| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 5:21:17 PM | I feel the need to share my enlightenment and free the oppressed from the institutional lies*. What they choose to believe after they have seen the truth is up to them. I'm just offering the opportunity of choice. Which I believe to be a fundamental human right.
*I think that almost everyone inside institutional religions believes these lies. Even the Pope. But that doesn't turn lies into truth. Free thought is our right no matter who chooses to forego that right. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 5:31:41 PM |
You and I and all of us have finite minds
Some of us more finite than others...
What Late is doing, actually, is not taking every page from the philosophy and rhetoric playbook, but rather getting into a discussion about a topic raised. Seems to me, that saying "you can't debate this because it cannot be explained!!!" is a wondrous way to get dizzy through circular reasoning but little else.
Intellectualism, which I agree tends to be an enemy of the bible, is simply a belief in intellect and intellectual pursuits. Intellectual pursuits are those that are given to study, reflection and speculation.
Not bad things, in my book and something the more feverish of the evangelical sects might think about taking up for a change...
And let us not forget the irony of the fact that, back in the day, those who wrote the bible were considered part of the intellectual elite. Strange how their work came round full circle to bite them in the a$$ on that front, eh?
god, in the bible at least, didn't want his creation to be intellectual...forbids adam et al from eating from the tree of...knowledge. Get it? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?
Those who fear the pursuit of knowledge fear the pursuit of our manifest destiny to understand ourselves and all that is around us. Knowledge allows us to appreciate and stand in awe of the universe around us, while standing still intellectually, satisfied and complacent with what is told to us in a 2000 document, standing with the certainty that all that is needed to be known, is known...sounds like the more vain of the two approaches to life. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 6:46:00 PM | Absolutely called for...and pretty well true...
Sort of like a spiritual version of being able to call 'time' in a school yard game of tag.
"Whoops! Uh oh...little stuff here that flies in the face of Yahweh...TIME OUT!"
"Sh!t. Okay, I call a reasonable and rational argument card, so that makes your time out over."
"WAIT! Okay, well, I have a god's more reasonable than you or your cards secret key that let's me have a home base here if I refer to it as Jerusalem."
"Hmmn...and did I use my 'logic' stampsies?"
"Yeah, when we were playing creationalist hide and seek..."
"Right, where you count to ten and everything is created and known, including where you are hiding."
"Yup."
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 7:31:52 PM | I meant it was easier to accept things blindly without question rather than think about them and possibly give yourself an headache. I understand that most Christians believe in "blind faith" rather than intellectual questioning. I just don't agree with it.
And I am also really kicking myself for getting into this type of discussion in the first place.... | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/7/2005 8:10:16 AM | Let's all go back to page one.
"Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?"
1. Those who have answered this question refer to the question as "All non-Christians." That can not be true simply because not all non-Christians for their beliefs on others. I think we all misread the question at first.
2. Everyone believes in something, including atheists. Atheists believe in the fact there is no God. Those of other religions believe in the writings, god(s) and/or other entities.
3. If the question were restated to a specific group of people it would be like this (to a Muslim): Why do you not believe in the fact that Jesus was a prophet? Of course we all know Islam accepts the belief that Jesus was a prophet; though Muhammad was the "the Great Prophet."
Conclusion: Whether it was meant to be stated as such on purpose, or not, it was an ignorant question. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 5:06:21 AM | | I think the question states clearly the premise of anti-religious as opposed to just not being christian. For a while I heard alot of sermons (in christian churches) about how Jesus was not religious and that "this church" is not religious. Again the devistating and permeating influence of Colics Anonymous burped up upon us unawares. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 7:19:12 AM | Because we have been bombarded for generations about the "true and righteous path through Christ" propaganda and its our time to finally be able to speak out without fear of being burned at the stake for heresy.
The Christians have been very brutal and very methodical over the past 2000 years to squash any religious belief other then their own. The Muslim faith has survived through sheer weight of numbers and the Jews through tenacity. The rest of us were slowly but steadily persecuted.
Now through generations of underground movements, we can step out into the full light of day and proclaim our faith proudly.
Trust me on this sparky, we're out of the broom-closet and here to stay. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 7:29:12 AM | [QUOTE]Because they are agents of Satan. A good example of this would be the faggots who attack the Catholic church because ot the Church's teachings on the sanctity of marriage and the sin of homosexuality. [/QUOTE]
But Catholic priest **** little boys in the ass, what are they, agents of "god"?
You also sound like a skinhead, preaching some BS about God while spewing hate and intolerance. Whose really the agents of Satan??
