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I'm used to conservative girls.....liberal ones are a little too free spirited for this Scorpio man. | |
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Jivin
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Msg: 127 | |
| Would you actually date a Liberal/Progressive?
Posted: 2/22/2005 2:14:46 AM | | Good point. Dont date a liberal woman unless youre secure with your ability to hold onto them. The trick is to let them believe that if they leave youll find someone better. | |
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Jivin
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Msg: 129 | |
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| Would you actually date a Liberal/Progressive?
Posted: 2/22/2005 6:45:34 AM | | I would date a liberal/progressive woman. I find it admirable when a woman has political views, if she wants to have them although she doesn't have to if she doesn't want to. | |
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Jivin
| | Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 132 | |
| Would you actually date a Liberal/Progressive?
Posted: 2/22/2005 8:16:46 AM | | I think its pretty easy for two people of opposite sides of the political fence to date assuming: 1-neither of them are nut-case extremist in their belief and 2-they dont make it a point to bring it up as a convo piece. Same thing goes with religion. | |
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| Would you actually date a Liberal/Progressive?
Posted: 2/22/2005 9:00:30 AM | Sidh, you're fighting a losing battle. Trying to get Seal to even consider an alternative viewpoint is kind of like nailing diarrhea to the wall - it can't be done.
Don't stress over it, there are some people who are so fixed in their shallow little world of narrow tunnel-vision that even if they had first hand proof-positive evidence, they would still fail to consider the possbility that they may be wrong. Consider creationists from instance; there are still an enormous amount of people out there that believe the earth is no more than 6000 years old, and that the fossil record is some enormously clever and fantastically hidden conspiracy by archaeologists and darwinists from all over the world. And of course, that makes far more sense than reams and reams of hard scientific data.
As to the topic? Sure I would date a conservative why not, if you like someone who really cares about their political affiliation? I have plenty of friends who voted for the now-defunct Reform Party up here in Canada - and believe me, Preston Manning made Bush look like a dirt hippy. I think the only time someone's views would get in the way of my attraction to them, is in regards to Creationism. I could not date someone who actually bought that crap, and I would probably get my ass dumped after beating them over the head with a book on evolutionary biology. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2005 4:11:22 PM |
i have absolutely zero tolerance for prejudice, bigotry, and any position that's based on hate. i do think that says a lot about me.
I guess a position based on hate is only acceptable when you're the one with the hatred. The very attributes you display toward me you say you have no tolerance for, I'd agree that says a lot about you. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2005 10:00:32 PM | I doubt that it's truly hate or hatred that she feels for you as she doesn't even know you as a person. More likely she's experiencing utter repulsion and disgust for how you've presented yourself and your views. Kind of like feces.
But who knows, this is all supposition, I guess only Sid truly knows how she feels. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2005 12:33:00 PM | the statement you made above is incredibly moronic. hate groups like the kkk have always used the freedoms they have in this country to try to infringe upon the rights of others. when anybody objects, they claim prejudice. savor the irony
What is ironic is that this is the exact same tactic homosexuals use to claim prejudice and intolerance, even to the point of trying to draw a parallel with race crimes. Totally absurd really...
You have merely clarified that hatred is acceptable as long as it's your hatred for what you see as wrong. When it comes to the ideologies of others, it's clear that you feel they are simply deserving of your hatred and personal attacks.
The hypocrisy and quality of your character is noted... | |
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Posted: 2/23/2005 12:47:04 PM | Ah... I've heard this from an Ex-friend who decided to go Nazi. He said
I was ignorant for my hatred of his hate.... what a fk'ing loser he was.
There is a big differnece between being against bigoted and/or racist a$$holes
and being a bigot yourself. Apparently some people have no clue. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2005 1:25:21 PM | Hey I'm really curious Watchman. I've read over your posts and your obvious distaste for homosexuals. Now, I'm not going to argue over whether it's right or wrong how you feel. I feel one way, you feel the other, nothing is going to change that.
But I am curious, in one of your posts, you mentioned that there is absolutely zero proof that homosexuality is a biological trait and that it is rather a learned behaviour (or something along those lines).
Now, I'm wondering, you said that you had a degree in engineering, well, I then assume that you're familiar with what a "Law" is, such as the law of gravity, etc. There is no proof that gravity exists, likewise there is no such proof that neutrinos or many sub-atomic particles exist. Similarly, there really isn't any proof that quantum forces exist either, or dark matter, or dark energy, and on and on and on. Pretty much what we have are sets of mathematical proofs describing a behaviour of a system or set of systems that have yet to fail in the calculated behaviour. Pretty much, we don't have anything to disprove them. But as an engineer, I'm sure that you believed in gravity and London Displacement Forces, and all those other things.
So given that there exists reams of research papers out there pointing to the very real probability (and yes we are speaking in terms of mathematical probability) that there is a biological determinant for sexuality, I wonder why you refuse to even consider this possibility.
