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Posted: 4/12/2009 12:33:28 PM | How often do you wear a suit and tie? Now THAT is sexy.
Dresses, stockings, and high heels are the way women were held back and trapped into
the mind set that their entire worth was defined by how desirable sexually they are to men and unfortunately that is still a problem women are struggling with.
When will women's value to society be as something more than sex objects?
We may not still be in dresses and stockings but we now have to get big
silicone bags surgically inserted into our chests and lips and show our perfectly
flat bare midrifs as a fashion style.
If a person exercises regularly and takes care of their health, that is the new sexy. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 2:24:54 PM | Interesting thread, I really liked it.
OT: I wore a suit and tie 5 days a week, sometimes 6 for 35+ years in my career. Unfortunately no dress down Fridays either. Most dates I wore a suit and tie, until I was too stiff. Then went to slacks and sport coats, still occasionally do that.
I must admit, I wear jeans and a nice shirt, think "Polo". I like the no tie thing after so many years with.
As for women, yeah I've got admit, I love skirts, dresses and high heels with stockings. I always think of Lauren Bacall, now there was one of the most sexy women in the world. Even in jeans she looked like a million. But for the most part her roles involved skirts and dreeses.
As one poster said, the genders, especially women, dressed to impress a guy, that was lost with the feminist movement. I understand it was a pain in the azz. But I really believe it was just another step in the "me" generation. "I" don't have to please you, because "I" am as important as you and "I" want my way, your way is not about "me".
Part of the lost respect everyone seeks and can't seem to find is found in what we are willing to do for each other. I am not talking sex, just simple courteies we extend each other. JMO< Bob | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 3:10:39 PM | The end of wearing skirts and dresses and stockings is NOT another step in the me generation of being selfish. It is an advancement of women in the work force doing the same jobs as men: doctors, lawyers, cops, firefighters and businesspersons.
How dare anyone say that this is just something that's all about me me me.
Let me educate any males out there that think women are just being selfish by not dressing for men's entertainement. It's about women doing equal work for equal pay, something that in many professions has not happened yet.
The poster above me seems to be saying that "lost respect" for women is because women don't do the courtesy of being sex objects for men any more.
Grandpa this is 2009 and if you don't respect women for not being "courteous" enough to dress for your titillation then it if your problem. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 3:37:59 PM | ^^^^^ Thank you very much, my point is made.
Notice the condescending attitude, the almost smug way she tells me off. "Grandpa", although she is not that far in age. It screams me, me, me,!!!
As for the womens movement, yes it was about equal pay, something most women have access to. They can be firemen, police, constructionworker, whatever they choose. It even includes women in combat in the military, something I believe is wrong. It is not about dressing for me, it is about dressing for each other, but you don't understand that either (ME again).
In the end though, you go your way, I'll go mine. Whatever floats your boat. Because when you get right down to it, WE ARE BOTH entitled to our opinion, even though you don't want to believe that is correct, (sigh) but then again, it is all about you isn't it. Bob | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 6:02:55 PM | The end of wearing skirts and dresses and stockings is NOT another step in the me generation of being selfish. It is an advancement of women in the work force doing the same jobs as men: doctors, lawyers, cops, firefighters and businesspersons. What this advancement in the work force has to do with the clothes? If I make more money why can't I look as a woman? I like myself wearing something sexy and if I can't do it at work, it definitely will be appropriate when I go out or at home
women don't do the courtesy of being sex objects for men any more. a man I go out with does me the courtesy to wear what looks sexy for me...I do return the favor to him. Because making love starts not 5 min before sex but much earlier...and if he doesn't make me want him all the time I am sure won't seduce him with clothes, shoes, lingerie etc.
This is the eternal dance of seduction and arguing about it just pointless. Women do look sexy no matter how much money they make...it's been always like that and hope it will stay this way
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Posted: 4/12/2009 6:15:06 PM |
Because making love starts not 5 min before sex but much earlier..
This is the eternal dance of seduction and arguing about it just pointless Geepers, This sounds like me...nice thoughts sunny | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 6:29:14 PM | What this advancement in the work force has to do with the clothes? If I make more money why can't I look as a woman?
Let me explain it to you.
In upper management and top executive positions, women want to be taken seriously for their brains and abilities. I am not talking about looking sexy on dates.
I am talking about being taken seriously on the job. Women have literally been harrassed to death at jobs that men have always held. They get accused of sleeping their way to the top.
It wasn't so long ago that jobs like police officer, firefighter, welder, lawyer, doctor, judge, construction manager, and other such jobs were only held by men.
