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Posted: 5/15/2006 4:51:48 PM |
The thing about having free speech is that everyone's entitled to it. It doesn't get doled out based on who deserves it more or even who is right.
While it's true that there is a perceived concept of free speech in North America...in actuality, that is just a perception. What people say in media, and in real life is almost always scrutinized and edited. In my opinion, there is no such thing as free speech because if you say your thoughts about a particular person, race, gender, religion, or sexual preference, you are liable to be sued...so where's the free speech if you can't say what you want without having to worry about forking out $45 million to someone for slander?
I agree that racism/discrimination AND reverse racism/discrimination is very much alive on this continent...but I do agree with a few things that have been said...immigrants coming into a country should be made to learn the national language(1 of 2 in Canada) as they are choosing to live in this country, therefore they have to conform to many aspects of our culture. Canada in itself is a diversly multicultural country, but in all honesty if you live here you need to speak either French or English fluently...the same would be expected if you were to move to some country that doesn't speak English widely...I shouldn't say conform...that's the wrong word to use...ADAPT...keep your cultural beliefs close to your heart and practice them...but at the same time adopt the cultural beliefs of the country you intend to call home.
Yes, everyone has personal preferences towards things they do and don't like...but that's not intolerance...except if that person has no idea about that particular preference and doesn't care to learn about it...ie religion. Then it's intolerance and ignorance. It's one thing to know about something and say that you don't agree, but it's totally different to not have a clue about it and not agree...before you make any opinion on anything, make sure you at least have half your mind wrapped around the concept before shooting your mouth off. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 9:10:09 PM | this thread sorta reminds me of that movie "american history x"
basically covers the same topic
my own thoughts basically are, I would never judge anyone based on race ( I have friends from many races) but if you were to say ask my grandparents they'd be screaming white power white power. Usually the more racist people are older, and thats no offence to a few of you older folks on here no offence intended cause I know some arent. I think its getting better though with the younger generations that people are more tolerant of each other, and that's how it should be. I think the world would be a rather dull place if everyone was the same. thats just my 2 cents | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 3:09:41 AM | | I prefer the melting pot, and have plenty of friends of all races. Its cool to be cultured. Everyone has their hurdles in life, no one gets by without them, and I really don't think being a caucasian qualifies as a huge stepping stone in life, no matter how you spin it. Maybe its just me though. Personally, I beleive that everyone who was born here or in the US was born very lucky, and that the status of your life boils down to your character rather than skin colour or perceived obstacles. I just think we are very blessed here, praise God or Allah or whomever you like. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 9:08:51 AM | “You are completley going off the cuff here.”
Not off the cuff when I have seen it with my own eyes time and again.
“you may not get a job just for the fact that you are a woman!”
LOL you really DON’T know how this is working any more do you? Women are not above the “minorities” and still get to deal with the stereotype that they will be taking too much time off because of their kids.
“It's important that all cultures and walks of life are included when it comes to employment.”
Why? Just because they are of a different culture it doesn’t make them MORE qualified.
“It can feel unfair at the time, but chances are that if you're being passed by for employment it is not because a person is of a different race, it's because you just aren't as qualified as that person. Minorities need to be included.”
NO, they get the jobs just because they are minorities, and are NOT the best applicant for the job. You may speak in hypotheticals, I had to deal with the on the job realities.
“that's the term used to describe our ignorance when it comes to valuing the opinions and rights of others.”
Yours not mine. Speak for yourself. And embrace rather than tolerate? You are kidding right? I can tolerate people who eat raw fish, their choice, but no way I’m gonna eat it (I can’t even stomach the sight of a rare cooked steak bleeding all over someone’s plate) and embrace the concept. I have a right to say ICK!
“That's the biggest lie or whatever you call it if there ever was one.The only group that is ever heard in the United States are the Caucasians, like it or not.”
RFLMAO Tell that to all of those deafened by Jessie Jackson and all the others like him.
“Usually the more racist people are older”
I tend to agree with this somewhat. I do know that I was completely embarrassed by my grandmother’s comments toward black people. Even at the age of 8 I called her on it. Yeah, got whipped good and my butt was stinging, but at least my conscience didn’t hurt. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 9:24:20 AM | I don't understand you Delytful.You seem like a nice person.But you go off tangents sometimes.Do you actually in your sane mind think that Caucasians are ignored??I mean its common sense that there are so many minority groups that are ignored.If that was the case, then why does the great US of A has had only male Caucasians as presidents.Why not women, or why not Black or a Native American?I'll tell you why, it's all because of racism, not because of reverse racism.There are many equally intelligent people from all the different races.So it's not always the whites you see.I'm sure the system has been unfair to you at some point, thats why your venting.But it has been unfair to everyone.Your not the only one.So quit whining. I wonder if you'd still be whining if you were born in a poor country somewhere in Africa.You are a immigrant yourself.Okay so granted your ancestors were born here, but they did come from somewhere else.Therefore, be thankful you are here.
