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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 3/30/2007 3:31:11 PM | | I became a vegetarian over 15 yrs ago and last year became vegan. I cant tell you how many times people offer me chicken as well......or my favorite "oh you're vegetarian/vegan you eat fish and seafood right??" um no. vegetarian means no meat whatsoever and fish/seafood/chicken are meat. sorry but i wont consume anything that once had a mom or had eyeballs! | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 3/30/2007 11:24:33 PM | Hey Troi...I do agree with most that you post, but I do think there is always adequate sources of protein available, without having to go the supplement route. Also, one can't look at a food source deemed high protein, without looking at what else that food source contains. e.g. dairy and fat, as you have already mentioned.
The best source of vitamin D is the sun...15 mins every couple of days...perhaps harder to get as one ages, but still the best source. The effort required to get those 15 mins. may also help in other areas. If the body requires more antioxidants, why not eat more of the foods that contain them?
Peanut butter is not a very good source of protein...many of the peanuts used are of lower quality...sometimes moldy....which contains Aflatoxin...one of the most potent carcinogens ever discovered. It can also be found in corn.
Protein bars generally have high amounts of sugar in them (and sometimes fat)....two cheap fillers that increase profits. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 5/26/2008 10:28:46 PM | It's great to see so many other vegetarians respond.
I've been vegetarian, near vegan, since 1991, just eat vegetables and legumes I crave, and have not had trouble getting enough protein, even with a lot of running and other sports.
The problem I have had is if I get too acid, from eating too much carbs. Then I eat apples or melon to get back in balance. Yum!  | |
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kimsy
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Joined: 11/22/2006
Msg: 56 | |
| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:00:26 PM |
I cant tell you how many times people offer me chicken as well......or my favorite "oh you're vegetarian/vegan you eat fish and seafood right??" um no. vegetarian means no meat whatsoever and fish/seafood/chicken are meat. sorry but i wont consume anything that once had a mom or had eyeballs!
I just read a great forum on another board about this. You can also respond that you will eat poultry when you can grow fish/seafood/chicken in a garden or it falls from a tree. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 6/26/2008 9:41:14 PM | | My veg sources are dairy, eggs, peanut butter, protein bars, protein-fortified cereal, pasta, and bread, sunflower seeds to put on salads, tofu, beans, the occasional hummus, spinach, peas. I'm also willing to try new things, especially protein sources. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 6/26/2008 10:48:17 PM | Well I haven't been bothering with my diet for a long time now, but when I was making the effort to get protein in I have to admit I was drinking a LOT of protein shakes, but that was down to convenience, taste and financial limitations more than anything. I'm not a huge fan of eggs or cottage cheese so don't really like eating them all that much.
Still, cottage cheese, eggs, fat free cheese and milk are all good vegetarian sources of animal protein too, and lentils, chick peas, kidney beans, soy mince, etc. are all high in protein as well. | |
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| Stuff in the food supply
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:25:33 AM | http://www.globalhempstore.com/hemp-food/nutiva-hemp-protein-powder.html
http://www.rawganique.com/Food.htm
Hemp powder with 37% protein is a very high $14/pound plus shipping, very probably more off the shelf. Hulled hemp seeds are even more expensive.
The omega-3:omega-6 fatty acid ratio is about as bad as corn.
Expensive, pro-inflammatory, what exactly, among all sources of plant protein, are the advantages of hemp protein products?
The advertised absence of THC is actually a negative!  | |
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| Stuff in the food supply
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:54:24 AM |
dairy, eggs, peanut butter, protein bars, protein-fortified cereal, pasta, and bread, sunflower seeds to put on salads, tofu, beans, the occasional hummus, spinach, peas
Hey there ...Well Eggs i can say is an animal protein and i would not advise eating it. I know there are alot of ppl who advise on it but my research and info i have read in books and through lecture have said no to any animal protein. An intense research was done in China which was one of the most comprehensive studies done on nutrition says that the body does not need no more then 47 grams of protein a day, anymore will result in a net loss of calcium from the body stores with long-term adverse effects on all body systems. When we reduce our intake of animal proteins our requirements for vitamins and minerals decreases.
good protein is found in Hemp, spirulina,chorella,nuts,seeds,whole grains,carob powder,vegetables,kelp and dulse.
Tofu is made with Soy and you should research the effects of eating soy. Its not a good effect and it stop the absorption of nutrients into your body. Protein bars are full of sugar that has no nutrition for you at all go read the post about sugar. As for dairy also contains animal protein. It has no enzymes and is acid-forming. The high temp of pasteurization kills enzymes in milk and denatures its minerals. The body cannot utilize unnatural minerals. The denatured calcium that the body is unable to elminate is deposited on the outside of the bones and between joints, where it causes bone spurs and arthritis or in the tissue where it causes fibromyalgia.