Help wanted ads in the newspapers could specify "man wanted" or "woman wanted" and the jobs specifying women were maid, waitress, secretary, nurse and teacher.
Women in top executive positions in business know that how they are perceived is influenced by how they dress. How a woman presents herself becomes crucial at some point in getting and staying in an important job.
I was refering to high paying important jobs traditionally done in the past by men.
I see bigger issues in life than looking sexy on dates.
It is not about dressing for me, it is about dressing for each other
bob2013 I see in your profile pictures that you are indeed a very dapper guy who dresses to please the ladies! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 6:47:16 PM | Gee, I guess you can't help but insult me. You really make me laugh. You are truly a bitter person, from what I can tell, well maybe not, I shouldn't judge, I'll leave that to you.
OT: yes top executive positions for women, LOL. I think this topic is fun, especially for me. I promoted several women to top positions. That's right, one woman was the 6th to hold that position at the time. Boy did I take sh1t from the old boys club for doing that. But she deserved it. I worked with her about dress and deportment. I listened to her tears when they abused her, told her it was a tough road to hoe. Later I promoted another, she moved on but always sought my council. Ultimately she appeared on the cover of Life Magazine for a prestigous event in our industries history.
But honey, can I call you honey? You go on and tell me about the women's movement and all you know. As for position, well, it takes more than clothes, it takes understanding, diplomacy and a lot of hard work. Not posturing about skirts and the like.
You have a good night now, Bob | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:04:08 PM | "Boy did I take sh1t from the old boys club for doing that. But she deserved it. I worked with her about dress and deportment. I listened to her tears when they abused her, told her it was a tough road to hoe. Later I promoted another, she moved on but always sought my council. Ultimately she appeared on the cover of Life Magazine for a prestigous event in our industries history."
Sorry but anyone who posts "But honey, can I call you honey?" and expects me to believe the other paragraphy...................I have bridges for you to buy. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:05:10 PM | I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let you forget you are a man. I never had to compromise myself for my job. I may have been referred to as a beitch instead of driven, but I didn't loose myself because of it. Of course I was accused of using the rubber desk mat, but if what other people whisper about you matters more than the truth, how did you make it through your teen years?
I wore feather earrings to work and was still taken seriously because my work spoke for itself. Some of the work I used to prepare was signed by the governor. You can be a woman and work in management.
Even though I was with family in the public, I still dressed nice today. I dress for myself. I like to feel good about me and always enjoy being a bit sexy. If I am on a date and he enjoys how I dress, so much the better! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:21:27 PM | morima, sorry that was tongue in cheek for my dear old friend(if you believe that I will sell you a bridge)!! LOL
You may not be a fan either, your choice, but I am willing to share the aforementioned info, just not on a public thread, since that would be posting private info on someone not involved with POF and I would not do that.
Sorry if you cannot accept my opinion, but you, same as the other poster seem to want to make assumptions, without knowing me or my history. Neither of you know anything about me, my family nor what I have done or do.
But it's all good, I don't sweat the small stuff. Bob
PS monfil, good on you!! Be who you are, that's what it is all about. My daughter had similar issues. She handled it the same way. I taught her to stand on her own two feet and depend on no one man or woman for her bread and butter. She is now CIO for a major corp., and has 150 people working for her. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:28:24 PM | i like the full range, from naked to suit. well, probably in reverse order and over time! jeans for hanging out and the beach or maybe a sundress--well, not the guy in the sundress, even though this is santa cruz, i am talking about what "i" like in a man.
stockings were for back east more. here, it's too hot! just as long as both partners take care of themselves and not start looking like slobs, because they take each other for granted! see a lot of that around.
i'm no longer in the boardroom, but i've done quite a bit of it. wore a suit or a dress, with stockings back east--'cause i wanted to do so. some of my female staff wore slacks. no biggie. just do what you want to do, given the corporate culture you operate within. i certainly didn't loose any contracts over it! nor did my staff who wore the slacks. nor were they unattractive either. what does this have to do with feminism? i guess the guys i dealt with were comfortable enough not to be threatened by female team members. that never even came up! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:33:04 PM | OP:
it occurred to me how much I miss women wearing dresses, stockings, etc. To me that was the real feminine mystique. It also makes me think that our culture was more sexual 40 years ago when women wore these things than it is now. I don't see any specifics about work/casual/dating environment
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Women in top executive positions in business know that how they are perceived is influenced by how they dress. How a woman presents herself becomes crucial at some point in getting and staying in an important job.
I was refering to high paying important jobs traditionally done in the past by men.
