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 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 143
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It depends what God or Gods you think exist. The God of the Little Wooden Chair, may have a mind greater than the ego human and can actually care, or love, about 12 people at once, while you cannot.

Egotistical is to think one created oneself. To think one can therefore, through one's willpower, master Sugar, Nicotine, Alcohol. Jump up 1000 ft cliffs, fly. Our bodies are the way they are through thousands of years of our ancestors. Deny that and one finds that they are addicted to Nicotine, Sugar, etc.


um, I guess. so you are saying that if you do believe in a god that created you, you will be able to jump up 1000 feet cliffs, and fly?

not really following that argument.

I don't believe in 'god' and I am not addicted to nicotine, nor sugar, nor alcohol. I don't think you can make such broad generalizations. I once smoked cigarettes for a short time, a few months but quit cold-turkey several years ago, no problem, no help from' god'.

VVV

huh? so you are saying that believing in god makes you strong and able to not smoke tobacco or drink alcohol, use sugar or drugs, etc.??

I know plenty of god-believers who smoke and drink a LOT, use sugar & drugs.

or will you say that's only because they CHOOSE to and could quit any time they want to because of the power of 'god'? pretty weak, man..

and why should I submit to 3 years without some of these? if I choose to use them once a month or a few times a year I don't think I qualify as an 'addict' or someone who is 'enslaved' by them
..maybe 'believers' are addicted to their god or enslaved by him/her/it ..can you consider that possibility?

Or just too sure that you are wight any people who think differently than you are wrong .wow that's some god you have there, it likes you to be so judgmental doesn't' it?

VVV
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 144
Do Alcoholics Choose To Drink?
Posted: 7/24/2010 12:53:09 PM

Alright, then test your willpower. Go a year without drinking alcohol. See how tough of a man you are.

When you've gone one year, prove to me you can go three years, let us see some real strength.

Nicotine, Alcohol and Sugar addicts think they are not addicted. They master their substance every weekend, every day they wake up alive, they believe is a day they have mastered the drug.


I've seen plenty of people who believe in a god use and abuse alcohol, tobacco and sugar.. I don't see the correlation , that 'belief' is supposed to make one strong enough to never use any of the above?

If I choose to partake a few times a year I don't think I'm an addict.

can you go a year without communing with your god to show you are not addicted?

then go 3 years to show how tough you are? why not? I know, because you choose not to, right?

LOL; I've seen many people in religious fervors make fools of themselves as well. Religion & spiritually can be as addicting as anything else.

I didn't see religious belief helping Jews in Germany & Europe 1936-1945 very much. maybe they thought the belief would keep them safe -it didn't work very well.

nor did their religious belief help the millions of soldiers and civilians mowed down in WW I & WW II, for example, or in any war really -it didn't help the hundreds of thousands of Germans killed in carpet bombing of Dresden & Frankfurt, etc. by Allied warplanes nor the Citizens of Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

I'm sure there were many people of 'faith' on the Titanic as well as the Hindenburg, and on the 4 flights that crashed on 9/11; and hurt/killed by all manner of natural & man-made disaster.

all part of "god's grand plan" is the usual hokey explanation, right? lol.us little people are just too 'small' to understand that god shows his love for us by killing us,maiming, us, wounding us, making us suffer, right?

VVV






Real men can master alcohol, even a single beer, and amazingly their reflexes aren't even affected. Super real men can drink a case of beer and master it with willpower. Watch them masterly get into a car and drive. What men


huh? what the hail are you going on about? I thought the original topic was whether or not someone could fight an addiction, with, or without believing in 'god' .

--OK I get it !! that you HATE alcohol & anybody who uses it..what has that got to do with god? lots of believers get drunk and crash their cars too.

are you saying it is so much better to be so WEAK as a human being that you can't face life alone but must invent an imaginary fairy-tale god in your mind in order to be able to greet life each day?

you obviously have an addiction to 'belief' or 'god', the fairy tales you have created to enslave your mind with - you can't go one day, one week, one weekend, certainly not one month without these, right?

why do you feel you are so 'superior' because you have an addiction to something different from what others have an addiction to (alcohol, tobacco, sugar, etc.)

most people addicted to these hurt no-one but themselves but god-addicts often get in a fervor to hurt others (see the Crusades, 9/11 hijackers and thousands of other examples)

see the god-addicts who strap on a bomb then detonate themselves in a crowded area in Israel, or anywhere in the world.

OK due I see why you hate alcohol so much, a drunk driver killed your g/f. that sucks. plenty of people drink but don't drive.

what about god-addicts who then go out and kill hundreds, like the 9/11 hijackers did? that's OK? that's 'different' and good? god addicts have killed many more people than DUI drivers

VVVV
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 145
Do Alcoholics Choose To Drink?
Posted: 7/24/2010 1:21:55 PM

I once saw this really cool, tough dude, drink a whole case of Molson beer. I told him what willpower he had to be able to stand up and drive so willfully and masterly on the highway. He has the willpower to walk about 15 feet before he lost his willpower. Really tough guy. I kept thinking if only I had as much willpower as that guy.



so is starting an alternative school for WHITE children only an example of what your god wants you to do?

promote segregation & division?

is that a branch of the KKK or White Riders or whatever? they were/are very religious people too, always used/use the bible in their ceremonies



Alright, then test your willpower. Go a year without drinking alcohol. See how tough of a man you are.

When you've gone one year, prove to me you can go three years, let us see some real strength.