It is a myth that milk is a good source of calcium for the body. Pasteurized dairy products, in the process of being metabolized and eliminated, actually draw calcium out of the body. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 6/27/2008 6:03:03 AM | "I've always had low iron, but I do take supplements too....I've always had a problem with that.. even when meat was in my diet. I felt horrible that I couldn't give blood at the blood drive."
Using cast iron pots and skillets for cooking has been recommened for people with low iron. Here is a good site that talks about how to use cast iron pots for cooking and how to take care of them, and a site explaining the health benefits.
\whatscookingamerica.net/Information/CastIronPans.htm
//www.holidaycook.com/cast-iron/health-benefits.shtml
Besides helping you to need fewer iron supplements, cast iron pots have additional advantages in that they are extremely economical to buy, are very easy to clean, and can last generations. I have pots that were my grandmothers, that will probably outlast my grandchildren. | |
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| Stuff in the food supply
Posted: 7/24/2008 12:33:52 PM |
Hey there ...Well Eggs i can say is an animal protein and i would not advise eating it. I know there are alot of ppl who advise on it but my research and info i have read in books and through lecture have said no to any animal protein. An intense research was done in China which was one of the most comprehensive studies done on nutrition says that the body does not need no more then 47 grams of protein a day, anymore will result in a net loss of calcium from the body stores with long-term adverse effects on all body systems. When we reduce our intake of animal proteins our requirements for vitamins and minerals decreases.
good protein is found in Hemp, spirulina,chorella,nuts,seeds,whole grains,carob powder,vegetables,kelp and dulse.
Tofu is made with Soy and you should research the effects of eating soy. Its not a good effect and it stop the absorption of nutrients into your body. Protein bars are full of sugar that has no nutrition for you at all go read the post about sugar. As for dairy also contains animal protein. It has no enzymes and is acid-forming. The high temp of pasteurization kills enzymes in milk and denatures its minerals. The body cannot utilize unnatural minerals. The denatured calcium that the body is unable to elminate is deposited on the outside of the bones and between joints, where it causes bone spurs and arthritis or in the tissue where it causes fibromyalgia.
It is a myth that milk is a good source of calcium for the body. Pasteurized dairy products, in the process of being metabolized and eliminated, actually draw calcium out of the body.
Very interesting points you demonstrate here. Where did you get your information? I would love to check out some links and articles about this, as I would like to eat a healthier veg diet.
It is understood that if you consume too much calcium that it will actually INCREASE your risk of osteoporosis and other bone problems. | |
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MatFK
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Joined: 7/22/2008
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 7/30/2008 2:54:35 AM | Tofu, Beans...some of those veggie burgers have lots of protein. Basically, you can't eat just lettuce and tomatoes. I think there might be an issue with a lack of B12, so look into some kind of vitamin, as I think proper brain function requires it.
I was a vegetarian for 5 years and I want to get back into it. I used to feel so spectacular when I did it. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 8/1/2008 3:42:55 PM |
How do you manage to get all your protein that you need into your diet? I eat.
I have to laugh when people talk about vegetarians not getting b12. B12 is abundant in ALL animal products. Unless you're vegan or a strict vegetarian (following a vegan diet, which is different than being vegan)- lacto, ovo, and lacto-ovo vegetarians get plenty. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 8/2/2008 7:40:56 PM | I've been vegetarian for 35 years; started badly but have learned a lot, helped by a biochemistry course.
Briefly, if you are getting enough calories from a variety of foods, you are almost certainly getting enough protein. Since many people don't 'feel' that is enough (apparently there is a vegan Atkins diet), you could include some soy (soy nuts, tofu, soy milk, tempeh), chick peas and other beans like lentils and peanuts, gluten (seitan), hemp (pricey), and other seeds.
There are 2 essential fatty acids: the omega-6 linoleic acid and the omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, LNA, but not to be confused with gamma-linolenic acid). The omega-6 most people get lots of and vegans especially who often eat a lot of sunflower seeds. Flax seed is a good source of ALA but some people, especially children, may need extra longer chain omega-3's, EPA and DHA, that can be gotten from algal sources (the soy milk I drink has both flax oil and algal DHA). Cold water fish are considered high in omega-3's but their sources are either seaweeds or other fish that eat seaweeds. Cows are ruminants and the bacteria in their '4th' stomach destroys most of the omega-3's they might eat so are a poor source of it. Chickens and their eggs may have omega-3's if they have eaten it in their diet, usually as flax. Horses may have a reasonable amount of omega-3's as do many wild game animals. Personally, as a vegetarian, I don't eat any animals (cows, horses, fish, and not chicken either) so I get my omega-3's where they get it from: vegetable sources. And yes, I have been asked if I eat chicken.