I see bigger issues in life than looking sexy on dates. I worked as CFO and all the suits I wore were looking sexy. It doesn' mean too much cleavage or too short skirt, it's appropriate skirt suits very conservative colors. Never too much jewelry or make up, but I did look sexy...so did most women I met in such positions. Yes, it's very competitive, yes, it is mostly men who take these positions. Looking sexy is one of the ways to compete: men very seldom believe that beautiful woman can be smart
I don't think that looking plain and ugly will make you more competitive in men's world. I don't know about police ofiicers and firefighter, but I had friends doctors, lawyers, top managers....all the women who could afford to dress how they wanted - were dressed sexy. It's what makes them special - even when they are busy with family, business/career, social life, they still want to be women...to feel as a woman.
I can't say i didn't see other kind of women: they declare that they are not sexual objects for men, they don't care how they look like, all they care how much money they will get. Maybe they do eat men for breakfast but I never noticed that they are more succesfull in their lives than women who care about their beauty as well as about their money.
After all, we don't have to prove anything to anyone - we all born to be happy. ....and if it makes me feel better to dress as a woman - I'll do it, if it's classy, appropriate and sexy | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 7:53:30 PM | How does me saying how a woman is perceived is influenced by how she is dressed end up being taken as looking plain and ugly, and "the other kind of women: ...they don't care how they look like"?
She handled it the same way. I taught her to stand on her own two feet and depend on no one man or woman for her bread and butter. She is now CIO for a major corp., and has 150 people working for her. Did you teach her to wear skirts dresses and stockings, because to do otherwise shows she is just about "me me me"? Just curious honey do you mind if I call you honey .
Your profile says that you are from NYC and worked on wall street?!!
I would think you would come off as a bit more sophisticated.
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Posted: 4/12/2009 8:48:37 PM | I taught her it was the job you do, the way you present yourself, to always believe not only in yourself, your abilities, your core beliefs, but YOU as a person. She learned to be the person she was, not who people wanted her to be.
Sophisticated, pffft, what does that mean? I've seen and represented people from corporate heads to bean counters to royal families. What does that accomplish, a resume of what? What part of sophiscation do you want to talk about, the Monet exhibit, wines, restaurants, intelligence? Because I prefer women in skirts or dresses means I lack sophistication?
Let me ask you this. You seem to want to make this all about me. How about we discuss you. What top corporate climates are you in, in Boynton Beach?
You have what ever hang ups you have, please don't take them out on me. It is obvious to me you cannot stay on topic without personal attacks or innuendos. If that gets you off, go for it. I am me, I'm happy with myself. You cannot be, simply because all this bothers you so much. If you understood the corporate atmosphere you would understand how a woman is percieved is more about the job she does and not the clothes she wears. No she cannot wear jeans and a tee, in fortune 500 settings, she would know that already, most wear designer attire suited to that environment.
Your petty and contrived insults make you feel superior, great!! Keep going, but answer me this, why is it I haven't sunk to personal attacks on you? Is it because you just observe this world or because you feel lesser in it. Sorry, I'm not going there with you. Bob | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:50:16 PM | I like to see a lady in sweater and jeans, hot day a blouse and shorts, for me its all about dressing for the occasion.
Mind you, a wedding, Romantic dinner or something like that? Takes the breath away seeing them all done up. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:56:07 PM | I agree dress appropriately for the occasion... but invite me to occasions that I can dress up in....
I love to dress up in order to turn eyes.. wearing a dress with the right hosery that reveals itself only with a twirl on the dance floor.. just a peek... it's just fun... what can I say...
Who says sweats these days.... when we now have yoga pants?
For the job it depends on the job and the enviroment. A woman won't make it if she exhibits her sexuality in some circles. Nor will she be taken seriously. Are you kidding here on the site the men complain that women shouldn't have cleavage in the profile if they don't want to be treated shabbily...
But out in the right enviroment???? I'm still a woman.... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2009 12:22:17 AM | some women have got style and flare about them that will never grow old or be out dated.
It a form of tastefulness ~ and elegance.
Dance | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 8:31:42 PM | I agree with you RDtoo...I love to wear dresses, with heels, I think it looks very sexy....very feminine, I will tell ya tho...those blasted thigh hi stockings..I hate those "mothers" with a passion...hard to keep up and just a pain in the bum !!!  | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 11:08:12 PM |
I don't think that looking plain and ugly will make you more competitive in men's world. I don't know about police ofiicers and firefighter, but I had friends doctors, lawyers, top managers....all the women who could afford to dress how they wanted - were dressed sexy. ...
I can't say i didn't see other kind of women: they declare that they are not sexual objects for men, they don't care how they look like, all they care how much money they will get.