There are numerous scientists (yes scientists, not just psychologists) who are pursuing the so-called 'gay gene' and have even found a set 54 genes within mice, which are statistically significant in pointing to a correlation to a hardwiring of sexual preference prior to birth (and before you point to inter-species research, it seems good enough for most people when requiring a drug prescription). There are neurobiologists studying the anatomical mass of certain sub-cortical structures in schizophrenic patients who are finding that some of their results may have a link to homosexuality as well. There are endocrinologists studying hormonal fluctuations and exposures during pre-natal periods and the link that this may have to sexual determination, and on an on. We've already found out that certain synthetic hormones can wreak havoc with the development of the sexual organs in fetuses, and that these hormones also impact the proliferation and determination of pioneer neurons in the developing fetus as well. I could go on, but most people can access JStor or some other on-line archive of scientific and academic journals (and I don't mean trash like scientific american or Discovery or any of those 'popular' journals).
The evidence is not conclusive, that is for sure, but it is weighing in heavily on one side. I'm not asking you to change your mind watchman, I'm just really wondering how someone who comes from a rigourous scientific background of objectivity, someone who was taught to believe in Occam's Razor, someone who, as an engineer, should have been taught that the Scientific Method is flawed, but still a lot more reliable than theological doctrine, how someone like that could not maybe entertain the idea, that maybe the jury isn't in yet, and that maybe those researchers are on to something?
Just curious. I'm not trying to rile anyone up, I'm more interested in your reasoning behind this. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2005 1:55:11 PM | Some people clearly have no clue, unless of course the entire civilized world one day decides to agree on who is an @sshole and who isn't. Otherwise you're just being intolerant toward people based on their viewpoints, which is the exact same thing that people who are advocating conservative viewpoints are doing.
You can't have it both ways....
@fellowdownstairs
The evidence is not conclusive, that is for sure
That is exactly the point, there is NO conclusive evidence there is any biological connection between the choice of being a homosexual and the choice of not acting on such abnormal thoughts.
Let's take this a step further, procreation cannot occur in a homosexual relationship. There ARE conclusive studies that prove pro-creation is one of the main functions/objectives of intelligent life.
Notwithstanding the above points, the gay movement's means and methods by which they preach tolerance of their abnormal behavior is reprehensible, yet in the same breath they condone hatred towards those that disagree with their views | |
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Jivin
| | Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 143 | |
| Would you actually date a Liberal/Progressive?
Posted: 2/23/2005 2:14:25 PM |
That is exactly the point, there is NO conclusive evidence there is any biological connection between the choice of being a homosexual and the choice of not acting on such abnormal thoughts.
I'd say there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to prove that it is mostly if not completely biological. If you think that someone chooses to have tendencies that lead them to live a lifestyle that ends up alienating them from their families, the church, most if not all of their friends, and a good chunk of society, you're fooling yourself. It's simply EASIER to believe that this is a choice because it's easier. To believe otherwise, you'd have to start questioning your faith, and traditional American rationale on the matter. It's simply more than you can bear to accept. I know too many gay and straight people and see no pattern in terms of either being 'lazier,' 'less disciplined,' or 'more rebellious' than the other. They are who they are.
Let's take this a step further, procreation cannot occur in a homosexual relationship. There ARE conclusive studies that prove pro-creation is one of the main functions/objectives of intelligent life.
There are conclusive studies that we are overpopulating this world. Pollution, greenhouse effect, deterioration of natural environments, depletion of world's natural resources, mercury levels in our oceans...If we look at the bigger picture, the more of us there are the more our hedonistic lifestyle overtakes the planet. If you are so sold on 'procreation' than I assume you don't mind termites or ant colonies infesting your house? | |
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Posted: 2/23/2005 2:22:24 PM | I'm not really interested in who is being intolerant about what, we can point the finger all day at everyone who wanders by. I'm intolerant of people who choose to pursue Commerce and Business as an actual degree, blah blah blah. I'm more interested in the rational you use in completely discounting the mounting research results. As I said the results are not conclusive, but they are starting to paint a more discernable picture. The evidence for gravity is not conclusive either as I stated, but you believe in that.
As I stated earlier, there really is no such thing as absolute proof in most scientific research, there is only the inability to disprove something. And when comparing research results, the only papers that argue in favour of homosexuality as a learned behaviour, or a choice, are pretty much very dated papers that are now considered to be heavily biased and not the least bit scientific (or they originate from those neo-freudians who are pretty much discounted as being quacks anyway).
Let's take this a step further, procreation cannot occur in a homosexual relationship. .
True.
There ARE conclusive studies that prove pro-creation is one of the main functions/objectives of intelligent life.
Please provide references. Because as far as I know, there is no such study titled: "An Empirical Analysis of the Causal Correlates Linking Intelligence as a Primary Determinant of Intent to Procreat: A Panel Data Approach". That's a joke. I know what you are talking about, but there again, you use the word CONCLUSIVE these papers are not conclusive, and in fact they reside almost exclusively in the domain of Behavioural Studies (both scientific and social), which is well known for only being able to provide 'at best' results given some a priori level of probability. So these are far from conclusive.
