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Posted: 9/23/2006 1:31:28 PM | I know Iranians are Persian... But I dispute that this website is easy to create. Go ahead and make one... Lets see. Seriously, even in English... make a website thats 1/2 the website that I cited. I dare you.
You'll have to find your own audio... I have no idea where that speach is and can't do searches in Persian. Actually... along those lines... what the hell would you do with a Persian speach? Do you speak it? If not, why would you need it? Once someone translates it, its already biased according to your view... unless you are suggesting that it never happened. And don't go saying that the speach never happened... with quotes all over the place, supporting and against Iran, its impossible that the speach didn't happen. Its just a case of whos translation do you believe. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2006 1:33:55 PM |
yes, propaganda, lets see who's spitting it out...
"I take back the comment of the identifying marks... because I found:"
Now really look at what you found. Which do you believe? English.aljezeera.net or www.aljezeera.net or the translated pages from aljezeera.net? Not to mention aljezeera.com.
Frankly, I'm a little confused with strangebloom's link ... it acts very hinky with my browser ... constantly refreshes itself unprovoked ... and doesn't allow one to select specific text.
There seems to be some issue in the exact translation of the original quote and which translation is chosen to be used that would make aljazeera.net suspect. I’m also suspect of news articles that don’t have an author.
They also source the translation being from the INSA and when I wiki that page it says the neutrality of it's generally positive review of INSA is disputed ... but if one follows the link to the dispute nothing is displayed?
I hate to be paranoid but linking to aljazeera.net ... feels almost like an attempted browser hi-jack ... or 'something unusual' ... (homeland surveilance?) ... is going on.
Of course it just maybe some bad java code that doesn't like my Mac OS and browser combo, but very few sites act like this.
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Posted: 9/23/2006 1:51:11 PM | darjy,
I have not had any issues with it... But I use Win XP... I will copy paste it for you.
Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map
Wednesday 26 October 2005, 19:03 Makka Time, 16:03 GMT
Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.
"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.
"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.
His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.
Call for unity
Addressing about 4000 students gathered in an Interior Ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point "where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".
Khatami was in favour of
'dialogue among civilisations'
"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam".
The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.
"We should not settle for a piece of land," he said of Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip.
"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.
"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."
Major change
Ahmadinejad, a veteran of Iran's hardline Revolutionary Guards, took office in August after scoring a landslide win in a June presidential election.
His tone represents a major change from that of former president Mohammad Khatami, whose favoured topic was "dialogue among civilisations" and who led an effort to improve Iran's relations with the West.
But Ahmadinejad instead spoke of a "historic war".
"It dates backs hundreds of years. Sometimes Islam has advanced. Sometimes nobody was winning. Unfortunately over the past 300 years, the world of Islam has been in retreat," he lamented.
"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land"
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
President of Iran
"One hundred years ago the last trench of Islam fell, when the oppressors went towards the creation the Zionist regime. It is using it as a fort to spread its aims in the heart of the Islamic world."
In September, Bahrain announced it was ending a decades-old law banning trade ties with Israel. Earlier this month, Qatar said it was donating US$6 million to help build a soccer stadium for a mixed Arab-Jewish team, the first such financial assistance by an Arab state for any town inside Israel.
Unprecedented steps
The modest but unprecedented steps were seen as a response to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in September. Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad said, "There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world."
"Ahmadinejad has clearly declared the doctrine of his government. He is returning Iran to the revolutionary goals it was pursuing in the 1980s," said Mohammad Sadeq Hosseini, an expert on Middle Eastern affairs.
"By these comments, Ahmadinejad is committing himself to those goals. He is also sending the message that his government won't back down."
Israeli response
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev issued a vague response. "Today, Israelis heard two extremists speak openly about destroying the Jewish state. One was the new president of Iran, and the other was the leader of Hamas, Mahmoud Zahar.
