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Posted: 4/18/2006 4:02:38 PM | | Yes but now with DNA testing and paternity tests, woman can now have fun again....Yay!! | |
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Posted: 4/18/2006 10:15:19 PM | Sex itself is not bad, in fact it is promoted. Go forth and be fruitfull, and or be fruitfull and multiply were things told to us from God. So I say again, it is not sex that is bad, but they way in which we take for granted the feelings and emotions of others when we have sex with them just for the sake of sex. Lifes are ruined, and families torn apart in the name of one night stands, or meaningless affairs that carry on in the name of sexuall appitite. Lifes are conceived and taken away just as fast because a male and a female had sex but were not willing to accept the consecuences of their actions. Blaa, blaaa, blaaa. I think you get the drift.
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Posted: 6/21/2006 2:14:44 AM | Brecca you know how to get it going...sheesh...
Blue...you are bad....although brecca you can't hve my batteries LOL | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 10:51:07 AM | It was just another control gimmick. To keep the men in power over the women and make them feel guilty over their want of women. You are only powerful(By their way of thinking)if you are keeping someone down. Back in those days you couldn't really travel too far, too fast, so it was unheard of to keep down an entire nation like we do now. The church has no choice but to change as the people get smarter and realise we ARE ALL created equally whether it was by some god, or whatever lifeforce exists. If they didn't start becoming flexable, they'd lose followers and eventually die. Here in the Timestream, if you can't adapt, it's see'ya time!  | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 12:52:50 PM | Sex has an incredible power in it that frightens most mens ego and that is at the time of orgasim a person goes into a state of deep meditation just for a second the mind stops and bam! you are in a state of meditation. This is the first time most men are not in control egotiscally, so they both love the experience and hate it. This experience of meditation is purely feminine in its energetic orientation meaning that it happens without mental controls placed on. This out of control felling while wildy pleasurable can be quite terrifying if it isn't controlled one might egoically assume that you would turn into a wild animal, running around doing anything for sex. While on the surface this looks true, if one inquires just a bit deeper they find that it isn't. Sex energy is where we came from ever single one of us was created from sex no exceptions. Yet from the day we have our first sexual feeling we accosted with shame,this shame forces us to lie to oursleves about our feelings but this shame has an inverse effect. The repression from shame causes us to pervert our feelings, because sex energy cannot be destroyed it must be transformed, and unfortunately we use shame as the tool of transformation, hence we pervert our own sexuality. If we could be loving towards our sexual energy, it blossoms and is of benefit to our lives. Notice however that the shame creates the perversion, so in essence it is the attempted control of sex that has perverted it. Now that sex has been perverted it is easy to say "look at the wickedness of sex" but the people that are saying that are responsible for the perversion in the first place.
Secondly and this plays a role as well, is mankinds ridculous need to immitate their deities. Jesus was celebate I should be celebate as well, or Mohammed or Buddha or whomever. This is one of mankinds greatest faillings is to immitate that which they don't understand. If a person BECOMES celebate they have positvely transformed their sexual energies. If a person tries to be celebate they are hurting themselves at the basest of levels. Sexual repression is a sort violence against ones body, it is a constant moral struggle with something that doesn't understand morals in the first place, your body. This is will create a conflict inside you, it becomes You vs. your own body, it is once again a castle at war with itself, which as Jesus said is doomed.
So what to do, don't judge, don't condemn. enjoy your body it is a beautiful creation filled with many wonders. Don't repress, express in a heathly safe comfortable way that brings joy to your life. Only you can determine what that is, be a light unto yourself. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 8:08:20 PM | Zen, great post...
Sex has an incredible power in it that frightens most mens ego and that is at the time of orgasim a person goes into a state of deep meditation just for a second the mind stops and bam! you are in a state of meditation. This is the first time most men are not in control egotiscally, so they both love the experience and hate it. This experience of meditation is purely feminine in its energetic orientation meaning that it happens without mental controls placed on.
Wow! Interesting perspective. It certainly speaks to a need for some men to get in touch with their feminine side. As well, you have offered a reason, possibly, as to why a male dominated religion would view sex and sexuality as something to be feared…. Hence, the sin reference.
This out of control felling while wildy pleasurable can be quite terrifying if it isn't controlled one might egoically assume that you would turn into a wild animal, running around doing anything for sex.
