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Posted: 6/1/2006 4:18:41 PM | Your point is irrelvant...
Most pro bodybuilders have diet and steroid guru to help them. the gurus know the science....the bodybuilder knows how to train at the gym. Some bodybuilders don't need help from those guys...but most do. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 4:34:23 PM | ...stop the copy and paste from other people articles when you don't know how to explain it!!!
I didn't know that you need to compete....to try diets, training techniques and use supplements. Geeze I'll have to stop giving my opinions to people on training....NOT!!!
Funny thing that most gurus pump iron but never competed but yet bodybuilders need their help for competation and training....hmmm. Wonder why???
You must think I'm a fool!!!
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Posted: 6/1/2006 7:02:50 PM |
You must think I'm a fool!!!
Indeed.
You are certainly NOT any sort of "guru". | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 3:16:19 PM |
Because of my activity level, I can eat a LOT of calories/day (3000+) and I do not gain weight. Most of my calories are fat and protein, but then I have the body chemistry to burn them effectively to produce energy.
after reading some of your other posts on other threads where you say that you are considering liposuction surgery one has to think that you don't know as much about nutrition as you want others to believe. or is it your workouts that are flawed, or just your deditcation?
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Posted: 6/2/2006 3:21:44 PM | I am 50 and have had 3 full term pregnancies. My waistline is not what I would like. BFD.
One thing has nothing to do with the other.
One has to believe you don't know much about liposuction, dieting or bodybuilding either for that matter. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 3:33:56 PM | I'll admit I know nothing about liposuction but have learned lots from bodybuilders and not just locker room talk where they talk about cc's and how much protein they eat, I've been lucky enough in my past to know and work with a trainer who did many pre contest diets for quite a few bodybuilders and not just on the local level and also worked with the womens Olympic ski team (the man is no dummy) also I considor myself lucky to be a friend with a 5 time Mr. Canada who is most likely the most dedicated person I will ever meet when it comes to his diet and exercise history, I also know a few other accomplished competitors that I have learned much from, but most of what I know comes from personal research and experience.
I'm sure you yourself know quite abit so start sharing your knowledge if your going to judge others that do.
I've never claimed to know everything and never will, but will listen to anyone to help me learn more, even advice that doesn't sound right to me at the time. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 3:38:28 PM | | Yep...I should be like you. Lurk in the Forums and then jump in to make attacks on people's diet, dedication and workouts. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 5:22:56 PM | | Ok I wasnt gonna post and add fuel to the fire but lets get real here. We all have different knowledge about the sport and most of what we all say has some merit in some form. Is my way the best way? of course not. Is your way better for your body in your life. yes it is because we're all different. Not to point fingers but "who the fox" you seem to be only spewing hatred. I have been posting on the forums for a while and I have personally learned quite a bit from mysterious, scorp and many others who share their knowledge. Do I know alot about health and fitness? I think I do. Do I know everything? no way as I'm sure you can attest to also. Bottom line is instead of shooting people down and discrediting them why not take their point of view and learn something from it. I've learned from your posts (besides you like to just insult people and try to beat them down to make yourself feel better and boost your self esteem) that you are in excellent shape by eating a low amount of carbs each day and eating high fat and protein. So I take that knowledge think about it and hopefully one day I'll be able to help someone else with what I've learned. Instead of negativity why not take everyone elses points for what they're worth and stop trying to one up everyone and make it seem like you somehow have this superior knowledge over all others who post. Well all have certain areas of expertise that we feel the need to share with others on the board and we can all learn alot from each other without the need to argue over petty $hit or who has the best knowledge.. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 8:49:17 PM | Chill Out People....Sounds like the subject has become extremely argumentive....What's up with that???? It's just differences of opinions is all...
BTW: Question for Who The Fox: In your post above you state your age as 50 but your profile reads 40...Just curious, which is it ? Whatever...You look fab....
jpitalian: Yummy !!! | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 9:17:01 PM | I am 50...and that is in the body of my profile as well.
Actually, if you go back and reread the posts, all I started out saying was that low carb diets are do-able and sustainable. I do very well on one and so a number of competitive bodybuilders I know. There is quite a lot of research backing up the concept of cyclic ketogenic diets and it was done by reputable experts.
Oddly, as soon as I post that low carb is a viable alternative to the standard concept of low calorie the traditionalists feel it necessary to not just expound their opinion that low carb is bad, but to also make claims about bodybuilder's nutritonal needs as well as their drug use.