Scott McClellan said US fears
have proved accurate
"And it appears the problem with these extremists is that they followed through on their violent declarations with violent actions."
The United States said Ahmadinejad's remarks proved the accuracy of Washington's fears about Iran's contentious nuclear programme.
"I think it reconfirms what we have been saying about the regime in Iran. It underscores the concerns we have about Iran's nuclear intentions," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
Ebrahim Yazdi, a former Iranian foreign minister, said Ahmadinejad's remarks harmed Iran.
"Such comments provoke the international community against us. It's not to Iran's interests at all. It's harmful to Iran to make such a statement," he said.
He said the comments gave Israel justification for urging the world to take a tougher stand against Iran and refer its nuclear programme to the UN Security Council for
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Posted: 9/23/2006 7:27:50 PM | Strange
You'll have to find your own audio... I have no idea where that speach is and can't do searches in Persian. Actually... along those lines... what the hell would you do with a Persian speach? Do you speak it? If not, why would you need it? Once someone translates it, its already biased according to your view... unless you are suggesting that it never happened. And don't go saying that the speach never happened... with quotes all over the place, supporting and against Iran, its impossible that the speach didn't happen. Its just a case of whos translation do you believe.
Yes. I do. I have studied different languages and lived in those countries and will be going to a South Asian country in coming November. So it doesn't matter to me whether it is in Farsi, Pushtu, Arabic, English, Hindi, Urdu or Punjabi. I can't understand all these languages.
Shamrock
WHY IS IRAN even a debate?????
Who knows bullying powers with their Nuclear weapons would attack Iran, so Iran needs defense as well. If you want to remove Nuclear Weapons, we had better start with US as it is the only country you should be afraid of as it has past history of using Nuclear weapons on humans.
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Posted: 9/23/2006 8:17:13 PM |
Who knows bullying powers with their Nuclear weapons would attack Iran, so Iran needs defense as well. If you want to remove Nuclear Weapons, we had better start with US as it is the only country you should be afraid of as it has past history of using Nuclear weapons on humans.
Let's face it, we raced the NAZI's in the development of NUKES.
If I remember history right, the sinking of a single NAZI boat carry a crucial shipment of heavy water stole the NAZI advantage.
Yeah we were the first to NUKE, but those were different days.
At least we have a record of "control" and containment in regards to NUKES. I just can't see Iran not tossing one on Isreal...or somehow holding a NUKE gun to some counties head. The culture of HATE in the middle east is thick. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2006 9:47:51 PM | Darjeeling....
After reading your post..I must admit that maybe I am a bit biased..In the future I will do my best to understand BOTH sides....
I am having a hard time with Hamas not willing to negociate though...Would it not be to the betterment of all involved? | |
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| Setting the Record Straight on Wiping Israel Off the Face of the Map
Posted: 9/24/2006 10:46:39 AM | At least we have a record of "control" and containment in regards to NUKES. I just can't see Iran not tossing one on Isreal...or somehow holding a NUKE gun to some counties head. The culture of HATE in the middle east is thick.
Thank you for the informed opinion coming from someone with unsurpassed knowledge of world affairs and Middle Eastern politics 
@ Strange
I think by now you appreciate that the statement "Wiping Israel Off the Face of the Map" is a mistranslation that seems to be getting a lot of play time. Even MEMRI with a history of political bias translated as "This regime that occupies Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time" ... but more importantly ... it is no secret that Iran ... as well as Iraq and Afghanistan, based on the speeches given at the UN past week ... as well as the resolution drafted by the none aligned movement that represents 114 to 118 countries are also sympathetic to the Palestinian situation.
No one in the middle east is happy with Israel having Nukes and living under that gun. IAEA so far has certified that Iran is not only far from enriching Uranium to weapons grade, but also, if you knew something about Nuclear Weapons Engineering, you would agree that weapons grade Uranium would only result in building first generation Atomic Bombs that are heavy, low yield and almost impossible to deliver by missiles.
