| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/29/2006 11:58:28 AM | Aww steroids!!! I am not for or against it...just giving my opinion.
People see a big muscular guy and the first thing that comes to mind is steroid. Why? Because bodybuilding is more open about it. But when they see a superstar baseball player, tennis player, basketball player or olympic athletes they think it's all natural...I don't think so.
One thing to keep in mind is that steroids are not dangerous as people think. If a person is in good health and that person is responsible enough to take reasonable amounts....and goes for regular check ups and bloodwork every once in while that's smart.
People that have side effects are the people that abuse the drug...plain and simple!!!
Keep in mind they are times that some drugs can elevate your blood pressure, HDL, LDL and Triglycerides, that's why you have to get checked. Like any drug a doctor will prescribe you, making sure that you are responding well to the drug is imperative.
Like any drug...yes they are risks. But if the person is smart and responsible, they're shouldn't be any problems.
This is a choice of freedom...
Try it and be smart about it!!!
Or not taking that's is a better choice....
My two cents.... | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 27 | |
| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/29/2006 8:02:23 PM | | how about.......if you take them..be honest about it!!........if they are that safe; why doesn't everybody do them??.......maybe because its cheating; plain and simple. If you aren't competing in any sport. fine...but if you are ....face the consequences of being booted from that sport. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 3:37:19 AM | I don't take them. I stick to natural supplements such as creatine.
The sport of bodybuilding is where it is today because of steroids. At competitions, they're is no drug testing, unless it's a national. Now they just don't take steroids, they also take insulin, IGF-1, Growth Hormone, Clenbuterol, Tyroid T3's and duretics.
A lot of them take a lot of drugs and are still in good health. But the ones that are not, are the one that were stupid by not checking up with their health during all thoses years of drug use.
Why doesn't everybody take them? Some people have no interest to get bigger and muscular. Some do!! Depending your goal...steroids will come in. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 9:13:12 AM | I can honestly say that if they were safe and legal I would have no problem doing them.
Obviously the jury (IMO) is still out as to safety. Sure we hear the horror stories but IMO those are the ABUSERS taking them in HUGE doses. Do the quadruple dose of hamburgers or aspirin or anything and see what happens over the long term.
But the fact still remains they are illegal and classified as a controlled substance like cocaine. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 12:24:44 PM | It is actually legal in the states. It's called hormone-replacement therapy, it's a clinic with a real doctor. They is a therapy clinic not a black market steroids dealer!!!
As some people know that as you get older, women and men have a actual drop in hormonal functions. Men over 30 to 60 that have a concern over this can go to theses clinics.
First what they do is check your hormones levels, if they are under the norm then they can treat you with US FDA approved drugs such as testosterone, GH, etc.
But if you have skyrocket levels of hormones like a teenager...forget about it!!! They will not prescribe anything. I believe that it is covered or part by insurance too, believe or not...
They treat woman for monopause...now they're doing it for men (andropause).
Why not... | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 32 | |
| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 3:48:59 PM | | I competed in 2 natural bodybuilding shows.....which were tested.....run by a natural bodybuilding association; they are out there....you just have to look. some people don't cheat.........period. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 4:15:50 PM | Yes, it's good that there's real natural shows.
But some still cheat...it's hard to believe. Some steroids metabolites will only stay around 20 days in your body. So they stop about 3 weeks before the show.
There's a lot of olympic records that were broken by cheating. Pretty insane and stupid...some athletes would take some compounds that would block steroid metabolites from being excreted by urine and many other tricks. The athletes are always ahead of the testers...The sprinter Ben Johnson got caught but many didn't. | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 34 | |
| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 9:51:40 PM | some of the stuff that covers the steroids........is what kills some of them; including some pro bodybuilders.....many of those olympic champions were caught; but.......nothing was said......... which isn't fair to anybody. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 5/30/2006 10:09:31 PM | ^^^ that's a very good point you made. the masking agents that many athletes use are a far greater risk than some of the anabolics or androgenics that they are using.
other drugs like insulin, epo, thyroid medications, growth hormones, cortisol suppressors and dieuretics are all the drugs that are giving especially body builders a bad reputation and all are drugs that i would never touch because I know if you phuck up just once with any of them especially the dieuretics and insulin you could be dead before your next protein shake. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 6/1/2006 4:40:04 PM | | I wouldn't even know how to get 'juice'. I don't think its proper black market ettiquette to walk around the locker room at the gym asking people for 'roids... | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/2/2006 5:24:13 AM | Alright
Just hearing u say u want to take dbol piss' me of.