Also, I agree, all the older people are racists.The new generation is not as racists as the older one is.So, there is still hope. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 9:40:28 AM | ebony and ivory living togehter with brownies. side by side on my freaking piano. Oh lord why dont we. Thats by cwa. crackers with attitudes. But good attitudes not the white gangsta thug kind. whooohhoooo raise the wofff | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 10:16:51 AM | well now polly you sound just like one of those bleeding heart liberals ! i bet you think that spanish should be a second language. the illegal immigrants don't have to accept those JOBS that us poor white people don't want. they live all squished like that because that's the way they lived in mexico. the tax payers are paying for their free medical, for thier kids to go to school and who knows what else. they don't pay any federal or state taxes and no taxes come out of thier pay. when you get get down to it they are doing fairly well. if they are being treated so terrible why do they keep comming in hordes? they don't speak english, they don't have an education, but if it was up to you you would give them a high paying job. my question is what kind of job would you give them? if you felt so sorry for them why haven't you provided transportation for them to come live with you? i don't like my taxes going to pay for all the benefits they get.
apparantly you haven't worked with alot of minorities. i have and i get sick and tired of hearing them complain about not getting this job or not being promoted or being diciplined because of thier race; etc. whether you want to believe it or not the white man is the minority. he is the one being discriminated against today.
i think you need to wise up and see what is going on around you. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 10:21:17 AM | | ^^^^^like I said, older people are racists.No wonder you are, and it does not help you are from the South.After all, they are the most conservative.Take my advice and read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.You'll learn a lot mr I-know-it-all.Why do people that have everything envy those that have nothing?Let those poor Mexicans have a life and stop acting like a jealous school girl.Jeez.....who is going to put some sense into you, when you haven't done this yourself in 56 years????????? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 12:07:30 PM |
Like I said, older people are racists.
Sayonara, I hope you don't mean you think all older people are racists. Because we're not. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 1:16:57 PM | | Dawn, I don't think Sayonara meant what she said, for of course she knows if she is lucky enough she will eventually grow old too. Unless she thinks she would be one of those older people who are racists, this statement of hers does not stand. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 2:40:05 PM | hmmm Itz really how you were raised , envirorment which this was brought to you by. Im mixed compeletly and i have Black (charcoal),hindi(brown),portogeses (white),american,mixed like the american pittbull, Italian, black and white, irish, green.. whatever doesnt matter itz a werid combonation but what matters is the dominate of the culuture being brought up and the education that which people from the America's precieve your interaction of what you say and how you use the words to have them of know feeling of contradicting ones self. so maybe if you took the time to ease up on ones self and think about love not hate you maybe will find better peace and harmorny with the world. Politicaly speaking im not a perfessior but i do take into consideration of what was taught to me as a American and living in different parts of the Us and Countries. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 5:07:34 PM | | Ok....we all should just get together and have mixed children...then no one can be discriminated....but someone will somehow find a way. And that the sad truth of it all. Humans cannot accept peace and equality. One MUST be better than another. Its way too hard too see someone as normal, and be content with it. We, as a people must find flaws, differences, and other things to make ourselves feel better personally. And I see it day to day. *shakes head* | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 5:23:39 PM | | The reason one must be a bit better than another is to force us into competition in order to better ourselves. Nothing wrong with that at all. It is the ones who want to "dumb us down" to their level in order to make things "equal" is what PO's me. If I work my butt off why should I pay higher taxes so that someone can sit on welfare, rather than enjoying more of the fruits of my labour? Percentagwise, the more you make, the more you pay. Maybe that percentage should be equaled out...say, 10%. Everyone pays, no refunds, and much simpler to figure out. Make that the ONLY revenue the gov't gets from the general populance. They can tax the heck out of corporations all they want. Tax on cigs, gas, booze, etc, held at 10%. This means that more people would be able to pay for privitized services. Which, in turn, would create more jobs. which would make the economy grow and make more people responsible for themselves, rather than depending on the gov't to get them through life. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 7:24:04 PM | ^^^^^like I said, older people are racists.No wonder you are, and it does not help you are from the South.After all, they are the most conservative.Take my advice and read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.You'll learn a lot mr I-know-it-all.Why do people that have everything envy those that have nothing?Let those poor Mexicans have a life and stop acting like a jealous school girl.Jeez.....who is going to put some sense into you, when you haven't done this yourself in 56 years?????????