Ah, yeah… I think I dated him once.
Secondly and this plays a role as well, is mankinds ridculous need to immitate their deities. Jesus was celebate I should be celebate as well, or Mohammed or Buddha or whomever. This is one of mankinds greatest faillings is to immitate that which they don't understand. If a person BECOMES celebate they have positvely transformed their sexual energies. If a person tries to be celebate they are hurting themselves at the basest of levels.
Someone on another thread alluded to the stories Armageddon as being brought on by the church in order that the holy can get to their heaven sooner. While that person was referencing wars (if I remember correctly), it did make sense so I did a bit of research and presto!… Abhorrence of sex gave way to Christian fathers insisting that the kingdom of god couldn’t be established until the human race was allowed to die out through universal celibacy.
? Early Christian writer, Marcion announced that all propagation must be abandoned at once.
? St Jerome ordered: “Regard everything as poison which bears within it the seed of sensual pleasure.”
? St Athanasius declared the great revelation and blessing brought by Jesus was knowledge of the saving grace of chastity.
? Tertullian said chastity was “a means whereby a man will traffic in a mighty substance of sanctity,” whereas the sex act rendered even marriage “obscene”.
? St. Augustine said sexual intercourse is never sinless, even within marriage.
? St Augustine got this doctrine from Gnostic Manicheans, to whose sect he belonged before his conversion to orthodoxy.
? Gnostics taught that souls are entrapped in flesh by “the mystery of love and lust, through which all the worlds are inflamed.” This teaching probably came from ascetic Jain buddhist yogis, who enjoined the same precept as the First Book of John.
? The First Book of John: “Love not the world, neither things that are in the world… for all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father.”
So, in order to acquire the kingdom of god, the early church deemed sex “obscene” even between married couples. No wonder within the same text that many claim to be one of unquestionable wisdom and love, there is so much anti-sex language, fear mongering and threats of eternal damnation if enjoyment of ones (or someone else’s) naughty bits is experienced. There appears to have been a movement afoot to wipe out the human race. Boy, memories of Jonestown and Waco come to mind.
The above is not meant to condemn a good book, for there is some good stuff in there. However, I think that accepting it’s word literally has already proven fatal. .. but that’s just my opinion
Sexual repression is a sort violence against ones body, it is a constant moral struggle with something that doesn't understand morals in the first place, your body. This is will create a conflict inside you, it becomes You vs. your own body, it is once again a castle at war with itself, which as Jesus said is doomed.
I like your thought that sexual repression is a sort of violence against ones body and I fully agree with it. And before folks jump on the AIDs and unplanned pregnancy bandwagon… we’re discussing how sex has been turned into a sin, that includes healthy, responsible sex. In support of this, Zen, R.E.L. Masters states “Almost the entire blame for the hideous nightmare that was the witch mania, and the greatest part of the blame for poisoning the sexual life of the West, rests squarely on the Roman Catholic Church.” Certainly, Protestantism can be included, as there was no institution in western culture other than Christianity that made any effort to teach human beings to hate or fear sex. Wow.
So what to do, don't judge, don't condemn. enjoy your body it is a beautiful creation filled with many wonders. Don't repress, express in a healthy safe comfortable way that brings joy to your life. Only you can determine what that is, be a light unto yourself.
Ok. If you insist.
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Posted: 6/21/2006 11:16:34 PM |  @ Breaca When I get a man you can have 'em until then buy your own... | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 11:36:19 PM | Now on a serious note to be on topic lol
I think that the christian religions and society has done exactly that. We are taught that we are the "sin" in a way because of what it states in the bible, I think someone quoted it up earlier. I think that is just plain azz wrong. And that as girls grow up we are not taught in ways to enjoy our body in the ways of sex-a womans body is a tad more complicated to "explore" in that sense then a mans is-, as is a boy has magazines galor to read not to mention that older brothers and older friends might be willing to offer "advice" -did over hear a conversation like that when I was a teenager between my brother and his friend. His friend was telling him to "do it this way, it would feel different". Well I do not know about other woman out there, but I never was taught anything like that and never saw nudy mags for me to read... It was trial and error and oh well if I picked a guy who didn't know his dik from his hand... or if he was of the selfish nature.