In addition, the vents of the past 2 decades are clear example of cultures seeking self determination. Yugoslavia broke up, Soviet Union broke up even new principalities in Europe have formed to that effect.
War and use of force has also been demonstrated as a poor choice of strategy to effect change. Soviets lost to Afghans and Chechen's. Americans lost in Korea, Vietnam and now facing another loss in Iraq with devastating results.
True change can only come from cooperation and dialogue, not through threats and projection of military power .. and the sooner the US administration realizes that, the sooner Americans can once again join the greater international community and end animosities between nations. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2006 10:51:11 AM | @RWGG
I am having a hard time with Hamas not willing to negociate though...Would it not be to the betterment of all involved?
When anyone is 'unwilling' to negotiate everybody has a harder time ... except that it was NOT Hamas that has been unwilling to negotiate but Israel and the US ... in a reprehensible display of idiocy and hypocricy, Israel and the US used the unexpected political victory of Hamas' in last January's election as an reason to impose a collective punishment against the Palestinian people for participating in the democratic process.
The punishment imposed by Israel and the US was to dry up all economic avenues of support for the Palestinians, designed with the express purpose of disabling the ability of Hamas to govern responsibly or more acurately be given any opportunity to govern at all.
The effect of laying economic seige against the Palestinians was a substantial disintegration of governance in all regards ... and developed into serious shortages in basic foods and medicines necessary for the health and survival of Palestinian children. *(see note)
How can we say we are for freedom and democracy when we subvert the very process? We are the ones who have not recognized the duly elected government, the choice made by the Palestinians.
And we have done so on the flimsiest of pretexts ... this issue of Hamas' charter recognition of Israel's 'right to exist' {for a more complete understanding of that issue go to the link on the last post to the piece in Counterpunch}.
More stunning is the fact that Hamas had declared a cessation of engaging in 'armed conflict' against Israel in February of 2005 ... a virtual one sided ceasefire ... one that Israel did not honor or reciprocate, which they held incidentally until the Gaza Beach incident last June 2006.
This proves at the very least that Hamas was moving in a direction of moderation ... and their political victory could have been viewed as an opportunity to get them to move further along that road ... additionally the very pretext of Hamas' recognition of Israels 'right to exist' was being negotiated between Hamas and the PA under Mamoud Abbas immediately prior to the calamities that transpired this past summer.
So in my mind it wasn't at all Palestinian intransigence toward dialogue and negotiation but infact Israel and the US who not only refused to having any dialogue with Hamas but have embarked on a path of subterfuge and provocation to undermine any opportunity for developing a peace process.
*Note: This is eactly the type of thing that leads to militantcy ... things done to Palestinain adults may perhaps be excused in a climate of conflict, suspicion, occupation ... but when the draconian policies of the West start to threaten the very lives of their children ... well it is no different in any culture really ... attacks on the least able to defend themselves ... the elderly, women and children ... you are bound to get a reaction.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 3:44:50 PM |
True change can only come from cooperation and dialogue, not through threats and projection of military power .. and the sooner the US administration realizes that, the sooner Americans can once again join the greater international community and end animosities between nations.
I agree with that... But I hope that other nations will also. ;)
I am not sure that the US will lose Iraq. It has everything to do with popular support. (Beyond POF support, which I know is low)... As long as enough citizens believe in it, right or wrong, we'll be there.
Given enough time, change of administration, some good decisions, we can have some measure of success there... presuming our goal is for them to freely choose their own government and we respect their choice when it comes.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 5:13:03 PM | | When there is an administration change in Washington..if the new admin does not show stregnth and determination...the violence in the Mid East will increase. If a Dem wins..he will need to show the groups like Hamas...Hezbolla and Al Quaida that we are still strong and willing to use force if they will not come to the bargining table. Either way...war will continue. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2006 5:18:29 PM | If a Dem wins..he will need to show the groups like Hamas...Hezbolla and Al Quaida that we are still strong and willing to use force if they will not come to the bargining table.