Sayonara, there' a huge difference between a lot of the illegal immigrants and a lot of our ancestors.
You come to a country, say...Canada (and I'm gonna grill you here). Our languages are English and French. Not Sikh, Urdu, Hebrew, Yiddish, Japanese, Madarin, Cantonese, Farsi, etc.
You are becoming a citizen of a new nation. Different rules, different lifestyle. If you're a wealthy individual from, say India, you're used to the Caste System, which doesn't exist here, and it never will. If you want to be respected in a country that you come to for permanent residence, you will respect their laws and their customs, and you will not impose your own; that isn't ethically right because this isn't your native nation. And if you get negative feedback because you ARE doing so (like the Sikhs that sued us for not being allowed to wear ceremonial daggers on the job or in school - and WON - that' sa problem with our courts, though...)
I don't know the guy you reamed out, but his statement wasn't necessarily racist; conservative, yes, but racist, no. While you're only 4...maybe 5 years younger than me, I'd say the gulf of maturity between those years is enormous. You need to chill out and actually understand what people are saying on topics like this because of their sensitivity. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 9:29:32 PM | outandabout43 said: hey buddy have you ever heard of any professional teams being referred to as a race of caucausions.............i mean there is the washington redskins...................the atlanta braves............chicago black hawks..........etc......................if you can think of any just let me know
OK, this is off the topic, and I really don't have any input on the actual topic, but I had to call you on this. Are you completely forgetting about teams named the Yankees, Vikings, Celtics, Fighting Irish, Vandals, Highlanders, Cowboys, Running Rebels, Pirates, Buccaneers, Knights, Crusaders, Rangers... I'm sure there are plenty more out there. But there are teams named after white races/groups too. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 7:19:40 AM | Sayonara – Actually, I am a nice person, which is why I would not tolerate your mouth or attitude in my home. Way too out of line and you don’t seem to have any respect for the opinions, experiences, or feelings of anyone who does not fully agree with you. That is NOT being tolerant, much less open minded. By now you exemplify the exact concept of reverse discrimination.
“Do you actually in your sane mind think that Caucasians are ignored??”
I have SEEN way more discrimination against “whites” than any others. In my opinion, the only ones who should truly be allowed to complain, and be LISTENED TO are the Native Americans.
“I mean its common sense that there are so many minority groups that are ignored.”
Not really. To me it is common sense to go by what I see, and not by what a small group want to brainwash you into thinking with all their hysterical ranting etc.
“If that was the case, then why does the great US of A has had only male Caucasians as presidents.”
LOL Only ones stupid enough to want the job. I sure wouldn’t, and wouldn’t want my kids to either.
“I'll tell you why, it's all because of racism, not because of reverse racism.”
This is YOUR opinion from YOUR experience. And maybe mine is a bit skewed by having seen what goes on in other countries, not just here in the US. And I have lived about twice as long as you have, so I can remember back to the “days of the dinosaurs” LOL and how things were, and are now.
“There are many equally intelligent people from all the different races.”
I don’t believe I ever equated intelligence to any particular race, so I don’t even understand that remark.
“I'm sure the system has been unfair to you at some point, thats why your venting.”
I take serious issue with your assumptions, as they are usually incorrect. And keep in mind, I have been mistakenly believed to be of SEVERAL different nationalities, and have gotten the treatment that went with them. When I was perceived as “white” it was the worst.
“So quit whining. ” This is exactly the kind of out of pocket pop off that you constantly make that really shows your lack of maturity. Who is really doing all the whining here? Not me. But any time anyone disagrees with you on any topic, you get incredibly rude and insulting, which in no way strengthens you arguments. If you continue with this crap I will simply skip your posts in this forum as well as others.
“Also, I agree, all the older people are racists.The new generation is not as racists as the older one is.”
YOUR posts prove YOU are a racist. Message 64 is a good example of nothing but lashing out with insults, and nothing else to contribute to the debate/conversation.
NateC- good luck, maybe she will listen to you since you aren’t “older” LOL | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 7:35:04 AM |
At least the current flood of immigrants are only inconveniencing you. When all the white people immigrated to North America, they decided to kill all the people that were already here and anyone surviving would be rounded up and forced to live on the crappiest piece of land anyone could find.
