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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/7/2008 4:21:02 PM | | they go around preaching a bible that isn't even real...walking up to total strangers and trying to convert them even if they claim there not they are....they make ppl lose there kids...what else they control your life and you have to give up a whole bunch of things just because of a religion...how stupid is that....i'm surprised they don't get beat up for it...going around talking to strangers and having the nerve to invade your privacy so they can control you...they need to go cause there not doing anything helpful except annoying ppl | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/7/2008 10:40:23 PM | Thought I would try and answer some of your points here Sienna.
I know very little of the temple. All those who have not been a Mormon and have not been to the temple have as little knowledge as I. The knowledge that is out there is wrote/revealed by those who have left that church. Most forget that if you choose to leave a church you have been a member of for a long time and know the ins and outs of, you then do one of two things. 1.You leave that church in peace and the odds say you will not speak ill of it even if you join another. 2.But if you leave a church feeling pissed/angry/upset/etc., and revenge is coursing through your veins, that is how will you speak of that church to anyone listening.
When you read anti-religious material or listen to it, consider the source and decide if the source biased or non-biased. I have read a lot of anti-Mormon material. I could count on not a single finger where a anti-Mormon site just listed the plain facts without adding their own two cents of how lost-misled-decieved and wrong of how the LDS are in their beliefs.
Considering their temple, I compare it to the temples the Israelites built over and over, portable and stationary. I am sure that in the inner realms of the temple, they had their own rituals of signs, etc., that they preformed that they considered holy and a part of their belief in God. Not all Jews went into the temple. Only the most worthy got to see the insides of it. Most don't contemplate what they had to do to gain access to it's outter sanctions. Most don't consider how even the most worthy were kept from entering where only a single chosen priest could go once a year. Most people have no clue of what all they did within the temple. Even the living Jews of today do not have a very good idea of what all was done in those temples (except for sacrifices) as the information died with those who once did know when the temples existed.
So of course what we hear the Mormons might of done or still do in their temples offends us. But that does not make what they do in them wrong or right except to the opinionated.
Of Adam and Eve, it is a basic Christian recognized belief that God planned/hoped for Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge. If they had not, they would still be existing and we would not have. That is evident as Christians believe Adam and Eve are the first fruits of the human race. If they had not been taken from the garden of Eden they would not of sinned and would not of copulated and would not have had children. So yes, it was a plan of God that Adam and Eve would fall from their place of perfectness in the garden of Eden. This earth was given to Saten to rule over. So opf course as he was suffering he was surly going to see that we would suffer also. What Saten did not know was that in enticing Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge, he was helping to put into place a plan that God knew would take place as long as Adam and Eve would make a choice to eat that apple. Consider that we don't know how long they were in the garden of Eden. They might have been in it for thousands or millions of years for all we know before Saten found a way to have an influence on Eve to eat that apple. The first commandment given was for them not to eat of the tree of knowledge. I am sure they obeyed that commandment for a long (unknown to us) amount of time before Satan was able to butter up Eve and get her to believe it was in her best interest to eat fromthe tree she was commanded not to eat from. If you read Genesis 3:1-5 you will note it could be said that it sounds like Eve and or Adam might possibly have spoken to the snake at times before this incident. The verses do not say she was frightened/scared/fearing for her life that a snake was speaking to her. Maybe because the animals could speak in the garden of Eden? A possibility?
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/8/2008 12:39:11 PM | i have read the bible, and the book of mormon, and i have read of the various struggles that people had with obeying the lord. NOT ONCE did i read of any person in either book struggling with their conscience because they had a hot drink.
Answer me this, Would jesus deny any person to enter his temple just because they had a cup of tea or coffee?? i think not, he was not so controlling or shallow.
What about the temple underwear? i know these items of clothing exist, iv been told by the missionaries and various church members. what kind of religeon makes you wear uncomfortable undergarments resembling a vest and shorts, AND THEN have to wear a bra and pants ON TOP OF THESE ridiculous items?
it is laughable and pathetic. it is a controlling warped evil religeon. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/8/2008 1:29:59 PM | May I plaese aks something?
Why does it matter?
Whan you die will there be a test on the trinity?
