| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 9/27/2009 2:26:38 PM | Nope. I really like my balls.
I go to the gym because I want to lean down. Looking good is an afterthought. The main reason was to lose weight, help my blood sugars, get the cholesterol in check, lower my triglicerides, and drop my blood pressure.
Getting jacked is an afterthought. I don't need to look good at all costs. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 9/28/2009 4:58:02 AM | | Nah, I like the results I get from the hard work and few supplements I use (Creatine). No need for me personally, risks outweigh the benefits. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 9/28/2009 7:35:25 AM | never wud I , or do I care about how the other sex see's me.
After all that is why guys buff up , to impress , sad really when you spend so much time worryin about how others think , instead of being secure with your place. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 9/28/2009 1:30:31 PM | | I wouldn't personally (too nervous about side effects and such) , but if I were in a serious weight/physical-training mode for whatever reason then I might consider using some of the more commercially available kinds of "enhancements" such as Creatine (sp?) or what have you. Nothing illegal though. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 9/29/2009 10:32:42 AM |
400mg of Testosterone
50mg of Anadrol
200mg of Deca
Wow that a lot of gear for a woman! Your sister has issues because these are MALE hormones. She pretty much gave herself a sex change. Safe to say that you can add an enlarged clit to her list of issues...
There is NO connection between steriods and developing cancer. If you already have cancer then they will likely cause it to grow more rapidly, but you have to have it to begin with.
Steroids can be abused, but they also do a lot of good. They stop the HIV positive from dying of AIDS (just ask Magic Johnson and many others). They help aging men live longer, healthier lives. They also build muscle in healthy men with few if any side-effects if used in moderation. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/2/2009 6:47:26 PM | if i had a fitness job offer as in sponsored athlete or fitness model i would take a cycle. im already sorta big now for being natural but steroids would take it to a whole different level. if your taking it just to get a date i wouldnt. theres too much risks. as in the aggresiveness department. i dunno. its been proven that if a person is an ***hole steroids will make him a bigger ***hole. and usually when you go to a gym thats all you'll find lol. but there still are some natural iron warriors out there tearing it up and they get mad respect from me! | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/4/2009 12:48:24 AM | People barely understand nutrition and proper form.
Steroids are complicated and it takes lots of time and research before one can do them properly.
Watch bigger faster stronger.
It's a documentary on steroids with some insight.
But jesus when I read " I do protein shakes" I get a little uneasy, it's like saying "I do milk"
The amount of ignorance is frustrating, and it is not your average persons fault. It's advertising giving people this false impression they need things labelled with "HARD CORE"
to get big.
Their main ingredients:
Whey is Whey is cheese by product. It's all the same.
Dextrose is Dextrose is Sugar. It's all the same.
Caffiene? Try coffee or plain caffiene pills.
Creatine? Creatine monohydrate in pure powdered form is the onle way it's worth taking.
But really no one who's NEW to weightlifting PROPERLY shouldn't have to touch any of this.
Try a real program based around heavy compound lifts and eating big first.
If you don't get results from that you aren't eating big enough. gahh I could go on for ever. Bloody noobs. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/4/2009 9:30:12 AM | Sooner or later I would. For me it would depend upon the point at which I get unsatisfied at my rate of progression.
If I can add either 1lb of weight per week or a rep to a big compound movement like a squat, deadlift, bench press or row then I'm good, and that same amount every two weeks to something like a curl or a skullcrusher then the same applies.
Once it starts taking me a month to add a couple of pounds or a couple of reps then I think I'll consider it more seriously. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/5/2009 6:49:42 AM |
Once it starts taking me a month to add a couple of pounds or a couple of reps then I think I'll consider it more seriously.
Actually even that is too soon in my opinion. One should fully reach their natural potential before considering gear. If you can make any gains at all (in week, month, or year) by adusting diet, rest, or training then you haven't reached your natural potential.
For bodybuilding one's natural max tends to be around 195 lbs. at 5'10" (add/subract 7 lbs. per inch to adustjust for height) with true single digit bodyfat for someone with good genetics. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/5/2009 7:06:05 AM |
For bodybuilding one's natural max tends to be around 195 lbs. at 5'10" (add/subract 7 lbs. per inch to adustjust for height) with true single digit bodyfat for someone with good genetics.
