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Posted: 10/3/2009 5:26:06 AM | Polly,
if the u.s. allowed every person to live the way they wanted, without reguard to LAWS, then all we would have is the results of the tower of babble!
why should an ILLEGAL immigrant be first in line for free med care,food, housing,clothing, free college tuition, Social security, because they Broke the LAWS
in order to be here in the first place!
ESPECIALLY when there are millions of people that went through the LEGAL process to become CITIZENS of this country.
Perhaps an illegal alien of whom, is a Gang member, or perhaps a Terrorist, comes to your country to build his network kills hundreds of people goes to the courts for "punishment " , and is released ;free to go, given 40 million dollars, a business, mansion, cadillac, free reign to go and do anything to anyone, because of the way his ancestors were treated poorly 100 years ago, and blames you personally for his persecution by a corrupt, immoral, AND racist nation, decides you are the problem too and sues you your work place, the government,..., and gets an EXTRA 60 million dollars given to his organization with an apology for how he was treated. Then buys a nuke from a nation and blows up your country a year later. and every other nation says you had it coming. then how would you feel toward that person/organisation?
ALL People are discriminatory of something/someone. let alone that everyone has a racial bias/religious bias/whatever.
there is no such thing as REVERSE Discrimination,
it is just the group of people being discriminated against that changes, I abhor any discrimination in most any way. if all are equal then why is it that some are more equal than others???
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Posted: 10/3/2009 6:10:50 AM | If everyone is supposed to be equal and this is supposed to be a democratic society where everyone has the same rights, why aren’t Caucasians allowed their voice? Why do they just get slammed for not agreeing with every special interest group? Seems the TRUE racism any more is against white people in America. Oh for goodness sake. I can only say...
I suspect that if you feel this way it is because of the way you present yourself. If you are being "slammed for not agreeing" on a regular basis then, with due respect, you are likely presenting yourself in an ignorant manner.
You might do well to educate yourself a bit. This nation's history of racism isn't about minorities getting "slammed for disagreeing." You're entitled (i.e. you have a right) to express your opinion and others are entitled (i.e. they have the right) to disagree with you. An absense of "yes suh" and arse-kissing in your direction doesn't equal racism.
You're just going to have to be mad about this one, friend. You're going to tucker yourself out with all your righteous rage and you're STILL not going to be the victim here, no matter how hard you try. But it will keep you entertained for quite some time, I suppose! | |
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Posted: 10/3/2009 7:09:23 AM |
Perhaps an illegal alien of whom, is a Gang member, or perhaps a Terrorist, comes to your country to build his network kills hundreds of people goes to the courts for "punishment " , and is released ;free to go, given 40 million dollars, a business, mansion, cadillac, free reign to go and do anything to anyone, because of the way his ancestors were treated poorly 100 years ago, and blames you personally for his persecution by a corrupt, immoral, AND racist nation...
What are you talking about?...migration, terroists, cutting first in line, reparations?
Make a point | |
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Posted: 10/3/2009 7:44:57 AM | The reason that Whites are still singled out as racist is because other minority groups have not educated themselves about the laws in the US that protect them from discrimination and in some cases give them advantages over Caucasians.It is much easier for Minority groups to explain their educational level or lack of economic success on systematic racism.If they would utilize all of the instruments in place there is no reason for them not to succeed as they are given Government mandated advantages over Caucasians.Another reasons Whites are singled out is because the educational system is biased it casts Whites as the villains throughout History. Because most Americans don't really study world history they don't realize how violent and oppressive other races have been throughout History as well. The main issue is that Whites in America feel guilt for some reason and allow minorities to capitalize on that guilt, why should they? Should Blacks feel guilty for the Genocide and Oppression that happens and happened in Africa for thousands of years?
I challenge any minority to show me a current law that prevents them from job opportunities, educational opportunities or housing opportunities based on their Race...
Just for fun type in Minority Grants in Google....then type in Caucasian grants.... | |
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Posted: 10/3/2009 8:59:50 AM | Until whites/males/whoever stand their ground and stop worrying about being labeled with things that are not actually true, they will continue to be chastised for saying anything that is not consistent with popular opinion. Even if they merely want basic respect and have no ill intent toward anyone else.
