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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:11:05 AM | | i am english ans to be brutally honest i am not as proud as many english make out it is no secret we are hated all over i think that is because we give the impression that if you aint english (not british) you are our enemy it is rediculous i have frineds that are scottish i have relatives that are irish and i have work colleagues and friends that are welsh it is fine to consider yourself eng,ire,scot or welsh but at the end of the day we are all british i personally think regarding pride there is no nation more proud than the scots and the irish and they show that by the way they stand up for themselves we english dont we get shoved around and just go with the flow we are weak never stand up for ourselves and i think in some cases yes we are arrogant we are better than the scots irish and welsh in fact we are better than the whole world along with the yankie wankers that our government allows to dictate when our boys give their lives in foreign lands as i stated before weak and me personally i would be much happier if i was scot or irish cos at least then i could say I AM PROUD | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:23:32 AM | re: post 301 .
with regards to hatred between scots and english i visited a frined in scotland not so long ago and i had this in mind when we went to the local pub i had one guy in particular looking at me for most of the night and that is all that was going through my mind englishman in scotish pub with guy staring at me big trouble then after a while he came over and asked me if i was looking after my friend then with a smile went outside for smoke on returning to the pub he started chatting to us and was unbelievably friendly as were all the other people in the said pub they were asking when i was going to go back and hoped it would be very soon i have never met such frinedly people as the scots very welcoming very frinedly chatty smiley i could go on i think had i been a scot in an english pub i may not have got out of the pub by myself more like with an escort of paramedics . | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:40:05 AM |
Iv'e tried, but yer no listenning....I don't actually beleive all Scots actually physically meaninfully hate English people, if you think I beleive that,your...Aw what is the point.....~Sigh~....
I must admit that for a Jock you're actually talking some sense.
I've always viewed the relationship between the English and Scots as being somewhat similar to a kind of sibbling rivalry. Whilst there's always a fair amount of leg pulling and mickey taking between them deep down there does seem to be an understanding which means that fundamentally they get on like a house on fire.
It's the Welsh that I can never figure out. They just seem odd. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:56:54 AM |
had i been a scot in an english pub i may not have got out of the pub by myself more like with an escort of paramedics .
Seriously? Thats quite some claim. I would never say that a scenario like this has never happened before and i only offer up my own experience as to why i really cant see this as a prime example of the English people's culture.
The pubs i go in (which are more the spit and sawdust types) have a very healthy mix of English, Irish, Welsh and Scots, maybe that's because we're the home of the Royal Navy, thousands of people have migrated here, and plenty have settled....Heck, we even have Scousers come in the pub, we really are THAT accommodating! Fights last year in the Jolly taxpayer over National pride........zero, the same result that occured in dozens of pubs i frequent up and down the City.
I wonder if krustyone took the step of informing dibble that she was planning on going out in Gosport on Saturday night and as someone of Scottish blood can she have a police guard with full paramedic backup in case someone detects her accent.
Extremism exists everywhere, whatever debate you have there will be extremists, these are by far in the minority.
When i visited Wales as a young child and visited the local newsagents with my Father in order to buy some local delicacies only to discover that because we were English, we arent going to be either spoken to or served, did that lead me to hate everything Welsh? Did the Father of the Welsh lady i went to see once upon a time (who refused to even meet me because i was English) infuse in me that all Welsh people are incredibly narrow minded and dense.......No?
Did the Scottish fella who launched his fist towards my face in a pub just outside Glasgow act as a representative of his nation, i very much doubt it. Much as he thought he was striking a blow against his oppressors, he was about 250 years too late.
There certainly are boorish morons, and they aint always English. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 5:06:42 AM | Lots of generalisations flying around in this thread.
I've met some fantastic people and not just from this site, english, irish, scottish and welsh.
Ive met some ar.seholes as well... english, irish, scottish and welsh.
Being ignorant, stupid, aggressive etc etc isn't the right of one nation, we all manage it at one time or another, and in this thread some seem to manage it most of the time.
I agree with Krusty ive never heard a passport referred to as an English passport, just a British one.
Jumpwings please stop making huge generalisations and then whining when people do it back to you, you do that a lot on this forum. Comments like this
Ok dear, I can just imagine it" ahh wiz argooin wi this scoatz guy (huge gulp), he wiz sayin aw English are arrigint (another gulp), but ahh goat him telt, so ahh did (hic)..AAAAH GOAT HIM TELT"...Pfffttt....Yeah rite...
will not help you be taken seriously.