You obviously have no idea what your talking about.
Check these sites out for info , ask questions if u want. Theres pro BB's on this site and many are good buddys. They are there to help.
www.canadianjuicemonsters.com
www.musclenexus.com
Enjoy
you dont want to do dbol only cycle and its very very toxic on the liver. Research all products before using.
Last thing u want to do is damage your liver perminantly. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/2/2006 3:21:39 PM | The majority of guys that you hear about damaging they're liver or having strokes over it also don't tell you how much they are taking. These guys turn around and stack mutliple anabolics with each other to gain a desired effect. Which in turn is WAY out of the perscribed medical amount to take. But do they mention that ever??? Nope.
It's his choice if he wants to do it or not. Sure you can let him know that there is other options out there, but to get all pissy about it well isn't really your place. People are going to do whatever they want to do, that's that. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/2/2006 3:33:18 PM | I agree...Dianabol is not a good idea!!! D-Bol has a 17-alpha-alkylated to help it survive the liver upon first pass. Liver values are elevated over a short period of time, making long-term use a very dangerous affair.
Liver values should return to normal quite fast after discontinuation however since the effects are so short-lived. Other risks associated with the use of D-Bol include the apparition of Gyno side-effects because it interacts rather well with the aromatase enzyme on because of its methylated properties. It's best used in conjunction with an anti-estrogen like Nolvadex or estrogen blocker Femera.
Gynocomastia, high blood pressure, salt and water retention and mild cases of acne are therefore not uncommon.
That's why!!! | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 41 | |
| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/2/2006 4:45:26 PM | | how about using the energy wasted on all that research on steroids........to workout properly???...I wish they'd ban the stuff period. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/2/2006 4:54:28 PM | In my opinion....It's good that I'm informing the few that might be curious to try it. I can't control their actions but at least i'm informing them why it's not good and not a good choice. Not just saying don't do it...like everybody.
As far as your thoughts on wasted research...that's your opinion...I study anything that is part of bodybuilding, weither it's steroids, diets, programs, etc. and don't plan on stopping because of your opinion.... | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 43 | |
| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/3/2006 10:41:01 PM | | its only my opinion....just like you have yours....the reseach I meant; is bodybuilders going to people who are biased; meaning all FOR steroids; not neutral......it shouldn't be part of bodybuilding; if they ever hope to get into the olympics.......they'll have to do something about it; I know its contradictory, but.........its more obvious at the olympias....either that; or have a separate event for them..like women who don't care that they look and sound......like men. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 6:17:53 AM | Sorry to say but steroids will be here for a long time, so you better give up on your wish.
The sport is getting crazy, for the 5 minute fame they have and take all thoses drugs, put their body thru hell. It's insane!!! Mr.Olympia is not drug tested and will never be. I agree that the woman are getting too muscular. Scary!!!
One thing that gets me angry is that you see thoses bodybuilders get contracts with dietary supplements companies such as Muscletech, Nutrex, Vyo Tech, they pose in the magazines to promote or to claim that their gains were because thoses products....awww come on!!! Companies scam people just like all the ab machines sold on the TV promoting 5 minutes a day will give men with beer bellies a 6 pack!!! The general population get sucked in thoses ads or commercials!!! That's what fustrates me...
I agree that if you look the period of Arnold, Frank Zane, Sergio Olivia, Franco Columbo, etc...and compare the present bodybuilders there is a big difference!!! Today They're monsters compared to Arnold's era back then.
Why? Drugs are much more advanced and take unbelievable amounts. They combine with steroids stacks, insulin (which is the reason they have distented bellies), growth hormone, insulin growth factor-1. Not to mention all the different blockers they take to stop adverse effects of megadosing their drug use like Proscar for hair loss, Accutane for acne, Nolvadex for gyno, Nubain for pain from injuries.
When dieting they take Clenbuterol which is similar to ephedrine but better, Cytomel or Syntroid which is tyroid regulator. The diuretics they use to get the ripped look like Lasik, they use diuretics to flush all the water out.
Some of the bodybuilders I referred to before died of heart failure from lack of electrolytes in their body. With low or without sodium and potassium in your body it gives a imbalance causing cramping and other irregularities in muscle contraction. That's betting russian roulette with your life...if you ask me.
