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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:29:18 PM | Well I refer to myself as Scottish as that's the country I was born and brought up in, just as I class people from England- English, Wales- Welsh, Ireland- Irish.
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 1:04:02 PM | When you're on vacation and you meet foreign nationals do you say that you're British or do you get more specific?
The reason I ask is because from personal experience I have noticed that the Scots and Irish tend to say that they are Scottish or Irish rather than saying that they are British. English people (in my experience) tend to say that they are British.
On the flip side: I remember David Wilkie (when winning his gold medals at the Olympics) being described by the (English) BBC commentator as "This Great British Swimmer", however, four years later the same commentator described him (when finishing last) as "A tragedy for the Scottish swimmer! How cute is that?
Was this OP written just after David Wilkie came last?
When im asked if im from Newcastle or Sunderland i seem to react with indignation every time!
But that is stupid on reflection.
When i was in my own neck of the woods i was able to boil down where someone was from to the particular area in about a 8 mile radius or so.
How tribal was that?
There is a downside to thinking so insular.
Multi culturalism i believe is,for those who want to live with the times, great widening our minds on issues of area,region,county and country we are from.
But i wouldnt want to be Icelandic in bond street at this moment in time!
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 2:37:56 PM | Came in late...
The OP, it is simply not true in my experience that English say they are British...Having been asked overseas for my "English passport" and "English Driving licence" by English people working overseas....
Have had various English people here in the UK do the same, as well as calling the British Army the "English Army"....
Jeez, wakling onto a plane bound for Canada, two Canadians talking about "these English airports are diferent from our Canadian ones"...And we where leaving from Glasgow!!
And btw...Scots is a language, it developed alongside English...Another thing the English have stolen....
In Scots you will find many words which are not in the English vocabulary....
http://www.scotslanguage.com/ | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:34:49 PM | Samuel Johnson said something about being born an Englishman gives one the winning prize in the lottery of life.
That's good enough for me......
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:42:18 PM | hahahaha...apparently Johnson had Tourette's syndrome.
Personally I think we should all distinguish ourselves by making the distinction that we are indeed Irish, English, Scots or Welsh - it's easier to stereotype that way when it comes to slagging. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:44:08 PM | There's gaelic in its many dialects and there's Weegie.
I was in a factory in Corby - where the Weegie flows - it also has a substantial Polish population.
Weegie woman to Polish girl: "Och Magda hen, some Polish people, well dinnae make any effort tae learn English. But youse just listen tae Sheena an' me an ye'll soon ken English proper enough pet." | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 3:05:47 AM | I am English first and English only. I am NOT British. I was born in England, to English parents, so why would i be anything else but English.
It seems as daft as someone asking what town you live in and repling with the county that town is in. If you live in Southampton, you say you live in southampton not I live in Hampshire.
To me British is a PC term that means nothing. In my mind British seems to be a term for someone who lives in this country but was not born here. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 3:30:33 AM | Sorry, but that kind of attitude is what is wrong with you English, your so bloody arrogant!...
So I ask you, what is on your driving licence?...what is on your passport?...BRITISH CITIZEN my dear English chappie...This united kingdom is falling apart (devolution) because of people like you throughout our union with that kind of arrogant and self centred attitude...
And btw, she's not the Queen of England, check it out for yourself...And she's not QE the 2nd as there never was a first queen of the United Kingom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.... | |
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Posted: 10/11/2008 4:11:15 AM | | Message 289, I have to step in here and comment on your 'so bloody arrogant' comment regarding the English. Bit of a mass generalisation don't you think? Being Scottish and living in England I can honestly tell you that I know Scots too who hold this attitude. The I am Scottish not British group are just as bad as the I am English not British ones. You are only flaming the hatred and hostility that some hold between our countries with comments like that. Think before you type would be my advice. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 4:14:34 AM | | "The reason I ask is because from personal experience I have noticed that the Scots and Irish tend to say that they are Scottish or Irish rather than saying that they are British. English people (in my experience) tend to say that they are British." I will answer this from an Irish perspective as I cannot speak for any scots man or woman. You will find that 100% of Irish people will tell you that they are Irish and wont say British as THEY ARE NOT!! Britain consists of England, scotland, wales & Northern Ireland ( for now ) Ireland being a totally seperate country does not fall within this category and that is why an Irish person when asked will say he/she is Irish. Just like a German will say he/she is German when asked. Hope I have clarrified this for you. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 4:57:53 AM | Oooh someone resurrecting a controversial thread, i like it.
I think I have posted on here already but cant be bothered to read the whole 12 pages to find out.
I am Scottish and proud of it. Just like most english and welsh and Irish are proud of their culture. Like Wales, Scotland has its own language though I dont know anyone who speaks it 
I think the days of GREAT Britain are long gone as there is not a log great about it these days in fact you are struggling to find any natives in this Great Britain of ours. Most of the inhabitants are born elsewhere and have moved here for some reason or another.