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 5:09:29 AM | | Depends where you go I suppose. In Glasgow itself I was always welcomed wherever I went. In Renfrew (just outside Glasgow) I was generally hated by the Neds and ended up getting a major kicking from them, but was generally welcomed by most. In Cardiff I don't think I stood out as the majority don't really have an accent around the city. In Dublin I never found any hostility anywhere in the city, even going to the outer parts that aren't tourist oriented. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:05:18 AM | I am Welsh born and very proud to be so.
Come the 6 nations I loose my voice cheering the boyo's on.
But I loved my time I spent in Scotland and Ireland and for the most part found the natives very friendly. North welsh can be anti English but during the rugby EVERYONE is.
Since I have moved north, I have found people to be especially friendly verging on down right nosey.
If asked I say welsh then european.
Never british or Church of England, heaven forbid! I don't consider the mysoginist Henry 8th who founded the church of england to be a good religious role model. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:14:10 AM |
i been a scot in an english pub i may not have got out of the pub by myself more like with an escort of paramedics .
Every English pub has to have at least one Scots regular. They also have to have an old couple who just sit there with two halfs of mild in front of them without saying a word to each other all evening.
I think they are conditions for the landlord being granted a license. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 11:36:36 AM | | I used to say British or UK till i moved to Wales now im ENGLISH and proud of it. In fact for the first time in my life i understand how black and Asian people felt when they first came to the UK, racisim is just disgusting, the lowest of the low, were all human ffs it shouldnt matter where were born, our culture, faith, race etc. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 12:09:17 PM | "Jumpwings please stop making huge generalisations and then whining when people do it back to you, you do that a lot on this forum. Comments like this
Ok dear, I can just imagine it" ahh wiz argooin wi this scoatz guy (huge gulp), he wiz sayin aw English are arrigint (another gulp), but ahh goat him telt, so ahh did (hic)..AAAAH GOAT HIM TELT"...Pfffttt....Yeah rite...
will not help you be taken seriously."
And how is that middle part a general sweeping generalisation, or as you later call it a comment?...Actually it is a dialogue of an imaginary situation and I am intrigued as to why you have thought it pertinent to the topic at hand?...
Taken seriousely?...I'm having a laugh....
btw, I see you've made a few sweeping generalisations in your post yourself...And the accusation of whining does you no favours in serious debate, or do you mean wining...
I can just see it...
"He made an arse oh me, so he did...Ahhm aw upset so amurr"...
"Aye dinnae wurry pet, ahh'll sort him oot"...
It's amazing (but not clever) how someone and another have managed to snipe in personal comments on two diferent threads whilst remaining on the topic, or part of the post does anyway...
And the one, "for a jock", English pubs also have to have their chirpie cheerie chappie cokney sitting at the end of the bar drunkenly chirping and cherrie-ing at 3 in the afternoon....
I've never met as many tight fisted people as these Southend on sea punters...But then as a sweeping generalisation, there are tight fisted gits in every city....
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:17:50 PM | Not taking sides or anything but you are making sweeping generalisations and then insulting both females with your remarks like this one::::::::::
I can just see it...
"He made an arse oh me, so he did...Ahhm aw upset so amurr"...
"Aye dinnae wurry pet, ahh'll sort him oot"...
And you expect them not to bite back and stick to the topic? you might like to try that yourself sir. Lets get back on topic.
I'm very proud to be English and British :) my mum is Spanish but I was born here, im also proud of my spanish blood.
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Miss Grundy i'd rather you didn't respond to me, its always negative and attacking. But if you really want an answer he's taking the piss somewhat obviously, surprised someone of your supposed intelligence can't see it, or is it rather you don't want to see it as it means you then can't pick apart my post? Please stick to the topic. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:35:36 PM | ^^^^ oooh I say - It's BG to the rescue again !!
But seriously how is what you quoted insulting ?
Never british or Church of England, heaven forbid! I don't consider the mysoginist Henry 8th who founded the church of england to be a good religious role model. - I must be missing something in the translation
But with your well advertised relationship history how could you not admire Henry VIII ? | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:53:52 PM | Oh i say its Miss Grundy being a **** to BG again, what a surprise (cue eye rolling to the extreme)I dont need anyone to rescue me thanks sweetheart im more than capable of putting my own thoughts down as im sure youre aware. Jumpwings seems to like to make huge generalisations, im just pointing that out much like you think youre pointing something out with BG
only youre not
i do agree with BG we should stick to the topic, not sure you can. | |
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| One good thing about NOT being English
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:00:13 PM | One good thing about not being English is that we don't have your dire national anthem. The one that used to be forced upon us as both the English national anthem AND the British one - but you now seem to be distancing yourselves from.
