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Posted: 6/24/2006 8:35:47 AM | I find your message on 'vibration' very interesting although you say that low vibrations are 'negative' and high vibrations are 'positive'. You say that the vibration of rocks is slow and solid, does this mean that it is 'low'. I live in a stone built house, and I certainly prefer the vibration of stone to that of brick. I also love the vibration of rose quartz. But I am also fond of the vibrations emenated by gods such as Seth and the Dark Goddess Mhacha. I like dark clouds and thunderstorms as well as bright shiny summers days. I am a little confused over the positive and negative thing.
You talk about the 'purity' of the vibration as well as the depth, so obviously you are not just quantifying a linear scale. I have found that listening to music on a high quality stereo can cure a headache, whereas the same music played on poor quality equipment would worsen it (especially the base). Personaly I feel that low vibrations that are pure are just as beautiful as the higher ones, although your perception of them may be different. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 8:42:57 AM | | In the field of vibrations Dr. Masatu Emoto is doing incredible work with water. With simple words and their vibratory field (which he calls Hado) he shows that water's molecular structure is altered. Words like love and peace change water molecular structure into beautiful crystals and words like hate and war the molecular structure becomes lumpy and dark. Also the intent of an individual has a vibration that change water in the same way that words do. I find this facsinating because we are mostly water and it shows we communicate more on the vibratory level then anywhere else. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 12:51:16 AM | Dear Spiritguide2006,
It is not listening to music on a high quality stereo that cures a headache, but the concentration and meditation on the higher level of sound frequency which eases the pain. Because the music is so loud that drives a patient’s attention not to pain but to the high level of vibration.
Back to you again. You prefer the vibration of stone, because you are attracted naturally and maybe mostly to the low vibration which is not negative . That is why your spirit responses to it and finds it beautiful.
You have a modest and beautiful spirit, Spiritguide2006! | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 12:35:39 AM | Zenandtheartof:
The Hypothesis of vibrations which Dr. Masatu Emoto has presented maybe is relevant in areas where people speak Asian languages. However it is a very interesting idea to debate and ponder!
The sound of characters in Japanese, Chinese, Korean languages and pronunciation of the vocal signals mainly come from the throat and not the chest. In some other languages expression of feelings “negative or positive” and their reflection on the water give a different result.
Here is the proof: I have tested his hypothesis in different languages: For example in Arabic and French, the sound frequency gives a different response. However, In Norwegian and Swedish languages the expression of positive thoughts gives different vibrations on the surface of the water.
In Chinese language for example spectra of sound “ Bo xian” means “I don’t want” have a harmonic structure consistent with Emoto’s hypothesis.
Let me give you another example. The word “love” in Chinese “ai” gives a low vibration on the surface but in French, Italian “amor” gives a different vibration with a higher frequency. In Persian language “ eishgh” means “love” produces a middle vibration and in Russian the word “ LoobLoo” means “ love” gives a sharp vibration on the surface of the water.
You wrote: “… Words like love and peace change water molecular structure into beautiful crystals and words like hate and war the molecular structure becomes lumpy and dark. “
What I am trying to say is that It is not practical in other places on earth.
It is clear that the human body contains mostly water, but the result of different level of vibrations comes from the essence of the spirit.
How do you progress spiritually? There is a set of rules to live by called Natural Law. In practice, they are like the laws of physics - unbreakable. It is like dropping a glass from your hand - it always falls to the ground. There are no exceptions to Natural Law. The more you live by Natural Law and apply it in a positive way, the higher your vibration. The closer you come to God. And You are already familiar with the Law of Vibration - all things vibrate and positive thoughts, positive actions create a positive (higher) vibration. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:03:43 AM | I'm afraid that, while I do agree with the OP, at least in regard to some fundamental beliefs and understandings, there are some points at which our interpretations of the evidence apparently conflict. To hopefully rectify this, or perhaps only compare and contrast in the interest of understanding and furtherance of knowledge, I have a number of questions and alternate viewpoints. I also have some observations and points to make on related issues mentioned by others. I'll apologise in advance regarding the apparent haphazardness of my response.
The spirit world exists in the same space that the earth plane does and is all around you.
I am impressed with the fog analogy. While not necessarily perfectly accurate, it does help to envision some of the concepts at hand. However, my own experience of the spiritual realm precludes a literal interpretation of the metaphysical correspondence with our physical world. Essentially, in my personal cosmology, spirit does not always "occupy the same space". I do envision a form of "intermediate space" similar to the physical topography of existence, wherein spirit can manifest to the benefit of our observation, but the actual realm of spiritual existence seems to be more conceptual than actual. Good call on referencing the "earth plane," although I'd recommend reinforcing the term's use as referring primarily to the realm of physical observation.