Is mass sex with everybody ok? Well take some responisibility...if you are married and you and your spouse say "only sex with each other" then I guess that is a NO. On the flip of that if you are married and you two have an "Open" relationship then you have to be responsible about it. And that would include with whom you pick to do it with...do they have a spouse or s/o to consider? IF so is said spouse or s/o on board? If not then that is not a wise choice.
It is all about responisiblity in my eyes....you just do not go pick any Tom Dik or Harry to have a fling with. If a fling is what you want be a little more choosy in who you pick as they have poeple in there life that could be hurt...you have to look at the BIG picture.
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Posted: 6/22/2006 6:33:33 PM | | Thank you Brecca, I think you would enjoy a book by a man named OSHO. The book is called "From Sex to Superconciousness" quite revolutionary in my opinion. It continues along the line of thinking of my above post. Great thread and it is refreshing to have an individual on these forums. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 1:42:30 AM | Birth control wasn't readily available/reliable the way it is now.
People had to be scared into behaving.
STD treatments weren't available.
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Posted: 6/24/2006 7:36:33 AM | Welcome Spiderwoman, Have you documentation to back this theory up? I’d really be interested in it. And, while your looking up your reference, perhaps you might find there an answer to the question of :
If the early church knew all the information you claim, why didn’t they publish a book on sexual education with the truth in it instead of publishing a book with stories to scare people? I am concerned that if your theory is true, then this would be another example of how the early church manipulated and lied.
Another question:
In The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness, Erich Fromm reports on experiments (in animals) that have shown that inhibition of sexual responses is associated with aggressive cruelty, whereas sexual permissiveness goes with peaceful co-existence. Some investigators theorized that aggression and lust rise together from a common source, experiments don’t support this belief. Instead, it seems one alternative inhibits the other. So, had Christianity made all of Europe a vast experiment in sexual inhibition?
Knowledge about sex and sexuality, not lies = healthy bodies
Thank you Brecca, I think you would enjoy a book by a man named OSHO. The book is called "From Sex to Superconciousness" quite revolutionary in my opinion. It continues along the line of thinking of my above post. Great thread and it is refreshing to have an individual on these forums.
Thanks for the book reference and compliment. The book sounds interesting for sure. I’m going to head out today and see if my local bookshop has a copy… or the library! And, yes, I think I’m an individual… but then again, aren’t we all?
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Posted: 6/24/2006 8:31:16 AM | Brecca when I say individual, I simply mean you are yourself, not a collection of others conditionings, you think for yourself, which gives you an intelligent perspective and the courage to defy convention.
The demonization of sex has occured in almost all religions and that really says something about the systemization of spirituality. The Hindus, the Muslims, the Christians have all made sex, even the female form itself an object of fear. Why is the feminine so feared but if one thinks about it just a bit the answer is quite clear. Firstly man is part masculine and also part feminine, everyman no matter how tough still loves, hurts, cries and so on. This is also repressed in men, interesting coincidence no? The feminine is considered weak and something to be ignored in a man. However soon as we begin to deny one single aspect of ourselves no matter how small we create a division inside ourselves, we create conflict. The ego loves divison and conflict, it gives the compulsive egoic thought process something to do. This is needed to sustain the ego, conflict is ego food. So in order for a man to keep his ego fed, he must create a internal conflict, rejecting his feminine side is one of the ways the he accomplishes this. Now it must be understood that this process occurs in females as well, and with the feminist movement it has created the very same division with women rejecting their feminine energies. Also remember that orgasim is a feminine experience, this is important because if the feminine is rejected inwardly, it manifests itself as an outward expression, hence the repression of sex. Religions are only a guard dog for these inner conflicts. If God says to repress sex then we have no choice we must obey. More conflict, more ego, more repression, which creates more conflict, more ego more repression, is there a pattern here? | |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 1:44:03 PM | @Zen
I will agree that the current big 3 religions practice demonization of sex to varying degrees – however, note that these are patriarchal organizations which may or may not “allow” female clergy.
Now, I realize you use the word “most” in your statement that most religions practice demonization of sex. Yet, it needs to be noted that religions and cultures where the female principle was honoured, sex and/or women were not demonized or viewed as sin or used as scapegoats for sin. Quite the opposite happens – sex is viewed as natural and women are respected.
