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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:02:07 PM | | Man 'o man, I can't believe there is so much moaning on this site about how hard it is for a guy to date a women, "how the women have all the power" ... Put on your man-boots and stop wining, complaining about women is a very unsexy attribute. Women don't have to justify why they do or don't pick men, why they have to respond to every half-descent or half-desperate man. It's called free-choice. Women have it no better off then men. Most of I talk to would happily go out with a man that simply know what he wants and doesn't take any hint of rejection as if the whole of woman-kind has ganged up against him. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:35:54 PM | >Women don't have to justify why they do or don't pick men, why they have to respond to >every half-descent or half-desperate man.
I must respectfully disagree. I believe women should have to explain themselves and their actions when asked. This belief stems from the fact that women seem to demand justification of a mans actions as well. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:39:14 PM | >believe me my education has nothing to do with impressing men. I'm getting one to better >myself.
Respectable. However i would like to add that if you do have a higher education it shows; and that often seems to impress men regardless of your wish to impress them or not. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 3:20:58 AM | AG man does make some points though...of course the women don't agree...lol.
THinka bout it...too...men are also more accepting of a woman's flaws as well. I have dated women with big noses, but hell if they have a nice ass, who cares about the big nose....that's one example of many.
A shallow person might turn that down. | |
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| About women in the dating world..
Posted: 2/10/2005 6:07:00 AM | ok i have to agree with redneck girl 1st off ....my opinion.. i think men suck., the relationship is good for 3 months, then it all starts to go downhill........like wtf.. why does this occur? do men lose interest in that certain woman?..........well in my past experiences iv had nothing but the bad guys all exept for one guy i guess i got scared and ran off for i wasnt used to being treated so good.. but anyway.. i never go fishing for a man with alot of money like who cares if he's broke perhaps hes fun to be with?! but cash is nice now and then but i do work for my money..  | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 7:14:22 AM | AG man, are you really blind to the total inequality around you? Let me tell you.
1. Women working in the exact same job are paid only 76 cents to the dollar a man earns. You bet companies like to hire women... they pay them much less!! But, in the male dominated fields (where the paid is good) ...she is at a major disavantage to get that job. And if she does get that job..she will not get the bonus and pay that the man working right next to her will get. She is more likely to be laid off than her male counter part, and is not going to get the promotion. Just look at the number of women in professional positions ... then look at the number in senior management. She will get far less from social security in retirement..so, the overwhelming majority of poor elderly are women!!
2. The courts do not help women where it counts. When a divorce occurs, she is likely to never receive any money regardless of the court decision. Look at the data... she falls into poverty while he sees his net income go up. Married after 26 years, by year 3, she is working barely above min. wage. WHY? Because she had to interupt her career for children, and now must take only jobs that let her be there when the children need someone.
3. Health insurance does NOT pay for women only health issues. Some examples: Yeast prevention products are not but viagia is. Heart disease in men have many many studies...women have none. Health care delivery is geared to men (white men ).. women don't have the same issues. Doctors aren't even trained to even recognize the signs of heart attack in women... (they are not even close to the same as in men).
4. Let talk rape and violence to women. A woman is assualted in the country every 16 minutes ... by a MAN. Usually one who knows her. Imagine if that was a statistic about black men.... it would have been fixed long before now. Yet, it continues year after year.
Show me anywhere else in this society where this treatment of a group is tolerated. Instead of women...image the exact same scenerio with a black man instead... you bet it would get huge attention and get fixed. Imagine a magazine with a picture of a black man nearly naked in chains.. that is how women are often depicted..... and MEN buy this stuff. that is why those publishers are in business... they only sell what they can make money at.
When a women is in trouble and needs help with the bills and child care, there is no help for her. She is made to feel small and useless.... but, if she fails from lack of support she will be condemned for it.