Who are these people? They are people who have passed over ("died") and are now living in the spirit world. They are commonly loved ones or relatives, but they may be your guides and teachers.
One point, of contention if you will, as well as one that will hopefully help to define my observational viewpoint and interpretation of the spirit world, is that, while I agree that, in a sense, its inhabitants do include in many cases those who have passed on, they are not the only, or even the major denizens of the spiritual "plane". Consider, if you will, that while the spirits of the departed may endure thus, so too do the spiritual manifestations of deities, concepts, Platonic ideals, and other spirit entities (yes, including those known as angels and demons). This "other world" truly is a crowded "place".
There is a quality of the universe called vibration.
I find it very gratifying that you've addressed this point, since it is central (even, ironically, "essential") to any discussion of spirit. I'm not sure I agree entirely with some of the interpretations you've made regarding the "high" and "low" aspects, but I believe that's more a matter of terminology than anything else. As Spiritguide has suggested, I myself am a bit leery of assigning qualitative values to the properties of spiritual vibration. My own conception of such emanations tends to mirror in part the concepts associated with radiation, or radio waves, as well as sound (essentially vibrations, themselves). Pitch, frequency, timbre, wavelength, intensity, direction, etc. all presumably would have spiritual correspondences, quite possibly with other spiritual attributes supplementing them, as well.
The person you are, the way you treat others (and your self), the things you do (and don't do), and the way you live your life largely make your vibration what it is.
Again, for my part, I view the interrelation between thoughts, actions, health, and other aspects of the self and the spirit to be more of a recursive or integrated wholeness, spiritual vibration being one of many observable manifestations and components of the individual. With such interconnectedness of attributes, it is easy to see how this:
Positive thoughts help bring about positive (higher) vibration.
can be brought to bear.
Everything is vibration. It is the first act of expression, and it started everything.
I'm not entirely certain I agree, but as a statement of belief, it would be interesting to explore. As would this:
The event unfolds in infinate ways and starts a new universe with each possible outcome. Just like a fractal.
Alternate-timeline, interdimensional quantum spirituality? Intriguing.
From Msg 4:
1. Karma! I believe in Karma!
Thank you for referencing this, particularly in conjunction with what you've quoted. The idea that one's fate is contingent on one's spirituality through vibrational resonance is a really interesting one. I'd certainly like to know if anyone else has a take on that.
BTW, black and white are not colours; they are void of colour....
...And yet they vibrate... 
Msg 5
Whiile I'm not certain if this was truly intended as other than sarcasm, it does raise some good questions. Is there any scientific enquiry being conducted into these matters?
The spirit world is of a higher vibration than the earth plane.
For my part, I would characterise this as a "different" vibration, one to which mediums attune themselves, and from which spirit entities attune themselves to the level of our more mundane observational faculties. The distinction of value (as in "higher" or "lower" forms of vibration), unless used primarily to denote actual metaphysical (and hopefully theoretically measurable) "frequencies", may be misleading.
I'd hoped this wouldn't be so long, but there's a lot of good stuff to go over. I'll get into more of the rest in a later post, then (as this one's long enough), but first:
God is NOT a vibration!
The God of your understanding is of the highest and purest vibration.
Could you please detail the distinction? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 5:39:42 AM | My understanding of the Spirit world and spirits is that they are here, in our dimension, just vibrating at a different level. When one takes the time to attune, one may communicate.
The Creator is the ultimate vibration, and everything is part of the Creator, the glue or string theory is love.
The Seth material deals very succinctly with multi dimensional "other selves", however, all dimensional selves are agreed upon by your own "oversoul".
Just my humble thoughts, cheers everyone, Raven | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 12:57:47 AM | Predicting the Future and The Continuity of Life:
Isn't predicting the future what this is all about anyway? No. The main reason spirits come back to the earth plane through mediums is to prove the continuity of life, although they may come back to offer help too. So many people believe in life after death but don't give it any real thought. People don't fully realize that you, your personality, your being actually continue after your body dies. Your friends and loved ones in spirit are coming back to let you know that they love you and are OK. The continuity of life is proven when the medium gives you something in a message that uniquely identifies the spirit - when you know who it is, without a doubt.