I wouldn't put Al Qaeda in that group. They are the scum of the earth .. aside from that ... Agreed ... but the main point is coming to the bargaining table.
Everyone wants to sit at the bargaining table ... it's this administration that doesn't want to talk to anyone. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2006 7:09:15 AM |
Yeah we were the first to NUKE, but those were different days.
I don't see your logic here. When the US nuked Japan it was in retaliation to Pearl Harbour. When the US invaded Afghanistan then Iraq, Carpet bombing the hell out of Iraq, it was in retaliation to 9/11.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not taking the terrorrists side here. All I'm pointing out is that the US seems to show a history using excessive force when people fly planes into their buildings.
At least we have a record of "control" and containment in regards to NUKES.
Yeah it's called selling them to Israel. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 10:40:34 AM | how after WWII, Jews were given land in Israel for their own
It's more complicated than that. First watch the movie "Lawrence of Arabia". It's a pretty good depiction of how the British were doing badly in Arabia. TE Lawrence did what the Brits considered impossible but he was only able todo this by mobilizing Arab forces who had been promised Arab self rule by the colonial British if they succeded. Longing for this freedom they did what was asked - they did the impossible and drove the Turks out of Akaba. But! Then instead of getting self rule the Brits carved up the land and created Isreal instead.
I worked for an Arab company in LA for a couple of years and it was a real eye opener. As one of two non-muslims there (I'm an atheist, my boss was Jewish) we had many discussions with them about politics. Upon finding some Hebrew National salami in the fridge one time my boss asked about this. We were told "we have nothing against the jews - we believe in the same God. We have political issues with Israel based on what the British did, but we arabs and the jewish people are all semitic people, we are brothers". He then went on to rail agsint Hindus for worshiping cows, but the real anger was directed towards the British - actually the English. A lot of them were fairly snotty towards me, upon finding out why and explaining I'm Welsh not English their attitude changed. And it probably didn't help that it was a Rothschild that changed the plan from Arab self rule to the creation of Isreal. Allegedly he held the mortgage on some Lord who had aegis over this Arab decision.
Once the facts are mad clear there has to be a certain sympathy for Iran. In the 50s the Brits were taking all the oil out and not giving much money to the Iranian government. The democratically elected moderate pro western Iranian president began complaining about this and the Brits went to Eisenhower to "get his help on this matter". Eisenhower declared the Iranian president to be a communist and he was forcibly removed. The CIA installed the Shah whose 20 year repressive regime was so horrific it set the stage for a radical Khomeni to get to power by a coup. Things became more and more liberal in Iran for years culminating in the 9/11 attack when a MILLION Iranians demonstrated in favour and support of the US in the streets of Tehran in a show of support for the lost US lives.
Now look where we are. To figure out how the US has screwed this up so badly, in the words of recently retired pentagon officials - "follow the money". | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 7:02:03 PM | What many people dont know is that Israel was founded by terrorits-the British Army listed the Stern Gang and Bengurions networks as terrorist cells-they blew up and shot hundreds of christian and moslem Arabs-and hung British soldiers from the orchards-culminating in the notorious Zionist bomb outrage at the King David Hotel-killing 93, mostly civilans-17 of the victims were fellow Jews.
The man resp[onsible became Israel's first Prime Ministe-just as the man behind the Qibya village massacre, Ariel Sharon (whose further involvement on the Sabra/Shatila massacres is well-documented) later also became Prime Minister.
Mny of you speak of Hmas as if they caused this violence-Hmas never existed until long after therir land was brutally occupied-most of Israel's settlement-building took place in the 80's-during the first peaceful Intifada.
So the theory that Israel's checkpoints, illegal settlements and illegal wall are "defensive measures" all caused by Palestinan terror is a complete lie.
