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Posted: 5/8/2006 1:55:02 PM | Fine, I give up...live in blissful ignorance.
As the white population continues to decline and the problems caused by your sense of entitlement continue to grow...you can rock on in rocking chair reminiscing about the time when you actually had an economy.
Just for the record, I stand by what I said about Reverse Discrimination. I've heard stories of actual discrimination (and whites can be discriminated against too and have all the same rights to do something about it) and using race/guilt to manipulate an individual. That is not discrimination, that is bad behavior and actually slander. You could infact prosecute a person for accusing you of being racist when your behavior is not.
I would tell someone right off if they did that to me and probably give them a lesson or two in how they make it worse for their entire race by their behavior because unlike white people, miniorities have to be really careful how they act because they know, it will reflect on their entire race. One black man committs a crime, they are looked at with fear. A native gets in trouble, its used as proof that they are all bad.
If people didn't fear diversity so much they wouldn't fear putting people like that in their place. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2006 3:13:52 PM |
Lux- ok, so you're still pissy about another forum, whatever. Go ahead and try to twist this by implying that I am just referring to this forum instead of what really goes on in society.
Interesting choice of words. Twisting is actually what you're doing. You've posted on other threads and no one has tried to shut you up. Disagreed with you, perhaps, but unless you're truly and irrevocably paranoid, you know that ain't the same. If you honestly think I'm pissy about anything, then you might just be paranoid.
Is this forum not a tiny example of society? Or rather a tiny reflection?
Where are the attempts to shut you up or those like you? Are people in power trying to shut you up? Is anyone? Where have they suceeded?
You've twisted just about every single reply to you on this thread and ran in some really incredible directions, no less. But hey... still NO ONE is trying to shut you up.
Not accepting something or wanting it, is not the same as racism and intolerance, it is personal preference.
It IS intolerance, for certain if you're trying to tell people how to be or think... something you seem to be telling us you're against. You may not be screaming to kill all black people or gay people or ship them all off somewhere else because that would actually be racism, but tolerance is accepting people different from you... participating in their lifestyles is, of course, your call... your preference as you stated. Not everyone gets treated equitably, but thankfully there IS actually free speech to say so... everyone gets that.. obviously you've gotten it here.
That's why it's called "live and let live" and not "you have to let others take over". | |
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Posted: 5/8/2006 6:20:51 PM | Oh just wanted to mention one thing, not wanting to date someone of a different race does NOT mean you are a racist. Hiring someone because they are "like" you is a completely different ball of a wax than wanting to date someone "like" you.
I have certain preferances I'm looking for in a mate and one is that we have similar backgrounds. So I probably won't date someone who wants me to wear a red dot on my forehead. | |
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NateC
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Joined: 4/10/2006
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| Reverse Discrimination
Posted: 5/8/2006 6:31:30 PM | Reverse discrimination is the sins of the guilty father being cast down on the shoulders of the innocent son, as it were. And the son is not "allowed" to retaliate because it would make him "no better" than the father. Us Jews used it all the time to get our way, that's why the anti-defamation league is no longer taken seriously.
It definitely exists, and to some degree, it's just being ignored. But, in communities that aren't predominantly white, you do run into it. And no one wants to interfere because it's not PC. That's the way the wafer crumbles atm. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 9:06:35 AM | | I have been sick of all the PC crap for years. Had to get as politically incorrect as possible off the job to maintain my sanity and so I could deal with their little game while on shift. I will be a whole lot more impressed with real equality when things like a black man being promoted (by a paranoid white supervisor) after assaulting a white female co worker (just to pass off the problem) and the white woman is disciplined, stops happening. That is the reality of what political correctness is causing. | |
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Joined: 5/2/2004
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| Reverse Discrimination
Posted: 5/10/2006 9:47:02 AM | Anyone bringing up the image of the KKK when a white person brings their views to the table is racist in themselves.
Having pointed out that, I can move on.