Tired of being called a racist for exposing double standards? Stop backing down from what you believe in. When you cower away from and cave to labels of "racist" and "bigot" when you know they are not actually true, you are only reaffirming other people's perception that they are. They assume you must be afraid to stand your ground because you must really be racist.
Want to make a positive change? Stand your ground, refuse to get angry, stay calm, and use only facts to back up your position (never judgment or opinions). And be persistent and patient. If the position you are presenting is true and honest, it's only a matter of time before people will not be able to deny it. Most will spin, twist, and distort things at first in an attempt to reject your idea, but over time fewer and fewer will do this as more and more will come to accept that it is, in fact, reality. And the ones that don't will be seen for what they are; people still living in denial.
Social change is a long and grueling process. But it can be accomplished if you are willing to commit to it and persevere. History is filled with examples of passionate people who have done that very thing. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2009 9:46:10 AM | | i read a few posts or threads on this board which is exhausting and sickening. it seems like a lot of folks need to take a "total cleanse" diet, fast, laxative or colonic and of the brain too. do we need to get caught in a earthquake or tsumani ? or , will some folks on this board say " you are not white , so i cannot share my boat or water with you? or you are not black, i will not help remove the bricks off your child's stomach?" i guess, that's when we, know "you" will come to your senses. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2009 10:09:05 AM | Oh I see at work they are so afraid of discrimination lawsuits that other "special interest minority" groups get away with everything. They make up excuses for excessive absenteeism, get away with just about everything.
I do something minor like "I missed a spot" or I was sick one day, or didn't make it in on a snow day I hear them say something about it. God forbid. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 4:23:35 AM | SAguy 06,
I'm basically saying that there is not just one piece of this country's problem that is wrong but an overall result of illegal acts being aplauded and praised/rewarded, that has made everyone "indivduals" with rights to do whatever they wish to anyone they wis. And not only take no responsibility but cry that their people were discriminated against 100 or so yrs. ago! And if anyone is to blame, it is this nation that must suffer and not them for what the individual did now that was illegal.
YES , everyone is biased against something. but we should look to correct what is the problem now not in the past.
i believe that everyone has a clean slate, and you can only judge anyone by what they themselves have done/ written on it.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 5:04:31 AM | There are some people commenting in the 'Why Don't I see Black women/White Men together' thread that should definitely be reading this one.
Maybe it's better when whites try to explain the system and institution of racism to other whites (and some blacks too!), because it's pretty thought that blacks are just gonna 'claim victims' about the subject anyway and can never give a fair assessment of it.
Ironic consider we are the ones most affect by it.
Anywayz.... | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 6:10:05 AM | ^^ Unfortunately I don't think PoF is a forum where anyone will accept an explanation from anyone, black or white.
Many white posters on this thread talk about "other minorities" and try to lump themselves in and cry victim. I just don't understand this. The people who immediately jump to "black people just claiming victim" are, ironically, the ones who are actually doing it.
In any event, those who most need the explanation have their hackles up and are on the defensive, with anecdotes about how they have been victimized by others telling them they are wrong. They do not seem to understand that racism and discrimination isn't about someone disagreeing with you.
I honestly believe that those people have no interest in understanding. I think most of it has to do with the notion that to some, movement towards equality implies that those with "more" have to give something up. While that isn't true, it's an awfully hard misconception to climb past. For some, it is scary (even subconsciously) to level the playing field because it means giving up an advantage. When one is born with an advantage, the advantage is that person's reality and s/he thinks nothing of it, so it feels like a loss to give it up. The problem is the people who feel victimized are not generally willing to step back to understand what others are really going through and to understand why that advantage was wrong to have in the first place. It's definitely an "us vs. them" mentality... which is uneducated and unhelpful.
There are definitely posters on here whose posts I have stopped reading altogether because of the ignorance they spew. Those people are not here for explanations. They are here because their insecurity leads them to feel attacked by the notion of equality. So they lash out with ignorant statements... their own reality is such that they think they are being reasonable. On PoF (or in any anonymous place), that is impenatrable.
At this point, progress will not be made by those posters understanding the system and institution of racism... progress will be made by those posters understanding their own insecurities and fears. Only then might they be willing to take an honest look at systemic racism.
