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Posted: 12/26/2010 10:23:55 AM | | I think the death penalty is the easy way out, but I suppose it would cost less and free up prison space. I think if the death penalty was to be brought back, most people would be disagreeing with it, they only want it now because they know it will never happen. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2010 8:09:16 PM | | The death penalty is dragonian and stupid. Every one of the subtlties you want to summoun and mention are also stupid. Its not ever about what you want, its always about what is required and needed. And killing somebody because they did damage is not an answer. Reduction.....to an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Ack. Free up those who stole a loaf of bread...ack. Or those who stole more...yawn. Then...consider those who cannot keep their hands to themselves and hurt and maim and insist on their inner urges. Restrain and examine what is your living environment. What are your schools, social services, government for? Only to pay taxes to? I so do not think so. Why do some do so much damage? That is indeed why you do not kill those who wantonly and in ugliness do their deeds. An enlightened society never caves and kills those who kill. Its always about the genesis of why. And please...no revenge and knee jerk reactions. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2010 10:11:02 PM | ^^^ What's naive about knowing that a bullet costs less than a prison?
I'm trying to think of some really elaborate ways to execute someone.... solid gold bullets, drowning in Chateau Lafitte, force-feeding to death with truffles and dropping off a cliff in a Bentley Continental are among my favourites, but the only one I can think of that might cost more than several decades imprisonment is launching the condemned into space in a shuttle with an open window, and even that would probably make a profit on tv syndication. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:47:20 PM | | If you think the cost of executing someone is about the cost of "the bullet" then perhaps you should do a little more reading. It's probably a little like that "Supreme Court" thing you had no idea about either. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 6:43:11 AM | Msg 280.
Seriously?
Juries in Capital Punishment trials are paid extra, Lawyers, Judges and other Court staff are paid extra in CP cases. The cost of keeping a condemned prisoner in solitary confinement and on permanent suicide watch costs ten times that of a 'regular' prisoner. The Appeals process costs tens of thousands of dollars. The costs are surprising.
Maryland
New Study Reveals Maryland Pays $37 Million for One Execution
A new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 forecasted that the lifetime expenses of capitally-prosecuted cases since 1978 will cost Maryland taxpayers $186 million. That translates into at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since the state reenacted the death penalty. The study estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. (This includes investigation, trial, appeals, and incarceration costs.) The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that those cases will cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not existed as a punishment. At every phase of a case, according to the study, capital murder cases cost more than non-capital murder cases.
Of the 162 capital cases, there werer 106 cases in which a death sentence was sought but not handed down in Maryland. Those cases cost the state an additional $71 million compared to the cost non-death penalty cases. Those costs were incurred simply to seek the death penalty where the ultimate outcome was a life or long-term prison sentence
.Federal Costs
The average cost of defending a trial in a federal death case is $620,932, about 8 times that of a federal murder case in which the death penalty is not sought.
Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding cost At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel. On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases. Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional $137,000 in public defense costs.
It goes on and on... But you get my drift.
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Posted: 12/31/2010 11:44:40 AM | Msg 280.
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
It may have escaped your notice that this is a UK forum and we are discussing the pros and cons of reintroducing the death penalty in the UK. I don't care how much americans waste on keeping condemned prisoners alive for years before executing them and I am aware of the fact that in many parts of the usa, life expectancy for a gangster on death row is better than on the street, but I see no good reason for you to to presume that we would be as stupid about it as americans. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 6:48:18 PM | | Obtuse...love that description of consciousness. I often feel vengeful when I hear of people killing, maiming, assaulting children. I also feel the same when I see the results of the Holacaust. Yet...what is gained by killing those who kill? Explanation , please. Ah well. | |
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Posted: 1/1/2011 2:57:40 AM | Msg 283, No, surprisingly it did not escape my notice that we are discussing the re-introductions of the death penalty in the UK.
Are you perhaps suggesting we should adopt a more draconian methodology? Maybe a middle Eastern approach? Someone tells someone else that they saw a woman talk to a man who wasn't her husband and hey presto she's stoned to death in the street? Very cost effective that, no trial, no court fees and even the stones are free!!
We are part of Europe, whether we like it or not and the European court of human rights would not look kindly upon any fast track capital punishment scheme. We would have to ensure that proper due process was adhered to at all times. Appeals, reprieves and overturns would happen regularly, Europe already frowns heavily upon us over our Life means life sentences and has been heavily involved in a number of high profile cases. I can't imagine it smiling benevolently down at us whilst we fast track execute all and sundry.
America is not stupid and neither am I, I do not presume anything, I understand the law, it's strengths and it's weaknesses and I understand that anyone sentenced to death should have every avenue imaginable open to them to appeal. Or perhaps the occasional innocent put to death in the name of retribution is fair collateral damage? | |
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