You've got to be kidding me. I'm 5'10" and I reached 210lbs at around 13/14% bodyfat within only just over a couple of years of serious training.
Average guys that height, if we're talking single digit bodyfat, are going to be able to hit 230 eventually, if they train for long enough. If we're talking good genetics we're talking far heavier. Look at some of the bruisers at intensemuscle.com for examples, there are some natural monsters there. Of course you assume they're telling the truth about being natural, but I know several guys bigger than that personally who I know well enough to know they're natural. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/5/2009 9:43:59 AM | You're doing really well then, but I'd be surprised if you have much further to go naturally. Maybe another 10 pounds if you are lucky.
230 at 9% or less naturally? Good luck with that! Few "naturals" are truly natural -- especially if they compete.
Steve Reeves competed at 6'1" 213 pounds back in 1947. I'd say that is the best that any true natural has EVER done. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 9:52:35 AM |
You're doing really well then, but I'd be surprised if you have much further to go naturally. Maybe another 10 pounds if you are lucky.
I don't think so. I have a long way to go, there are a lot of huge, huge guys naturally. Hell, there are mechanics and builders and stuff and even just genetic freaks who are absolutely huge naturally and they've never even lifted a weight, they just have it in them to be big. If someone dedicates themselves to it they can go far. I have WAY more than 10lbs in me naturally, maybe even as many as 30, although I appreciate we're now talking quite a few years to achieve that.
230 at 9% or less naturally? Good luck with that! Few "naturals" are truly natural -- especially if they compete.
Steve Reeves competed at 6'1" 213 pounds back in 1947. I'd say that is the best that any true natural has EVER done.
Come on man, you only have to look at any serious muscle message board to see hordes of teenagers more built than Steve Reeves. You can't think they're all on roids, surely? I'm sure many of them are but we're talking legions of people here. Muscletalk.com is a good place to start, so is Intensemuscle.com. Steve Reeves followed full body routines only, and while I'm not knocking them at all and think they're wonderful for beginners and intermediates, once you're at a certain level of development then it's got to be a split routine to go further. Had Reeves done that then he would've been bigger, no question at all.
Like I said, I know guys who have been at it years and years and years who are bigger than Reeves who are natural. I imagine some of them are probably lying, the ones I don't know too well, but I know others very, very well who I trust completely to be telling the truth. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 10:30:28 AM | Trust me, I'm on Intense Muscle and pretty much every other serious board out there.
Do you know what a true 9% looks like? Or Steve Reeves for that matter?
Arnold's competition weight was only 25 lbs. heavier than Steve Reeves -- do you think that he was natural?
There are some huge naturals out there, but getting to 9% or less bodyfat will result in a lot of lost muscle for the natural bodybuilder. The rule of thumb for naturals is 5 lbs. of muscle lost for each % of bodyfat lost. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 10:54:42 AM | | Yeah, but if you're talking muscle loss when you lose bodyfat then you're not talking about how big someone can get naturally, you're talking about how big AND cut someone can get naturally which is not the same thing. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 11:28:14 AM |
you're talking about how big AND cut someone can get naturally which is not the same thing.
Hence, the 9% or less bodyfat qualification in my post. You can certainly grow a lot of muscle naturally, but holding it at low bodyfat levels is impossible to do naturally.
There are some 300 - 400+ lb. natural powerlifters with a lot of muscle, but most are 25% bodyfat or close to it. Even more extreme are sumo wrestlers -- they have more muscle than most pro bodybuilders, but you'll never see it.
Not trying to rain on your parade, I just hate to see people thinking that something is wrong when they fail to live up to their dream of being huge and ripped naturally. I know that I chased that dream for many years before learning the cold, hard, truth. All of my heros were on drugs! | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 11:39:48 AM | You certainly do have to sacrifice muscle to get really lean, but you don't have to be 25% bodyfat to hold a lot of muscle, there's a happy medium, and I think you're underestimating how big you can get naturally and still be relatively lean. I think the limit is definitely much bigger than Steve Reeves.
