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 Micjohn59

Joined: 6/10/2007
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How are Men missing out, If they choose not to Date sigle moms
Posted: 5/7/2008 8:36:27 PM
Well to begin with singles Moms they tend to be more Unconditional. Life trains them that way. There is nothing wrong with women with no kids but my experiences are that they are more self serving and self centered ( not your fault though). Let me explain , All your life has been catering to yourself , where you eat , who you date, what time you go home from hanging out . How much money you have or made for yourself etc . There is nothing between life and yourself to condition you to think behave or anything else but to serving self.
Question, do you know what it is like to stay up all night because of a sick child and then have to work in the morning , or do you know what it is like to go to the mall to buy something for yourself but when you leave the mall everything you purchase was for your kids. There are many experiences that happens that conditions single parents to by unconditional and the act of practicing unconditional love, .
So the difference is being with someone that knows and understands and practices unconditional love daily verse someone that knows it but does not practices it.

Makes since ???

,my experiences
 Johne102

Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 5/8/2008 8:59:40 AM
I do not hate women or single mothers...I just do not want to get trapped into supporting someone else's children. Why do many single mom's either start the same treads without reading the ones that are already on here about why men will not date single mothers?

Single mom's need to realize that their situations may not be attactive to men.

If you were to marry me and there was a law that stated you had to support my family for years after the divorce and you knew this when you met me would you date me? Or at least give serious thought to the situation? See that is what some single mom's do not understand....there is alot to consider in dating a single mom. Some (not all but some) want dating to be like it was before tey had children and it is not...it is a new reality. I have seen posts in other threadsby a few single moms saying that they do not want to be totally eliminated from the dating pool because they have children. I understand that and do not blame you. Do you try to see it from the other side though?

I do not think men are missing anything by not dating a single mom. I think with my brain in my head forst, my wallet second and that lets me use common sense when dating.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

Joined: 7/4/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2008 9:26:39 AM
John, you're full of crap. You say you only post this because 'single mothers keep posting new threads'. If that were the case, you wouldn't be lugging around your soap box to every single thread you post on, regardless of topic, and talk about the Canadian laws. And that is what you do. Someone can ask how to prepare a kid for preschool and you'll jump in and say...well you know,....it's going to be hard to prepare your kid for preschool when they don't have a father in the house, and you're just going to have to live with the fact that it's going to be that way for along time, because many single men do not wish to raise anothers' child.

Just stop John. For the love of all that is good and right with the world, please. PLEASE!!
 Laneybird

Joined: 3/6/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2008 11:53:11 PM

John, you're full of crap. You say you only post this because 'single mothers keep posting new threads'. If that were the case, you wouldn't be lugging around your soap box to every single thread you post on, regardless of topic, and talk about the Canadian laws. And that is what you do. Someone can ask how to prepare a kid for preschool and you'll jump in and say...well you know,....it's going to be hard to prepare your kid for preschool when they don't have a father in the house, and you're just going to have to live with the fact that it's going to be that way for along time, because many single men do not wish to raise anothers' child.

Just stop John. For the love of all that is good and right with the world, please. PLEASE!!


You know, Ive got to the point where I dont know wether to laugh or cry when reading Johns posts anymore! And I dont know wether I feel sorry for him, as he obviousley leads a very sad little life, or wether I just find him pathetic.
He has been coming on the single parents boards for years now and still just spouts off the same dribble as he did when he first started posting here. Nothing he ever says changes. Its always the same thing, over and over and over and over....
Its as if he is totally obessed!
As he isnt a single parent, or any kind of parent at all for that matter, he seems to think he knows it all. He has no idea of parenting, but still posts tons of BS.
Maybe one day he will become a parent one day (although, I must admit, I would so feel sorry for his future wife), and maybe then he will have a right to post on parenting sites. He makes out he is so perfect, but if that was the case, surely some lady would have snapped him up by now...afterall, he isnt getting any younger and lets face it, I think he will find it hard to find a lady his own age that doesnt already have children!
 desertrhino

Joined: 11/30/2007
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:45:12 PM
Okay, that's weird...