Shakti & Shakta, by Arthur Avalon (1918) –pg 191
“… This was like the Tantric identification of sexual bliss with the bliss of the Goddess and God as they continually engendered life in the universe.”
*note the balance of both masculine and feminine spiritual energies here.
The Jewel in the Lotus, by Allen Edwardes (1965)-pg 52
“… Hindus said intercourse with any woman is like union with the Goddess herself. Far from being sinful, to have carnal intercourse with the Goddess Parvati is a virtue which destroys all sin.”
*note, again, the feminine energy is honoured.
Strange Customs of Courtship & Marriage, by Wm J. Fielding (1942)-pg 145-146
“… Sexuality was reverenced in cultures where the female principle was accorded freedom and honor, as in Egypt, where women chose and wooed their lovers at will.”
*note: sexuality is revered when the feminine is honoured
The Truth About Women, by Gasquoine c. Hartley (1913)-pg 196
“… Sages counseled men never to be rude to a mistress or wife, nor to try to order her about; it would be unseemly in one with whom she shared “joy.””
*note that feminine energy is to be respected.
The references above are quite old. So, if the knowledge about honouring feminine energies has been known for so long, why has western culture chosen to ignore it? Zen, you say fear. I agree fully now. (I haven’t got a copy of that book you mentioned yet)
I do not agree that the feminist movement rejects feminine energy. I think there have been some feminist writers, especially up to the mid-1980s, who could be viewed as rejecting female energy.. however, I suggest a second reading because that rejection might be an assumption on the part of the reader. This, based on the fact that what most feminists argued against was the masculinization of *everything*. The subsequent result of constant masculinization over centuries caused behaviour in women which was against their own natural tendencies - in order to please men.
Now, here’s where I want to take this discussion one step further. I believe that there must be balance in all of us. That both men and women must acknowledge both the feminine and masculine within themselves, spiritually and on a godly level. I believe that women who rejected the masculine (always trying to be ever so dainty, pious and proper), did so out of fear. But, the fear was different. The fear was of being rejected by men and/or by a male dominated society, so the fear is based in survival and acceptance. Whereas, Zen, your information (and I concur) indicates the fear men feel is more spiritual and psychologically based.
So, now we’re looking at two different fear bases. I don’t know whether you agree or not. Regardless, where to from here (reference your comment about a cyclical pattern of behaviour)? I think that the feminist movement has started to move women into a more balanced way of being… and possibly, through either example or through a need to get along… men have also benefited by the feminist movement. This is where I am hopeful that a current trend toward balance will continue. The positive benefits of such balance will go further than sex and extend into the creation of a culture where peace and respect are paramount as opposed to domination and greed.
I await your thoughts with thanks.
OH! Zen… Thanks for the compliment explanation. Wow. Others might call me a B!tch… I like your understanding much better!
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Posted: 6/25/2006 2:55:26 PM | i blame organized religion for the demonization of sex.
as i have been looking into wicca and that way of life i am becoming more amazed. sexuality in wicca is huge, and is no way to be considered sinful. it is part of being human and the god and goddess expect it of us...call me a heathen, pagan | |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 2:56:05 PM | the demonization of sex is part of the plan to control people, imagine the first few generations who were told that sex was bad, how they must have laughed
but a few hundred years later, without any other info, no one laughed, the just felt bad about themselves, cuz sex is bad, and every human is sexual, so what a bad bunch...
oh , what's that, you feel bad? well why not come to church more, maybe that will help...... | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 2:02:26 PM | Awww Brecca, I so thouroughly enjoy our chats. While on the surface the feminist movement maybe advocating the feminine, it is for the most part entirely masculine in its energies. So I guess a detailed explination of the energies is in order.
Firstly it must be understood that in each of us there is both the feminine and the masculine. This is common knowledge, however the combination of energies is different in each of us. This is where it becomes a little complicated and I will try to explain. A woman's energies can be almost entirely masculine and a man's energies can be almost entirely feminine. The balance occurs when you accept your energetic make-up. This is quite difficult because we have placed static barriers on what constitutes male and female from a behavioral standpoint. The need to fit in is so strong that we deny ourselves, and force ourselves into one of these paradigms. It should be noted that the feminst movement also contributed to the labeling of humanity. While I understand the need for such a movement as the actual purpose of it was to accept the masculine energies in the feminine form.