BTW I don't believe in any of that shit...god, satan , santa clause or the tooth fairy. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 9:06:49 AM | Quiet a few atheists I met online used to be Christians, they are either highly educated or intelligent. Obviously religion doesn't work for many people otherwise would they stop believing. I see many Christians meditating and studying the buddhist scriptures. Yet in the bible it states you can only have one master not two. So these people are in vain.
Atheists does not have holy wars. You don't atheists preaching to stop believing in god but I do see Christians trying to convert people. It ok to tell us once but trying to force us change isn't good because one has to have his or heart into it otherwise it's just a waste of time. Christians should accept the way people are, good or bad.
Didn't Jesus teach to turn the other cheek? If you accept Jesus in your life you should follow his teachings. If someone verbally attacks you, you shouldn't get mad, you should have love and compassion for the person. You shouldn't be fighting back because that goes what Jesus taught yet you claim you have accepted Jesus in your life. Who are you trying to fool? You're not a Christian unless you follow his teachings otherwise you're just a person who claim to be Christian. I am just pointing this out.
In Buddhism people are taught to question everything. Don't blindly accept things, learn, think and then figure out if it works for you.
I hope in the future you enlighten to Jesus' teachings. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 9:11:46 AM |
The bible also tells you to sell your daughters, slaves to obey their masters, you should kill a man who works on the sabbath, and women shouldn't be touched during their periods.
Do we REALLY want to follow such teachings today?
Well if you were a dirt poor farmer in a third world country who got approached by a slick city/mafia guys from the city offering you a years wages for your dauther and your other kids were starving you might do it. Or if you were a slave and death was your alterative you'd prolly obey your master anyway. If you were in a country that killed people who worked on the sabbath you'd prolly take a break on that day. And if your girl gets really moody on those days and has a good left hook... well... | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 9:29:23 AM | If you pose a question, I may choose to respond.
If you state your own beliefs publicly, I may choose to do so as well. My views are every bit as valid as anyone elses'. (Actually, more so, but perhaps I'm biased!)
If you promote belief in the supernatural, I may argue in favor of evidence and rationality. But if you argue for super-rationality, I may argue in favor of balancing various human impulses (including the spiritual), but consciously.
You may be right - or not - but questioning our beliefs prevents us from becoming mentally enslaved to possible falsehoods. Some people want to be anyway, but that's their right, too. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 10:43:36 AM | well this is just as touchy as abortion...theres 2 different views on it and either a person is for it, doesn't believe or in the middle and doesn't care...i'm in the middle on this one...i could care less what you values are in the religious view as long as no one tried to force me to change my mind or views...like mormons...they drive me nuts...i can't stand them cause there always preaching about the bible crap and try to convert everyone...i just tell them i have my own views and turn up my music so i can't hear them...or they have the nerve to knock on your door and do this preaching...next time one comes knocking on my door i'll play satanic music and pretend to worship the "devil" lol...
even though i don't believe in haven or hell...i believe you choose where you go after death...
i like to be a poltergeist and scare people after i die  | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 1:06:04 PM | I'm a non-christian, but to say I am "anti" religion is inaccurate.. and a judgement call on the OP's part.
I AM anti-stupidity... but that isn't the sole province of religion, or atheism, although polarized thinking is pretty close to being a complete dumbass, IMHO.
I like to challenge people to think outside their comfortable frame of reference... also I find when I do so I get to learn a lot too. Sitting back and never discussing anything in depth or exploring ideology is..well... a boring and stagnant position and one I hope I am never guilty of.
Also.. whenever I hear someone proclaim sonething (anything really) as the TRUTH, I want to check it out.. and then I want it substantiated.. because I am searching for truth.. but I am by nature a very logical person and also a skeptic.
And debate is one of my very FAVE things.
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 1:41:41 PM | Is this a serious question?
why? If there was no religion's trying to infect the world I don't think anyone would be talking about non belief. Personal belief is one thing, and we wouldn't know to say anything about it would we. But Religions don't work like that, they need new followers to keep it alive or it will die, simple as that. So followers some how have been brainwashed to think its ok to pollute the world with the garbage they have been fed. Some of us don't want our world to be polluted with beliefs that enslave people's minds to do nothing but believe.
Its funny how some religious people feel like they've really done something meaningful by spreading a virus like belief to someone else. When people get sexually transmitted diseases most have the good sense to keep it to themselves. But because religious people don't see the sickness of their beliefs they think its ok to infect everyone around them even their loved ones.