Did a bunch of posts just go "poof?"
 LoonyTunz

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:48:49 PM
Yes I think they did.
I get a {DELETE} thing at the bottom of some threads (The last dozen or so comment)
Perhaps someone else does too and is running around playing "forum moderator"
 Johne102

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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:51:18 PM
Why are single mom's so defensive? If someone does not want to date them I do not think that person is missing out on anything.
 NotInnocent

Joined: 9/7/2007
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:53:16 PM
Why are you so redundant?
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:55:36 PM

Yes I think they did.
I get a {DELETE} thing at the bottom of some threads (The last dozen or so comment)
Perhaps someone else does too and is running around playing "forum moderator"


The delete thing does not let us delete posts, just sends them to the moderators for deletion.
 desertrhino

Joined: 11/30/2007
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:57:56 PM
Oh well. Johne will never change. At least we can. I will just ignore him henceforth (as much as I can, of course.)
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/10/2008 7:22:40 PM

The delete thing does not let us delete posts, just sends them to the moderators for deletion.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that as even when someone really annoys me I consider it their right to do so and mine to have a thicker skin. So I've never tried it.

On a more pleasant note, Happy Mothersday to all single or otherwise.
 Laneybird

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Posted: 5/11/2008 2:49:59 AM

On a more pleasant note, Happy Mothersday to all single or otherwise.


Thanx Loonytunz

We already had Mothersday here in the UK in March...but Happy Mothersday to all the moms out there in the world celebrating today! xxx
 company4fun

Joined: 4/20/2008
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Posted: 5/11/2008 5:23:42 AM
You haven't met the right mom's yet, maybe you need to screen a bit better. Believe it or not there is some single moms that are self supporting and don't need anything a man has but may just want that connection with a man.

I am one of those moms. I think there is a lot of people out there on this site that don't work and sit on a computer and think they desserve nothing better then a dope smoker. Although I wouldn't write us all off in that category. There is women with self respect!
 company4fun

Joined: 4/20/2008
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Posted: 5/11/2008 5:30:33 AM
You need to slow down. Not all single moms care about YOUR pocket book or need a man to support them and their children. To be completely honest there are single moms out there who suprisingly probably make more money then you and have more to show for it. To classify ALL single moms in the needy context you are just isn't fair.

I am one of those moms. I'm not looking for a daddy for my kids or someone to swoop in and pick up the pieces of a broken home. I don't need anyone else but I want someone elses company.

What your wrote is so one sided it would be like me making a blanket quote that men won't date single moms because they don't get ALL the attention, which isn't true either.

You obviously are going to end up with a needy single women with no kids that needs to be supported, is self centered and the world revolves around her. Trust me that is worst! There is always bad apples in every patch no matter single with or without kids.
 wayetogo

Joined: 11/18/2007
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:46:34 AM
[supposedly our instincts are suppose to guide us to pick mates that will a)produce healthy offspring and b)be good mothers and c) be compatible mates... I think in that order... What would trigger that instinct more than a mother that is obviously loving and capable? If she has been on her own more that a year or two, and has reasonable well adjusted kids... I would say that she is definately material based on the instinct criteria.... just a thought....]

Nice to hear something positive...especially today.
Happy Mother's Day to all you single moms.
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:47:11 AM

You need to slow down. Not all single moms care about YOUR pocket book or need a man to support them and their children. To be completely honest there are single moms out there who suprisingly probably make more money then you and have more to show for it. To classify ALL single moms in the needy context you are just isn't fair.

I am one of those moms. I'm not looking for a daddy for my kids or someone to swoop in and pick up the pieces of a broken home. I don't need anyone else but I want someone elses company.

While that is true for yourself, I'd love to see a breakdown of average single parent income. Both before and after CS is figured in. Call it "playing the odds" I don't date incarcerated people, or addicts, and given the legal climate here very very choosy to the point of near dismissive of the largest part of single parents with young kids (that said there are two that I would consider a "safe bet" but even then with no malice on anyones part in making that choice I could find myself paying more for someone elses children than I do for my own).


You obviously are going to end up with a needy single women with no kids that needs to be supported, is self centered and the world revolves around her. Trust me that is worst! There is always bad apples in every patch no matter single with or without kids.