With that said the masculine energies which are constructive are: intiative, sense of adventure and creativity. While the negitive aspects are the inverse of those same energies. The feminine energies are acceptence, intuition and love, again the negitive acpects are the inverse. The feminist perspective comes from the masculine energy of intiative, it was a movement against the feminine energy of acceptence. Women have seen men ruling the planet so to speak and have decided that the oppression is to great and now there must be a change. Quite right too, but the very concept is masculine in its orientation, it is combative and egoistic. The feminine energy that the feminst movement rejects is that of acceptence, How long can we be oppressed as woman? A very important question but the root is at the repression of the feminine.
It will be easy to now compare the two sets of energies and say that one is better than the other which is foolishness because both exsist in each of us, in varying degrees, the key is to accept those varying degrees and live in peace with ourselves. Any ism, or anity or concept will cause you to miss your completely unique energetic make-up because you are not a feminist, you are not anything but a completely perfect example of uniqueness. Don't let that be crushed under the weight of negitive masculine energy | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:55:34 PM | Interesting thread... Breaca
First off I'd like to say, Hey there Rj64, Tim..
Breaca, I suppose I only really have one question for you. Are you religious? If not, are you a believer? I'm sure a smart woman such as yourself knows the diff. I only ask because I find a lot of your posts, are anti christian sorta. Yet here you are in a religious section of the forum. Don't get me wrong, I love to read your posts. You always give me that debate that I look for.
As for your thread.. "The Demonization of Sex"
I wouldn't say it has been demonized, more specifically, "sex" itself, Love on the other hand, or Love making if you prefer.. Seems to be what a lot of women on this site are looking for according to their profiles, but as soon as they meet me, they want to meat me. Know what I mean? Even though my profile says I'm not looking for sex, I still get propositioned. I have some female friends on here that tell me that 90% of the guys they meet on here just want to get down their pants within the first hour they get together. That to me is probably what you are asking here. That to me is the "The Demonization of Sex" "Sex Sells" another good example, all those cliche's that make "SEX" so much more important than "Making Love" Society I find almost forces us to think in this way. I was having a discussion on another forum I frequent on almost this same topic. The just of it was this. We are all given choices, problem is, I don't like the choices we're given. Media, Magazines, Educational institues... The list goes on. They give us choices based on what they think we need, who gave them the right to control me? What If I wanted to know what really happened on 911 for instance? You really think the government/media would ever tell the truth behind it? Not likely. I don't mean to stray to far here. I'm just tired of all the choices I am left with. What ever happened to freedom of.. Wow.. Not sure where I was about to go there. so yeah. "The Demonization of Sex" To me is all in the eye of the beer holder. That narrow minded, male shovenistic, arrogant, self centered type, that I see so much of.. oops, was that judgemental.. Sorry.
Saw this earlier in someone's profile, got a little offended...
I'm currently lobbying government to enact a law that prevents Christians from becoming born-again unless they promise not to mention it to the rest of us who got it right the first time.
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Posted: 6/26/2006 9:26:05 PM | This thread is just the greatest brain candy ever! To Zen: I'm not sure if I agree with your analysis of male/female energies. The problem here is that we all live on the slow-learner's plane, and we have to genderize everything to comprehend it (even to the point of how we manifest in the physical - but I'm getting too metaphysical here *ahem*)
First of all, I think it would be more accurate, physics-wise, to refer to "male" and "female" energies as yin & yang. These are not really anything to do with gender, per se, but are rather a way of describing energy concepts.
Yin (the black side of the yin/yang symbol) describes energy that is of Spirit, emptiness, hidden or mysterious, becoming, the source of creation, receptive; a pre-matter position. Not too hard to see how that translates to "feminine" in human terms. The biggest misconception I see about Yin is that it is often referred to as 'passive', when in fact, nothing could be farther from the truth. In order to truly be Yin, or receptive, there is an action required - that of surrender.
Yang (the white side) is that energy that is visible, exposed, expressive - this is the post-matter expression of the seed that begins with the Yin. I'm not saying that one force is better than or superior to the other, just that they are equal and opposite expressions of energy. However, energy does precede matter - and Yin does precede Yang. It's just physics.