Somehow, that makes my hackles rise. I AM a bodybuilder and I am serious about it....I workout a gym with IFBB pros as well as strongman competitiors, fitness competitors, natural bodybuilding champions etc. Sure, the IFBB pros do juice, but the rest of us do NOT! MY old workout buddy competes NATIONALLY as a lifetime natural and he is on the CKD 100% of the time. The IFBB pros are using it more and more as it becomes more proven.
I wonder why it is alright for some guy with no picture even to be slamming my diet, workout and focus and for others to make claims of bodybuilders all being druggies but I am the one accused of "spewing hatred"?
Perhaps a few people have a hard time accepting a woman might have muscles and know a little something about a traditionally male activity? It makes me really wonder.
What is a Ketogenic Diet?
For starters, ketotenic dieting is based upon the removal of nearly all carbohydrates from one's diet for a certain period of time. In the absence of carbohydrates, the body will resort to stored fat as it's primary fuel source. Stored fat is broken down into ketones which the body then uses for energy. In order to enter this state of ketosis, one's liver glycogen must be emptied. Ingested carbohydrates are stored in the liver as glycogen, as well as in the muscles. When the liver is depleted of glycogen, a state of ketosis is achieved. Ketones are a by-product of fat burning, therefore while in a state of ketosis, the body is burning stored fat as it's main source of fuel. I'll bypass the explanation as to why this is such a positive occurrence.
The object of a ketogenic diet is to deplete the liver of it's glycogen stores as quickly as possible so that fat burning occurs. This is done by severely restricting carbohydrates and eating only sources of proteins and fats. On a Cyclical Ketogenic Diet (CKD) carbohydrate restriction lasts for a total of 5-6 days at which time a 1-2 day carbohydrate loading phase begins. The CKD is essentially the Ketogenic Diet for weightlifters, with the carbohydrate loading phase designed to replenish Muscle Glycogen stores so that adequate weight training may occur during the following week.
Many people have brought up the issue that a low carbohydrate diet will cause lethargy and weakness. These people were not mentally strong enough to make it through the first few days until they reached a state of ketosis so they experienced the basic lethargy typically associated with low carb diets. They also did not replace any of the missing calories with fat which caused them to feel miserable due to a lack of adequate calories. They didn't give themselves or the diet a chance to adapt. Just like with anything else, there is a period of adaptation.
This is not a low carbohydrate diet. It is essentially a NO Carbohydrate diet. While on a LOW carbohydrate diet, enough carbs are always eaten to avoid entering into a state of ketosis but not enough carbs or total calories to maintain adequate energy levels. Dropping the carbohydrate count further and raising the fat calories will allow the body to enter ketosis and use ketones, or stored fat as fuel. While in a state of ketosis, one feels energetic and does not experience the general lethargy found with basic LOW carbohydrate diets. Ketones also enable one to maintain regulated insulin levels throughout the day which again will cause one to feel energetic.
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Posted: 6/2/2006 9:31:43 PM | I wonder why it is alright for some guy with no picture even to be slamming my diet, workout and focus
and that really means anything, perhaps you'd make more sense yourself if you had a pic that danced and sang songs
edit, my personal pic is always in my profile, now go eat a potato. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2006 9:39:06 PM | You posted a pic of gym equipment?? LOL
and this makes it alright to be lurking in the forums and making catty remarks about me?
after reading some of your other posts on other threads where you say that you are considering liposuction surgery one has to think that you don't know as much about nutrition as you want others to believe. or is it your workouts that are flawed, or just your deditcation?
I think not. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2006 5:51:19 PM | Who the fox...If CKD diet works for you, good for you.
But one thing that everybody needs to understand on these forums is that the majority of the people here are beginners and know very little or nothing about dieting or training. They're not all bodybuilders you. By implying very complexe diet such as Cyclic ketogenic diet to a beginner would be absurd. They first need to understand the basics of training and dieting, as they progress in training experience over time they need to progress up by trying more advanced training and diet systems.
I agree that CKD works but are truly designed for more advanced athletes, I know...I've tried it!!! But for me personally short term was fine but not long term...here's why!! I tried this diet for a gruesome 6 months.
I was only allowed for 30-50 grams of carbohydrates a day except on load day, as you can imagine my life was not very tasty. I was only limited to a small selection of foods. Personally I like variety so this got me a bit depressed after a while.