Go love somebody! | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/8/2008 1:39:29 PM | i love a lot of people, regularly thank you. may i ask something? why does it matter to you then?
it matters to me because i have seen first hand a lot of good people that are being decieved and controlled and miserable and depressed and repressed. it matters because i care about people and i think its a shame that people can waste their lives on a useless man made religeon when they could of been having fun. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/8/2008 4:02:41 PM | "it matters to me because i have seen first hand a lot of good people that are being decieved and controlled and miserable and depressed and repressed. it matters because i care about people and i think its a shame that people can waste their lives on a useless man made religeon when they could of been having fun."
Do you realize Sienna that your very words were probably spoken by ancient Israelites to other Israelites about the ones that were following and believing all that was being said and done by a man who the followers called the messiah?
"Answer me this, Would jesus deny any person to enter his temple just because they had a cup of tea or coffee?? i think not, he was not so controlling or shallow."
I know people in the LDS church who have a cup of joe or tea from time to time and tell their bishop while getting a temple reccomend and they have not been held back from going to it. If you know of a different situation, you should go and speak to that bishop and ask about his decision. Have people been kept back who admit they drink coffee and or tea daily? A possibility. Besides caffine their are chemicals in tea and coffee that are not good for you and can cause physical problems. The FDA has said as much through many reviews of evidence through long term studies of constant use of tea and or coffee in control and non-control groups. Doctors will tell most not to drinkmore then one cup a day of joe or tea and much less or none if possible. Doctors now will tell a pregnate woman not to drink coffee and many different types of tea. Herbal tea is usually exempt if used in moderationbecause it usually does not contain caffine or other chemicals other regular teas contain.
The point being here is a kid in his early 20's in the early 18o0's put a warning on two then popular hot drinks that science a 100 years later would valadate. What irks Christians is that Smith said God told him about this warning. They laughed at him then and they laughed at him till science proved he 'guessed' correctly. Now Christians just debate the pros and cons of 'hot-drinks' and feel moderation is the key issue.
"What about the temple underwear? i know these items of clothing exist, iv been told by the missionaries and various church members. what kind of religeon makes you wear uncomfortable undergarments resembling a vest and shorts, AND THEN have to wear a bra and pants ON TOP OF THESE ridiculous items?"
I really can't answer this. It is something they believe in. Them wearing temple clothing does not cause any sins to my knowledge. It doesn't cause them to do harm, etc. But the meaning of those garments does cause those who believe in them and wear them to live extremely faithful/righteous lives as is possible for each believing Lds person. I see no sin in that one either.
Now compare a time when certain clothing was expected by God Himself to be worn by those ancient men called priests who entered the various temples they built to God. These verses specify the priests entering the temple. Whether the people had certain garments to be worn also is unknown to Jewish scholars of our time. As you read remember this ordinance commandment given to Moses..."This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants."
Exodus 28-29 (New International Version)
The Priestly Garments
1 "Have Aaron your brother brought to you from among the Israelites, along with his sons Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, so they may serve me as priests. 2 Make sacred garments for your brother Aaron, to give him dignity and honor. 3 Tell all the skilled men to whom I have given wisdom in such matters that they are to make garments for Aaron, for his consecration, so he may serve me as priest. 4 These are the garments they are to make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a woven tunic, a turban and a sash. They are to make these sacred garments for your brother Aaron and his sons, so they may serve me as priests. 5 Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen.
The Ephod
6 "Make the ephod of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen—the work of a skilled craftsman. 7 It is to have two shoulder pieces attached to two of its corners, so it can be fastened. 8 Its skillfully woven waistband is to be like it—of one piece with the ephod and made with gold, and with blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and with finely twisted linen.
9 "Take two onyx stones and engrave on them the names of the sons of Israel 10 in the order of their birth—six names on one stone and the remaining six on the other. 11 Engrave the names of the sons of Israel on the two stones the way a gem cutter engraves a seal. Then mount the stones in gold filigree settings 12 and fasten them on the shoulder pieces of the ephod as memorial stones for the sons of Israel. Aaron is to bear the names on his shoulders as a memorial before the LORD. 13 Make gold filigree settings 14 and two braided chains of pure gold, like a rope, and attach the chains to the settings.