All my training, and all my knowingness in this area leads me to understand that if the Yin is corrupted, the Yang will never be able to correctly express. I know from frequent personal experience that if I have, for example, a bunch of teenage males who are acting out, all I have to do is tune to a correct Yin frequency (this is how I've trained to use my brain as an energy worker and healer), and the teenaged boys, or any males in the vicinity, will suddenly come over all respectful - their behaviour will totally shift! It's quite amazing, it only takes seconds for the effect to kick in.
The difficulty here is that, first of all, we've had millennia of cultural conditioning and propaganda that demonizes, not just sex, but the very Goddess herself - the divine feminine principle, or, in simpler terms, the Yin. At the core of our beings, we know there is something missing here - males know it, and crave it, and they seek that in the female. And then get angry at us because we are just human, we aren't, in fact, the Goddess. Millennia of conditioning of women to SUBMIT, rather than SURRENDER (which would be the correct, 'active' position of Yin) has made women, on the whole, mostly passive victims. I'm generalizing for the whole planet and every culture here, but I'm hoping you get my drift. We have a tremendous amount of history that has been all about the denial of feminine power.
It's quite possible to be a Yang female, just as it is possible to be a Yin male. We all have both of these forces within us, and we're here to seek some balance in that. So far, I'm more or less in agreement with what you're saying, just using some different languaging.
Here's where I start to disagree. I don't believe that there is any such thing as 'negative' masculine or feminine energy. Yin and Yang just are. The negativity is something else, something completely separate from those two forces of nature, and the negativity is what makes us go out of balance. (refer to my post on... page 2? for an explanation of that!) You are either tuned to a correct frequency of Yin or Yang, or you are not.
Anyway... I just took a long time to say I agree with everything except that one point, but it's such an important one that I had to explain what I meant. I see way too many people making the assumption that negativity (or Evil, as I prefer to call it, let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?) is somehow an innate part of our humanity. And really, it's just the Evil's way of programming us to continually leak our energy to that erosive void that leads to ageing, death and destruction. Sex is our body's way of teaching us that the truth is otherwise - that feeling of momentary bliss opens us to an infinite vista of true Power, but we can only get there if we SURRENDER! Not submit, or be passive, which is what most Eastern teaching that I've read seems to suggest is a quality of Yin.
You know when you're trying to have an orgasm? If you try too hard (too "Yang", trying to control it), you can't get there - but if you don't actively surrender to the feelings, (i.e. being passive, simply submitting) you can't get there either. That's what I mean when I say "surrender", and it has to come from both partners, or there's no magic there. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 7:57:55 AM | | I agree tiamat, that there are better words than negitive, perhaps inverse would be most accurate. That is where are agreement stops there is no such thing as evil just contrary to your ready made conclusions about life, but I think that is for another thread. I think that you should study Tantra tiamat, it is probably the most advanced religious science with regards to this male and female energies, its understandings go far beyond the realm of sex. I think you re-itterate a very important point that we have been conditioned to view things a certain way, that are absolutely unheathly. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2006 2:52:43 PM | Their is nothing wrong with sex, God made man and woman to have sex it is a good thing. It is beautiful and enjoyable and God meant it to be inside marriage. Their would be no hman race if we did not have sex.
It has beeen so abused, people have had affairs outside their marriage, people been hurt, and children not wanted, thier are diseases. If we would only listen to God who has our interests at heart and cares for us. We would surely benefit. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2006 7:19:12 PM | Hi Rumor ~
Breaca, I suppose I only really have one question for you. Are you religious? If not, are you a believer? I'm sure a smart woman such as yourself knows the diff. I only ask because I find a lot of your posts, are anti christian sorta. Yet here you are in a religious section of the forum. Don't get me wrong, I love to read your posts. You always give me that debate that I look for.
I follow a spiritual path. I am not anti-Christian or anti-any-religion. I think the world needs all religions.
Where you might be misinterpreting my posts is that I believe that all religions need to learn to accept the fact that they need other religions and to learn to get along with each other. I also question contradiction and sheep. Some of what I have read in these forums indicates that there are people who view religion as a form of communism in that everyone is expected to have the same beliefs.
There is an arrogance within the language used that I find highly offensive at times. An example being that some think that the words religion, believer, spirituality and god are solely the domain of Christians.