At the beginning I lost a incredible amounts of weight, it was mostly water weight and glycogen depletion. I also did not found a big difference between losing fat in a low carb diet and losing fat on a MODERATE carbohydrate diet....but there is a huge difference however between trying to lose weight in a low carb diet and a high carb. Both diets provide similar benefits for me.
I had to pay close attention to my HDL, LDL cholesterol and triglycerides levels and the nutritional deficiencies caused by the lack of variety in the diet. I started to experience joint pains after a while on the diet. I was drinking 2 gallons of water a day so lack of fluids was not my problem. But when I stopped to CDK and return to my moderate carb diet, my pains disappeared. I wasn't able to lift heavy and have the energy levels as when I was on the high or medium carbs diet, the lack glycogen in the muscle cells were to blame. Mentally I had a lot of problems focusing at work during the day...
While I was on the CKD, my muscles felt flat and shrinked in size due to the fact that my glycogen was depleted. Mentally this was the hardest change to face while on the diet. But on the moderate carbohydrate diet, my muscles always felt firm and tight.
In my experience in diets, CKD and med. carbs diet were to same results for fat loss...but my strenght, focus and energy levels were much higher on my moderate carb diet.
This is why I will never put my body in such stress and environment again when I can have the same result with a much happier lifestyle by switching to moderate carb.
I also take bodybuilding seriously even though I don't compete, my goals and lifestyle are the same as a bodybuilder.
I more thing that is not related to low carb diet....do you really believe that the people that use roids are only IFBB pros??? Come on seriously...lol. In our shows here in Moncton 90% are on it and 10% of them that aren't you can hand pick them on stage...it's pretty obvious, none of them are IFBB pro but just amateurs.
Regarding the real natural shows where they drug test the competitors, yes I agree some are truly 100% natural, but some aren't. I know at least 2 roid users that stopped 6 months ahead the natural show to compete. They had advantage over to ones that had never touched the juice. At the end he won that show...wonder why??? I'm sure deep down he knew he had cheated...
More of my two cents!!!
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Posted: 6/3/2006 5:56:49 PM | . never mind
I retract my post | |
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Posted: 6/4/2006 12:22:22 AM | Fox...you have to understand that what has worked for you does not work for the typical person. We all are a little different...I myself am similar to you in the fact that I can generally do pretty well without a lot of carbs. But we fill only around 20% of the population. And it isn't always about what works best (in the terms of most pounds lost in a given amount of time) but what works longest. If 80% of the people could not stay on your diet longer than a month or two before they began to hate life...it's pretty pointless. Pre-contest diets should NEVER be followed by the general person! Also...most true competitors will be the first to tell you how they hate their diet & how it makes them feel. The only reason they do it is for pride or money (a good friend of mine is doing it right now. He actually won a trip to Mexico but can't go...it'd blow his diet)
You have blown off some of the best advice givers I have ever seen on a health forum. JP, Scorp, mysterious all give very lucid and correct advice & they all know what they are talking about. Rather than become offensive...maybe you should take a close look at what they are saying. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2006 3:21:00 PM | no, you need carbs and protein at every meal.
try out the good carbs though - veggies are carbs! | |
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Posted: 6/4/2006 6:14:22 PM | | Again, not everyone needs carbs, some people can do find without them, some people do not. Everyone is busting on Fox saying that everyine needs carbs, i myself can function just find without them as long as my healthy fat and protein intake are high, so what might work for me wont work for someone else, You have to find which diet works best for you and stick to it. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2006 1:33:01 AM | The only kind of carbs that are safe to be cutting out of the diet are the high-glycemic ones aka the sugary type ones. Things like fruits and veggies... definetly not.
There are a whole slew of problems that run with low-carb/high-protein diets, some of the problems can surface early, but they usually wont surface until the later years in life when it has finally caught up with them.
High protein diets are well known to cause things like diabetes, osteoperosis, and stomach ulcers over time. The first 2 usually surface later in life. I cant explain the diabetes portion of it, but i can explain the osteoperosis.
There are 2 minerals, calcium and phosphorus. Both of these compete for absorption in the body. The ideal ratio of these minerals in the body is 1.5 calcium to 1 phosphorus, but 1:1 will do. Here is the problem. Red meat contains a ratio of 30 phosphorus to 1 calcium. Bacon is like 25:1, eggs and cheese 15:1, fish 10:1. Calcium becomes toxic easily in the body. When toxic, its excreeted through the urin. The body cannot handle high volumes of calcium like it can handle phosphorus. For this reason, calcium supplements are generally useless. Some of the more knowledgable doctors will tell you this.