Krusty I dont know where you live but I know for a fact that a good percentage of the people living in my town at the moment arent native scots, they are polish, turkish, ukranian etc who werent born scottish. That was my point. I know the same applies to all over the UK. Oh and i love you dearly too lol ;-) | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 5:19:27 AM |
I think the days of GREAT Britain are long gone as there is not a log great about it these days in fact you are struggling to find any natives in this Great Britain of ours. Most of the inhabitants are born elsewhere and have moved here for some reason or another.
kissey I love you dearly  but that bit about most of the inhabitants are born elsewhere and have moved here is shite! lol Have to agree that there isnt much Great about Great Britain anymore. Saddly the things that did make us great are gone  | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 5:22:54 AM | Message 290, I live in England, a part that is pretty much southern, and am exposed to English people quite a lot and am familiar with the attitude and perceptions of the English, most of it through ignorance, but some certainly arrogant...And quite a lot of English I am exposed to don't actually suffer from both...
There are also a lot of Scottish folk with a similar attitude (and I've had many an argument), though gained through the knowledge of a few hundred years of suppression and exploitation (which in a few cases is still going on- revenue from wiskey and oil), I do remember having my language violently suppressed in school...Oh, and when one walks into an English shop with Scotttish money and get refused because they look at it as if it's monopoly money, I think you'll agree, it is rather annoying to say the least, and insulting to expand on...
I do laugh though, most of the English down here in London area came from families overseas, a lot at the turn of the 20th C from Eastern Europe, and it's funny when ye hear them "Blaady eastern Euwopeans, takin aar jobs, oim Engwish froo and froo" etc...lol...
Can't comment on the Welsh or Irish, but our hatred is aimed at the powers that be and not neccessarily persons (though there are some exceptions)....Like I say, and I'll repeat, it's not an "English passport or an English driving licence" but BRITISH...
When I hear English people say that ("English passport or an English driving licence"), I cringe....And you defintaely don't hear Scots people say that, I guess therin lies a diference...
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 5:42:57 AM | Message 295 the English people you are mixing with are obvious lacking in several brain cells if they refer to a passport as an English one or a driving licence too....Have NEVER heard anyone refer to it as such.
Can't comment on the Welsh or Irish, but our hatred is aimed at the powers that be and not neccessarily persons (though there are some exceptions)....
Yet you say.....
and am exposed to English people quite a lot and am familiar with the attitude and perceptions of the English, most of it through ignorance, but some certainly arrogant...And quite a lot of English I am exposed to don't actually suffer from both...
I hope when you say 'our hatred' you are not speaking for all Scots? If so kindly do not do so. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 6:28:21 AM | | hear hear krusty!!! i do not hate english ppl in any way at all IMO there is not a lot of difference between us apart from accents,in the same way accents vary from city to city in all areas of the uk.Its often said that some of the more southern english are arrogant but to me you get a certain amount of arrogant ppl of all nationalities wether it be english,scots ,german or american or whatever.There is absolutely nothing wrong in being passionate about the country of your birth as long as it doesnt harbour a resentment of others who are different | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 6:40:09 AM | Hey OP..in your original question did you mean NORTHERN IRISH? You'll bring the wrath of the Paddies and Micks down on ya for lumping Irish in as British.
I'm Irish. I have been mistaken in foreign lands for being British, basically cos I spoke English. I corrected them straight away. Now I tend to speak Gaelic quite loudly when I'm abroad so that doesn't happen again.
Not that I have anything against the Brits. I love ye. Lived there for a few years and loved it and still miss it. It's just that I'm Irish. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2008 7:57:12 AM | | Thandor always say Thandor Scottish never British for obvious reasons !! Thandor was nearly in a fight in Calley when a French guy told Thandor that being English /Scottish was the same thing .Thandor has been called English in the Himalayas and he bit his lip and said yes Thandor is English , Thandor then committed hary kary . | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/11/2008 9:11:32 AM | Krusty
I suppose by your judgement people with University degrees are stupid (and in one case she has two) but "there ye go", I would not actually assume peoples ignorance or arrogance as being stupid, I would never assume that at all....
Hatred?...I guess I should clarify here..Is it not true that christians are taught to hate the devil?...Though they are, they don't really have hate...Same thing when I drop something, I might exclaim "I hate when I do that" etc...etc...etc...
btw, I think you know exactly what I am writing about, yet choose to argue, your choice...I do not lie, though you imply I have....
You may not have seen or been exposed to people from England who use these terms, or may indeed have not noticed, be that as it may, I have, and on many many occasions both here in England and overseas.... Infact, one person I have dated from this very website...And I'll quote: "The customs person had a problem with my XXX passport, until I pulled out my English passport"... | |
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