Pucks
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 26 | |
| help w/lowering cholesterol
Posted: 10/20/2007 9:42:45 PM | ^^^well we agree to disagree.
Since neither of us are medical experts i'll take the knowledge and health courses i have taken over what you state.
I see your saying the body doen not need cholesteral. What i dont agree with is you suggesting that cholesteral only comes from animal products. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 1:53:39 AM |
What i dont agree with is you suggesting that cholesteral only comes from animal products.
Cholesterol does only come from animal products. It can't come from plant products, as plants do not have livers.
Cholesterol: always in animal products, never in plants - excerpt
Nutrition Health Review, Fall, 1995
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0876/is_n74/ai_18001480 | |
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Pucks
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 28 | |
| help w/lowering cholesterol
Posted: 10/21/2007 9:35:31 AM | yup i see i made a mistake on that. was confusing the various fats with cholesteral.
Cholesterol comes from two main sources;
1. foods of animal origin
2. produced from the body
Milk has cholesterol.
Last time i checked it was not a meat.
Op, if you want to lower cholesteral avoid high fat animal meat...(just remove the skin) eat plenty of fish like salmon instead of hamburger, quit smoking, exercise and eat lots of veggies. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 11:37:36 AM |
Milk has cholesterol.
Last time i checked it was not a meat.
??? Milk comes from a cow, a cow has a liver, so milk is going to have cholesterol.
There are many studies showing that people with low/no dairy intake have lower cholesterol levels than those that eat dairy products.
This is demonstrated frequently with people that are lactose intolerant and therefore eat no dairy.
Those with liver problems and diseases (such awaiting transplant) also have cholesterol problems or various etiologies.
The variety of cholesterol sources and a person's genetics make up determines how they respond to exogenous cholesterol sources.
Some people make too much endogenous cholesterol (because 'people' have livers, they make their OWN cholesterol)...and therefore regardless of dietary cholesterol sources will still have high cholesterol levels (known as compensators) and need medication to keep their cholesterol in check.
The only way to determine how diet affects a particular individual's cholesterol levels is by diet change and serial lab work (complete lipid panels) to follow the levels (total chol, LDL, HDL, and ratios). | |
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Pucks
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 30 | |
| help w/lowering cholesterol
Posted: 10/21/2007 12:16:33 PM | ^^^^in addition to milk, cheese is also loaded in cholesterol and can raise blood cholesterol. Another item that is not a MEAT, which was what my original point was.
You can lower trigylcerides by avoiding or reducing alcohol intake, maintaining a healthy weight, minimizing your intake of simple sugars (such as those found in pop, candy and desserts), and consuming at least three servings of per week of foods containing omega-3 fatty acids (such assalmon, tuna and makeral). | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 12:49:58 PM |
^^^^in addition to milk, cheese is also loaded in cholesterol and can raise blood cholesterol. Another item that is not a MEAT, which was what my original point was.
Uh, that's why I mentioned the category as "dairy". Who cares that it isn't "MEAT"?
It's simple, -- humans produce their own endogenous cholesterol.
Animal products contain cholesterol, and plant products don't.
The OP didn't ask about triglycerides she asked about cholesterol & mentioned her fear of medication. Medication that she mentioned is for cholesterol lowering.
She also mentioned that she "never was a dairy person"! So why the big deal about cheese now...
I see why 'piscescoda' gave up. You just want to insist you are correct. Her points are correct. It isn't "opinion", it's fact. You talk so much irrelevance no one knows WHAT your "original point" was!
Buh-bye! | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 3:19:28 PM | | last year I had a colesterol check, the lab report was sent to 3 doctors; one said that I was in emminant danger and had to start using lipitor at once, one said that my levels were in the tolorrable range, and one said that my levels were all excellant. I think that some doctors are pure bill pushers and not interested in cures only in masking problems. Remember that soya is a manufactured product. I eat lots of hamburger but I also eat lots of rice and drink whole milk. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 3:47:04 PM | ^^^ That's exactly why you always ask for copies of your lab work.
To double check the results for yourself and to be knowledgeable about your health.
It's doubtful that ALL 3 physicians sent the same labs were specialists in interpreting cholesterol results, or ordering medications for them. (One should not have 3 internists or 3 GPs sent the same labs, --but possibly and orthopod, internist and neurologist, for example). What were the 3 types of Drs your labs were sent to?