Finallly, our society is arranged for the man to be the husband and provider and the women to be wife and housekeeper. When that doesn't happen (which is extremely common) there is no support system for her. So, young women need to wake up and know that they MUST be totally sefl sufficient. Society will not make that easy for her. Part of that is to take control of any relationship that might lead to children... this will be HER burden to carry. Yes, in divorce there are great men out there who will support their children both emotionally and financially... but they are NOT common.
So, please. Don't make such statements until you check it out first. I can understand that men (especially young men) feel rejected and think that it is unfair. But, in the total game of life.. the women are going to have the much harder way of it. The smart ones know that they have to get their own caretaker. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 1:21:59 PM | Ok, I had to respond to this one, so full of faulty statistics, misperceptions, and outright lies as to be one of the most offensive things I've ever had the misfortune to read.
1. Women working in the exact same job are paid only 76 cents to the dollar a man earns. You bet companies like to hire women... they pay them much less!! But, in the male dominated fields (where the paid is good) ...she is at a major disavantage to get that job. And if she does get that job..she will not get the bonus and pay that the man working right next to her will get. She is more likely to be laid off than her male counter part, and is not going to get the promotion. Just look at the number of women in professional positions ... then look at the number in senior management. She will get far less from social security in retirement..so, the overwhelming majority of poor elderly are women!!
The wonderful 76 cents to the dollar statistic has been disproven so many times it's an affront to common sense every time it's quoted. The study that made this assumption purposely neglected to differentiate between full-time and part-time employees. Compared the salaries of CEO's to waitresses and never bothered to notice the length of time in the career. Every study since that has compared men and womens salaries based on same careers, length of time in career, and actual time spent working has shown that the difference at worst is 1-3 cents less per hour.
Also, since women tend to leave 7+ years longer than men and the population of elderly women grossly outnumbers the pop. of elderly men it's a given more of the elderly poor will be women. However more of the elderly rich are women than men as well.
2. The courts do not help women where it counts. When a divorce occurs, she is likely to never receive any money regardless of the court decision. Look at the data... she falls into poverty while he sees his net income go up. Married after 26 years, by year 3, she is working barely above min. wage. WHY? Because she had to interupt her career for children, and now must take only jobs that let her be there when the children need someone.
And yet another falsehood, courts are overwhelmingly biased in favor of women in divorces. It's a given that 90+% of all divorces favor the women and grant her the majority of the marital assets. As for the "DATA" those numbers do not take into account child/spousal support. Her income falls to the poverty level because she only CHOOSES to work the minimum amount possible since she still has her ex-husbands income to pay her bills. His "GROSS" income may go up simply because he now has to give half or more of that income to his ex-wife and subsist on the scraps left to him. That's why post-divorce quality of life reports show the ex-wives increasing to an all-time high while the ex-husband drops to suicidal levels.
3. Health insurance does NOT pay for women only health issues. Some examples: Yeast prevention products are not but viagia is. Heart disease in men have many many studies...women have none. Health care delivery is geared to men (white men ).. women don't have the same issues. Doctors aren't even trained to even recognize the signs of heart attack in women... (they are not even close to the same as in men).
How in the world can you say that 2 out of every 3 health care dollars spent in this country are spent on women. Breast cancer alone has more funding than the entire gamut of male only diseases. Statistically women have an extremely higher medical quality of service than men (proven by the simple fact that women live longer, have dozens of hospitals designed to treat women only, and yet spend little to nothing for this care)
4. Let talk rape and violence to women. A woman is assualted in the country every 16 minutes ... by a MAN. Usually one who knows her. Imagine if that was a statistic about black men.... it would have been fixed long before now. Yet, it continues year after year.
The 16 minute lie has been beaten to death so many times I'm not gonna bother responding to it again. The violence one however I've gotta touch that one. Have you read Deborah Capaldi's study from the Oregon Social Learning Center ? It shows (through actual physical observation of couples) how women are the PRIMARY initiators of domestic violence. Capaldi's and her co-workers' research, slated for publication in the Journal of Family Violence, found that women age 18 were more than four times as likely as men to initiate physical aggression. The gap closed by age 26, when women were only slightly more likely than men to tee off.