Recent research suggests that humans get enough vitamin D with the sun's help only at southern latitudes (near the equator). Almost everyone north of Florida should take supplements at least part of the year.
B12 can be gotten from yeast that has been grown in a culture containing B12 that comes from bacteria. This special (check labels) nutritional yeast is not bitter like the usual brewers yeast.
Iron can be found in many beans, dark greens, and seeds. | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 8/3/2008 7:58:08 PM | As a body builder I need approximately 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight to ensure that my body consumes the protein I eat for nourishment rather than the protein I am building in my muscles. This means I currently need around 200 grams of protein daily and I am a vegetarian (have been since 1995).
I am able to get 200 grams of protein by eating things like AuraPro (Match Meat), tofu and tofu alternatives, drinking protein shakes, and incorporating oatmeal (~4 grams per serving), some peanut butter (2 tbsp = 10 grams protein), and beans.
Considering most people only need around 30-40 grams of protein it should be very easy to achieve that as a vegetarian and can be done before 10 AM.
Breakfast can be a bowl of oatmeal (4 g) with a protein shake/drink (30 g).
Morning snack can be an apple and 2 tbsp of peanut butter (10 g).
And you're done for the day. Anything beyond that is 'gravy' as it were.
Personally I use protein powder that has 50 g of protein per serving so I keep my calorie count down.
A sample day is shown below if you're interested:
Breakfast (73 g - daily 73 g))
Flaxseed oatmeal (4 grams protein with oatmeal and 13 with flax seed) with 20 crushed almonds (6 grams protein) and 1 tbsp blueberries and Protein Shake (usually 50 g of protein) with water.
Morning Snack (5 g - daily 78 g)
Apple with 1 tbsp natural peanut butter (5 g protein)
Lunch (24 g - daily 102g)
AuroPro chicken patty with red pepper on a whole grain bun and mustard (18 g protein)
sweet potato (4 g protein), broccoli (2 g protein)
Mid-Afternoon Snack (18 g - daily 120g)
Whole grain pita with lettuce, 2 tbsp hummus (3 g protein), 4 fake chicken strips (9 g protein), brown rice (5 g protein), red pepper, and 1 c grapes (1 gram protein)
After Workout (40 g - daily 160 g)
Protein Drink - Iso Pure
Dinner (38 g - daily 198 g)
Tofu or Meat Substitute (18 g), brown rice (5 g protein), 1/8 c flax seed (13 g protein), mixed vegetables (usually 2 g protein)
Late Night Snack (4-25 g - daily reaches or exceeds 200 g)
Oatmeal or half protein shake or tomato with hummus and whole grain pita | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 8/5/2008 9:46:47 PM | | what is the name of your powder? I have tried several and the taste is just terrible. I also noticed the sugar content is very high on most, but I never thought to look until I read your post. Thanks for the head's up. | |
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| Stuff in the food supply
Posted: 8/12/2008 9:14:35 AM |
Funny-tragic how so many people seem to talk about soy products, other beans, and nuts, but little else in terms of vegetarian protein sources
funny how meat eaters only talk about dead animals as their sources of protein. Eating the flesh of dead chickens, cows and pigs is a pretty limited diet too. | |
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| Stuff in the food supply
Posted: 8/14/2008 10:39:11 PM | It is understood that if you consume too much calcium that it will actually INCREASE your risk of osteoporosis and other bone problems. Read up on phosphoric acid leaching calcium from bones, and the acidic nature of animal protein promoting bone loss. There are way too many myths about dairy.
eta: This is a good link, as old as it may be. http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030400pudairyproductsfalsepromises.htm | |
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| To the Vegetarians out there...
Posted: 8/15/2008 9:17:55 PM | | I use IsoPure low-carb chocolate for 'shakes' (50 g per serving - 210 calories) and IsoPure zero-carb (50 g per serving - 200 calories) for something lighter (fruit flavor). You can also get IsoPure in the bottle, which is clear and very tasty and 40 g of protein per bottle (160 calories). There are 4 calories per gram of protein. The extra 10 in the chocolate is for the little bit of lactose. | |
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