And for those that dont know-israel was offered peace in return for ending the occupation by President Sadat of Egypt in 1971. Israel rejected peace and continued occupying more of the Egyptian Sinai.
I 2001-at Taba, after Camp David's insufficient Israeli offer (israel offered less than is required by international law)Barak and Arafat were according to Israel "on the brink of an agreement". Israel had improved their offer from the earlier Camp David one-Arafat had accepted. Then Israel sensationaly canceled the negotations.
because Barak was facing an upcomig election-and under pressure from the Zionist Right-not to be seen to "surrender" land to the Arabs.
And in 2002 Israel and the U.S blocked the Geneva Accords. Just as the U.S had vetoed the resolution in 1976.
Netanyahu and Shimon Perez went on record as saying "the palestinans dont need another homeland between Jordan and the sea" in 2000.
If any of you heard the disgraceful racism against Arabs that leading Israel politicians and national newspaspers express routinely-you would have a different view on the origins of this struggle.
Palestinans are treated like dirt, their homes are bulldozed without warning-they are shot like rats and are caged in between walls and settlements, in squalid and filthy conditions-many stareving, while the settlers just across the wall live in affluence-on land that they stole from the Palestinians.
Under international law-Israel's actions and its occupation and West Bank settlements included in the so-called "roadmap" are all completely illegal.
Yet they get away with flouting the law. And stealing the only arable land and water resurces the palestinians have-for settler fanatics to build on.
The chief Justice of the ICJ (the International Court of Justice) said in 2006 "israels annexation of Jerusalem and fragmentation of the West Bank and the sections of Israel's security wall that are inside the internationally-recognised Green Line, are, ipso facto, in direct violation of international law".
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Posted: 5/26/2007 10:59:54 PM |
I don't see your logic here. When the US nuked Japan it was in retaliation to Pearl Harbour.
No. The Japanese has been trying to surrender all summer. They wanted a conditional surrender to save some face. The war could have been over months before, but Truman wanted no part of that, he distrusted the Russians and wanted to show who was in charge. Eidenhower hated the bomb, didn't want to drop it and opined that he wished it had never been invented. Every president since WWII has lied about war ant the lie this time was "it'll save 1,000,000 US lives'. If they were really interested in that they could have accepted Japans surrender earlier. Even if they didn't soldiers killing soldiers is war - the bomb killed women and children and non-combatants. For all the US talk about "so and so may use the bomb" the IS still the only country in the world to have used it.
Truman got his way and the cold war began. Welcome to the thermonuclear era. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 3:37:15 PM | Let's face it, we raced the NAZI's in the development of NUKES.
If I remember history right, the sinking of a single NAZI boat carry a crucial shipment of heavy water stole the NAZI advantage.
Yeah we were the first to NUKE, but those were different days.
actually that is wrong hitler told is scientists to stop as it was taking heaps of money and also the wee boat the allies sank during the 2nd world war didn't have enough heavy water in it.also russia has a history to of selling weapons of mass destruction to middle eastern countries.like iraq. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 5:04:25 PM | Leave tiny isreal alone they are free nation in the middle east. Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebenon are basket cases. I would support Isreal if push came to shove its disgusting with what the consirpacy theoriest come up with with Isreal. Isreal in 5 mintues could take half the middle easy. Rememeber the six day war in 1967 Isreal had to grab land to protect its borders.  For a free and democratic Isreal, and Islamic people that want to kill innocent people not involved in this bloodshed should have thier hands stain. When 10% of the Islamic population makes 90% look bad its kind of sad actually, and economic better standard of living in the middle east would help out a lot because they have a future to look to instead of killing each other. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 7:06:23 AM | | Do you actually believe this Iranian President? remeber this is a man that traveled to Korea to see Kim Jong ills missles being tested. Under Clinton, the Clinton administration sent millions of Dollars to Kim Jong Ills regime so they would not develop Nuclear weapons. So what happened, Korea took the United States money and had anunderground secret nuclear weapons program going on. Why do people tend to believe a rouge president from another nation but can't believe our own President. It is no dobt that if Abinnemjad has nuclear weapons, he will use them and possibly against our troops in Iraq and here in the United States | |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 6:05:32 PM | (A statement by Juan Cole) from somewhere in message 1 ...