Show me anywhere else in this society where this treatment of a group is tolerated. Instead of women...image the exact same scenerio with a black man instead... you bet it would get huge attention and get fixed. Imagine a magazine with a picture of a black man nearly naked in chains.. that is how women are often depicted..... and MEN buy this stuff. that is why those publishers are in business... they only sell what they can make money at.
When a women is in trouble and needs help with the bills and child care, there is no help for her. She is made to feel small and useless.... but, if she fails from lack of support she will be condemned for it.
Finallly, our society is arranged for the man to be the husband and provider and the women to be wife and housekeeper. When that doesn't happen (which is extremely common) there is no support system for her. So, young women need to wake up and know that they MUST be totally sefl sufficient. Society will not make that easy for her. Part of that is to take control of any relationship that might lead to children... this will be HER burden to carry. Yes, in divorce there are great men out there who will support their children both emotionally and financially... but they are NOT common.
So, please. Don't make such statements until you check it out first. I can understand that men (especially young men) feel rejected and think that it is unfair. But, in the total game of life.. the women are going to have the much harder way of it. The smart ones know that they have to get their own caretaker.
Bull**it.
Women (especially the so called feminists) have been pulling the victim card for so long to get perks, special treatment, reduced responsibility for their actions that it's become a joke trying to debate these issues. Laws, government handouts, legal precedents and simple weight of lies have made this country bend over backwards to give women every possible handout whatsoever. I have met so many women who have been handed a place to live, food, cash, free passes to break laws simply by playing their victim card (or choosing to get knocked up and then kicking the child's father to the curb cuz the government will give her so much more than he can if she get's rid of him)
Next time you decide to open your mouth trying opening your ears first. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 2:46:52 PM | Regardless of what the court awards... she does not get the money.
hey... go look up the stats...
NEXT TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH... OPEN YOUR MIND FIRST | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 9:29:40 PM | Money, it's always about the money with women.
She get's every dime that she can take (not to mention, the house, the car, the kids, etc)
My mind is open, I'm just keeping my wallet closed from now on.
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Posted: 2/10/2005 10:17:56 PM | Interesting points, However i believe we have gotten off topic a bit.
As for the Pay wages, the only time i can find when women were paid less was during the 1950's.
As for divorce, The only sites i have found complaining about divorce mostly contain men stating how "they got the shaft". many of the women on the sites agree that it is the men who have gotten the shaft as well. I have even found an informative website detailing on how some women, while married, would get pregnant by another man and have his baby all the while the husband though the baby was one of his own.
With that said i would like to resume the topic at had. Also for those of you to whom i have responded, i would like to ask you to answer my questions to you. for those who respond to my responses i would like to say thank you. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 10:37:27 PM | | Here is my question for you AG man. If this is what you truly think of women, why on earth are you on a dating site looking to meet them? | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 11:47:14 PM | Ah ha. White Western women are the most protected group of individuals on the face of this planet. The wage gap is a commonly known "myth" that inspires hatred amongst men and women who just don't realize they took a group of women who work 35 hours a week and compared them to men who work 60 hours a week with years of education backing their positions. They also included men who've worked 40 years for the same company and compared them with women who just got hired and the local convenience store.. 92% of job related fatalities are males - due to men occupying these hazardous high paying jobs. When given the choice, 4 out of 5 women choose "flexible hours" over "higher pay." The real truth is women and men from 27-32 with no children earn the same amount of money. Women often surpass men for working less hours for the same paid salary job.
If what you claim is true, I'd fire all of my employee's and hire women only. I'd be getting a great deal right? Wrong. It's a myth and you and John Kerry should study it. (Do a key word search for "gender wage gap myth")
Secondly - domestic violence, yes they want you to believe women are abused but the true statistics are:
A. Of parents that kill their children, over 70% are women
B. Women initiate over 50% of domestic abuse, and throw the first punch. what is overlooked is men rarely complain when his GF or wife suckers him in the mouth.