If people kept their beliefs to themselves which ones would survive? Which ones would people actively seek out? | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/21/2008 4:27:53 PM | aberdeeno
Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
What the heck does non-christian have to do with being anti-religious?
some people will go to extreme lengths to try and disprove the existence of either God or Jesus...
The atheists/agnostics here are usually the first ones to correct anyone who is stupid enough to try to disprove god.
for some of us God, Jesus and all things Religious are not things to be questioned and torn apart but instead are things to be simply accepted.
Nobody wants to take your faith away.
But if someone makes false claims, it is only natural to have them refuted. Not everyone is so willing to 'simply accept' lies and dogma.
It seems to me that spending your whole time trying to disprove the existence of anything is a fairly fruitless exercise...
Couldn't agree more.
Is there not more constructive things for people to be getting on with
I agree again. Personally I enjoy gaining an understanding of this wonderful world we live in, and am fortunate enough to have the objectivitiy to follow evidence whereever it leads, and not have to dismiss or fail to pursue evidence that doesn't fit with my beliefs.
OP, you sound like someone who can't tolerate those who believe differently, stand up for their beliefs, ask christians to take their foot off their throat, or correct error. If you can't accept such things, perhaps you should confine yourself to christian sites that don't allow members with contrasting beliefs. | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/22/2008 7:08:25 AM | Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Is that a serious question?
Atheists and anti-theists don't have multiple, obscenely large, shrines to their beliefs in every city in this country.
Nor do they demand that all politicians and public figures proclaim their "piety" and thank fantasy beings for their successes.
Nor do see them on TV on Sundays begging people for money.
Nor do they come to your door w/ pamphlets disturbing you at odds hours of the day.
And they don't block people from medical treatments because they "disagree" w/ the reasons or benefits of those treatments.
And they don't suggest that their beliefs are the source of all "moral" truth and behavior.
And...well...do I need to continue?
Most people believe in one form of religion or another.
This has only slightly changed since the inception of the country.
Isn't that enough for the religious?
What do you want...total submission?
Would THAT even be enough for you? | |
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| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/22/2008 8:44:26 AM | "Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religious belief's on people?"
I as an atheist have never personally pushed my "beliefs" on anyone. What "beliefs" could I possibly push? Having been on both side of the equation, I can assure you that having belief in something is entirely different than simply not believing.
To not believe in a deity or deities is NOT a belief.....and I don't CARE if people want to say that it is...makes absolutely no difference to me...it's all semantics and I don't waste my time debating semantics.
I also have no desire to "win" a debate or to prove that I'm "right" since I don't know that I am nor have I ever claimed to know. All I know for sure is what I feel inside of me and have felt for almost my entire life.
And the older I get, the less tolerant I've become of having what I feel is the biggest lie ever told to mankind shoved in my face and the face of my children.
I've grown tired of having to constantly defend my morals and my values and of having to prove that I am a kind and compassionate person in spite of being a "dirty atheist".... I'm sick of it in fact.
Push my beliefs?? Pfftt...is this a joke or what??! Who do you think writes to me to tell me that I'll be burning in hell for eternity and that I've condemned my children to the same fate for my "non-beliefs"?
Who calls me arrogant, egoistical, hedonistic, and the source of all evil and would like me to just shut my mouth and disappear from the face of the earth?? WHO?!?
Well I'm here to stay and I'm not going anywhere and I will NOT keep my mouth shut. Don't like it? Or me? Or my children? Or my granddaughter? And?...........that changes WHAT exactly.....?!?
To be perfectly honest, I'm done "making nice" and trying to respect every one's point of view...respect is a two way street is it not?
I cannot respect people who try to impose their will on other people...it's as simple as that IMO.
I also have no respect or tolerance whatsoever for ANY religions that brain washes and indoctrinates children from the moment they are born, reducing them to sheep status before they're even old enough to think for themselves.
That to me and in my opinion, is one of the single most harmful crime committed against another human, where you are in effect robbing that human of his natural sense of curiosity and wonderment and making him question his own critical thinking abilities....something we're all born with but taught to suppress and not listen to in the name of a "higher power" that knows it all and has all the answers...dang!
Myself, I'm what some call a "de facto' atheist, which means that I'm not completely discounting the very remote possibility of the existence of a deity or deities, although it feels highly improbable to me...BUT I am a strong anti-theist, which means that it's this whole religion business I object to.
In other words, it's not the "faith" that people have for their personal god or gods that bothers me...that's between them and their god(s). But their right to "believe" in anything they want to believe in ends where mine begins and/or when they start to push those beliefs on others in order to control, manipulate, shame or guilt them into believing the same as they do. That's where I draw the line and I'll "push" back.
*Just my opinion(s)*
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