I am a nurse practitioner and have been told "all my labs were fine", all of the labs that were ordered were not even back yet, so they ALL couldn't be fine.
I would never leave the follow-up and interpretation of my health and tests entirely to someone else without checking them myself. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 5:38:26 PM | yup i see i made a mistake on that. was confusing the various fats with cholesteral.
Cholesterol comes from two main sources;
1. foods of animal origin
2. produced from the body
Milk has cholesterol.
Last time i checked it was not a meat.
Christ on a cracker. How many times did I say that cholesterol ONLY comes from animals, and that we produce it in our OWN bodies & don't need to add more via other animal products?
Did I even once say that it only came from meat? NO. I said ANIMAL PRODUCTS. Dairy is an animal product. Maybe if you learned to read instead of arguing for the sake of arguing you would've realized that.
To double check the results for yourself and to be knowledgeable about your health.
I agree. Plus its nice to have copies for your own records. | |
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Pucks
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 35 | |
| help w/lowering cholesterol
Posted: 10/21/2007 6:55:14 PM | ^^^oh that's brilliant using the lord's name in vain.
besides i have seen you all over the forums arguing.
I thought you said it only came from meat. Big deal, i already acknowledged the mistake. I did give the OP, valuable advice on how to lower cholesteral and that was the point of the thread.
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Posted: 10/21/2007 7:18:26 PM | p.s. a vegetarian is not going to eat lard.
Now that I have to agree with.
Also, you were right about fish and shrimp being meat, rather than being a substitute for meat. I should have stated they were a good substitute for red meat, and yes, they do contain cholesterol.
* people really shouldn't eat anything with a face or heartbeat. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2007 7:36:06 PM | I thought you said it only came from meat. Big deal, i already acknowledged the mistake.
Actually you didn't.
you said:
What i dont agree with is you suggesting that cholesteral only comes from animal products.
Then you tried to backtrack by saying: ^^^^in addition to milk, cheese is also loaded in cholesterol and can raise blood cholesterol. Another item that is not a MEAT, which was what my original point was.
^^^oh that's brilliant using the lord's name in vain.
It's your religion, not mine.
besides i have seen you all over the forums arguing.
I don't argue. I correct ignorance. | |
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Pucks
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 38 | |
| help w/lowering cholesterol
Posted: 10/21/2007 7:37:59 PM | thanks for your feedback. 
now back to lowering cholesteral.
Stay away from cheese and milk. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2007 8:54:04 PM | | They were all GP's as that is all that is available in this area. I had the first one give me a copy of the lab report and took it to the others my self. I find that just watching my diet and eating what appeals tome each day seams to work the best for controling colesterol and my lymphoma which is far more easily monitored by myself and I have sent it into remission 4 times now. I know that once the lymphoma returns you are suppose to only have a couple of weeks left to live. my diet includes things like birch syrup, aspin and alder cambium and solomon seal peas and indian haldane, have to be very carfull with those last two. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:58:14 AM | One things i can add here is you do not wanna lower it. There is no evidence showing any connection with lowering your CHolesterol and heart disease.
Your body naturally produces it so there is no need to flood your body with animals Cholesterol.
here is an article about it as well as an Ebook
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane13.htm
Ebook
http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&id=q14NJb5h3eYC&dq=Shane+Ellison's+Hidden+Truth+About++&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=NMLy5QS1kE&sig=zz-ovYsWtovV4r7UADKD8acxLow&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 1:57:21 PM | Read this article, I totally agree with this guy and what he is saying.
http://www.naturalnews.com/002692.html | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 2:52:23 PM | There is huge controversy about cholelsterol. BigPharma makes $Bs from selling nasty statins no matter how much damage they do, and will keep marketing "cholesterol is bad" to docs and DTC, direct to consumers.
I can find the link now, but I read that there has been no link demonstrated between dietary cholesterol and the level of serum cholesterol.
You can't cure yourself of anything by taking drugs. A fact BigPharma absolutely doesn't want you to know. BigPharma and your doc (who gets a cut of the prescrptions) want you to buy their statins for the next few decades. They make no money when you eat well and exercise to actually heal yourself.