Ya girlfriend #1 is still undecided as to her best course of action for schooling, but is looking at options and employment opportunities in fields she would enjoy. Girlfriend #2 is currently in a pre-med program, girlfriend #3 is studying for a paralegal but considerring upgrading to lawyer instead, and the potential 4th is in international trade with an average income of around 150k(which would actually put her income above mine). And you know what? Everyone of them considers my wants and needs just as I do theirs. Tell me again how I'll end up with needy self-centered women because I am reluctant to get involved with single mothers, (and would advise my daughter to be careful if getting involved with a single father) this isn't to say there are no people of valuable character in this demographic just that the risks seem to outweigh the potential benefits.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:50:39 AM
Loony, you have 4 girlfriends? I'm going to quote a line from Pretty Woman here...

Where are they...shopping together?

4 girlfriends...no wonder you're loony. :)

 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:16:42 AM
No Simmah, 3 the 4th is a potential only. And oddly enough yes they do go shopping together It's all good for the moment but I have yet to face the day when all three decide I did something wrong lol. I have enough trouble when one woman decides I did a no-no. Three and I may just have to surrender ASAP and work on damage control.
 desertrhino

Joined: 11/30/2007
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:39:39 AM
Loonytunz, you realize those loco parentis laws apply to your harem, too, right?

And yet they're still willing to date you. And you still bash single mothers... though you call it "playing the odds." How sweet you are!
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:51:20 AM
Maybe they're all sugar momma's and contribute to his kids. Maybe they shop for backpacks and field trips together.



 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:02:08 AM
Not being "custodial parent" the loco parentis laws do NOT apply to them. Further since our laws only account for one spouse at a time good luck figuring out which it is. So they have no worries of being held responsible for my children.... only myself, their mother and any guy she co-habitates with will be held liable. And frankly I think that is a raw deal for any guy that might be interested in my ex(and consequently for her aswell in being given fewer chances to try a relationship out). The responsibility for raising our children should fall squarely on the shoulders of myself and my ex and no one else. But off the topic of my children before I pull out a wallet full of photos and bore everyone with stories of how wonderful my kids are.

Honestly the fewer barriers to a healthy loving relationship for my ex the better for my children I would think. Seeing working examples in both homes of such will teach them better than any lecture/lesson ever could. Barring her being involved with an abusive person or control freak, I'd rest easier knowing they had both responsible adult male and females in both homes they could feel comfortable approaching for advice.... Have you seen the stats for fatherless children lately, not at all encouraging. Based on that alone if the ex-monster-in-law were out of the picture chances are high that I would have insisted on living separately while attempting to reconcile and attending couples counselling.
 desertrhino

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:52:07 AM
Funny you bring up fatherless children... Really, it's poverty that tracks best with the issues faced by children from single-parent homes. Seriously. Check out: [McLoyd, V. C. (1998). Socioeconomic Disadvantages and Child Development. American Psychologist, 53, 185-204]

Also, the majority (over 2/3) of children from single-female-headed-homes have absolutely no negative outcomes, such as psychological issues or delinquency: [Hetherington, E. M., Bridges, M., & Insabella, G. M. (1998). "What Matters? What Does not? Five Perspectives on the Association Between Marital Transitions and Children's Adjustment." American Psychologist, 53, 167-184]

Y'know... just to alleviate your fears for your offspring.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:02:28 AM
Well that would be one reason I can see Canada not doing away with this law actually...to keep the poverty levels down and the 'broken home population' not so much at risk. Because you can post statistics all you want about children from fatherless homes winding up in prison, etc, but I would bet the farm that the vast majority of them also came from homes under the poverty level. Why? Perhaps....don't get all crazy on me here.....perhaps...it's because the bio father didn't pay support.

Just a thought.

And I don't really have a farm.
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:10:59 AM
It's Official: The Experiment Has Failed
For the best part of thirty years we have been conducting a vast experiment with the family, and now the results are in: the decline of the two-parent, married-couple family has resulted in poverty, ill-health, educational failure, unhappiness, anti-social behaviour, isolation and social exclusion for thousands of women, men and children.
From Experiments in Living: The Fatherless Family
By Rebecca O'Neill; Sept. 2002, CIVITAS


The following is from the newsletter Common Sense & Domestic Violence, 1998 01 30

Allegations of family violence are the weapon-of-choice in divorce strategies. Lawyers, and paralegals in women's shelters, call them "The Silver Bullet". False abuse allegations work effectively in removing men from their families. The impact that the removal of fathers has on our children is horrific. The following lists some of the consequences of the removal of fathers from the lives of their children.