Moreover, Iran cannot fight Israel. It would be defeated in 72 hours, even if the US didn't come in, which it would (and rightly so if Israel were attacked). I don't think the US should ever get sucked into anything on Israel's behalf ... but I guess we have no choice, since they pretty much have us in their back pocket as is evident by the fact that the US is constantly coming to their aid in the UN. For sure, we do know that Israel has all of our news agencies and a whole H3ll of a lot of Washington DC in their back pockets.
"delytful" wrote (message 7) ...
(Iran) Seems like quite a barbaric dictatorship no matter what they call themselves. After so many years of them trying to exterminate jews, I will never believe that they are going to leave them alone now.
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"delytful" wrote (message 11) ...
I don't believe anything they (Iran) SAY anymore. Actions speak louder than words at this point.
"rks58" wrote (message 9) ...
Actually, Iran has a long standing Jewish minority, some of whom trace their ancestry in Iran back over 1,000 yrs. The Jewish population of Iran enjoys legal protections and even have reserved seats in the Iranian Parliament.
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"rks58" wrote (message 14) ...
Let's see, the Jewish population of Iran holds GUARANTEED seats in the Iranian parliament, Iran has minority protection laws SPECIFICALLY protecting Jews in Iran, Iran has NEVER attacked Israel or made a declaration of war on Israel. Those sound an awful lot like ACTIONS rather than words to me. All points posted in this thread so far.
"Arri" wrote (message 15) ...
The Jewish community in Iran actually goes back to over 2500 years and of all of the human empires that affected the people of Israel, the Persians did something rather unique - they permitted the return of the people of the southern kingdom of Judah to Israel 70 years after their exile by the Babylonians under King Nebuchadnezzar. That is indisputable. Also, if Iran was out to exterminate Jews ... why would they have (as of 2006) upwards of 11,000 Jewish living there ... in Iran?
Israel --- 5,313,800
United States --- 5,275,000
The United States has almost as many Jews here as they do in all of Israel. Actually, we probably have more because many Jewish people here will not divulge their religion ... they just say they are "not religious" or list themselves as "other" ... even "Christian - other".
Even here in the forums, it's evident by some of the posts that a poster is Jewish (some have admitted it), yet when you go to look at their profile ... it just says something other than Jewish. It doesn't matter to me, but I've often wondered why they won't admit it ... are they ashamed of their religion?
One thing is for certain ... I have no tolerance for Israel's "boo hooing" around as if they are always being picked on. When they give Palestine back the land they have stolen from them and give up their nuclear weapons, I might consider having some respect for Israel.
If not ... as far as I'm concerned ... they are nothing but heartless greedy hardcore Zionists. It's common knowledge that the hardcore Zionists believe only the Jewish are fit human beings ... those who are not Jewish are considered scum ... even the "christians". That information is readily available ... it's nothing I made up.
"gizmosellschickens " wrote (message 72) ...
Leave tiny isreal alone they are free nation in the middle east. Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebenon are basket cases. I would support Isreal if push came to shove its disgusting with what the consirpacy theoriest come up with with Isreal. Isreal in 5 mintues could take half the middle easy. Rememeber the six day war in 1967 Isreal had to grab land to protect its borders. LMFAO ... Israel grabbing land to "protect" it's borders. Ya right ... that'll be the day. Israel has only ever "grabbed land" to use for it's own settlements.
Oh sure ... at first they make it look like it's gonna be a "no-man's land" sort of "buffer zone" ... unfit for habitation and that's why they drive the Palestinians off of it. After a while though, it just mysteriously becomes plush green high-income settlements for the Jews.