Basically when when the phosphorus prevents alot of calcium from being absorbed it takes it from the bones, creating "pores" in them thus weakening them aka osteoperosis.
Here is some other food for thought. I'm sure everyone will agree on here that water is vital to our bodies, so we need alot of it. For each molecule of a carb, you'll find about 5 molecules of water attached to it, lose the carb, the water is lost as well. The water has no carb to attach itself to, so drinking more water to offset it doesnt work. Losing water also has an effect on being able to hold muscle as muscle holds water. I dont know if most people are aware of this, but lean muscle has a very large effect on how well fat is metabolized. Those with a higher amount of lean muscle will have an easier time shedding fat. It would be best to hold as much water as possible in the body to keep the lean mass. Cutting carbs is not the best way to be doing this. Yes it is good to definetly lower the carb intake about 3-4 hours before bed time. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 4:36:01 PM | [High protein diets are well known to cause things like diabetes, osteoperosis, and stomach ulcers over time. The first 2 usually surface later in life. I cant explain the diabetes portion of it, but i can explain the osteoperosis.]
That is not true. Genetics, poor diet plays a role in diseases such as diabetes, etc.
High protein diet is essentially needed for muscle and tissue repair for athletes and bodybuilders, not inactive couch potatoes. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 6:42:16 PM | Name is a bit misleading...
First... low carb diets are not necessarily high protein...
Secondly what they are really talking about is a low Processed carb diet... Most health practicianers are now in agreement that processed carbs are not healthy...
whole grains, fruits, veggies, beans; all good sources of carbs...
The food pyrimid was recently revised to represent this...
So... good carbs, good fats(olive oil), low fat protien, lots of water...  | |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 6:54:59 PM | The body can only synthisize so much protein.. something around like 50-100 grams, anymore is just waste. The higher end is for body builders or individuals who are extremely active. It has been found to be a major contributor in diabetes, along with screwy eating patterns... as well as osteoperosis. Genetics do play a factor, but only to the point of an individual with a greater chance of receiving it if it runs in the family. It doesnt mean the person will get it. There are 2 ways to look at it.. through a mainstream nutritionists point of view.. or a lifestyle nutritionists (natural nutritionist) point of view. A mainstream nutritionist is one that tackles a problem after it arises. IE: the doctor sends someone to a nutritionist after they have diabetes to receive a proper diet plan. The natural nutritionist will look at the persons current diet, and educate them on the possible risks of possible diseases they might get do to their current diet. Then make the appropriate changes to avoid it.
Some research has been coming out as of late, showing that its more than probable that almost every disease on the planet comes from a mineral deficiency or imbalance within the body. For example, osteperosis stemming from a phosphorus/calcium imbalance. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 6:37:09 PM | | I would not go by what everyone says to seriously. best bet is to talk to your doctor and a nutritionest and do research on low carb diets. The dizzyness is not permanent from what I read. I hear it goes away and your energy returns after your body adapts but i do agree not every diet is for everyone. You may have to explore other diets to see which works best for you. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 6:59:16 PM | I haven't eaten more than 50 carbs a day in YEARS!!!!
I can run mental circles around most people- run a business, coach sports...
To say we don't have energy or mental focus- is an excuse not to loose weight- find something that works for you and your body and just do it...no complaints | |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 3:01:02 PM | Anyone who says low carb diets re dangerous has not done their research, adn is likely parroting what they have heard. It is safe, is does not mean "hey, let's eat 50 pounds of bacon for breakfast".
Everything in moderation. And btw, low-carb diets are prescribed to people with type 2 diabetes, and many times cures them without the need for insulin shots.
Also, you eliminate bad carbs, such as refined sugar, not good ones, like fiber.
Folks, before you blast a lifestyle, at least research it, or try it! | |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 4:37:26 PM | Somehow I must not have gotten the memo that carbs are bad and fattening. I've been a vegetarian for 40 years, my GP couldn't find a dang thing wrong with me after a battery of tests (routine physical), I'm 5' 11" and 145 pounds at 55 (almost 56). I eat a generally low-fat diet. Guess where I get my calories? Uh, that would be carbs...
On the other hand, you might do a bit of research on what Dr. Atkins died of... | |
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