Your claim that you have years to go before you become "men" in your quest to equality is an illusion. The scales of equality are so far in your favor that men are now oppressed, used, and enslaved.
Get your facts straight before you preach your feministic crap.
If you do your homework, you’ll find more and more guys who really know what’s going on in the world. And BTW, those comments you made were inspired by man hating feminists who have one agenda: to enslave men, and destroy the family unit. And if enough of you wake up, you’ll see they done a d*mn good job at making it happen. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2005 11:56:06 PM |
craiggie. Message: Man 'o man, I can't believe there is so much moaning on this site about how hard it is for a guy to date a women, "how the women have all the power" ... Put on your man-boots and stop wining, complaining about women is a very unsexy attribute. Women don't have to justify why they do or don't pick men, why they have to respond to every half-descent or half-desperate man. It's called free-choice. Women have it no better off then men. Most of I talk to would happily go out with a man that simply know what he wants and doesn't take any hint of rejection as if the whole of woman-kind has ganged up against him.
"Ignorance is bliss"
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Posted: 2/11/2005 12:06:26 AM |
saritamiami
Really! Well, last I looked, rich men preferred going out with gorgeous, rich women, rather than gorgeous, poor women. People do notice finances. If rich women had warts on their noses or couldn't afford to get plastic surgery to look great, I could understand it, but that's not the case.
Back your claims with facts and statistics. A. I'm self-made rich. B. If a woman is rich from earned money she is thus likely well educated and thus argumentative.
Several feminist authors pump out statistics that 8 out of 10 women "marry up" while men usually marry down for this reason:
"They want a life mate who can successfully raise his offspring."
Not an argumentative career oriented b*tch.
And to give you a statistic, women with higher IQ's have significantly less chances of getting married.
Hmmmm. Wonder why. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2005 12:16:52 AM |
There was a time (during my grandparents' time, or my parents') when a man wanted a woman whom he could control, someone subordinate to him.
\Balony, these good women of your grandmothers era worked 10 times harder to maintain the existance of their family. they didn't have time to self indulge in the nonsense of "never being happy." As far as that generation, it's the last one in the western world were men were men, and women were women, and thus divorce free.
However, nowadays, men want a woman who brings EVERYTHING to the marriage: beauty, money, power, prestige. This is a sign of materialism, but it's also a sign that men want more than just looks. The woman no longer can get by on just looks, like in the past. Those days are long gone. Now a beautiful woman had better get her butt to college if she's going to catch a nice guy. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen and a woman who wants to be able to compete, has to bring potential to the table. She has to have a great education, a great career, a super salary, and, if at all possible, money.
Thats outright balony. Women think they need to bring all of those superficial things to the table because feminism taught them that being "mothers" was comparable to slavery.
Many of these same women reach the age of 30, and wonder why they havent landed a guy, only to learn their 15 year b*tch party isn't going to work anymore. They then suck in a "niceguy," divorce hiim, take half his assets, and move on to the next victim.
Twisting the blame because men want these qualities in a woman is an outright lie.
The media has done a good job on you. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2005 12:21:05 AM | "Lhasalove(d408680)
I never ask men what they do for a living when we first meet. And that is because I don't care what they do. I either like them for who they are, or i don't like them. And I don't care if they have a car."
This may be specific to you, but in reality it reflects the concerns 100% of women who are ready to settle down and raise a family.
Again, your opinion does not have any relevance to the real world. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2005 12:39:21 AM | >Here is my question for you AG man. If this is what you truly think of women, why on earth >are you on a dating site looking to meet them?
As per my observations this is how most women are in American society. I will admit however that not all women behave this way. As was stated i may have a "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome and am willing to accept that some of my observations could be wrong. However i would like to be told why i am wrong and what the "real deal is".