We have to remember that White men of good concience are the ones who actually brought the changes that we are living with today. Without these men, things would be far different. Many people seem to forget that little fact. It doesn't fit in with their own agenda.
Reverse discrimination is a crime too. It can be fought in court and won, because the laws are made to protect ALL people, not just some of them.
Some fo the worse discrimination I've seen is practiced by minorities. Especially when papa won't let his daughter date some one outside their race, religion, or whatever. Yep...we know who the real rasicts are. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 5:55:45 AM | | who the frigg is stoping whites from freedom of speech, no one is holding any one down, what a stupid thread needs to be nuked. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 7:25:54 AM | "who the frigg is stoping whites from freedom of speech, no one is holding any one down, what a stupid thread needs to be nuked."
Then explain to me why I can say something, and get a bunch of dirty looks and accused of being a "white" whatever, but when I tell them my true nationality, they suddenly back off, as if it's ok to say what I want IF I'm not "white". I was still the same person I was when they had their first reaction. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 9:32:34 AM | I will just make this plain and simple. Anykind of descriminations is uncalled for , never mind reverse discrimination or non-reverse discrimination (you know what i mean lol) but ANY kind of uncalled for, unrealistic and shallow discrimination is totally uncalled for and people that do that should be ashamed of themselves and they should know better.
I do have alittle more compassion or understanding if the person who discriminates like that has mental or emotional issues and is struggling, even though I don't condon in still, I can understand it alit more, because I liek to put myself in the other persons shoes before making quick judgments on them. BUT if you have no emotional , or psychological problem and you can control what you feel and what you do and the choices you make, then there is NO EXCUSE for discriminating and being shallow or judgmental etc!!!!. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 11:02:35 AM | | ^^I hear ya dude.....Im the same way. Its kinda sad that people are still like that, hell I even experienced it from my roommate and her dislike of white men, and shes not even 100% black....I shake my head. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 12:31:04 PM | | hey buddy have you ever heard of any professional teams being referred to as a race of caucausions.............i mean there is the washington redskins...................the atlanta braves............chicago black hawks..........etc......................if you can think of any just let me know......................and Atlanta has that so called tomahawk chop going.............what with that................are you the one that started it??????????? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 8:42:58 PM | OH Good God! I cannot believe what I am reading here - racism isn't toward white people. White people (well, in North America anyway) has always oppressed other cultures/societies. You can't expect the oppressed to speak highly of the oppressers. Nor would you if you were treated the way that many have been treated because they live in a country where the wrong skin color means poverty and a million other social struggles.
The transitional phase of trying to reach an equal place for all members of society does take some casualties with it from time to time, but I feel that we're heading in the right direction.
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Posted: 5/13/2006 9:19:47 PM | The transitional phase of trying to reach an equal place for all members of society does take some casualties with it from time to time, but I feel that we're heading in the right direction.
heading in the right direction???? It's getting worse every year. People are becoming more and more shallow, and racist and judgmental and whats worse they try to justify it say that it's a natural process or stuff like that. Society is going on a downward sprial where the human conscience is being abused and wounded and humanism is dehumanizing our culture!
what a few decades ago what have been seen as inappropriate is now being praised by the public and that shows that society is going on a downward spiral. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 11:29:17 PM | Boy, do I have experiences with this -- and it most often has to do with who I choose to date.
Hold on to your seats -- I only date white men. I've said it before on these forums and have been met with negativity because of it. Yet earlier, an asian man said he only dated asian women. Members automatically said, "well, that's your preference and you're entitled to it." Funny how that works, eh?
God, I have a billion more examples but I'd rather not focus on such a negative issue... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 5:42:52 AM | Um, dude, the reason historically-black colleges exist at all is that black folk were simply not admitted to college. I don't know anything about football leagues, but I'd guess that the people who make the decisions and rake in the majority of the profits without risking debilitating injury aren't black, even if some the players are.