The Impact on our Children
Inter-spousal violence perpetrated by men is only a small aspect of family violence. False abuse allegations are only a small tile in the mosaic of vilifying the men in our society. They serve well in successful attempts to remove fathers from the lives of our children. Here are some statistics resulting from that which show more of the whole picture.

79.6% of custodial mothers receive a support award
29.9% of custodial fathers receive a support award.
46.9% of non-custodial mothers totally default on support.
26.9% of non-custodial fathers totally default on support.
20.0% of non-custodial mothers pay support at some level
61.0% of non-custodial fathers pay support at some level
66.2% of single custodial mothers work less than full time.
10.2% of single custodial fathers work less than full time.
7.0% of single custodial mothers work more than 44 hours weekly.
24.5% of single custodial fathers work more that 44 hours weekly.
46.2% of single custodial mothers receive public assistance.
20.8% of single custodial fathers receive public assistance.
[Technical Analysis Paper No. 42 - U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services - Office of Income Security Policy]

40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the fathers visitation to punish their ex-spouse.
["Frequency of Visitation" by Sanford Braver, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry]

50% of mothers see no value in the fathers continued contact with his children.
["Surviving the Breakup" by Joan Berlin Kelly]

90.2% of fathers with joint custody pay the support due.
79.1% of fathers with visitation privileges pay the support due.
44.5% of fathers with no visitation pay the support due.
37.9% of fathers are denied any visitation.
66% of all support not paid by non-custodial fathers is due to the inability to pay.
[1988 Census "Child Support and Alimony: 1989 Series" P-60, No. 173 p.6-7, and "U.S. General Accounting Office Report" GAO/HRD-92-39FS January 1992]

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes.

[U. S. D.H.H.S. Bureau of the Census]

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
[Center for Disease Control]

80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.
[Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14 p. 403-26]

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.
[National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]

70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes
[U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept., 1988]

85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.
[Fulton County Georgia Jail Populations and Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992]

Nearly 2 of every 5 children in America do not live with their fathers.
[US News and World Report, February 27, 1995, p.39]

There are:

11,268,000 total custodial mothers
2,907,000 total custodial fathers
[Current Populations Reports, US Bureau of the Census, Series P-20, No. 458, 1991]

What does this mean? Children from fatherless homes are:

4.6 times more likely to commit suicide,

6.6 times to become teenaged mothers (if they are girls, of course),
24.3 times more likely to run away,
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders,
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions,
10.8 times more likely to commit rape,
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school,
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenager.
(The calculation of the relative risks shown in the preceding list is based on 27% of children being in the care of single mothers.)

and — compared to children who are in the care of two biological, married parents — children who are in the care of single mothers are:

33 times more likely to be seriously abused (so that they will require medical attention), and
73 times more likely to be killed.



Yet poor immigrant families with both parents don't suffer the same consequences? Sorry but I'll stay involved in my kids lives, and hope that my ex can provide a good role-model couple environment as well thanks. Poverty has been proven time and again to be a link but not as strong a link as broken or dysfunctional home lives.

EDIT : Sorry Simmah, non-payment is almost a non-issue here the vast majority of fathers do pay CS, and that even if it were not the case still would not entitle a single parent to go after ex boyfriends or girlfriends for support with children that they did not actually parent.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/11/2008 12:43:10 PM

Sorry Simmah, non-payment is almost a non-issue here the vast majority of fathers do pay CS, and that even if it were not the case still would not entitle a single parent to go after ex boyfriends or girlfriends for support with children that they did not actually parent.


No need to be sorry, I wasn't arguing it, as I said, I was just posting a thought. And I hope somehow in my posts you didn't get that I was trying to say you should stay out of your kids' lives. That is a big issue with me....it's been a long road for Picasso, Einstein, and SimmahDahnNah, I would never say that.
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