Hell, look at T-Nation's very own Christian Thibaudeau. He's definitely bigger than Reeves, 220+ at 5'8" and well under 10% bodyfat, and he's natural, he's a huge proponent of natural bodybuilding and he would've been caught out long ago if he wasn't natural himself, being so famous.
https://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/1/1/1112386.1150474173498.Christian_Thibaudeau_001.jpg
The guy's a fair bit bigger than that now if you've seen recent pics on T-Nation, I just couldn't find any offhand. | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 12:34:25 PM | Christian Thibaudeau natural? Not a chance in my opinion. Same is true for his girlfriend.
I do believe that Layne Norton is actually natural, but VERY few are. It is impossible to get caught cheating if one is careful unfortunately and many things can't even be tested for.
Anyway, just my $.02. You'll find out for yourself what is or isn't possible soon enough. Good luck! | |
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| Would you ever juice?
Posted: 10/5/2009 12:40:26 PM | Well, it does appear we have a difference of opinion, but thanks for the well wishing of luck! I think I've done pretty well so far and I have a pretty good idea of what works well for my body, so I tend to stick to minor variations on those training principles and keep gaining.
Plus I'm not too bothered about being sub 10% bodyfat really... happy enough hanging around the 12% mark and not really having any flab to grab hold of, just not being ripped. Much easier to hold muscle that way, and since I'd rather have a much bigger build than I currently have I'll just keep on going. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/13/2009 12:50:45 AM | | if your not willing to consider any edge possible to becoming that champion you want even, then maybe youre not cut out to achieve youre goals or just dont want it bad enough | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/13/2009 5:10:12 PM | | I would use steroids if my life depended upon gaining a lot muscle mass in a very short amount of time to fend off zombies, aliens or some other swarm of nefarious beings. Otherwise... I don't think that I'll play around with my hormonal equilibrium. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:19:53 AM |
People barely understand nutrition and proper form.
Steroids are complicated and it takes lots of time and research before one can do them properly.
Watch bigger faster stronger.
It's a documentary on steroids with some insight.
But jesus when I read " I do protein shakes" I get a little uneasy, it's like saying "I do milk"
The amount of ignorance is frustrating, and it is not your average persons fault. It's advertising giving people this false impression they need things labelled with "HARD CORE"
to get big.
Their main ingredients:
Whey is Whey is cheese by product. It's all the same.
Dextrose is Dextrose is Sugar. It's all the same.
Caffiene? Try coffee or plain caffiene pills.
Creatine? Creatine monohydrate in pure powdered form is the onle way it's worth taking.
But really no one who's NEW to weightlifting PROPERLY shouldn't have to touch any of this.
Try a real program based around heavy compound lifts and eating big first.
If you don't get results from that you aren't eating big enough. gahh I could go on for ever. Bloody noobs.
Good post. Totally agree.
I have nothing against steroids and used to think by 40 I'd consider HRT (hormone replacement therapy). Personally I think now that I can hold off and still make gains naturally until I'm at least 50. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/16/2009 12:55:58 AM | Lets just delete all the threads,
no one really wants an opinion or a source of information,
no one really wants the chance to read through all the reply's and come of with a deductive conclusion. Who'd want to do that?
That's ridiculous.
Lets just tell people to go to fitness spas and get a trainer with a 2 day certification to teach them that step ups and bicep curls are the only way they'll get fit and that jenny craig or atkens are the best diets around.
Who wants knowledge? Certainly not me. In fact would someone please throw a blindfold over my head so I can walk around completely blind.
Lets stop saving peoples feelings and start supplying people with useful topics for conversation that will lead research and better informed opinions.
and as far as steroids are concerned there is a good documentary out there called harder better fast stronger. I'd suggest watching it to start for those curious about supplements and steroids. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/16/2009 12:58:50 AM | | I was away for a couple of days and hadn't realized I had already posted in this thread then read page 4 which grinded my gears. I apologize for the redundancy of my second post. | |
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| Would you ever juice?[use steroids]
Posted: 10/16/2009 3:49:06 PM | of course! gear wont hurt you if used properly. most people out of the loop dont know a thing about aas usage. usage, i said, not abusage. ive allegedly used on n off for 4 years. balls r a big as ever, even on cycle. only thing bad is that u get strong so fast, yr prone to injury if ur not careful.
btw, u want the best workout routine ive ever tried? dc training. 14 pounds in 7 weeks, clean. strength gains like mad! u just gotta have the guts to do it right. | |
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