Nicotine, Alcohol and Sugar addicts think they are not addicted. They master their substance every weekend, every day they wake up alive, they believe is a day they have mastered the drug.



I've seen plenty of people who believe in a god use and abuse alcohol, tobacco and sugar.. I don't see the correlation , that 'belief' is supposed to make one strong enough to never use any of the above?

If I choose to partake a few times a year I don't think I'm an addict.

can you go a year without communing with your god to show you are not addicted?

then go 3 years to show how tough you are? why not? I know, because you choose not to, right?

LOL; I've seen many people in religious fervors make fools of themselves as well. Religion & spiritually can be as addicting as anything else.

I didn't see religious belief helping Jews in Germany & Europe 1936-1945 very much. maybe they thought the belief would keep them safe -it didn't work very well.

nor did their religious belief help the millions of soldiers and civilians mowed down in WW I & WW II, for example, or in any war really -it didn't help the hundreds of thousands of Germans killed in carpet bombing of Dresden & Frankfurt, etc. by Allied warplanes nor the Citizens of Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

I'm sure there were many people of 'faith' on the Titanic as well as the Hindenburg, and on the 4 flights that crashed on 9/11; and hurt/killed by all manner of natural & man-made disaster.

all part of "god's grand plan" is the usual hokey explanation, right? lol.us little people are just too 'small' to understand that god shows his love for us by killing us,maiming, us, wounding us, making us suffer, right?



Real men can master alcohol, even a single beer, and amazingly their reflexes aren't even affected. Super real men can drink a case of beer and master it with willpower. Watch them masterly get into a car and drive. What men



--OK I get it !! that you HATE alcohol & anybody who uses it..understandable with what happened to your girlfriend, sorry that happened. what has that got to do with god? lots of believers get drunk and crash their cars too.

are you saying it is so much better to be so WEAK as a human being that you can't face life alone but must invent an imaginary fairy-tale god in your mind in order to be able to greet life each day?

you obviously have an addiction to 'belief' or 'god', the fairy tales you have created to enslave your mind with - you can't go one day, one week, one weekend, certainly not one month without these, right?

why do you feel you are so 'superior' because you have an addiction to something different from what others have an addiction to (alcohol, tobacco, sugar, etc.)

most people addicted to these hurt no-one but themselves but god-addicts often get in a fervor to hurt others (see the Crusades, 9/11 hijackers and thousands of other examples)

see the god-addicts who strap on a bomb then detonate themselves in a crowded area in Israel, or anywhere in the world.

OK due I see why you hate alcohol so much, a drunk driver killed your g/f. that sucks. plenty of people drink but don't drive.

what about god-addicts who then go out and kill hundreds, like the 9/11 hijackers did? that's OK? that's 'different' and good? god addicts have killed many more people than DUI drivers

 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 146
Do Alcoholics Choose To Drink?
Posted: 7/24/2010 1:29:48 PM
^^


so is starting an alternative school for WHITE children only an example of what your god wants you to do?

promote segregation & division?

is that a branch of the KKK or White Riders or whatever? they were/are very religious people too, always used/use the bible in their ceremonies


choosing to use alcohol, nicotine, or sugar, occurs because people want to get out of themselves. Getting drunk or high, from whatever substance, is trying to get out of reality.


avoiding reality, yes I see, but according to you..making up fairy tales and believing in an imaginary 'god' are not?

THAT'S "reality" ?? LMAO

I believed in Santa Claus too until I was 8 or so, but then I got over it-I checked available evidence and concluded that it was more likely than not, that Santa Claus did NOT exist. - It was a fairy tale told to me by others.

I can't see grown people (adults) believing in imaginary Big Daddies in the Sky looking out for them because people have told them another fairy tale.

if there really is a god let him strike me dead NOW for disbelieving

**bbbzzzzzzzzt*


oops, sorry, still here ;)
 plursty
Joined: 9/25/2009
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Do Alcoholics Choose To Drink?
Posted: 7/24/2010 8:01:44 PM
People drink a single beer, smoke a single cigarette, drink a single sugar soda, all to avoid reality.


Reality?? I'm curious (and sincere), what is your definition of reality??



That's why people choose to drink alcohol and become alcoholics. Because they are looking for some spiritual proof. So they drink or use nicotine, until they get high, hear voices, see visions, distort reality.


Spiritual proof??? IMO, this is a very personal thing for each and every individual, even when they may be moving down the same path in life?!

It has nothing to do with alcohol or nicotine! People abuse substances and/or turn to many other things (religion/sex/food/money) in order to avoid relationship with themselves and therefore with others, I do this and so do you!! Egotists do this, because the egos interest is in only thinking of self?!

We humans are all egotists courageousmind, and there is no way getting around that fact!!

 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 148
Do Alcoholics Choose To Drink?
Posted: 7/25/2010 9:57:08 AM

I once saw this really cool, tough dude, drink a whole case of Molson beer. I told him what willpower he had to be able to stand up and drive so willfully and masterly on the highway. He has the willpower to walk about 15 feet before he lost his willpower. Really tough guy. I kept thinking if only I had as much willpower as that guy.

Then my girlfriend at age 19 was killed by a drunk driver.

Some guy who just partaked a few times a year. Really cool dude. Full of manly willpower. He thought he had the willpower to control it. He chose to partake, to drink alcohol, just a few times a year, he chose to kill, just a few times a year.


so, you believe in 'god'

this must have been 'god's' will for your girlfriend to die?

thus the drunk driver was fulfilling god's wishes

why do you hate him so bad?
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