The Breastpiece
15 "Fashion a breastpiece for making decisions—the work of a skilled craftsman. Make it like the ephod: of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen. 16 It is to be square—a span [a] long and a span wide—and folded double. 17 Then mount four rows of precious stones on it. In the first row there shall be a ruby, a topaz and a beryl; 18 in the second row a turquoise, a sapphire and an emerald; 19 in the third row a jacinth, an agate and an amethyst; 20 in the fourth row a chrysolite, an onyx and a jasper. [c] Mount them in gold filigree settings. 21 There are to be twelve stones, one for each of the names of the sons of Israel, each engraved like a seal with the name of one of the twelve tribes.
22 "For the breastpiece make braided chains of pure gold, like a rope. 23 Make two gold rings for it and fasten them to two corners of the breastpiece. 24 Fasten the two gold chains to the rings at the corners of the breastpiece, 25 and the other ends of the chains to the two settings, attaching them to the shoulder pieces of the ephod at the front. 26 Make two gold rings and attach them to the other two corners of the breastpiece on the inside edge next to the ephod. 27 Make two more gold rings and attach them to the bottom of the shoulder pieces on the front of the ephod, close to the seam just above the waistband of the ephod. 28 The rings of the breastpiece are to be tied to the rings of the ephod with blue cord, connecting it to the waistband, so that the breastpiece will not swing out from the ephod.
29 "Whenever Aaron enters the Holy Place, he will bear the names of the sons of Israel over his heart on the breastpiece of decision as a continuing memorial before the LORD. 30 Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece, so they may be over Aaron's heart whenever he enters the presence of the LORD. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the LORD.
Other Priestly Garments
31 "Make the robe of the ephod entirely of blue cloth, 32 with an opening for the head in its center. There shall be a woven edge like a collar [d] around this opening, so that it will not tear. 33 Make pomegranates of blue, purple and scarlet yarn around the hem of the robe, with gold bells between them. 34 The gold bells and the pomegranates are to alternate around the hem of the robe. 35 Aaron must wear it when he ministers. The sound of the bells will be heard when he enters the Holy Place before the LORD and when he comes out, so that he will not die.
36 "Make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it as on a seal:HOLY TO THE LORD. 37 Fasten a blue cord to it to attach it to the turban; it is to be on the front of the turban. 38 It will be on Aaron's forehead, and he will bear the guilt involved in the sacred gifts the Israelites consecrate, whatever their gifts may be. It will be on Aaron's forehead continually so that they will be acceptable to the LORD.
39 "Weave the tunic of fine linen and make the turban of fine linen. The sash is to be the work of an embroiderer. 40 Make tunics, sashes and headbands for Aaron's sons, to give them dignity and honor. 41 After you put these clothes on your brother Aaron and his sons, anoint and ordain them. Consecrate them so they may serve me as priests.
42 "Make linen undergarments as a covering for the body, reaching from the waist to the thigh. 43 Aaron and his sons must wear them whenever they enter the Tent of Meeting or approach the altar to minister in the Holy Place, so that they will not incur guilt and die.
"This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants
My point is that even the Bible records God telling his followers that certain ways of dressing, customs and doing things have always been a part of worshipping him.
We know of no special dress code from Christ because none is mentioned in the NT. That does not mean one did not exist. It just means there is nothing to read of it. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/8/2008 11:28:21 PM |
Ok...now I may not be a practising member anymore and do not believe a lot of there beliefs anymore but OMG some of the things I have seen in here about the Mormon religion are ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS...and ...lemme clarify, it is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints
Care to share which "things" are ridiculous? Or are we to guess?
Vague, vague, vague...*yawn*
I was curious as to the WHERE some of you are getting your information from and what you might "think" you know. For those that are/have been members that "think" doesn't apply, but to the others....I am really curious. About what? Vague, bla bla
I am not Mormon. I am, however, weekly visiting with a pair of them to discuss their doctrine. I have only had 2 visits so far but have yet to find them off base..(I'll get back with ya, if you sincerely are curious..