At best, it's just nice those posters are willing to basically wave such big "I'm ignorant" flags so you know who to blow past. There are many thoughtful and insightful posters on here who are interesting to read and our (definitely my) time is better served on that. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:00:17 AM | See, being rich, white, and male used to be GOOD things, now they are BAD things.
Currently the liberals want to take all that rich people have to help out those who don't (Obamacare).
Currently being white means you MUST have an elitist attitude and if you in ANY way inconvenience a minority, it MUST have been racially motivated, even if you were doing your job (Officer Crowley).
As for the male part, I am in a BSN nursing program. Sometimes beign a guy gets me some perks, and sometimes it makes me a victim due to my surroundings. I think for me, it's a wash.
White guilt, it's a fad like driving a Prius to save the rain-forest or only eating soy to save animals. It implies much the same--minorities are helpless and you are being gracious by lowering your own station in life and or coddling them. I find it condescending and treat/expect the same from everyone. Anything else would be selling them short. If they come up short and wish to blame it on their race, more power to them, I could care less. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 6:43:01 PM | If white guilt is enough for whites to feel sorry and give me my 40 acres and a mule - or to update that since I don't farm and there's a lot more people here now - 20 acres and a 1/2 ton GMC extended cab truck, then that's great. I will use your guilt to bargain and gain anything I can get.
But that's not the case. White guilt isn't doing anything but putting whites, their history, and their ancestors on the defensive, touting some bullshit like 'reverse discrimination.' Now where is that gonna get me? Not my dam 20 acres and a truck! (and throw in wiping my credit clean if you don't mind). Thank you for voting for Obama, which I'm sure has alleviated some white guilt but not by much. Guilt-laden whites can't even properly recognize or overlook real instances of racism and racist abuse because to acknowledge it is to believes it exist. If you don't acknowledge it then you can pretend it doesn't exist or try to counteract what example you are given by proposing your own.
I'm sorry but getting lost somewhere in the hood with a buncha scary and thug looking darkies who might think you got money and rob you isn't an instance of racism. But sending those darkies to jail and giving them 15 years for robbery because their victims was white is definitely an instance of racism.
But what I do I know. I'm just a little government-cheating and gold-digging racist darkie who uses shoddy instances of racism to cry victim to make whites feel guilty and so I can gain something from it - like an affirmative action position at some corporate headquarters because god knows I don't got the smarts that white people got to get that friggin job on any terms of merit from a boss who believes blacks aren't as smart as whites and are thieves to begin with so prefers NOT to hire them.
Oh what I would give to be smart like an asian and then the whites would look up to me and hate china and japan because we are so ****ing smart and taking all their jobs so affirmative action don't mean shit anyway in america but maybe in japan and china if you want a job there. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 7:14:50 PM |
Ironic consider we are the ones most affect by it. - Like I posted before...I challenge any minority to show me a current law that prevents them from job opportunities, educational opportunities or housing opportunities based on their Race...
Just for fun type in Minority Grants in Google....then type in Caucasian grants.. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 8:11:54 PM | Some people had their own club.
It was run by someone else.
The people of the club and owner of the club had a brawl.
The owner wanted to tax them for the activities they were doing in the club and it pissed off club members.
So several club members got together and decided to leave that club and find another place to form their own club.
They found a place.
But there was people already there with their own club.
In short, they got rid of those people and their club.
They formed a club of their own in that spot.
New people came from the Original Club place and wanted to get into the action of either having a club or servicing the clubs already in existence.
They branched out and created other opportunities from the Original Club.
You could sell building materials to people who wanted to built a club.
You could sell labor to people who wanted to build their own club.
You could sell spirits, tobacco, and food to people to have in their own club.
But they needed some folks to cut trees for building materials. Harvest barley and grain for spirits. Harvest food and clothing for the people who own the clubs and feed the people. So they went and got these other people from another land to do all that, and decided to save themselves money by not paying those people to harvest all this stuff for the club owners and the distributors.
NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING...
These new people from another land did not go back to where they came from but stayed here with the club owners. They were barred from the clubs themselves and from any opportunity of serving the clubs already in existence on this new land. All they could do was work for the Original Club, the club owners, and club distributors for nothing.
So they build their own clubs for themselves.
Pissed off the owners of the Original Clubs, so they burned them down and put them out.
