the dirt pretty frequently, so I'm quite aware of the bodily strength it takes to race motocross.... I still don't think that it is a legitimate sport when the competitors are dependant upon their machine rather than their physiology.
Mabey you should do a four hour race in the c0ckpit of a race car at 190 mph and heats up to 130 degrees......... but then you would probably hit the wall. Walk in the shoes of a race car driver then tell me that they need a "certian level of endurance"
Many different kinds of competitions around the world require varying levels of endurance and training to develop talents, but that does not a sport make, IMO.
...I'm sure I couldn't successfully navigate a race car at those speeds. I can't eat forty hot dogs at one sitting , either, but that doesn't make speed eating a sport ,does it?
I'm a little too seasoned in debate to swallow an "either/or fallacy". ;) | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/15/2007 11:47:08 PM |
you know what they say about the word "assume", right?
I'm not questioning if it's a sport or not. In my opinion it is very much a spot just as soccer is which I play for fun. I'm questioning your statment of "a certian level of endurence" and you can where blinders if you want but it's a fact that MOST!!!! not all pro race car driver's are some of the most fit men in the world. Follow auto racing of any type for a bit and I think you will see its true. And I'm very seasoned in autoracing and really don't want to debate with people that really have know idea what is envolved in the spot of autoracing. And I don't mean with a friend who knows someone get involved. Petty did race into his 50's and he is one of the "good old boys"
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/16/2007 12:16:01 AM | I could never understand how this could be called a sport. It dull and boring. Its like watching poker....that is not a sport to me either...these sports are like watching paint dry to me.
Sport should have some kind of ball or something just my opinion. I sure the Nascar fans wont like this as it appears to be huge in the states but oh well....i'd rather pick my nose that watch cars go around a track. BOOOOORRRRINNNNGGGGG> | |
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| Do you think Nascar can be considered a Sport?
Posted: 7/16/2007 12:30:10 AM | | pucks I was like you once before thought nascar was boring used to be die hard hockey fan but rules changed to much in hockey to many penalties now and if you fart to close to a hockey player now he takes a dive, I still watch my football CFL & NFL but nascar is my fav sport now along with the BC lions. | |
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