~One is wise to refrain from judgment of any person who calls on the name of Christ, me thinks.. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:49:15 AM | i have been too also visiting the church, and i am not going to waste any more time chatting to the brainwashed. i believe in my beliefs, i believe jesus christ as my saviour and that through faith alone i will go to a place that is called heaven.(not one of the three new and improved "KINGDOMS")
I am not a selfish person, and i also do not wish to become a god or a goddess, i do not wish to be worshipped. I am a humble and a kind person and do my best in life. that is good enough for me.
i believe there is only one god. and i am certainly am not going to become one, unlike you amazing mormon people. carrry on. i'll see you when you get there. hahahahaha | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 9:33:02 AM | by the way, i work for a gp and he has been a gp for the past 40 years and has a great knowledge of medical facts. and guess what. tea and coffee arent bad for you.
and as for the garments, you try wearing an itchy cotton all in one garment and a tight bra on top and tell me how you feel. Trussed up is the word. yeah you will live a chase life! but then again you could always wear a metal chastity belt for the same effect. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 11:40:45 AM | "by the way, i work for a gp and he has been a gp for the past 40 years and has a great knowledge of medical facts. and guess what. tea and coffee arent bad for you."
I have one question Sienna, have you did any research on the factual side effects that caffine in it's various forms...coffee-tea-choclate-energy drinks-energy pills-etc., has on a person's body when used beyond moderation?
Here's the fact as I stated before. A kid in the early 1800's 'guessed' two main and favored hot drinks of the time were not good for the body. A hundred plus years later medical science would show his 'guess' was very accurate. If you really want some 'extra' good health, refain from coffee and tea. You will be the better for it.
"and i am not going to waste any more time chatting to the brainwashed"
The brain washed Sienna are those listening to people who live every single waking moment trying their best to prove to others how wrong other people are about a specific belief, be whatever it may be about. People who are so hell bent trying to prove how 'correct' they are and how 'incorrect' the rest of the world is are using brain washing techniques to prove their point.
"i believe jesus christ as my saviour and that through faith alone"
You would do well to read James in the NT. He would quickly disagree with you that faith alone causes salvation.
"i will go to a place that is called heaven.(not one of the three new and improved "KINGDOMS")" You should read 2 Cor. 12:2 It speaks of a man being caught up to the third heaven. Explain it how you may.
I realize a lot of people think we are all going to the same heaven or hell. Well even Christ in John 3:3-5 spoke of the differences of "seeing the kingdom of God" and "entering the kingdom of God". Explain it how you may.
No one here is trying to brain wash you. You have questions and statements fire away. But as open as you are to asking questions and making statements be open to considering the replys. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 1:30:49 PM | there is a lovely website for you to read called exmormon.org
on there it talks about the pattern of the double bind in mormonism. it talks about brainwashing mormons.
Im not here to brainwash anybody I am merely stating my opinions.
i have my beliefs. you have yours. dont reply to me because im not interested in anything you have to say, just have you are not interested in what I have to say. You are the weakest link. goodbye. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 2:36:17 PM | Been nice chatting to someone with such an open mind that they in a couple months study have deduced that the entire religion is wrong and incorrect. You continue to read all that 'correct' and 'non-biased' anti-religious material.
Let me know if you need links to any other anti-religious sites. I learned a lot about biased-predjiduced views by chatting with one of the more famous anti-Mormons of the 80's...John Smith of Oklahoma.
The one thing you didn't do when coming to this thread Sienna was to learn and or understand. See-ya! | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 3:14:43 PM | god bless you montanana, im off to a christian church on sunday.
I'm sorry that you had to lower yourself to my level with your sarcasm.
i dont need any more antimormon links, im a quick learner, it doesnt take a brain surgeon to work out that joseph smith was a con artist.
oh and ill be keeping my 10 percent tithing money too so alls good. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/9/2008 3:21:47 PM | | Here is a great scripture I ran across yesterday, while trying to use the sword against my brother. It has really convicted me. We all (myself included) would be wise to listen: " Knowledge puffs up, love builds up." | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/10/2008 12:44:18 PM | For Nevralone...Utah Missions Inc. John ran his anti-Mormon site for 35 years before retiring. Others ran his site and things happened so he came out of retirement to run it again till someone else heads it up.
Sarcasm can be a good thing at times Sienna. Itis just my opinion that if you wish to know about the LDS religion, find one or more un-biased sources that will explain what you don't understand.
