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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/8/2006 8:03:58 AM | "That said I have a job that might kill me.... I never would have worked where I work now If I knew beforehand though. Unfourtunately at my age I need the money if I can live independently."
Excuse me! You are 25! Pleazzzzz...You are young enough to start a new career... that is a LAME excuse for not doing something else and getting out of a "job that might kill" you. There are people way older than you who change careers. I changed mine last year and I'm loving my new job. Anything is possible if you put some effort into achieving your goals.
"I got all my mercury fillings removed, I have sensitivity in some teeth but you know what I rather would live with that then the former."
Well, I guess we all make choices in life that suits our own needs and I would prefer not to have sensitive teeth. If you choose to live with the sensitivity then I'm happy for you.
"I just worry over what I have control over. If I can't immediately change something I worry about what I can change."
I agree with you here but I don't worry about it, I just make the change. It is like.... s**t or get off the pot. If the filling really bothers someone sooo much then just go to any dentist and have them removed, then get on with your life... end of discussion...
Honestly, sometimes people make life so much more complicated than it needs to be...
Worrying just gives you wrinkles and stress. Actually doing something about it... that is better.... | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/8/2006 8:49:28 AM | I had my metal fillings removed
and replaced.
Dont know if they are harmful... but if they have
a substance considered harmful... I dont want them in my mouth.
Most denists in my area dont use metal fillings anymore.......
but I guess you get what you pay for and could find some dentists that
will use it. | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/8/2006 2:30:50 PM |
I just worry over what I have control over. If I can't immediately change something I worry about what I can change. I don't expect perfect health or want to live forever but I advocate living more logically.
Exactly my feelings. I try to stay educated but I do realize that I can only control certain things at this time. That is not to say that I don't plan for the future. | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/9/2006 12:27:59 AM |
Queen, some of your points I agree with, some I do not. After looking at your profile I can tell you are coming from a viewpoint that "may" be 180 degrees from my own. There is ALOT in alternative health that is plain crap,but the same is true of allopathic medicine. There are "quacks" on both sides and in the middle,where ever there is money to be made,there will be those stretching the truth or flat out breaking it just to make a buck.
I'm not even going to go into your usage of the term 'allopathic', but anyway...
The point is, there are three types of medicine out there.
1. Medicine that works.
2. Medicine that doesn't work.
3. Medicine's that's new, and we don't know if it works or not.
Modern medicine is composed of the first kind. It's pretty pragmatic, as it takes what works, and discards what doesn't. Anything that falls under 'alternative medicine', is generally the second kind, sometimes the third.
I agree with your point on how people react when there is money to be made, however, the evidence speaks for itself. And I can't think of anything under the category of 'alternative', that is evidence based.
Bennet of Quackwatch has been sued and lost a few times, and on the opposite side of the coin, some of the people he has gone after (Hulda Clark for starters) have richly deserved his scrutiny. Every time I see one of Dr. Hulda Clarks books with those titles that say "The cure for all Cancers"...."The cure for all Diseases",ect. I want to throw up. She has made millions off of peoples suffering,all the while she has known that her methods DO NOT help the sick in VERY basic ways(increasing red blood cell counts,for example).
As for Bennets ties to the FDA et al, this is a sticky area with many interconnecting players and the truth is extremely hard to discern when one is so far removed from the principal players. Frankly, I would rather spend my time and energies on helping people with methods that have been proven to work, and leave the politics to others!
Hulda Clark is a piece of work. Obviously we can agree on that.
With regards to Dr. Barrett (I'm assuming that that's who you meant?), do you have any links for the lawsuits? Or any information on how they somehow refute the informationn on his site? Any evidence for ties to the FDA (though I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing, perhaps you meant drug companies?), or how that would make the information on the site less than credible? The articles are referenced by numerous outside sources.
And part of "helping people with methods that have been proven to work", involves knowing WHAT methods are proven to work, which is where Quackwatch, JREF, CSICOP etc. are invaluable resources. The problem is that people have their 'sacred cows', if you will, and they're unwilling to discard them. Homeopathy is an example of this. Time and time again, it's been shown to be no better than a placebo. Yet homeopaths continue to practice because they won't allow evidence to infringe on their beliefs. | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/9/2006 12:29:12 AM |
Yea Queen I do Its called Google and its right in front of you. Do your own research I'm not your personal assitant.....
So, in other words, you are either unwilling, or unable, to provide evidence for any of your claims? | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/15/2006 8:41:18 PM | Anyone who relies on quackwatch for info about health is in for some mass deception. The jerk that runs the site aint even a doc and even if he was, look what the medical industry has done for us!
Yeah mercury fillings are bad for ya, duh, where's common sense gone. It leeches out of the fillings and causes a multitute of degenerative diseases for all but those geneticly sturdy.