The problem is that some people with very bad cholesterol have no heart disease, and some people with very good cholesterol die from heart disease.
Could there possibly be something else that causes CVD?
One suspect is serum triglycerides (fats).
But from everything I've read, the real root cause is systemic, chronic inflammation, low-grade or high-grade.
When this inflammation appears in the arteries, cholestorol arrives in response to the inflammation, plaque build up, and eventually you get Tim Russert-ed. When there is no inflammation in the arteries, the cholesterol keeps circulating, doesn't pile up in the arteries, no CVD.
Originally, 325 mg aspirin/day was thought to help heart disease by its anti-coagulant action, keeping the blood flowing in diseased, constricted arteries, but later they decided that aspirin's real benefit was ... anti-inflammatory.
plant-based diet and vigorous exercise are both anti-inflammatory, and can actually reverse CVD. See Ornish's book on reversing CVD through diet.
Two serum bio-markers for systemic inflammation and CVD are C-RP, C-Reactive Protein, and homocysteine. I would suggest that before exposing yourself to statins, that you have blood test for inflammation bio-markers. If you have no inflammation, have normal/low triglycerides, but your chosterol numbers are high, I would think statins may not be the solution, since there may not be any problem. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:07:41 PM | Does dietary cholesterol affect the level of serum cholesterol?
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/59/1/39
http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth3.htm
http://biomed.gerontologyjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/62/10/1164
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/137/2/171
and then a contrary report:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=441968&pageindex=5
Dr. Mercola has many articles and links to articles about cholesterol:
http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=cholesterol&k=cholesterol | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:55:40 PM | Vitamin C supplementation lowers low-density lipoprotein cholesterol
Daily supplements of vitamin C may lower levels of LDL (bad)
cholesterol by five percent, and subsequently reduce risk factors
linked to cardiovascular disease, according to a new meta-analysis (a
review of several studies).
Doses of at least 500 mg per day were necessary to produce the
effects, which were accompanied by an 8.8 percent reduction in
triglyceride levels, according to the meta-analysis of 13 randomized
clinical trials published in the Journal of Chiropractic Medicine.
“Although the magnitude of change in LDL cholesterol and
triglycerides appeared modest, it can be estimated that an LDL
cholesterol change of -7.9 mg/dL could potentially translate to a 6.6
percent reduction in coronary heart disease and that a change in
triglycerides of -20.1 mg/dL could translate to a 2.4 percent reduction
in coronary heart disease risk,” wrote Marc McRae from National
University of Health Sciences in Lombard, IL.
McRae identified 13 trials that included 14 separate groups including
405 subjects with high cholesterol levels. The subjects received
vitamin C supplements of at least 500 mg per day for a period of
three to 24 weeks. The studies were either a crossover double-blind
design or placebo-controlled double-blind design. The average age of
the study participants was 58.9, and 60% of the subjects were men.
McRae added: “Supplementation with at least 500 mg per day of
vitamin C, for a minimum of four weeks, can result in a significant
decrease in serum LDL cholesterol and triglyceride concentrations.
However, there was a non-significant elevation of serum HDL (good)
cholesterol.”
“Although [the observed] changes are modest, any small change can
have beneficial effects on the incidence of coronary heart disease,
especially in light of the low cost and absence of toxicity when
supplementing vitamin C within the ranges of 500 to 1,000 mg per
day,” McRae concluded.
Journal of Chiropractic Medicine 7(2):48-58, 2008
Vitamin C supplementation lowers low-density lipoprotein cholesterol http://www.swansonhealthnews.com/newsletters/ResearchUpdate/08061...
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Vitamin C has a half life in the body of 30 minutes. Taking 500 mg all at once is a bad way to do it. If "at least 500 mg" is the right dose, then it should be spread out through the day.
But 500 mg seems awfully low for a therapeutic does, esp since a common tablet size is 1000 mg. Linus Pauling's mega-dose Vit C was many grams/day. Lots of in
In any case, a single dose of Vitamin C is pretty useless. Too bad the above study didn't look at effect on cholesterol/triglycerides with multi-dose C.
I'd try 2,3 months of mega-C therapy, non-toxic, before trying toxic statins. | |
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