These new people have one duty and one duty only - to serve the original owners of the Original Clubs in this new land. There is no way they can have their own clubs. It will not be tolerated.
These people were still barred from the Original Club, so they built their own clubs again.
Pissed the owners off and they burned the clubs down put them out.
This happens several times until finally the original owners say 'FINE! YOU CAN JOIN MY CLUB!'
They thank the Original Owners of the Original Clubs, but they were never really treated equally or respected like the Original Owners of the club, so still built their own clubs where they felt more comfortable and even welcomed the owners and patrons from the Original Clubs.
But the original owners of the Original Clubs could never figure out why these new people just don't give up their own clubs since they were now accepted at the the Original Clubs. Those new people were talking all that hoopla about wanting to get into the Original Club, and now that they are in, they still wanna keep their own clubs - why?
It seemed unfair to the owners and suppliers of the Original Club that these new people keep a club strictly for themselves and to support clubs strictly for themselves. The Original Club owners and suppliers claimed this was RACISM and said the new people should get rid of anything that is to primarily serve just these new people.
And the beat goes on
and on
and on
and on
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And the Original Club owners never get it and choose to remain as clueless a rock on dead sand.  | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 8:21:54 PM | Not sure of people's definition of Reverse Discrimination...but... as I see it.. it is people of your own race or culture turning on you.
I mean...like me for instance.... I find the most critical people tend to be other South Asian people at times.... I am from the Caribbean...I find South Asians from other parts of the world judging me... being overly critical of me based on my appearance.
They assume things about others who appear to be like them ... physically.
they see that I do not dress like your typical conservative 'Indian'.... I was married to a non-Indian...he was Scots... , I don't speak their language*s*.
Now.. .I will confess I too discriminate to a large extent when it comes to dating a South Asian man..... I observe many of them and I feel there are traits that are not endearing to me.... cultural traits in some... again I must add the South Asian community is vast.... various religions, cultures, and people from all over the globe....a lot of them have never lived in India, Pakistan or in that region.
Yes.. I know I am basing my choice on certain stereotyping...but again this is based on my experiences and observations. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 2:22:51 PM | NappyKat,,
wasn't this also in reverse in African nations, other than the Ultra-Racist apartheid govmts?
let alone the U.S. and all the way back through history of man that one race sets itself above others and tries to get free labor by conquest/ colonisation of the others.
even in Africa the factions of each nation fight eachother and the different thinkers in that country. either for gold, ivory, timber, diamonds, oil,... and sell the children into slavery today. All for money, power, position,... on the subject of slavery ; without a doubt, EVERY ONE has a fair share of the same history then or now.
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:44:39 AM | That was an interesting story, nappykat, but you spent so much time on the club that you totally left off the part about the beauty pagaents and scholarship programs. See... the original club owners cannot participate in THOSE so I'd be very interested in hearing how they aren't discriminatory.
I do not deny racism exists. I just don't see whites being the only ones who perpetuate and practice it. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 2:18:19 PM | I've always viewed racism, on a personal level , as simply believing you or your race (or perhaps even ethnicity if race doesn't fully apply) to be literally superior to whichever other group(s), and/or better off separated from them for whatever variety of reasons. That's where its roots are at, in people's personal viewpoints obviously. But then for it to really make any kind of real societal impact it has to , IMO, be combined with a position of social dominance or power over those other groups; in many or most cases this comes with majority status (though not always).
So it's not to say that a member of the New Black Panther Party, for example, (all 25 of them) is NOT a "reverse-racist" (to use that term). He probably obviously IS, in his personal viewpoints and so forth.
But his racism is not combined with that position of social dominance or power which would allow him or others like him to begin to institutionalize those views.
The problem here at least (if not in Europe, South America, etc, as well), is that the mentality has been, since the founding of all of the Americas really, that the black people were somehow "beneath" all the others, even the Indian. It has to be because the non-black people back then (whether Anglo , or Dutch, or French, up here in North America, or Spanish or Portuguese or even native American down in South America) saw the blacks as slaves, primarily. Chattel .... which were owned by non-blacks, which were traded, auctioned off, sometimes "bred" to suit specific needs, and so forth. And that mentality just impressed itself upon peoples' minds, and perpetuated itself through the generations, and it's still deeply rooted.
