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 wiseone
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 76
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It is really difficult for me to define an unintelligent person. Yes, I know that an unintelligent person is one who lacks intelligence. But I cannot imagine anyone without intelligence unless there is a threshold level to categorise people as unintelligent if they have less intelligence than the threshold level.

But I have no faith in the processes or techniques used to assess intelligence. I think that life circumstances is a better indicator of intelligence than say I.Q. But life circumstances is not conclusive evidence of intelligence because we each have our own unique challenges, or circumstances, or setbacks to contend with.

I know how to identify stupid behaviour but whether a person manifesting stupid behaviour is in fact unintelligent is a separate matter.

wiseone
 Greenstar1
Joined: 6/14/2005
Msg: 77
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Posted: 6/5/2006 6:52:20 PM
Non-intelligent people lack the ability to correctly perceive reality, and therefore fail to take the corresponding steps to advance his/her own cause.

Everyone needs to get better, and if you are not getting better you are getting worse.

Education has ZERO to do with intelligence. Spelling and grammar are use of the English language, not general ability.Ed Sullivan could spot talent without trying. Thomas Edison had little formal training. Ferdinand Porsche was self-educated and designed the most successful car in the world ever. Rudolf Diesel never finished school. Many very smart people are damn weird.

Racism has little to do with IQ. It may have to do with upbringing and ethnic background.
There are different kinds of smarts. Social ability has nothing to do with Intelligence. Many smart people are boors. Being able to figure things out without training, might be a start at defining it.
 outlier
Joined: 6/1/2006
Msg: 78
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:25:19 AM
Intelligence is a construct that was invented to predict who would do well in a formal education setting. It correlates very highly with formal education because most measures of intelligence contain items of content as well as items that measure problem solving. Content items are things like vocabulary (which most of us pick up through more formal education). Also, people with higher intelligence are more likely to do well in school and be given the opportunity to pursue university, graduate school etc. People with lower intelligence aren't given that chance.

Intelligence is not related to most of the personality traits and attributes mentioned above although it is related to one (Openness to experience) which has to do with the propensity to seek out new experiences (think ordering new foods off the menu versus going back to the tried and true dish). Although there are some advocates of multiple intelligences (e.g., creative intelligence, sports intelligence, emotional intelligence), these ideas have never withstood the scrutiny of scientific investigation as being forms of intelligence. They are desireable traits but not intelligence.

Intelligence predicts lots of things like income, education level, job status and so forth. But it is an imperfect predictor (like all predictors) so not all intelligent people go to school forever or have good jobs. People who don't value intelligence are likely to remember instances where they met someone intelligent who did something stupid or was weird in some way. They then form stereotypes about intelligent people which they confirm in a biased fashion throughout their lives. People who value intelligence sometimes erroneously give it credit for things it doesn't do (such as make you a better person). This is the same bias working in reverse.

I value intelligence in a woman but it is just one of many things I value. In the long run, you need to like and appreciate the whole person not just the parts. Intelligence is just one part.
 wiseone
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 79
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Posted: 6/7/2006 5:33:03 AM
Excellent posts Greenstar1 and outlier. People with intellectual ability are more likely to have success in schools and universities, and accordingly, are more likely to have a higher income than those with less intellectual ability.

But intellectual ability is not constant. For example, a student who is perceived as a genius while studying languages at university and obtaining the highest grades possible in English, Frence, Spanish, and Japanese, could have a very hard time if she were to change faculties and attempt to study the sciences. The same student deemed a genius in a faculty where languages are taught, could be deemed an idiot without intellectual ability if she attempts but fail to succeed in Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, and Computer Engineering in a faculty of natural sciences.

If I seek to appoint a senior manager then I would look for a set of competencies that differ from the competencies neccessary for an employee to perform the office accounting.

Intellectual ability is good and I love interacting with people possessing it. But it is only one attribute and I do not equate it with intelligence.

wiseone
 athletic_funny3
Joined: 5/31/2006
Msg: 80
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Posted: 6/7/2006 6:03:47 AM
To the OP.

A thread on intellect. Well one serious lack of intellect example is when people read a post and then extract from it something that wasn't said and then reiterate their interpretation which has nothing to do with the post or put words in the posters mouth. This is how innocent people end up in jail. People constantly exaggerate and missinterperate what they see and have no regard for the person it is affecting.
 Dianamma
Joined: 5/23/2006
Msg: 81
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Posted: 6/7/2006 8:22:06 AM
Couple a spelling mistakes too, LOL (in that illustrious list, I mean)
 twistedmourning
Joined: 5/28/2006
Msg: 82
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Posted: 6/7/2006 10:32:45 AM

This is how innocent people end up in jail. People constantly exaggerate


I think you used your own example. I dont see how misinterpreting someones post on a forum could land you in jail. I suppose it's possible.