As for dating i currently have two options. 1) not look for anyone and be alone forever. or 2) look for someone and have the possibility of finding someone i could share my life with.
I was lucky once in finding a girl who i believe we could have lived a life together. She like i had few emotions and we had much in common. Unfortunately i have survived her
I do take accept in the fact that i have a chance of succeeding in the dating world. I have friends both male and female and both tell me that despite my emotions i do bring something "to the table". In the previous statement i had asked for total honesty about that topic and believe i have received a completely honest response. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2005 1:21:31 AM | Wow, I never expected to find such bitterness on a dating site, but then I didn't expect a dating site to have a forum either. Anyways, I just signed up out of curiosity and this is the first thread I read, and now I just have to add my 2 cents.
I think both sides are bitter. Women do have the advantage when they are young and good looking. If they are not then it is more difficult for them. 6'2" is also a little extreme, I am only 5'9" and I don't think my height has been much of an issue, but then again I only have my life to compare it to!
Men have the advantage in that it is socially acceptable for them to initiate things, while women generally feel they have to wait for whoever comes along. As a man you can go out and chat up and try to get #'s from 100 attractive women in a day if you want to. You certainly will not get them all to give you their digits but even if 10% of them did, that is a choice of 10 women you can call later. In other words this is how a guy can turn the tables and get to be the chooser. If you are too much of a wuss to do that then that is your problem.
Truth is different women like all sorts of different types of men, and it can even be the way they smell that attracts them to you. There are trends, like taller and darker, but unless you are short, fat and ugly you will at least get a few interested if you know how to talk to women.
Here are some of my thoughts for anyone who cares what I may think-
Oh boy, is it worth a free drink when you spend the evening turning down men who want to use you for a half an hour for sex?
Why do you assume they only want you for sex? Not all guys are like this. Oh, and I have had women use ME, a guy, for sex in the past.
The vast majority of domestic violence is by men against women. We have a ways to go yet before equity
This is feminist B.S. The vast majority of domestic violence is done by psychopaths, or personality disordered people against their significant other, not by men against women. Not all men are like Scott Peterson, just like all women are not like Lorenna Bobbit. Women are just as likely to be Narcissists or have a personality disorder as men are, and I know from experience that women with a personality disorder can go into a rage and hit a man or throw things at him with little provocation, but usually men will never report this for various reasons.
92% of job related fatalities are males - due to men occupying these hazardous high paying jobs probably true, but lets face it-men are generally more attracted to "dangerous" jobs, like fireman, cop, pilot, etc. than women are. I, for one, don't see many young women fantacize about going to war and shooting people and blowing things up. Look at who plays those kinds of video games for proof. Now a beautiful woman had better get her butt to college if she's going to catch a nice guy. If she is going to catch an intelligent guy. People generaly like others with a similar level of intelligence, myself included. And to give you a statistic, women with higher IQ's have significantly less chances of getting married.
Hmmmm. Wonder why.
Now this sounds like the women b*tch session. It is also difficult for a man with a high I.Q. to find a woman that interests him enough to consider marriage. People generally can relate best to people of similar intelligence. I personally am interested in a woman who has similar interests-as in likes to read, can discuss interesting topics with me, likes the outdoors, art, etc. In other words, someone who is as nerdy as I am! If you want to go by I.Q., most people can relate to those best when they are within 10 points of each other. For instance, if you have a 155 I.Q., there is only about a one in a thousand chance of you finding someone of even 10 points lower. Of course, if you hang out in a university town the chances increase somewhat. bottom line-there are a-holes and b*tche$ of both genders- don't let those losers embitter you to the entire gender or you will never be happy. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2005 1:49:51 AM | An interesting and well worded statement Marcopolo9442.
I would still like to know how i come off as "bitter" though.
Also, if you don't mind my asking, in my post are most/any of my observations true in your experience? | |
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