Give me a f*cking break!!!!!
"Chevelle67" wrote (message 73) ...
It is no dobt that if Abinnemjad has nuclear weapons, he will use them and possibly against our troops in Iraq and here in the United States Well ... I don't see Iran "wiping Israel off the face of the map" anytime soon ... not that it was ever planned anyways ... 
According to the news tonight ... Iran quit working on it's nuclear program back 3 or 4 years ago. There is NO BOMB in the making. But I doubt any of those who were insisting on us "nuking" the Iranians ... will withdraw their words. | |
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Posted: 12/5/2007 6:52:19 AM | { QUOTE "Iran
Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) were directly involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups, especially Palestinian groups with leadership cadres in Syria and Lebanese Hizballah, to use terrorism in pursuit of their goals.
Iran maintained a high-profile role in encouraging anti-Israeli terrorist activity, rhetorically, operationally, and financially. Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Ahmadi-Nejad praised Palestinian terrorist operations, and Iran provided Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups - notably HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command - with extensive funding, training, and weapons.
Iran continued to play a destabilizing role in Iraq, which appeared to be inconsistent with its stated objectives regarding stability in Iraq. Iran provided guidance and training to select Iraqi Shia political groups, and weapons and training to Shia militant groups to enable anti-Coalition attacks. Iranian government forces have been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti-Coalition attacks by providing Shia militants with the capability to build IEDs with explosively formed projectiles similar to those developed by Iran and Lebanese Hizballah. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard was linked to armor-piercing explosives that resulted in the deaths of Coalition Forces. The Revolutionary Guard, along with Lebanese Hizballah, implemented training programs for Iraqi militants in the construction and use of sophisticated IED technology. These individuals then passed on this training to additional militants in Iraq.
Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior AQ members it detained in 2003, and it has refused to publicly identify these senior members in its custody. Iran has repeatedly resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its AQ detainees to their countries of origin or third countries for interrogation or trial. Iran also continued to fail to control the activities of some al-Qaida members who fled to Iran following the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan." QUOTE ENDS} From the Us State Dept. Iran
Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) were directly involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups, especially Palestinian groups with leadership cadres in Syria and Lebanese Hizballah, to use terrorism in pursuit of their goals.
Iran maintained a high-profile role in encouraging anti-Israeli terrorist activity, rhetorically, operationally, and financially. Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Ahmadi-Nejad praised Palestinian terrorist operations, and Iran provided Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups - notably HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command - with extensive funding, training, and weapons.
Iran continued to play a destabilizing role in Iraq, which appeared to be inconsistent with its stated objectives regarding stability in Iraq. Iran provided guidance and training to select Iraqi Shia political groups, and weapons and training to Shia militant groups to enable anti-Coalition attacks. Iranian government forces have been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti-Coalition attacks by providing Shia militants with the capability to build IEDs with explosively formed projectiles similar to those developed by Iran and Lebanese Hizballah. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard was linked to armor-piercing explosives that resulted in the deaths of Coalition Forces. The Revolutionary Guard, along with Lebanese Hizballah, implemented training programs for Iraqi militants in the construction and use of sophisticated IED technology. These individuals then passed on this training to additional militants in Iraq.
Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior AQ members it detained in 2003, and it has refused to publicly identify these senior members in its custody. Iran has repeatedly resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its AQ detainees to their countries of origin or third countries for interrogation or trial. Iran also continued to fail to control the activities of some al-Qaida members who fled to Iran following the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan." QUOTE ENDS} fROM THE US STATE DEPT
Iran is involved in funding and supporting terrorist activity. A poster from Pakistan on another thread mentioned that Iranian agents had been in his mosque back home, trying to recruit.
Probably so called freinds like Saudi Arabia funds more terrorist activity, but Iran does its little bit too. | |
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