As I offered up before, if you have questions and wish unbiased answers so far as I can give an answer, ask away. But if you seek biased answers and view points, I can give you a list of anti-Mormon sites on the web. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/10/2008 5:24:58 PM |
they go around preaching a bible that isn't even real...walking up to total strangers and trying to convert them even if they claim there not they are....they make ppl lose there kids...what else they control your life and you have to give up a whole bunch of things just because of a religion...how stupid is that....i'm surprised they don't get beat up for it...going around talking to strangers and having the nerve to invade your privacy so they can control you...they need to go cause there not doing anything helpful except annoying ppl
That applies to ALL the christian cults... | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/10/2008 8:18:37 PM |
and wish unbiased answers so far as I can give an answer, ask away
...your answers are more twisted that a pack of twizzlers and about as unbiased as if Joseph Smith himself were giving the answers...... | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/10/2008 10:14:16 PM |
Posted By: montanan76 on 3/9/2008 1  45 PM Subject: What is it with the Mormon thing Message: "by the way, i work for a gp and he has been a gp for the past 40 years and has a great knowledge of medical facts. and guess what. tea and coffee arent bad for you." I have one question Sienna, have you did any research on the factual side effects that caffine in it's various forms...coffee-tea-choclate-energy drinks-energy pills-etc., has on a person's body when used beyond moderation?
Actually, tea is good for you - be sure to read down to get references to the published articles in internationally recognized medical journals - a simple google search will yield more than one can read in one sitting:
http://www.2basnob.com/health-benefits-of-tea.html - or even better:
http://www.tea.co.uk/healthresearch.php | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/10/2008 10:55:22 PM | Although I'm not a Mormon, I did an essay here a while back and as a result, had to do some research. The fault many fundamental Christians have with Mormonism is the Mormon belief that man's destiny is to evolve into Godhood, i.e., to become gods. There is a popular Mormon quote that emphasizes this: "As man is, God once was: as God is, man may become."
Unlike most Christian doctrine, Mormons believe it was necessary for Adam to fall by eating the forbidden fruit. Had he not, he and Eve would never have had children. Adam had to fall for the rest of us to exist. In effect, it was pre-ordained by God.
Mormons believe that everyone qualifies to go to heaven. And while some fundamental Christian churches do as well, they do it only upon the qualification that the vile of the world achieve grace and repentance from God.
In 1843, the young Joseph Smith received a revelation that authorized polygamy. Many suggest that Smith and his band of young men merely wanted to satisfy base libido urges by sanctioning poly-amorous rights to pious young female parishioners under the guise of matrimonial revelationary legitimacy.
According to some religious scholars (Hank Hanegraaf, for example), The Book of Mormon is silly and false. Hanagraaf says: “How millions can take The Book of Mormon seriously is almost beyond comprehension” (2004, Page 250, Hank Hanegraaf, The Bible Answer Book) | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/11/2008 9:00:08 AM | I have one question Sienna, have you did any research on the factual side effects that caffine in it's various forms...coffee-tea-choclate-energy drinks-energy pills-etc., has on a person's body when used beyond moderation?
Caffeine in excess is not good for you, this is true, but decaffinated tea and coffee are also forbidden if you are a mormon, but coke full of caffeine is allowed, so it doesnt make sense really. Also the words of wisdom say "no hot drinks" and the leaders have took it to interpret them how it suits.
Also as sage points out, it is the mormons belief that our fall from god was part of gods plan. then why are we told that there are no grey areas with god? He forbade adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, God is not a trickster, he would not forbid us to do something in order that we do it, he is straightforward. (Genesis 3:1-5) it was the devils word that made eve eat from the tree of knowledge. | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/11/2008 10:03:01 AM | It's extremely common for many people to state their opinions of other religions,
after never having done any research on these religions. Mormons, JW, Paganism,
and Islam are a few of the religions which people are quick off the mark to expound
on. And chances are they have not read or researched anything on the subject.