Even in South America the Europeans left a history of racism behind as well; old-world Spanish (or let's say Iberian) racism. It's visible in the words of the old Latin caste system (some of which are still heard even today). From the "highest" type of person , the Peninsulare (someone born on the Iberian Peninsula -- ie, Spanish or Portuguese) or other European, to criollos ("pure" Euro descent but Latin American by birth), to Indios, Mestizos, Castizos, Mulattos, Zambos, and finally at the bottom of the barrel, pure African blacks (called "negros bozales" if the black person was actually born in Africa; thus viewed to be less acculturated, couldn't understand any Spanish, etc).
So over the years these kinds of views , even though we believe we' ve left them hopefully mostly by the wayside, they have persisted. And what happened, IMO, to make the discrimination the blacks received worse than the discrimination received for example by ethnic minority groups on arrival in the USA, was the fact that these kinds of anti-black racist views were deeply institutionalized.
Granted, at various times the North American people didn't like Irish, Slavs, Italians, Greeks, Jews, etc, but there just was no comparable system of discrimination in place against them. Yes there were "No Irish Need Apply" signs for awhile out East, and there was even an incident in Louisiana of 11 Italian immigrant men being mass-lynched, but the overall system of discrimination against them was just not the same. It's even easier (IMO) for any (light-skinned) Hispanic person than it is for a black person. At the end of the day, even if they're not a native English speaker, they're still not black...
Also, the ethnic minorities were never redlined by banks, were never "blockbusted", never chased out and kept out of better neighborhoods for years or decades on end, were never prevented from drinking or eating in the same establishments, were never subject to "white flight" compounded by such a general level of dislike towards them that they couldn't even ever get a decent job half the time, thus making the neighborhoods they were left in even poorer. They weren't subject to a rash of one-parent families for generations for reasons such as the old welfare laws stopping payments if there was seen to be a father in the house so instead he just stayed away or only came by once a week at best.
So in my view, regardless of some of these recent attempts (rather weak and lame IMO) at "victim politics" being played by "angry white people" or angry "white anglo-saxons" to be even more particular, I just don't think they have a case. Not remotely. The more recent measures which have been taken to attempt to level a ridiculously historically uneven playing field for blacks (and have only been moderately successful anyway) have NOT , IMO, caused a climate of institutionalized "reverse discrimination" against white people anywhere NEAR approaching the level of discrimination which blacks have experienced (or still do experience). There's just no comparison and it makes white people seem silly and petty, IMO, when they attempt to draw such parallels. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 2:32:59 PM | Personally, I'm not trying to draw a parallel. I just ant to know what makes bigotry exhibited by minorities okay. The ol' 2-wrongs math?
IMO the US also has treated Native Americans like incompetent dependents. Their own sovereign nation status has just been a different and more subtle way of keeping them down. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 2:45:19 PM | Post 143 is what is wrong in America...you can't be racist unless you are in power..what a crock..There are no laws in America that prohibit Minorities from anything that Caucasians have available to them...actually in an attempt to level the playing field the Laws and Governmental sanctioned assistance have been tipped in Favor of Minorities...so your argument is that because the discrimination against Caucasians isn't at the Level that Blacks had to tolerate historically that this in some way excuses blatant discrimination based on Skin color...either Discrimination and Racism are wrong or they are not, Simple as that...You argument kind of falls apart in another sense as well why should all Caucasians be Discriminated against for what Blacks have experienced Historically in America when many Americans are First Generation Americans....
But his racism is not combined with that position of social dominance or power which would allow him or others like him to begin to institutionalize those views.
this statement couldn't be more wrong...There are Laws today that empower Minorities when they feel they have been victims of Racism or Discrimination, we even have Laws that Protect them more than the normal Protection afforded to Caucasians{Hate Laws} these Laws don't apply to Caucasians but they do give Minorities more power through the system to punish those that they have accused of Race based crimes.Minorities also are eligible for Government Grants assistance loans etc....even for Government Jobs and to bid on Government Contracts....that are offered to them First and sometimes exclusively.When you give Minorities advantages such as these how can you say that they have no power Institutionally? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 7:57:47 PM | There are Laws today that empower Minorities when they feel they have been victims of Racism or Discrimination, we even have Laws that Protect them more than the normal Protection afforded to Caucasians{Hate Laws} these Laws don't apply to Caucasians but they do give Minorities more power through the system to punish those that they have accused of Race based crimes.Minorities also are eligible for Government Grants assistance loans etc....even for Government Jobs and to bid on Government Contracts....that are offered to them First and sometimes exclusively.When you give Minorities advantages such as these how can you say that they have no power Institutionally?