I also feel this is just all in good fun. Not to be taken to seriously. If I get offended by what someone has posted it usually means
a. I shouldnt be posting it in an open forum
b. There is something that is bothering me that I need to internalize and take a look at.
( this is usually what happens to me)
c. Im a little to full of myself and need to chill. ( happens occasionally)

But if in fact I do misinterpet or take something out of context, it is not intentional.
And if I actually hurt someones feelings. Wow, Im real sorry, you should probably look
at items a,b or c.
 xanado2
Joined: 4/3/2006
Msg: 83
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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:36:50 PM
intelligence is relative to the parties involved......there is emotional and intellectual which can vary. what it comes down to is the chemistry.....you won't get proper chemistry if the numbers are too spread out.....iq/eq numbers.....the equation won't work....however, you will naturally be attracted to ppl of similar iqs....and there is totally nothing wrong with that......just be open minded and polite if you happen to meet up with someone who you sense is significantly lower at the same time, you don't owe them anything; as well, you will sense if someone is significantly higher, chances are you won't feel comfortable to be yourself.......it's all relative and it's ok for us all to have varying iqs/eqs.....you can get a general feeling from the profiles here and correspondence, however, the real pic is when you actually meet.
 coug4
Joined: 3/10/2006
Msg: 84
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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:51:08 PM
A smart person reads the lines...an intelligent person reads between them.
 kaje
Joined: 12/19/2005
Msg: 85
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:24:09 PM
WoMeN WhO TyPe LiKe ThIs.
It be mkng my i's bled.
 firecracker 007
Joined: 1/13/2006
Msg: 86
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:50:52 PM
1)Low I.Q Score.
2)Illiterate.
3)Ignorant about almost everything.
4)Can't carry on an intelligent conversation.
 wiseone
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 87
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Posted: 6/7/2006 5:16:47 PM
Thank you dianamma for pointing out my spelling errors. Even I make mistakes. Have a nice day.

wiseone
 laurelmoonstar
Joined: 5/26/2006
Msg: 88
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Posted: 6/7/2006 5:25:14 PM
Kevnar, what you said says it all. I love it. Marry me!
 secrtluvr
Joined: 5/12/2006
Msg: 89
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Posted: 6/9/2006 4:15:24 AM
Professional wrestling, "smokeless" tobacco, NASCAR, fishing shows on the weekend, casinos, Smokey And The Bandit, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Bush descendants after Prescott, the Atkins diet, Auburn University (inventors of the McLean burger) Department of Poultry Science, Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt, and George Clooney, Britney Spears, Velveeta and Spam on Wonder Bread with Miracle Whip, pit bulls, GAP and Hot Topic, tattoos and piercings, crack and meth and porn and motorcycles, dirty hippies and punks and goths and emos and "manufactured housing" and alternative rock and classic rock and country rock and indie, and mthr****ing Survivor and American Idol and Dog The Bounty Hunter and everything else on TV and---ooh, just don't get me started...
 errnst
Joined: 3/21/2005
Msg: 90
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Posted: 6/9/2006 4:47:00 AM
an unitelligent person has the following characteristics

they think they are very wise, completely with it and together
they dont understand the difference between conversation and their own spew
they ignore most cues you throw at them
they loose an arguement and then act like they won it, or that there was never a discussion
they put the material before the spiritual
they are into shopping, sports, plastic surgery,
they think no one can see through their lies and games
they never think about how unjust the world is
they suck up to anything that weilds money or power


oh wait, did you mean unintelligent , or horrid?
 psssst
Joined: 2/8/2006
Msg: 91
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Posted: 6/9/2006 5:00:28 AM
Such a simple question that is soooo thought provoking.

I see unintelligence as a person lacking common sense... which brings me to, if it is so common, where is it most of the time? An unintelligent person will be the type that looks for and comments on the faults or deficiencies of others in an effort to raise themselves to what the see as a higher level.