The "something" that spirits will use to identify themselves can be most anything - their name, occupation, how they passed from the earth plane into Spirit, their relationship to you, their peculiar hairstyle or dress, a favourite dish they used to like to cook, their quirks and habits, special things they did with you on the earth plane, how they met you, or just about anything, even if it's funny or ridiculous. The point is to let you know who they are.
Spirit can more accurately predict the future than you can because they have a better vantage point. Imagine yourself in a car at night, driving down the road. It is snowing hard and you have your headlights on but you can't see very far. The snow hitting the windshield has a mesmerizing effect. A large tractor trailer passes right by you without a problem, just like it was noontime on a sunny day.
The truck driver has a better vantage point to see the road from. The truck driver is sitting far above the headlights and isn't mesmerized by the view of the snow hitting the windshield. The view from the seat in the truck is much better than down in the car.
Spirit has a better perspective to see where you are heading in your life. Spirit can see where the road you are on will most likely take you. Why most likely and not absolutely? Because you have the freedom of choice. You can change your mind about things and take a path that leads into something entirely unexpected at any time. But Spirit will be right more often than not.
Remember that people in the spirit world are often guides. Because they are guides it is appropriate to ask them to help you find your way, but you should not live your whole life clinging to them (and getting readings every day) for every little decision that comes up. How would you feel if you had someone continually asking you silly questions every day - "Should I eat eggs for breakfast or cereal instead?" "What should I have for lunch then? "Do I wear the green dress today or the blue one?" Keep it in perspective. Remember that spirits are people just like you. Be grateful that they are there to guide and help you. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:16:53 AM | Thought:
When you listen to good music, you appreciate the sound you are hearing and how it all blends together as one. Everything sounds "just right". Often you are not paying attention to this "blending together" as you are listening because the band is in harmony and all the instruments are in tune. But if the piano is badly out of tune and the guitar has a broken string you would notice it. The sound would be off and the music not right until you tuned the piano and replaced the guitar string.
Your life is like a band that is always playing music. The song you're playing is the song of your life, a song that is uniquely yours. Your music can be anything - classical, rock, folk, blues, rap, country, jazz, or heavy metal, it doesn't matter, as long as it is in harmony.
The instruments in your band have to be tuned up and work together well to sound best. As you bring more instruments into tune, the music gets better because the overall harmony improves. Musicians are continually tuning their instruments so that they are always sounding their best.
Keeping your instruments in tune and in harmony with each other is an ongoing process. Of course, "stuff happens". You just finished tuning the piano, then the lead guitar snaps a string and one of the drums needs to be replaced. You have that almost finished when someone hands you a new instrument you've never played before.
What are the "instruments" in your band? The important forces that affect your life. Work, school, family, friends, and your love life are some obvious examples. Your thoughts, actions, attitudes and outlook are more subtle examples. Your body is an instrument that needs tuning also - are you eating/exercising/sleeping too much or not enough?
How do you "tune" these "instruments"? By using your awareness. By staying in touch with yourself and responding to your needs. You can start by paying attention from moment to moment. "How much do I want to eat right now?" "Should I go to bed now or stay up for a while longer?"
Overeating is a common example of being out of tune. Your mind is busy telling you to eat and you're not paying attention to the fact that your stomach is getting full and don't need all that much to eat. Bring your eating and sleeping habits into tune by being aware of (and responding to) your needs.
Maintaining harmony in your life is a dynamic, ongoing process. This is not exactly the same thing as balance. The term "balance" implies a teeter-totter with two sides going up and down over a fixed point in the middle. Harmony is more of a smooth flow without any fixed point, a blending.
Take the time and make the effort to bring your life into harmony. Live in harmony with Natural Law. Improving your harmony can affect your vibration in a positive way. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 2:44:41 PM | fairyx,thanks for starting such a wonderful thread.Iam extremely spiritual,and I have spiritual
gifts.Iam very clairvoyaint-I can see all types of spirits,I can sense their presence,whether
it's a positive or negative spirit,I can feel them when they touch me and feel the energy and
air temperature change when the spirits are present,and I can hear them.Sometimes I hear
the angels play the most beautiful music 2 years ago I heard the angels singing,it was the
most beautiful sound I have ever heard.Their singing touched me so much that I literally cried.