And who actually decided it was the British national anthem?
(A) It's such a dire dirge the Welsh would disown it for the tune alone - which incidentally wasn't original - it used to be 'The Kaiser hymn' in Germany.
(B) One of the verses is about Marshall Wade sorting out the Scots - so they'd hardly choose that would they? | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:00:55 PM | Ladies ladies...some of these weeks it will be pistols at dawn for you two.
Anyhow back on topic; I suppose I'm very lucky cause if I'm in a foreign country which is hostile towards the British, I say I'm Irish...sometimes it's beneficial to claim Britishness. That's about the only advantage in living here; I can claim dual nationality.
EDITvvvvv Sweetie it states on my profile where I'm from! Maybe you've never heard of Northern Ireland before. :) | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:04:11 PM | Ladies ladies...some of these weeks it will be pistols at dawn for you two
Which two? ;0) My aim is exellent by the way lol.
I love the national anthem A.Cornucopia it's really stirring and emotional I think. I love last night of the proms as well, very British? or should that be English?
Si-denada where are you in the world? | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:15:28 PM | Is there a reason to protest about a person from a none British country to state that they are British when they are there own families first British generation born here?
It seems to me that everyone needs an identity and a place to hang there mast.
But we are all less than a dot on a dot on a dot.
Any other view is not really worth getting involved with for me!
As a side,ive just speed flipped though this thread back to page 6.
not one obviously ethnic looking person has posted.
Why is that?
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:15:45 PM |
Oh i say its Miss Grundy being a **** to BG again, what a surprise (cue eye rolling to the extreme)I dont need anyone to rescue me thanks sweetheart im more than capable of putting my own thoughts down as im sure youre aware. Jumpwings seems to like to make huge generalisations, im just pointing that out much like you think youre pointing something out with BG
only youre not
a **** ? What's one of them then...can't you even hint by adding a letter or two - do the four stars stand for cvnt or tw@t ?
I'm afraid it is BG and you who are the type who like to follow other posters around passing assessment on their personalities instead of replying to their posts...it's a joke and it makes me laugh how you both rarely post unless it is to remonstrate someone or advertise your 'qualities' - a mate of mine calls your type the transient posters who are nothing but self-important dragons with little of interest to write except for their opinion of someone else and you are almost always off topic just like now.
i do agree with BG we should stick to the topic, not sure you can.
Hmmmmm....really ?
ON TOPIC : Spike Milligan was a great nationalist.
I think it would be nice for the Welsh, Scots and English to have their own seperate passports - the Scots one with a thistle hiding all it's money for it's emblem, the Welsh one with a Leek and a sheep eating it, the English one with a Bulldog wearing a crown.
You should be proud of your different national identities.
I remember my cousin who was born in Ireland applying for a British passport specifically so he could travel to the States and work there without needing to apply for a work visa- the reason (so he claimed) that he was entitled to a British passport is because his father was born when the English were still in power here which meant that he was the son of a British citizen - he so easily could have been spoofing me though.
<div class='quote'>Dont fret BG^^^^^ Miss G has to routinely change her name on here as I think she is often asked to leave maybe!!
Oh really ?
Hahaha
Ignore her and she will eventually ignore you, she is smallfry.
Don't worry ILOVEJELLY, if you write another incredibly outrageous post which I vehemently disagree with on a subject I care about, I shall respond to let you know what I think.
edit: Thank you Jelly x :) shes always following me to attack me.
Stop lying...for god sakes...anybody can study my posts and yours and see the truth quite easily.
and I did not attack you at all in my post when I wrote :
^^^^ oooh I say - It's BG to the rescue again !!
But seriously how is what you quoted insulting ?
How is that an attack ?????? | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:18:26 PM | Im sorry this is on topic how?
I'm afraid it is BG and you who are the type who like to follow other posters around passing assessment on their personalities instead of replying to their posts...it's a joke and it makes me laugh how you both rarely post unless it is to remonstrate someone or advertise your 'qualities' - a mate of mine calls your type the transient posters who are nothing but self-important dragons with little of interest to write except for their opinion of someone else and you are almost always off topic just like now.