As far as I know, I don't think there's any reason whatsoever why a group of black males, for instance, who could be proven to have targeted a non-black person specifically because they were non-black, and then committed a crime against the person, would be immune to being charged with a "hate crime" (to go along with whatever else it was they did to the person). We don't see that many of those occurring. Realistically, the vast majority of crimes committed by blacks are against other blacks. Here in Chicago we never see black gangbangers for instance , coming from the projects, targeting non-black people for racial or ethnic reasons. Their crimes are against one another, and are gang and/or drug-related.
Now the "Zebra" crimes, in San Francisco, back in the early 70's, when some kind of bizarre splinter sect of the Nation of Islam went on a killing spree targeting non-blacks specifically because they were non-black ; hate crimes, definitively. Had there been such a law at the time, then to go along with their multiple murder charges they'd have been able to be charged with it. The reason we don't hear of such charges is because there aren't that many instances , truly, of blacks going out targeting non-blacks for violence strictly because of race. If anything, they are (as they have been historically) the victims of such things, much more often. And not only at the hands of whites anymore. There have been recent incidents of Mexicans targeting black civilians (ie, non-gang members) for violence and murder , out in some of the LA neighborhoods, specifically to try and scare black people out of "their" neighborhoods.
Addressing the second part of your post, I don't think minorities have NO power institutionally. In these times in fact they have equal recourse to the law and in many cases (ideally) equal opportunity as well. But the things you've cited, such as quotas for certain types of jobs, or gov't grants or contracts to minority-owned businesses first (and even still, this does not ALWAYS happen) are not , IMO, institutionalized racism.
Institutionalized racism, IMO, to have it even be remotely on a par with the historical (indeed recent historical) examples I was talking about in my first post here, would have to equal a situation where blacks (and/or other various minority groups) were suddenly occupying nearly all the positions of power and privilege in this country, owning the majority of the important businesses, banks, etc, and there was a culture or general mindset amongst them all, amongst these leaders of society, that the whites were inferior , and better off seperated, which therefore bred policies of discrimination specifically against white people (and one may define "white" however loosely or strictly one wishes).
Banks wouldn't lend to them because they're white and the owners are black and (in varying degrees) generally despise or at least look down on whites. All the black realtors (remember the majority are black in this hypothetical) "blockbust" them and keep them in gradually deteriorating neighborhoods, away from all the (generally better off) blacks. A white man comes to the door of nearly any of the myriad black-owned businesses (remember most or all are black-owned here) and he's immediately looked at slightly askance and knows deep-down he's not going to get a fair shake at getting this job, not with two black men in the lobby waiting as well. The black police routinely stop and , oftentimes needlessly or pointlessly, harass innocent white youths walking down the street......simply because they don't like the way they are wearing their khakis or polo shirts, or their Dave Matthews t-shirts or what have you. Occasionally whites are beaten and/or killed by black police, and then in court the black judge and nearly all-black jury dismiss the case because there's not enough evidence. Catching on?
Whites are NOT at this time, nor have they ever been in this country, the victims of institutionalized racism. It's like having swine flu; you'll know it. Whites in Mugabe's Zimbabwe? A case could be made, yes. But what you're talking about, gov't contracts or federal quotas, or school quotas, etc etc, are efforts (late-in-the-day and recent) to give a helping hand to an historically downtrodden Minority population (note: they only make up, overall 12-14% of the US), with the idea on the part of the gov't that such actions are both a "redress" of sorts, for past wrongs, and also as I said a way to (ideally) make the playing field a bit more equal. If more blacks could get into college, then less would be in gangs, right? However, when they go to college, some whites automatically assume they're only there because of a quota.....thus the bigotry continues and resentment even grows. Resulting in something like Rush Limbaugh syndrome......there go the Puerto Rican women and the black men again, taking all the highest and most prestigious positions in the country once again, and leaving all the white men up against that same old g*damn glass ceiling..... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 8:36:53 PM | Right, so show me where today, this minute that a Black is denied anything legally based on the color of his skin?