I've heard the flapping of angel wings once.I know how you feel about people bashing you for
expressing your beliefs;I've been there.I've had a lot of experiences with angels.demons,and
other spirits.I usually keep my spiritual experiences and beliefs to myself because I've been
judged and teased about them.I was almost put in the hospital once because I told my ex
therapist about the terrible things that a demon,or demons had been doing to me.I have
a mental illness,yes,but Iam not crazy.And just because someone has experienced spirits
does not make them crazy.People like us don't need to see to believe.You can't see germs,
the air,and the wind but we all know they exist.It's the same thing with spirits.I respect those
who don't believe in spirits and such;everyone has the right to have their own beliefs.But
noone has the right to judge and belittle spiritual people just because our beliefs and experiences are different from the non-believers.To be honest,I feel sorry for those who don't believe in angels,God,etc. because they have no idea what they're missing.But everyone has
at least 2 Guardian Angels who never leave their side.You're apsolutely right,fairyx! For
those who don't believe in this kind of stuff start your own thread,and stop judging spiritual
people.Judgement is one of the main problems in this world. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2007 1:16:18 AM | Dear oceanChick,
I am glad that you liked this thread and am sorry for what you have been through in your life.
Life is eternal and life is progression, on the earth plane and in the spirit world. Learning is continuous. There is no finality to what you have learned. You may know very much and be living your life in harmony with Natural Law, but soon enough you will pick up something new to add to what you already know. You can always learn more.
The beauty and wonders of the spirit world are many. There are buildings and grass and trees and flowers and music and art and literature and science. Colors are very rich; more so than on the earth plane.
Your spirit guides and teachers are always ready to help you grow spiritually. There are more Natural Laws than what is covered here and much more that you can learn. Remember that when a medium comes to you with a message, it is coming from the spirits around you. The spirits around you are based on the Law of Attraction and the medium is the message bearer. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2007 7:25:46 AM | It is all real ...every bit of life in all the time there is from the smallest grain and up...peace n be safe daniel | |
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Posted: 1/29/2007 8:27:36 AM |
By OP:
“Who are these people? They are people who have passed over ("died") and are now living in the spirit world. They are commonly loved ones or relatives, but they may be your guides and teachers.”
I categorically deny this and I do not agree with your conclusion at all. However, I slightly agree with what “seafire” wrote. Read on if you may… but let me first quote what seafire wrote…
BY seafire;
“There very definitely is a spirit world, and the fog analogy is not bad -- but it is not populated by people who have died.
It is always amazing to me how many people are all ready to believe in angels, but will not even consider demons . . .
a demon has one goal, to associate itself with a soul, so that through the soul, the demon can have some experience and input into life -- demon's never "die", when the soul they were with dies, they melt back into the "fog" yet they have acquired the sublties and certainly have some of the memories of the people they have been with, and can impersonate them well enough that the unknowing and foolish believe
is there a difference between the spirit of a person and the soul of a person? if you do not know that there is, then you are engaging the spirit world with your soul, and hoo boy, does that ever make you easy pickings -- it is kinda like children wandering out into an ongoing battle field, the "good guys" will stop firing, but the demon's just take better aim”
I think “Seafire” has left the building but I think his conclusion (on his first post) was more on the money than anyone else’s conclusion here. Everyone chased him out – too bad!!
I probably looked pass this thread earlier because I didn’t see much substance in it or maybe I didn’t find anything new BUT BOY! “Seafire” surely had mentioned something I totally agree with.
I also believe that – the “spirit world” (that all those so-called “mediums” talk about) is NOT populated by the souls of actual people who have died. I do not believe that the primary soul of people who have died can be reach by anyone alive. Once dead the primary soul of every individual goes in -kind of a “dormant mode” until resurrected on the judgment day. So, who are those spirits – all those mediums keeps talking about? 
My simple answer would be - our “co-companion spirit”. My position is -almost like what Seafire said – those so-called spirits are not our (human) primary souls.
What is a co-companion spirit if you may ask – then I have to provide a detailed story that may sound like a myth. However, let’s avoid the details (such as - where those co-spirits really came from and why we are sent to this world in the first place etc.) and just get straight to the point.
Every time a human soul is breathed into a potential new born baby – a co-companion spirit (descendant of devil) gets itself attached to that baby. Some say - babies can see them. However, only one of those “evilly motivated spirit” can attach with the originally intended occupant (human soul).