But since you asked:
The U.S. Congress and state legislatures are almost all-white.
The President, Vice-president and all 50 governors (I think) are all-white.
Corporate boards of directors are almost all-white (and almost all-male)
The officer corps of the armed forces is almost all-white, more so as you look at more senior ranks.
Most private colleges are overwhelmingly white, and not just in the South.
Minority enrollment at state universities is significantly less than the corresponding proportion of minority population, and is going down as working people are getting squeezed harder & harder. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 7:55:48 AM | | oceanpearl- I think you are about 20 years behind the times with what is actually going on today. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 10:45:18 AM | heading in the right direction???? It's getting worse every year. People are becoming more and more shallow, and racist and judgmental and whats worse they try to justify it say that it's a natural process or stuff like that. Society is going on a downward sprial where the human conscience is being abused and wounded and humanism is dehumanizing our culture!
I think that my post was taken wrong by you. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying at all. I just think that racism is better understood these days and many people are moving toward making it a thing of the past, that was all that I was saying. I definately was not eluding to society not being racist.
Delytful:
no, I'm not behind the times at all. In the last few decades more emphasis has been put on educating people about the harm that they are causing society by keeping up with these negative paradigms. You can't make an assumption that all people are ignorant or racist because a few choose to live their lives in that way. I do not have one friend or family member which I can call a racist. I'm very proud of that.
I study this stuff! I know this stuff! It is true to say that we have many miles left to go before we are all truly treated equally, but I stick with my statement that we are moving in the right direction. If whites are feeling wronged now by society it is because for so many years the white population has dominated everything.. the workforce, government, history, music, the media... there is nothing that wasn't done with the "white" stamp of approval. Now that times are changing and people of every race and walk of life is free to express themselves and are given the same treatment as whites, suddenly the white population feels like they are being descriminated against. No, we are moving into a place where things are EQUAL.. not DOMINATED. It's hard for some whites to see their hold on society slipping away.
I never said that racism doesn't exist or that people don't still uphold paradigms and make it hard for others. What I'm saying is that more and more society is becoming more in touch and educated with the feelings and rights of others. That is a GREAT thing!
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Posted: 5/14/2006 1:32:46 PM |
I never said that racism doesn't exist or that people don't still uphold paradigms and make it hard for others. What I'm saying is that more and more society is becoming more in touch and educated with the feelings and rights of others. That is a GREAT thing!
Very well said, and cheers to the Newfoundland Liberation Army I might add. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
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| Reverse Discrimination
Posted: 5/14/2006 10:02:05 PM | Red Dragon barfed at my post? OMG!!! Truth and reality set in, and finally someone actually had to stop and think.
I find a lot of peole do not like that line that I posted. So what? It is true. there is nobody that has ever been able to refute that one statement with any facts whatsoever. Never.
there are many forms of discrimnation. I honestly feel that we, as a species, will never eradicate all prejudices and discrimination. It will always be with us. How we handle it, and work around it is what makes us individuals. We may have to "tolerate" differences, but there is nothing says we have to "respect" those differences. We just are not wired for that kind of thinking, perhaps because we are a competative species, on an individual basis. I just don't know, and can't make a call on that, but that seems to be true in most cases. If we can't be "as good as" someone else, often we attempt to drag drag them down to "our level". that seems prevelant everywhere, and often results in violence. Some people consider it an insult if someone else is better off, or better looking, or has more money, or doesn't follow their way. They get all hot undert the collar when their own shortcomings are pointed out, and all of a sudden it's "You're dissing me! Not respecting me!" Maybe there is a reason for that, and the person pointing it out gets a bop in the nose. I've noticed that a small minority of people have "matured" beyond that. Perhaps they are truely the "adults" and everyone else are just adolescents in comparison. Age has nothing to do with it, just a certain mindset.