You are under the assumption that "your people" were here first? Evidence now proves through carbon dating of skeletel remains found that caucasians were here long before any indians, the most recent being Kennewick man. Even if that wasn't the case, indians only were in what is now called "North America" because of a landbridge(glacier) when alot of the continents were connected. Europeans went to the trouble built great wooden ships to sail across the rough seas to get here and then built thriving towns, schools, hospitals, jobs, medical and technological avdvances, and economy and basically invented everything this world has. And FYI, the land at that time was just wilderness land owned by God, you got some nerve thinking you owned it. At best your people were living in scattered areas of the continent. This continent belongs to the people that built it into the nations they are now and that was whites, so in actuality whites are the true First Nations people. What have your people done to deserve an equal status anways? Then and only then can you have any claim to equal an status, so I won't hold my breath. As for living on crappy land as you call it, well maybe you shoud take that up with your chiefs who receive millions of $$$ from the government every year, so if they horde it yo build casinos and live in a nice big fancy house up on a hill and doesn't give your people any of it then thats your problem not ours. Take it up with your chiefs. Its funny to note that racists like you who claim to hate white people and don't want anything from us, have no trouble putting your hands out taking our taxpayer dollars or coming to use out healthcare services in a hospital rather than using your alimighty "medicine man". And for the record Europeans did not go around killing anyone, my ancestors only defended themselves from the savages that tried to kill them. And if your people are so eager to preserve the environment as you claim, then maybe you should stop depleting the forests with your no quota cutting of trees or your no quota overfishing and depleting fish stocks, wheras white fishermen have quotas to abide by and can only catch so much and only at certain times of the year. Doesn't sound like you are very environentally friendly to me. So go spew your bogus anti-white bigotted racist sentiments somewhere else. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 7:53:21 AM | | One more thing. I am getting tired of these anti-white racist minorities blaming whites for their problems. For one thing you shoud be kissing our lily white butts that you are even allowed in our nation to make a better life for you and your families. You have some nerve coming into [u]our country[/u] and consuming and exploiting what we have already created and giving us demands and complaints. If you don't like it here then by all means leave and go back to your own home, otherwise shut your piehole. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 8:42:24 AM | I don't agree with rascism, its unfair to judge a person on skin colour, culture or lifestlye, but as it was mentioned somewhere before, I don't think it's fair either that minority groups are given special privelges (wearing knives to school) that no other minority or majority would be allowed. Rights should be granted or refused to EVERY citizen. There is talk of one minority group being allowed to get a drivers liscence without having their picture on it. Why is this?
Knives in school and drivers liscences without proof of identity? Does no one else feel this is hurting other peoples rights? Does this not have a high risk of causing harm?
And I do agree that not only whites can be accused of rascim, I had an african-american from POF contact me. We chatted and I actually liked talking to him until one night he told me all white men were evil, but white women were ok. He even had the nerve to tell me that all the men in my family were evil too! So, I blocked him. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 8:43:21 AM | | Yeah I believe that anyone's welcolme here so long as they come here LEGALLY and don't give people allready living here crap. I am 100% against any kind of discrimination, reverse discrimination or otherwise. I also firmly believe that theres no shame in being ANY race, yes this includes European descent, and that everyone should have equal rights and that no one group should have special privalages such as affirmative action or stuff being handed to them for being a certain race. People must stop being divided and fight for individual rights and I have noticed that racism's dying, sure it's still around but it's not as common as it used to be. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 8:44:38 AM | Delytful-Yes, you can call me anything you want, I won't take it as an insult.I have far enough brains to not argue with someone who thinks same sex marriage is against the law and God.You always have messed up thinking on every issue.Don't worry, I wouldn't even step in your house, its more like an insult.lol.
Nate C-I honestly don't know what your talking about.But if the point you were making was about church and state to be separate, then be my guest!Every one should start listening to France on that.I do agree with that point of yours.But for some reason, you sound like another fanatic to me.
Ossgood- or whatever your name is-I am so not sure what you are talking about.Since when did America become something that only you own?This attitude from Caucasians is what makes them racists.I could say the same thing to you , couldn't I?If you have a problem with other races, why don't you go back to your country?But the problem is you don't even know which country your ancestors belong to ?So you can better keep your mouth shut.The only people that have any rights to speak on the issue are the true Native Americans, don't worry, I am not one.All the others are just different forms of hypocrites.Oh and kiss your lily white butt, Ossdude??????Goodluck on finding a racist, conservative and submissive woman who would do that for you.I'm not sure normal people like kissing idiots.