Devil is not omnipresent. I seriously DO NOT believe that – devil (a single entity a.k.a. Satan a.k.a. Lucifer) can be at multiple location at the same time. So, he has one of his descendants’ (long story where they came from) tag along with each and every newly born baby. This is the only way devil’s point of view is expressed to the newly born baby as he/she grows older and develops his/her own thoughts. This tagged along spirit (devil’s descendent) gives us evil thoughts (devil’s point of view) as we develop our thoughts. Devil is in charge of all his descendents and can occasionally also tag along with some particular human when and if he chooses. He can take personal interest in a particular individual if he thinks he can do some serious damage to humanity (i.e. Hitler IMO). But normally he has his descendants working for him (in singular numbers with each and every human soul by co-residing in our mind/body).
This is why we have conflicting thought in our head. Sometimes it is almost like we have two people in our head. One telling us to do something bad (tempting us) and the other fighting back and tries to refrain! When we successfully suppress that evil entity’s thoughts (suggestions) and lead a righteous life then that evil spirit becomes dormant and practically nonexistence. Righteous people are the example of such scenario. However, we also see the other way around – when the evil spirit takes over the thought pattern of an individual (i.e. criminals).
When a person dies - the real spirit heads back to a place where they wait for judgment day. IMO they remain dormant there. However the co-companion spirit lives on for a few hundred years. There is a reason why they live on for a longer period. Let’s not get into that right now.
However, I don’t believe any of them are allowed to re-inhabit any other newly born baby’s body/mind because there are many in line in their realm as well. As a result of tagging along for the whole lifespan of an individual - these entities naturally gather enough memory (info) about the person they have been tagging along with.
When some so-called “medium” tries to contact the dead – that entity (spirit) is whom they contact IMO (if they contact anyone at all - I must add!!) These entities thus can fool them with accurate info because they remember the life’s incidents (memories) of the actual human soul. BUT they are NOT the real primary soul.
Due to my conclusion – it is my opinion that – it is unwise for anyone to contact such entities - for the simplest reason that - they are really devil’s descendants and they are NOT the actual soul of a said human that passed away.
On judgment day each person’s co-occupant spirit will testify against them. In other words – their job would be - trying to prove – we have failed God.
Those evil entities (descendents of devil) are primarily “lost cause” because they have categorically rejected God’s absolute authority at an earlier date (before Adam and Eve’s indecent). Purpose of their existence on earth is slightly different than our purpose. However, a righteous man usually successfully can transform them into a pretty decent entity. And as a result - on the judgment day – the entity accompanying a righteous man may also get a ticket to the heavenly community; if it is proven that - he was indeed transformed. So, there is some hope for some of them as well. 
I would refrain from attempting to contact such entities. I do not think God would like that at all. But this is just my opinion.
Proceeding is completely my opinion based on my research in multiple religious settings. If you do not agree – then it is your prerogative to indorse your own conclusions and continue attempting to contact those entitles.
I agree - no one from our time can claim to have entire truth because no one can really prove their position. We need to go by various available doctrines and go by what makes sense.
One man’s conclusion is another man’s myth – that is a common scenario in this world. So I am least expecting anyone to pay any heed to what I had to say here. Carry on!!
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Posted: 1/30/2007 1:56:45 PM | one day a man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conscoiusness experiencing itself self objectivly, thers no such thing as death, life is just a dream in wich we are an imagination of ourselves...hers tom with the weather.
thats a good quote...not really on topic but in a sense it is. energy cant be created or destroyed we all know that. i have seen my aura (sp?) and that of other people. that oscillation or vibration exists everywhere in life. the aura i believe is an field of energy at surrounds all things. we run on electrical impulses. anything that has a current has this field around it. where does it go when we pass over? no where it is right here. i dont know if i agree with the fog analogy. i believe that the "spirit world" overlaps us but in a form that isnt tangible. if all the spirits of the dead existed on the same plane as we do there wouldnt be room...the only way to account for this is that they dont follow the same rules as this dimension. carl sagan (although he doesnt relate it on topic) explains how the fourth demension does not have limits such as this one. its really hard to explain being that im not really too educated in the field, but if you look up his model of the fourth demension it kinda of makes sense. the glass is never half empty or half full its constantly expanding at every possible angle...all that being said if they dont follow the same physics how can we see them? no one can answer these questions. no one of this plane anyway.
back to my original off topic comment though...im a firm believer that if you think therefore you are. is it possible that if we believe we will become a ghost we will? if we belive we are all connected are we? i have seen some really crazy things in my day that i cannot explain, and i dont try to...ill figure it out one day when i am retunred to the collective consiousness...(sorry bout all the spelling mistakes).
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