It has absolutely nothing to do with education nor does life's success reflect this...
 Serendipity_2
Joined: 5/11/2006
Msg: 92
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Posted: 6/10/2006 6:21:19 AM
The worker that complains how hard they work, when there was no production...
The worker that does not understand what it to be accomplished...
The person that is unaware of the circumstance they are in...
The worker that puts his hand into a piece of machinery...
The partner that does not notice that they are alone...
The person that is unaware of their own issues...
 Sadhanna
Joined: 9/11/2005
Msg: 93
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Posted: 6/10/2006 8:54:02 PM
dianamamma, it really is a shame that, at your age, you have so much difficulty being well mannered. Blunt is usually, if not always better than deceptive or sneaky. Best of luck growing up.
 daisie
Joined: 9/22/2004
Msg: 94
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Posted: 6/10/2006 9:00:04 PM
Although really, really bad grammar and spelling do irritate me I would NOT automatically assume someone with bad grammar and spelling are unintelligent. People just have different strengths and weaknesses and disabilities and perhaps they never did finish formal schooling because of a variety of reasons. A truly UNintelligent person to me is one with no common sense, no good manners, with a closed/narrow mind, lack of interest in the world and others' perspectives, someone who talks bad behind other's backs. To me, all of those things are pretty much unforgivable and a deal-breaker.
 Clematis
Joined: 6/4/2006
Msg: 95
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Posted: 6/10/2006 9:09:03 PM
Some very intelligent, quick and smart people use terrible grammar. (Not to mention professionals with poor, illegible writing skills.)
Being intelligent doesn't make someone a good lover, either. Intelligence is a useful tool in the world at large, but might not mean that much in the bedroom, imo.

I agree with above poster. Also, those who think they are extremely smart are usually just kidding themselves.

Also, I agree with post #55 - good one!
 LoboBlack
Joined: 5/26/2006
Msg: 96
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Posted: 6/10/2006 9:17:37 PM
wow, mensa. Yknow who else is a member of mensa? Wierd Al Yankovic..no joke :)
That is impressive, Chippergirl, grats :)


Intelligence should never be measured by any kind of test..all tests can do is rate your intelligence at the time of the testing.
I have had days where I was intelligent, and I have years where I wasn't =p But, I have always learned from my many mistakes...In my opinion, that is what Intelligence is...Learning from your mistakes. I believe that was stated already, so I agree :)

Now Wisdom...thats a whole'nother story.
 Brooklyn7
Joined: 5/4/2004
Msg: 97
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Posted: 6/10/2006 9:31:03 PM
Intelligence is somewhat subjective... there are plenty of intelligent people who feel that someone who does not share their point of view are unintelligent... Does that make the first person unintelligent... or just stubborn and biased....

Although like I said... there is a certain subjectivity.... (In other words... I think person x is stupid... but what do I know....) and there are different types of intelligence.... (Someone can be book smart but unintelligent... P.S.... they could even have flawless grammer but be dumb as bricks......) but if you want to talk about intelligence in general..... its pretty easy to know when youre talking to an idiot....



Unless you happen to be an idiot.....


"You would need 10 promotions just to become an asshole!"
 gypsywinds
Joined: 6/4/2006
Msg: 98
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Posted: 6/10/2006 9:55:48 PM

Men who can't spell or use proper English for one. Loose instead of loser and threw instead of through. Everyone makes typos and mistakes - me included! But if you read some of these profiles or comments, you think, "Damn. Did anyone finish high school here??" Basic use of the English language is the first step to not being an unintelligent man.

The rest of the explanation is more complicated. Intelligence, in my opinion, hinges a lot on emotional intelligence. It's not just about college and degrees obviously. The more mature a man is, the more progressive, thoughtful, and less shallow he is. That's a true sign of brilliance. We see so little of that these days.


I find your second paragraph very insightful, but I disagree with your last line. I often see brilliance. I think one needs to have the patience (and inclination) to listen carefully and to suspend judgement in order to see it. Mental brilliance doesn't glitter like a polished diamond ..sometimes its a raw gem. Many of us forget that good grammar is a by-product of academia.. not an indicator of intelligence.
 outlier
Joined: 6/1/2006
Msg: 99
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Posted: 6/10/2006 11:08:58 PM
loboblack msg 98,

Actually studies examining changes in intelligence over time show that intelligence is highly stable over your lifetime as measured by standardized tests. They are both highly reliable and highly predictive of outcomes one would expect of smart people. Most intelligence tests require the test administrator to ask if the person is ill or otherwise not feeling up to the test. If you are tired or ill or just feeling out of it for some reason, you would normally be asked to return at a future date for testing.

80% of people believe they are above average...
 Trishnaa
Joined: 5/31/2006
Msg: 100
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Posted: 6/10/2006 11:11:40 PM
"80% of people believe they are above average... "


But they are usually not.
I agree with your theory about standardized tests though.


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