Also, when did I ever say illegal immigration should be allowed.Ofcourse it shouldn't be allowed.But , even the legal immigrants are being discriminated against.And this is supposed to be the Land of Immigrants.As far as this thread goes, America seems to be more like the Land of Hypocrites.
Stop making assumptions about me.I am not someone who claims to be nice and holier than thou like some people here seem to claim.But that's because I'm not hypocritical.All these people that are pointing fingers at others right now should look at themselves first before doing so.
Also, I never said older people are racists.I said older people are more racists than the younger ones.Oh and its a proven fact.Oh yes, I'm going to be old one day too, but atleast I know I'm not going to be a racist.
So, moral of the story is: stop your ranting and don't make this a funny issue.If you are really being discriminated against, then file a suit.Shouldn't be that hard, since everyone seems to be suing everyone in this country. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 8:56:30 AM | Taccita: "he told me all white men were evil..."
Wow people like this are no different then a Klansman but in reverse. Well theres not many white people in Africa, he should go there to get away from all of us "evil" whitemen, even the "evil" whitemen who fought for his rights and to be equal, the only reason why he's not a slave is because there where white men who knew that slavery's wrong and gave there lives so that slavery would stop, and they have the nerve to say where "evil" whitemen. He's totally illogical and I have no respect for any irrational thought like his. Let's try a syllogism to highlight his thinking:
A: All white men are evil
B: Abe Lincoln was a white man
C: Therefore, Abe Lincoln is evil
See? we can clearly see how erroneous his thinking is. I'll offer another syllogism:
A: All racist are ignorant
B: Moron say's "white men are evil" are ignorant.
C: Therefore, Moron is ignorant.
See what I did? No racism is justified. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 8:58:24 AM | Ok so I tried to ignore this thread for the longest time but now I want in with my lil two cents......
First of all I am going to agree with something the OP stated and yes people might disagree with me and that's cool. I do agree that special interest groups get a lot more attention and they are able to voice their concerns and be able to dictate their freedoms and rights and that's fine also.
However I have to say that in the last year fews, it seems to me that many white people have to walk around on egg shells for fear that they are going to offend someone. The minute they open their mouths and say one thing, it is automatically constituted as "Racist"
This is not to say that there aren't white groups out there who aren't racist, but we cannot categorize every single white person who has issues with the system of government and accuse them of not being accepting of change etc.
It might be hard for a lot of people to beleive but we are all a little prejudiced from time to time whether or not we admit it, it's the truth. Yes, we all try to mind our P's and Q's and we all try to stay within the politically correct scheme of things. It can be exhausting trying to figure out what names we can address a person of colour by....are they or are they not "African Americans" or are they "Blacks" or are they "Coloured people!"
It is trust me I know because although I'm black, other blacks get offended when they are not addressed properly....kinda silly but tis the world me live in.
Are GAYS...GAYS or are they Homosexuals....FAGS.....are Mexicans...Mexicans or are they Brown people or "Spics" etc. Geez it's all so exhausting....
Now on saying that what I wanted to see the Op say was simply this, Gays, Blacks, Mexican or whichever other ethnic group should realize that hey, this is America and if you want to be here then we should all start acting like it. I wanted to hear that yes, we expect that you will follow your beliefs and customs and we want to be able to decline participation, but when it comes down to it, we are all here in this country let's start acting like brethrens and sistrens as opposed to refusing to assimilate and adapt some of our traditions. Life in America should be a two way thing......you know that whole when is Rome thing....
In saying all that we all have to realize that whether it's Canada or The United States, it doesn't matter, we all need immigration.People today are not having as many children as they did back in the days. Life expectancy is a heck of a lot shorter than back then, so we need to depend on other countries for a lot of our economic welfare.
Haven't you all noticed that 90% of what you own, wear, see around you today is all tagged, "Made in China"...."Made in Korea"...."Made is Tawian"....."Made in Indonesia" etc.
Maybe we should be focusing on getting back to basics you know challenging big corporations to bring back industry to your country instead of taking away the bread and butter from the mouths of Americans and giving it to all those foreign countries because it's cheaper.
Says the lil Canadian peace keeper....
Be good to each other people because in the end we are all cut from the same cloth.
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Posted: 5/17/2006 9:05:40 AM | Brownsugar1313: "Maybe we should be focusing on getting back to basics you know challenging big corporations to bring back industry to your country instead of taking away the bread and butter from the mouths of Americans and giving it to all those foreign countries because it's cheaper."
Yeah I agree with this, I've allways had a problem with corperations outsourcing american jobs as the unemployment rate is so high in this country I hold corperations accountable for it due to there outsoucing. | |
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