This is a forum where the topic is “Religion”. This does not mean that it is the exclusive territory of religious people. It simply means (I know I’ll get corrected by the Moderator-Gods if I’m wrong here) that the topics for discussion fall under that category. And, anyone can have an opinion on a topic - even one titled “Religion”. Further, discussion should be welcomed not questioned.
wouldn't say it has been demonized, more specifically, "sex" itself, Love on the other hand, or Love making if you prefer.. Seems to be what a lot of women on this site are looking for according to their profiles, but as soon as they meet me, they want to meat me. Know what I mean? Even though my profile says I'm not looking for sex, I still get propositioned. I have some female friends on here that tell me that 90% of the guys they meet on here just want to get down their pants within the first hour they get together. That to me is probably what you are asking here. That to me is the "The Demonization of Sex" "Sex Sells" another good example, all those cliche's that make "SEX" so much more important than "Making Love" Society I find almost forces us to think in this way. I was having a discussion on another forum I frequent on almost this same topic. The just of it was this. We are all given choices, problem is, I don't like the choices we're given. Media, Magazines, Educational institues... The list goes on. They give us choices based on what they think we need, who gave them the right to control me? What If I wanted to know what really happened on 911 for instance? You really think the government/media would ever tell the truth behind it? Not likely. I don't mean to stray to far here. I'm just tired of all the choices I am left with. What ever happened to freedom of.. Wow.. Not sure where I was about to go there. so yeah. "The Demonization of Sex" To me is all in the eye of the beer holder. That narrow minded, male shovenistic, arrogant, self centered type, that I see so much of.. oops, was that judgemental.. Sorry.
With regard to your thoughts on this topic… I think that you have every right to follow what you believe to be the best path for yourself. I don’t believe anyone is trying to control you. You are an adult and can turn off a media source or choose to simply ignore it if it bothers you. You can also choose who you communicate with and invite into your life. If you are not satisfied with the choices you are left with in life, then perhaps you aren’t finished looking. (?)
My intent on this thread was to look at the language used, historically and currently, in religious context with regard to sex and women.
Chauvinists, like racists and others who discriminate, are not born that way. They learn to be the way they are through their environment (including culture) and the language they are exposed to. What role did religion or spiritual practice play in fostering a negative view of making love, sex, and women?
There have been many references provided, as well as excellent (down-right awesome and extremely well-thought) comments on this topic. I’ve really enjoyed everyone’s perspective.
Saw this earlier in someone's profile, got a little offended...
I'm currently lobbying government to enact a law that prevents Christians from becoming born-again unless they promise not to mention it to the rest of us who got it right the first time.
I think that comment says more about the author than about born-again Christians. It was probably intended as a joke - but I agree… not nice.
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Posted: 7/15/2006 7:33:29 PM | "Go forth and multiply!"
It could just as easily have be another way of saying something else. The second word being "off".
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Posted: 7/15/2006 7:41:48 PM | tiamat ~
This thread is just the greatest brain candy ever!
Wonderfully delicious isn’t it?
The difficulty here is that, first of all, we've had millennia of cultural conditioning and propaganda that demonizes, not just sex, but the very Goddess herself - the divine feminine principle, or, in simpler terms, the Yin. At the core of our beings, we know there is something missing here - males know it, and crave it, and they seek that in the female. And then get angry at us because we are just human, we aren't, in fact, the Goddess. Millennia of conditioning of women to SUBMIT, rather than SURRENDER (which would be the correct, 'active' position of Yin) has made women, on the whole, mostly passive victims. I'm generalizing for the whole planet and every culture here, but I'm hoping you get my drift. We have a tremendous amount of history that has been all about the denial of feminine power.
WOW! Right on.
Zen ~
I still haven't got that book yet. Darn! Keep forgetting when I'm out. But, it is on my 'must have' list.
I have to agree with Tiamat here with regard to categorizing feminine and masculine energy. I know what a mother will do when her babes are threatened - trust me, it is 100% female and very aggressive. Personally, I think Yin/Yang, as a discriptive, does more service to the type of energy that is used.
Feminizing/masculinizing energy seems so unfair to females and males somehow. Having said that, I do think that your posts on energy was fascinating. It’s just the terms used.
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Posted: 7/16/2006 11:40:00 AM | My favourite Woody Allen quote:
Is sex dirty? Only if it's done right.
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