Anyhow's...this is an odd topic. Glad to have been able to put in my 2 cents. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 10:02:57 PM | | This is the way it is ,was and will be ,the world will never change. I could care less but hey Im not poltically correct. The problem with america is trial lawyers. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 7:16:11 AM | Oceanpearl – maybe it is just that I was referring to what is going on in the US, not Newfoundland. No clue what the status of these issues are there. I also do not believe that there is as much “white domination” as a lot of posters want to claim. When the aren’t even allowed to protest being passed over for a job they were more qualified for than the minority that it was given to, doesn’t sound very dominant to me. And these minorities are often given very high positions that they aren’t even capable of accomplishing, just so that the person hiring them can look PC.
“We may have to "tolerate" differences, but there is nothing says we have to "respect" those differences.”
I think the problem is that there is no tolerance for “white” culture, as they are the ones who are always being told they have to change.
Should be interesting to see what happens in England.
Study: English Muslims face deprivations
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12798165/
I saw nothing in this article to show that the English were the cause of the problems. Read more like their unwillingness to blend in/adapt is the problem. But I would guess that they are going to have a lot of PC pressure to coddle/accommodate/rearrange the whole system to pamper the muslims, if it is anything like here. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 7:56:57 AM |
At least the current flood of immigrants are only inconveniencing you. When all the white people immigrated to North America, they decided to kill all the people that were already here and anyone surviving would be rounded up and forced to live on the crappiest piece of land anyone could find.
You should come to Oklahoma to see what "the crappiest piece of land anyone could find" looks like.
It's a great place to live.
But, yes, Native Americans got screwed. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 10:46:06 AM | Very well said, and cheers to the Newfoundland Liberation Army I might add
Thanks Polly!
maybe it is just that I was referring to what is going on in the US, not Newfoundland. No clue what the status of these issues are there
I know very well what is going on in the US. I travel there regularly and have many family members living there as well. I'm not origionally from Newfoundland, so I'm not just going on how things are in this province.
I also do not believe that there is as much “white domination” as a lot of posters want to claim. When the aren’t even allowed to protest being passed over for a job they were more qualified for than the minority that it was given to, doesn’t sound very dominant to me. And these minorities are often given very high positions that they aren’t even capable of accomplishing, just so that the person hiring them can look PC.
You are completley going off the cuff here. It is a good thing that "equal opportunity employers" exist, if not, you may not get a job just for the fact that you are a woman! It's important that all cultures and walks of life are included when it comes to employment. It can feel unfair at the time, but chances are that if you're being passed by for employment it is not because a person is of a different race, it's because you just aren't as qualified as that person. Minorities need to be included.
White domination exists completely in Canada, the US and Europe. Even countries which aren't "white" are now being oppressed and dominated because the white countries are the economic leaders. Ever hear the term "The West is Best" - that's the term used to describe our ignorance when it comes to valuing the opinions and rights of others. How can we speak for people in India, China, Japan etc. when we know absolutely nothing about them. There is an arrogance that comes from these paradigms and many countries in the world hates the west for that very reason.
“We may have to "tolerate" differences, but there is nothing says we have to "respect" those differences.”
I think the problem is that there is no tolerance for “white” culture, as they are the ones who are always being told they have to change.
No, you don't have to tolerate those differences, but if you havne't noticed - there aren't very many who haven't learned to tolerate it. Besides, what's to TOLERATE. That's horrible word use. I'd use embrace. Yes, white culture is being told that it has to change because whites are the oppressers! If we were nice all along and gave every person a fair shake we wouldn't be on trial now would we?
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| Reverse Discrimination
Posted: 5/15/2006 1:03:18 PM | "why aren’t Caucasians allowed their voice? "
That's the biggest lie or whatever you call it if there ever was one.The only group that is ever heard in the United States are the Caucasians, like it or not.That's the truth and I doubt it's ever going to change.Not sure, why everyone can't be equal.After all every one is an immigrant except the true Native Americans.Yes, there is reverse racism in practice but its not as big as racism against other group that's in practice.So quit whining. | |
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