| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 9/1/2006 8:04:53 PM | | No you are just one of a dying breed. Men today are basically to into their selves to think of consideration | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 9/1/2006 8:37:42 PM | | Absolutely not a hinderence. Most women that I have spoken to will tell me the date was a hit if the guy opened the door, poured the wine, pulled out her chair amongst other things. They will also comment on the grace at which it was done. Women loved to feel special. Even if the gentleman that they are dating doesn't become someone they want to spend quality time with. If it makes you feel like a genuine man by treating a lady with respect and dignity by all means continue. And believe me when you make a girl feel like she is your queen, she may end up making you feel like you are her "king".... j... | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 9/2/2006 1:03:31 AM | chivalry is a MUST if you want to spend time with me. There is nothing as wonderful as a refined, polite, gentleman!  to you! | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 11/15/2006 10:08:45 PM | I know this is coming way after the fact but after reading some of these guys comments, I can only be reminded of how rare and unmatched I AM...First of all, where did some of these idiot f*****n' guys crawl out from under...like Iron Wolf for example...what the f**k is he all about?
Let me clear up the Chivalry "thing" Ladies and Gentlemen.
Chivalry is a "consciousness & a way of Life driven by conviction, reverence and dedication...and NOT a series of "actions" to please or displease ANY f****n' body...Kapishe?
And I'm just so sorry for you Johnny come lately 21st century hip-hop, generation Xr's who have had everything spooned into their **** little laps because Chivalry is a matter of breeding and not something that can be taught...just like tennis, golf or Guitar lessons...NO ONE can teach someone HOW to play a guitar, rather an effective "teacher" is more a guide to help a pupil that has already endowed within them that BURNING DESIRE to accomplish ALL that they can accomplish...Chivalry can however be LEARNED, but it's like Martial Arts in our modern culture...lots of talkers, and not a lot of doers because it takes commitment on a long term basis~a commodity ...a kid sees Go-Go Power Rangers(Potty Trainers...) and they are suddenly a ninja and they're gonna' kick all the kids asses at school...NOTTTT...
Chivalry is a matter of character...of doing ones' best...of a stately nature...having courage and honor and the PROTECTION thing is NOT meant to make modern day women self conscious about their inferiorities...quite the contrary...and for you women who think a guy is belittling you or placing you in the subservient position by opening your car door or allowing you to go first...really need to get their heads out of their royal little asses because that type of behavior Ladies is an existential reflection of your OWN feelings of inadequacy or weakness that were planted there many moons ago...My actions do NOT in anyway reflect your inner feelings, is that simple enough? Even kindergarteners are taught to take responsibility for their own feelings and behavior, come on here.
Chivalry is also about EMINENCE...as in an obvious reflection of a Mans' intent to conduct himself with a certain level of excellence or prominence which is usually reflected in his achievements or his high ranking...
And finally and most importantly is Chivalry is about being NOBLE...by presenting oneself in a grandiose manner...possessing high moral fiber irregardless of whether
a single Soul is watching or not... | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 11/16/2006 10:26:19 AM | | I was raised to open doors for women, let them enter the room first, walk behind going up-stairs and walk first going down, carry the heavy items and hold the door for anyone behind you and so on and today I see so many guys that don't do any of that and it really pisses me off that they are so self consumed. What really gets me though is a while back while starting to enter a store I held the door for this woman and she yelled at me! She told me she was perfectly capable of getting the door and didn't need a man to do it for her. I was so shocked I couldn't speak. What ever happened to good maners? I hold the door for anyone behind me, not just women and half the time they never say 'thank you', they just walk in. My respone is always a hearty "you're welcome" which usually gets a dirty look. | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 11/16/2006 10:43:57 AM | One has to understand what is meant by old fashoned chivalry. This type of behavior was a way of separating the genders and recognizing that each is different. These are some of the behaviors that men of my age were taught as children. (1) Sexual remarks, as well as swearing, was not publicly used in mixed groups. (2) Men were to open doors, allowing a woman to walk through a door first. This included one's daily life i.e. entering a bank etc. (3) A male did not talk aggressively towards a lady . (4) Physical aggression was not allowed. If one was physically aggressive towards a lady, he was considered a sissy. (5) A male phones a lady for a date. Usually this was done on Wednesday evening. The lady never phoned until they were a couple.(6) The male always pays. (7) Because the pill was new, sex was not recreational. (8) When a women left a table or returned to a table, when dining out, all males present were expected to rise.
Women, for there part, recognized these as expected behaviors and would evaluate the male accordingly.
Also, when in school, All children were expected to stand when addressing a teacher.
Women need to explain how they want to be treated. Civilaty between people was the expected norm. Chilvalry between the sexes was something different. | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 11/16/2006 11:20:32 AM |
Men today are basically to into their selves to think of consideration
It's just not strongly encouraged anymore and discouraged in some areas.
Idealy, yes we would live in a world where men are always gentlemen and women are always ladies and those roles were a little better defined.
Find a way to make chivalry seem like a wiser, better, and more profitable course of action. Start simple, start with people you know.
I think there is some confusion too as was stated earlier. When I walk into a church, someone's home or most places, I take off my hat out of respect...thats not chivalry.
The gen X'ers and those after them that some of the older folks are griping about grew up in a "smack my b!tch up" world. Last I checked I'm not seeing June Cleaver shaking her booty and apron on MtV.
With that...we do live in a more modern time, so women don't hesitate to let a man know when he did something you appreciate. It doesn't have to be someone you're romantically interested in. Just encourage the behavior when you see it. | |
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| Is chivalry dead and gone?
Posted: 11/18/2006 12:25:56 PM | Hi--- I lived in a time when this question was never even thought about. It was a time when certain behaviors such as opening doors was expected and the norm. Today life is different. Women have moved into a male world. They have and expect the same rights as a male. The male, for his part, has lost his identity. There are very few opportunities of expression that can be identified as only masculine.
The media has also contributed to this problem. Both men and women are aggressive to both their own sex and the oppostie.
Aggression appears to be a sign of strength. It is interesting that in a culture such as Nepal, there is little social aggression. Basic survival is so difficult. Carrying 200 pounds of rice into the mountains leaves little need to prove oneself (unlike here)
Money seems to be a major problem. I understand the cause but don't understand the logic in some females. In this culture both men and women have the same educational and employment opportunites (50% 0f engineering student at Queens are women) Yet I hear that some women feel that a male should pay because he earns more.
Chilvalry existed when there was a feeling that the sexes were different. At that time the socal expectations were different. If males should show chivalry, then what behavior mark a women as feminine. To me it appears, that in today's world, the only female social identification is sex. | |
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