I post roughly once a week in the forums on various matters. I didnt't realise I needed your approval to do so I can't speak for curvy as shes already told you she can do that for herself but i find it amusing you seek both of us out to do excately what you are accusing us both of doing.
edit: Thank you Jelly x :) shes always following me to attack me. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:20:40 PM | Dont fret BG^^^^^ Miss G has to routinely change her name on here as I think she is often asked to leave maybe!!
Ignore her and she will eventually ignore you, she is smallfry. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:28:33 PM | Wot is wrong wi you people?
msg325...
two things...
I'm sure I never said that was two females chatting there...
And also....
What part of that dialogue is insulting females...?
Now, ye see?...this is what is seems to be the problem....Falling into a steriotypical atrribute there....Wether English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British...
There's a lot of females who are continuousely insulting males in this forum, will you also be unbiased and champion their cause also?
"I'm afraid it is BG and you who are the type who like to follow other posters around passing assessment on their personalities instead of replying to their posts...it's a joke and it makes me laugh how you both rarely post unless it is to remonstrate someone or advertise your 'qualities' - a mate of mine calls your type the transient posters who are nothing but self-important dragons with little of interest to write except for their opinion of someone else and you are almost always off topic just like now."
Kin Brilliant, magic, took the words right out my gobby gob...Oh, it's only females who are allowed to be gobby...
Ye know....I find it interesting that it's a certain select few females who are throwing the dummy out the pram, and it all started with a response to my own post in which I responded to about a (seemingly) arrogant and pedantically erroneous post, oh well, it then fell into the victimisation of females yet again...The usual; ploy of group of pesons who simply can't defend their stance...
English, Scottish, British, European...I am just proud to be myself....But I do have a British passport.... | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:29:27 PM | I was going to say who gives a S**T anyway...obviously lots of you do....as for myself I,m a British citizen and I live in England did my time in Her Majesty,s Royal Air Force (served alongside an array of Scottish Welsh & Northern Irish folk..even had a Canadian in our section!)...Jumpwings..you,ll always be a Scotsman & proud wether you live in England Scotland Ireland Wales or Timbuc-bloody-too wether you or any-one else refers to themselves by Nationality or U.K or British Citizen is simply a matter of personal choice..BTW...Dad was Merchant Navy 2 Uncles Royal Navy..Brother British Army 2Cousins(both irish on their Dads side) British Army (in fact 1 of them was involved in Sunday Bloody Sunday..left the Army not long after and became a Franciscan Brother yeah a Monk!..Brits shooting Brits as he so succinctly put it fecked his head up good style)..point here being never & in my time in H.M.R.A.F have I heard anyone serving or ex Forces use the term English as descriptive for H.M Forces..H.M or British never English...and don,t forget our Sovereign Majesty is actually of German descent & hubby Prince Phillip Greek descent!! ya think they,re worried?? let,s all just chillll.. | |
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| English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:38:24 PM | You should be proud of your different national identities.
You should be proud of how you where brought up by your peers but just thankfull that you were not brought up in a very different environment,be it anywhere third world on this planet or just with terrible parents!
Dont fret BG^^^^^ Miss G has to routinely change her name on here as I think she is often asked to leave maybe!!
Ignore her and she will eventually ignore you, she is smallfry.
Not allways can anyones opinion be agreed with,but everyone has the ability to state there point of view.
The ability to contibute effectively to a debate,and cause on topic responses is an art.It is an admirable quality reguardless of strong dissagreements.
The reference to the ability to change your name suggests that your either new to the site or your just ignorant to the moderators capabilities of recognising a face! | |
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| lmao
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:57:32 PM | jesus ,i have irish,scottish,english and spanish blood can someone please tell me what i am then.what a load of pollocks lol.
I was born in england which to me means im english. it all boils down to race and religion again,it makesyou feel like an olive short of a pizza | |
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| One good thing about NOT being English
Posted: 10/14/2008 2:29:51 AM |
some of these weeks it will be pistols at dawn for you two.
Oil wrestling, please!
One good thing about not being English is that we don't have your dire national anthem. The one that used to be forced upon us as both the English national anthem AND the British one
Wasn't GSTQ the British national anthem first? It's more than 300 years since England was a country in its own right, and I can't find a record of us having an anthem before that time.
One of the verses is about Marshall Wade sorting out the Scots
Actually, it was "rebellious Scots", not the general Scottish population - many of whom welcomed the Union. I see nothing wrong in quelling rebellions...... | |
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