I am Wiccan and have heard the most ridiculous things said about it. One of the most
common one is that we are Satan worshipers. Now if these people had read anything
on the subject , they would know that we don't even believe in Satan. So there ya go...... | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/11/2008 11:00:27 AM | yes that is true isis, I however have researched my subject well, i have read a lot of the book of mormon, i have been attending the church for 3 months as an investigator (the services last three hours and you get mormon lessons aswell ) i have the gospel principles book, history of joseph smith, and have had about 40 hours worth of teaching from the missionaries, they came to see me nearly every day. so i have had my fair share of research.
I didnt enter their church to ridicule it, i went to the church full of hope, with a genuine faith and hope that i had found the true church. i also took my son along. i also prayed to god to show me the way. The answers I have found along the way have been disturbing.
A lot of people on this site speaking out against mormonism are also ex mormons them selves or studied religeon as a whole too. Are there any ex mormons on here that would agree? | |
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| What is it with the Mormon thing
Posted: 3/11/2008 4:43:55 PM | Who the hell cares about Mormons, or any other silly religeon? [sic] - romanticone2
> Religion.
> Soul Union. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 7:06:10 PM | We all have opinions Crash...doesn't mean your any more correct then the rest of us... By the way Crash, it is not what I say that is twisted but instead it is the way that you percieve what I have said that only then gets twisted...lololol ;)
For those that don't know the story and how the Word of Wisdom for LDS became established the following is from their church web site from a book they have for teachers...
"The School of the Prophets met often to discuss the gospel and Church business. Many of the men smoked or chewed tobacco during the meetings. (You may want to explain that at this time people did not know that tobacco was bad for their bodies.) The first thing the brethren did when they gathered for meetings was light their pipes. They smoked as they talked, and when they were not smoking they would chew tobacco. As they chewed the tobacco, they would spit it all over the floor. Joseph Smith did not like teaching the school “in a cloud of tobacco smoke,” and Emma Smith did not like cleaning up the mess the men made with their pipes and chewing tobacco (Brigham Young, in Journal of Discourses, 12:158).
On 27 February 1833 Joseph Smith entered the room where the School of the Prophets was held. The room was filled with tobacco smoke. Joseph had just come from the clean outside air, and the smell of smoke offended him. He left the room and asked the Lord what he should do about the situation. The Lord answered Joseph’s prayer with the revelation we now call the Word of Wisdom (D&C 89)."
A post by Sienna...."...but decaffinated tea and coffee are also forbidden if you are a mormon, but coke full of caffeine is allowed, so it doesnt make sense really. Also the words of wisdom say "no hot drinks" and the leaders have took it to interpret them how it suits."
The following comes from the lds.org site....
"Many of the Lord’s laws of health are found in Doctrine and Covenants 89. This section, called the Word of Wisdom, tells us what to eat and what not to eat. Among the substances we are warned against are strong drinks, hot drinks, and tobacco.
Our bodies house our eternal spirits. They will serve the same function in eternity. Our bodies are so important that the Apostle Paul called them “temple[s] of God” (1 Corinthians 3:17). Because our experiences affect our bodies and spirits, we must be careful to keep our bodies clean and healthy.
Hot drinks are defined as coffee and tea. However, our Church leaders have told us not to use any beverage that contains drugs or other ingredients that are harmful or habit forming.
We should always avoid any other substances, including food or drink, that will create unnatural desires or cravings or upset the natural functions of our bodies. Failure to do so will cause us great personal misery."
As was pointed out by Dave of tea and I include coffee they have their good points, especially teas. But they also have their side effects and coffee and tea have their addicting trait...caffine. Ever been around someone who can't get a day going without that first cup of coffee or tea?  Untill I became addicted to each at different times I had no idea how much they could change your normal attitude when you didn't get your regular cup.
There doesn't have to be a lot of talk about hot drinks really. Smith wrote it on paper that certain things were not good for the body. He got it right before anyone else would. Plain and simple.
One established fact for Lds AND non-Lds people who abstain from the various caffine-alcohol-tobacco type products, they usually have exceptional health and unusual long life spans.
A real true LDS person following all commandments to the best of their ability will not make exceptions and won't drink anything with caffine or partake of other possible harmful substances via food or drink. If a person is LDS and eats/drinks caffinated products you are seeing someone making an exception to the rules they are suppose to want to obey.  | |
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