This is the cold hard truth of pro bodybuilding... | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 7:05:07 AM | if they ever hope to get into the olympics.......
I honestly hope BB never becomes an Olympic event because it's really no different than figure skating in how they determine a winner, it's 100% subjective and perfectly set up for political favourtism. It's really only the primary lifelong dream of 2 men that want to see BB in the Olympics and that is Ben and Joe Weider who quiete honestly made something out of nothing that gave people like Arnold a chance to make something out of their life.
The first 2 BB's that died that I can recall because of their own stupidity from the pre contest drugs that I can think of were Andreas Munzer who was taking mega dosages of cortisol supressors which were only to be used for those suffering from cushings syndrome and Mohammod Benaziza who quite honestly dehydrated himself to death from all of his dieuretic uses (plus he was only eating blended apples for his last few days plus drugs) but he did win his last contest then died a few hours later.
Steroids will always be involved in most levels of BB'ing but it's all the other fringe drugs that are killing some of them.
The supplement companies that hire these people to pose with a can of protein powder etc..so they can sell to the 12 to 17 year olds that their ads are "geared" towards I believe should all be locked up, they rely on the uneducated and naive to make their buck but that is where thses people get the tens of thousands they require for their drug stacks (the steroids are relatively cheap) such as the GH etc...
The only way to really get the drugs out of sport is to somehow take the fame out of it, until some of them actually start to die right there on stage infront of cameras it will not change. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 10:17:57 AM |
The only way to really get the drugs out of sport is to somehow take the fame out of it, until some of them actually start to die right there on stage infront of cameras it will not change.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the fame is what dictates the sport, it's the whole idea behind it. For some reason people don't want to see builds like Arnies old build anymore, they want to see monster like Ronnie Coleman up there, all vascular and tissue papery. With the un-ability to walk properly anymore or the ability to wipe his own ass anymore. Being that big is NOT healthy in my mind, it's a hinderance.
Don't even get me started on the woMENS competitions those have degenerated to what the Germans/Russians womens teams looked like in the early/late 70's olympics. The amount of hormones that some of them take, they develop adams apples, heavy jaws and of course enlarged clitoris. It's not attractive in at all, the whole feminine form is lost in those events.
The natural body builders have it the worst, with a sport clouded in drug abuse, they have to push immensley to have a clean sport. When a guy or gal has good genetics and pushes hard and eats right, gains are made, but someone will always turn around and say ohhh steroids that's why. When it's not true at all. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 10:44:53 AM | I agree with you Unrefined...I believe that having good genetics plays an important part of bodybuilding.
Natural bodybuilders have it the hardest because there are always other athletes that find a way to cheat. There some natural bodybuilders that have awesome physiques without the help of enhancing drugs, but still people predetermine that they're on the juice... | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 49 | |
| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 4:17:48 PM | mysterious.......I have been told by former BB's...who trained in Canada and the States...back in the 70's and early 80's...that both Weiders were the WORST for pushing steroids; they would walk right up to people and offer it for nothing!!
I have also heard that the distended bellies come from stretched intestines.
yes, it is hard to be natural..........because people don't believe you....... I also wish that those huge female BB's wouldn't get breast implants.........it just makes them look worse.... | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 6/4/2006 4:39:38 PM | mysterious.......I have been told by former BB's...who trained in Canada and the States...back in the 70's and early 80's...that both Weider's were the WORST for pushing steroids; they would walk right up to people and offer it for nothing!!
...that really doesn't surprise me at all, but that was also well over 25 ,30 years ago and more when the general population didn't have a clue what a steroid was and most likely all strength athletes at the Olympic level were all "on" something.
There is definitely a place for natural bodybuilding but that sport itself is pretty dirty because there are many anabolics that you can take right up to a few days before you are submitted to testing and still pass, and depending on what they are testing for you may not have to "come off" your drug of choice. Many organizations that test only look at your testosterone to estrogen ratio and as long as it is no greater than 7:1 you're considered "clean"
one suggestion if I had the authority would be to implement minimum body fat percentages such as nothing lower than 5-7% or you could be deducted points that go towards your final score, that would eliminate so many dangerous compounds that right there it would attract more people to the sport that think could have a chance at competing and winning without mortgaging the farm and risk their health.
edit...as far as the females getting implants, I had a short fling with one and wish she did have them, also wish she'd stay away from the anadrol and the tren to. | |
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