My experience is as a law professor, Big Accounting consultant, legal consultant to state senators, and senior manager at a Fortune 10's engineering group. The executive and professional world I move in is not so black and white - the women are not dressed to only the extremes you note: sexy or totally disregard their appearance. The world I move in the women are in the middle somewhere. My suits, blouses, jewelry, shoes, and hose were tasteful, feminine, conservative but definitely not sexy.
men very seldom believe that beautiful woman can be smart
Only the not very bright men. I gained my positions by being very smart. I certainly would not, could not, hide that by wearing sexy clothing. I'm effective in my career because men (my teams, now, are about 90% male engineers) respect my experience and intelligence. I reinforce that by playing to their image of a leader. I would never jeopardize that just so I could wear a tighter skirt, thinner heels, or silkier blouse at work. I keep the sexy outer wear special by wearing it outside work. What I wear under my work clothes is a different story ;-) | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 11:35:41 PM | Yes the garter, stockings, heels, dress etc. are all a great turn on for us men and I think it gives most women a feeling of being special, sexy, etc. But I also think that everything has its place. I would hate to be on a date with a woman who felt uncomfotable with what she was wearing or was only doing it to show off because lets face it if you do start a relationship and shes not enjoying what shes doing, it will stop at some point.
I like a woman to be a woman and that means not pressuring her to be something shes not. I recall one lady who tried to impress me with the stocking thing and the sex was down right lousy for us both, but give her a silky night shirt and it was fireworks every time. Wow do I miss her. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 8:25:26 AM | When I was younger... in my early twenties ...not that long ago of course ~she says grinning~ I always favoured stockings over tights and on average probably wore dresses more than jeans... then came the hold-ups  what a liberation ... comfort and still feeling sexy. Now I still love stockings, especially the fully fashioned traditional ones though usually keep them for the bedroom as they make me feel soo sexy and knowing they turn on the man I am with absolutely does it for me every time. I love turning up for dates in a dress and and heels and wouldn't dream of turning out any other way (even go shopping in them) I always feel good, I always feel very confident, I always feel feminine, I always feel sexy and I haven't failed to bring a smile to the face of whoever I have met and turned the heads of a few others. There is always a compliment given and that is always followed by a text saying the same thing and that usually refers to how classy or elegant and sexy I looked. I am sure I look good in jeans but I just wouldn't feel as good.
I would say that I am very much me me me in a whole different way to the womens movement  | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 1:56:05 PM | Well, I got my first pair of jeans when I turned 15, much to my Father's anger. They were my first store bought clothes (besides socks and undies). Until that time I wore only skirts and hose or little girl socks. We moved to Ohio from our little southern town in Tennessee and I attended a religious school..so back to skirts and hose and high heels every day. Ive always been accustomed to them and actually prefer them or something classic along the "slacks and pearls" kinda thing.
But often Ive been told I dress too "churchy" or need to dress down. I dont understand this since Id never wear those things to a baseball game, etc but dress to what I think is appropriate for the outing.
Now, living in Florida, I often wear summer dresses without the hose and sandals with capris. Its the "norm" for here. But I feel as feminine in the pants as I do the skirts. The one look I wont wear?...is cut too short or too low. To me, that's just trashy.
My mother made my clothes and taught me that a woman wasnt ready for marriage until she could cook, clean, sew, etc.. I suppose Im a lost breed. lol But those things were important to her and well, theyve stuck with me all these years..I dont think these things make me more feminine than the next girl...a girl is a girl...right? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2009 5:21:05 AM | | Women can find the same thing - my ex significant other thought buying himself new clothing a sign of weakness and profligacy and loved nothing better than finding cast-off clothing and wearing it for years, despite his extreme financial comfort.... A major progress was moving to new underpants with no holes... also usually a good indicator of his current fidelity level ... His idea of evening wear was the same as he wore during the day and a shirt aged under 10 years old.... his sister, ex wife or myself bought most of his more acceptable clothing as presents. A fortnight away in Morocco brought a once-off flurry of intense spending - £50 on 4 teeshirts, 2 pairs of shorts and some swim gear.... socks were occasionally bought at car boot sales at the price of 6 pairs for £1.... After several years of dressing myself like a traffic warden (apologies to traffic wardens but you know what I mean) and stomping over hills to keep him company in his "good value" pursuits, on being asked what I'd like to do one night I said "something that doesn't involve wearing reinforced boots" :-) LOL (P.S. we've been apart 18 months and he's still wearing the same stuff, bless him.....) Strangely, I'm experiencing an upsurge in make-up wearing, pencil skirts and frilly things LOL xx | |
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