However, as someone who fully believes in evolution (although I think Darwinism could use some revisions), I do believe that even without proof positive evidence, one of the prime motives of life is pass on our genes to a next generation. Which is probably why homosexuals still have these urges to have children of their own, even though they have no urge to copulate with members of the opposite sex. The problem is that you are confusing the urge to f*ck (to be crude) with the urge to produce offspring. These urges rarely go hand in hand. The actions are mutually inclusive of course (ignoring in vitro, etc.), but the urges...nope.
So, once again, I'm wondering from a RATIONAL standpoint, how can you, as someone trained in the scientific method, discount the POSSIBILITY, that sexual orientation may be biological. I wouldn't ask this of BVM or any of the others who share a similar view with you, because as far as I know, they don't have a scientific background. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2005 4:01:35 AM | .
Good Job Jivin. Now you just need to use the “'” in a contraction. No don't worry she is not in labor, we are talking spelling. (That was a joke do not run with it!)
I see the problem this way. For some reasons the Liberals and the Conservatives see each other as mortal enemies. This is not the way it should be. Some times each side has good and bad points. I my self have voted many times across party lines. I want what is best for my country.
There was a web site that had a test to determine just how open minded a person really is. It was out of Duke University. (Yes I know they are some what conservative.) But I found out the outcome was really truthful. I will find it and post it on a new forum here. It also explained on how the program determined the result. It was over 40 questions and most of them hit home on both sides of the fence.
It also seems to be a bone of contention that Fox News is a huge sore in both the Liberal and Conservative arena. What is it about Fox News? What upsets so many people. It is the fastest growing news cable/satellite channel ever. If FOX News was telling nothing but lies I do not think it would be growing at its current percentage rate. Currently FOX has both Liberal and Conservative view points. I actually like it quite well. One of the best shows on Fox is Hannity & Colmes. It is sometimes funny to see a Conservative and a Liberal go at it.
I have read all of the posts on this thread and I find it sad that people go after one another with a vengeance. It would have been nice if it turned into a 100% discussion forum. But many parts of it turned in to a bashing forum. Why is that? Why does it need to be?
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Jivin
| | Joined: 2/10/2005
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Posted: 2/24/2005 6:52:35 AM | | I wasnt here when the bashing started so I cant say why or how it started. But I do know that when I first joined the forum, this it the first 'current events' thread I found. This thread seriusly throws all liberals into a single generlized line of thinking, so I responded in kind. I don't find myself always thinking liberally in fact my economic beliefs fall more into a conservative category. I always considered myself a moderate until i realized that, on average, I get far more annoyed hearing a conservative babble on about their beliefs than I do a liberal, who I tend to agree with far more. That's when it occurred to me that i really was more of a liberal--though I'm not the tree-hugging type that wont eat meat and believes that every criminal is really a victim of society and needs to be treated with hugs, kisses and Barbra Streisand movies instead of being punished. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2005 12:14:12 PM | Here is some information I think everybody should know, it is the injustice of the government in this newsletter.
The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote next week on a bill that would further President Bush's faith-based program for government-funded religion. The bill would allow organizations that receive our tax dollars to discriminate against employees on the basis of their religion. An amendment to restore civil rights protections is expected to be introduced by Rep. Bobby Scott of Virginia. This civil rights amendment should be supported.
Act Now to Urge Congress to Oppose Government-Funded Religious Discrimination!
The proposed legislation would jeopardize civil rights and religious freedom because it would roll back protection against discrimination or misuse of government funds by religious organizations. For the first time ever, it would allow religious organizations involved in federal job training programs to discriminate according to religion when hiring staff for these taxpayer-funded services.
Non-profits -- whether religious or secular -- that provide taxpayer-funded services currently need to obey federal hiring guidelines. Under this proposal, religious non-profits would be able to hire individuals only from their particular regligion to provide thse taxpayer-funded services. For example, a highly qualified social worker might be rejected because she "wasn't the right kind of Christian" to work on a job training program.
Last Congress, similar attempts at relgious discrimination were beaten back thanks to the emails and letters sent by ACLU Action Network activists. We need to let Congress know that we are still standing strong against religious discrimination and do not want this legislation to pass unless critical civil rights protections are restored.
Click here for more information and to take action:
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17427&c=29 | |
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Posted: 2/24/2005 12:29:38 PM | .
jaymthegenius ;
If the ACLU is working on it I am sure there is something fishy. The ACLU is no longer the organization that is used to be. I will look in to this and get back to you.
What ever you do, do not believe everything the ACLU tells you.
BTW the subject you posted has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. It seems to be a Bush bashing topic. Nothing more. I am sorry for having to point that out to you.
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Posted: 2/24/2005 12:32:39 PM |
One of the best shows on Fox is Hannity & Colmes. It is sometimes funny to see a Conservative and a Liberal go at it.
I wouldn't call that a good example of equal Conservative & LIberal views.
Its more like Hannity being the schoolyard bully and Colmes is the sissy.
I'd love someone to show me an example on that show where Colmes put the
smack down on Hannity rather than visa-versa. Anyone? Anyone? Didn't think so.
The only Liberal to ever give Hannity his due was Jon Stewart.
Sorry, but you aren't convincing my that show is fair and balanced. | |
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