| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 2:02:28 PM |
there's no Santa!!!
No worries there, Santa is real.
Coke invented him back in 30's to increase sales in winter months. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 2:35:35 PM | And in the 70's, they taught the world to sing in perfect harmony! 
Believe in angels? It's a nice thought... so I like to think there are angels among us... sometimes in the most unlikely places.  | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 2:53:43 PM |
...sometimes in the most unlikely places...
Maybe they are hiding behind the couch with jesus? | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 3:31:14 PM |
People tend to use the terms agnostic and atheist fairly loosely.
I'm agnostic & dont use the term loosely at all. it is what I am
Christians don't know for a fact that God exists- they just believe
Atheists don't know for a fact that God doesnt exist- they just dis-believe
I simply don't know. I lean more towards no god, but actually hope I'm mistaken
P.S. You responded to a statement a couple of yrs old btw lol | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 3:44:32 PM | P.S. You responded to a statement a couple of yrs old btw lol
Does it Really matter that it was a couple of years old??? He was still responding to a statement. Isn't that why POF doesn't delete threads?
I'm an Atheist and I know for a fact he doesn't exist!
Unlike Elvis, Jesus did return.
He did? You saw him?? | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 4:13:46 PM |
I'm an Atheist and I know for a fact he doesn't exist! 
Well I am on the phone with the Pope and he is trying to decide what to do with his time now. Seeing that with all your worldly wisdom, you have to be right! | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 4:30:26 PM | | Paige, I respect your opinion and your freewill to decide what is best for you. You have the intelligence to back it up. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 7:37:33 PM |
Well I am on the phone with the Pope and he is trying to decide what to do with his time now.
What is the Popes role? 
Seeing that with all your worldly wisdom, you have to be right!
I got all the facts I need. 
Was watching the Hour on CBC earlier and Bill Maher was on promoting his new documentary Religulous. I think he made some good points as an Atheist.  | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 7:50:28 PM | ^^^^^^ If nothing else leafs, you are mighty entertaining!
Bill Maher is now the expert? | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 9/30/2008 8:05:15 PM |
Bill Maher is now the expert?
I didn't state that. There are no experts. Everyone has their own perspective. Bill Maher presented his. People who believe there are experts on this subject may have their opinions based on what someone else told them. Not what they actually feel. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 6:28:06 AM |
WHAT...no tooth fairy????
I never said there wasn't a tooth fairy. I have coins to demonstrate his/her existence and heard stories from others that he/she is real. I can't entirely rule out the existence of a tooth fairy just like I can't entirely rule out the existence of God.
(And yeah, I know it was a couple of years old but the Bill Maher movie coming out sort of brought the meme to the fore again) | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 7:16:24 AM | | there is No tooth fairy, angels, santa, easter bunny, devil, god and believe it or not Homer Simpson is a cartoon.......as far as God goes, until someone can tell me they stood at the gates,heard their name called, St. Peter shook their hand escorted them to meet God Himself I will never believe it. We are human beings, we live, we die, we become worm bait, relatives tell stories about how great we were for years to come.....thats our eternal life...........accept it now and live free the rest of your lives. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 7:19:55 AM | My prediction.
Bill Maher will be come the Salman Rushdie of the US after the bible belt hears of Religulous.
*"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies."
*Gregory Paul, the author of the study (Journal of Religion and Society) and a social scientist.
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 7:46:06 AM | | I believe in angels and I believe in ghosts because I have personal experiences of the presents of divine spirits and the chilling ghostly happenings. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 10:13:33 AM | | Killer, if all you need is personal testimony from someone that they've seen God and the afterlife then you're not looking. There's loads of people who'd gladly call you and give you the first hand eye witness account you're looking for. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 1:52:42 PM |
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies."
The article also says, "This is not an attempt to present a definitive study that establishes cause versus effect between religiosity, secularism and societal health. It is hoped that these original correlations and results will spark future research and debate on the issue."
When you quote one line from a lengthy report, it will be taken out of context. If anyone is really interested they would read the article in its entirety.
I cannot find any credentials for this guy although he has used lots of references - non of which I checked out. | |
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| Do you believe in angels?
Posted: 10/1/2008 4:24:31 PM | RE: msg 119
You can usually take data out of context just fine as long as it's quoted correctly because data is data while the context is someone's interpretation. The correlational finding (the first quote) is a summary of data. The qualification of the study is an opinion. It does nothing to contradict the data. Nearly every scientist puts a similar qualification statement in their studies, especially if they are writing to a lay audience. No single study is definitive, especially a correlational one, with respect to cause so the statement quoted in msg 119 is little more than redundant.
My critique of this research has always been that the correlations are generally influenced by one powerful outlier, the US. It's possible that the US is both very religious and high in these social problems for completely unrelated reasons unique to that one country. Similarly, one who was religious might argue that places at the opposite end, such as Japan, that was once strongly religious, have low rates of these societal problems because of the continuing influence of it's religious history on culture and not it's relatively new found secularism. If one extended the search to non-prosperous countries then there are some highly religious nations with generally low rates of homicide or abortion, etc. (Tibet for example).
(BTW, I've seen this same study cited as support for religion because the US is most religious and wealthiest, therefore God has blessed them with this wealth. The authors are neutral in their conclusions about cause.) | |
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