Why should the Government redress? Ok, now I see where you are coming from you think that Whites owe it to Blacks because of how Blacks have been treated in America historically......So by excluding Whites from government Grants and Jobs and such it is justified because Blacks Used to be Institutionally discriminated against...Why didn't you just say that in the First place...Reparations anyone....... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 8:55:00 PM |
we even have Laws that Protect them more than the normal Protection afforded to Caucasians{Hate Laws} these Laws don't apply to Caucasians
But... But... I thought those laws also applied to homosexuals?
I COULD be wrong (and I am sure someone will post the statistic if I am) although I'm fairly certain I'm not, but the majority of homosexuals in America ARE caucasian. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:46:38 PM |
So in my view, regardless of some of these recent attempts (rather weak and lame IMO) at "victim politics" being played by "angry white people" or angry "white anglo-saxons" to be even more particular, I just don't think they have a case. Not remotely. The more recent measures which have been taken to attempt to level a ridiculously historically uneven playing field for blacks (and have only been moderately successful anyway) have NOT , IMO, caused a climate of institutionalized "reverse discrimination" against white people anywhere NEAR approaching the level of discrimination which blacks have experienced (or still do experience). There's just no comparison and it makes white people seem silly and petty, IMO, when they attempt to draw such parallels.
I agree that a lot of white people whine too much about this situation, but in all honesty, all they're doing is matching the whining they hear from black people on the other side. It's all choosing to be a victim instead of empowering oneself. And it's all pathetic.
There is no such thing as a level playing field. It doesn't happen in nature. Why would it happen in society? Most people just want to be coddled rather than acknowledging reality, facing adversity, and building a life for themselves. Nobody in the pioneer days operated with the candyass spirit of modern America. Today, with so much freedom and so few natural responsibilities (i.e. finding our own food, building our own houses, etc.), we have all this time to just sit around and look for petty things to be upset about.
Post 143 is what is wrong in America...you can't be racist unless you are in power..what a crock..
Unfortunately, the popular accepted frame of mind is that "prejudice plus power equals racism." Therefore anyone who is not in power (i.e. white men) can discriminate to their heart's content with impunity.
Banks wouldn't lend to them because they're white and the owners are black and (in varying degrees) generally despise or at least look down on whites.
Why is it that people are so eager to assume that banks don't lend to black people as often because they must have some kind of deeply rooted prejudice against African Americans? As if it couldn't possibly be any other reason. Like the fact that statistically black people as a whole fall into a higher risk bracket, and banks (being in the money business) are not going to jump at the chance to loan to somebody who is not likely to pay them back. That's not institutional racism. That's common sense.
The black police routinely stop and , oftentimes needlessly or pointlessly, harass innocent white youths walking down the street......simply because they don't like the way they are wearing their khakis or polo shirts, or their Dave Matthews t-shirts or what have you.
This is another popular one. The old "young black men get routinely harassed by the police." Were you aware that young black men are also statistically more likely to have something illegal on them when stopped by the police (i.e. drugs, guns, etc.) than other demographics? Percentage-wise, the other people getting pulled over/questioned/whatever actually have more of a reason to complain that they're being harassed since they're less likely to be actually breaking the law.
It's also interesting how you don't really hear the same outcry about young black women being "harassed" by cops.
DINO, I usually really enjoy your posts. They're always intelligent and well thought out. But I think you dropped the ball a bit in this thread, man. | |
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| Reverse Discrimination
Posted: 10/9/2009 11:03:55 AM | Ismene2,
To your end statement, I agree!
With concern to any inequality, by any race/ group/sect of peoples towards another;
It is from the point of view that any person has as to what is discrimination, usually comes with what side of the stick of giving or getting the discrimination, you're on.
race, gender ... whatever, Anyone/ everyone is more apt to dish it out than recieve it.
all peoples share this fact. and if it is helpful to them, it gets done more often than not.
every body wants to be #1 no body wants to be #2.
That's just the nature of persons in the world no matter which country/era of time/how you live, where you live or what your skills are.
It's the ability to capitalize on the situation at hand that leads to the long/short ends of the stick.
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