Our stinkin' gov't has seen fit to poison & damage us with flouride, geneticly modified food sprayed with poisons, injects our meats with hormones and other crap, xeno estrogens in our plastics feminizing men and wacking out female hormones, puts poisons in the vaccines damaging our kids, allows neurotoxins like msg & aspartame, sprays our skies constantly with with a aluminum heavy metal****ail and who knows what else, aluminum in deorderants causes breast cancer ladies, uses depleted uranium weapons in our wars of which the fallout is circling the planet, and the list just goes on and on then when you finaly succomb to the assault you've endured, you go see a doc to give you a drug to kill the warning signal that your in trouble which gives you a another symptom that you get more drugs for and by then, your demise is not far off
Good God, anyone that still has any intellectual capacity can see that the powers over us have it in for us. We are just cattle being used up for our industriousness in our prime and targeted for quick disposal but not before you spend your accumulated fortune trying to stay alive.
I'm proof of it! Sickly I once was till I discovered the plot. My fillings were removed, most of the toxic foods from our supermarkets eliminated, heavy nutritional regiment engaged and what a big difference and best yet have my mind back, fog from all that crap gone. Getting away from the bullshit on TV helped that a bunch.
You can't escape it all but you can put a big dent in it if you have the guts and that's all but gone in our people and if your too lazy or damaged already to do the reasearch I did, you can have it dictated to you from world class sources which you can find in my profile.
Good luck ya'll, you're gonna need it to survive in this sick world. | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/18/2006 1:10:51 PM | Lol, is this thread still going?
SILVER FILLINGS AREN'T SILVER
Remember when you were a child and you went to the dentist, and you learned a new word: cavities. A hole had rotted its way into the enamel, and must now be drilled out and made better. And the answer to the problem was called a filling. And you may have begun to look in the mouths of your family and friends to see their fillings, and were thus reassured that this was normal because everyone had them done. And the metal used for fillings was silver in color and was generally referred to as silver. And the fact that silver is a precious metal was some small compensation for the discomfort of the drilling, because now you would be carrying around this precious metal permanently in your teeth.
And about this same time period perhaps you also were visited by the Tooth Fairy?
By definition, amalgam means alloy of two or more metals, one of which is mercury. (Dorland's) In reality, dental amalgams are an alloy of several metals including silver, zinc, copper, tin, and mercury. Since mercury is the most volatile, being liquid at room temperature, it is an excellent binder for the entire amalgam. In most dental amalgams, mercury makes up about 50% of the material, while silver is only 30%. (Lorscheider) So you see, silver fillings are really mercury fillings.
The problem with mercury is its toxicity to human cells, especially the brain cells, the gut cells, and the liver. By itself, mercury is classified as a Hazardous Substance by the EPA, and is considered a powerful poison, 5000 times more toxic than lead. (Basciano) If your kid drops a mercury thermometer at school, the room has to be evacuated and the Biohazards Team has to be called in. (Hansen) Mercury is the most toxic metal there is that is not radioactive. (Ziff) Doctors and researchers have known about mercury toxicity since the early 1800s.
All systems of the body operate through the actions of two complex protein substances: enzymes and hormones. Unfortunately, mercury has a special affinity for both because of their component sulfhydryl groups. Mercury can denature enzymes and inactivate hormones, causing dysfunction of any system in an unpredictable and untraceable manner. The Great Masquerader.
Some of the effects of mercury toxicity -
Immune suppression--- bleeding gums--- irregular heartbeat---
Chest pain--- emphysema--- allergies---
Sinusitis--- colitis --- muscle weakness---
Stomach cramps--- loose teeth--- double vision---
Anorexia --- weight loss --- depression---
Hallucinations--- numbness in hands --- speech disorders---
Memory loss --- emotional instability --- rash ---
Kidney damage --- CNS dysfunction --- manic depression ---
Lung damage --- liver damage --- brain damage ---
Learning disability
-- Sallie Bernard
Since it affects so many systems, often with a delayed reaction of 10 or 20 years because of its 25-year half life, mercury poisoning is know as the Great Masquerader. (Ziff, p 41) If these problems appear later in life, the physician will have no clue as to the true cause.
Other fun facts about mercury poisoning are
(1) that it crosses the placenta to toxify the blood of the fetus,
(2) that mercury causes intestinal bacteria to be resistant to antibiotics, and
(3) that mercury crosses the blood-brain barrier, lodging in brain cells, especially those
involving memory and cognition.
HOW'D THIS AMALGAM BUSINESS ALL GET STARTED?
Looking into the history of amalgams is most illuminating. In the 1830s there were two groups of dentists in America: those favoring mercury amalgams and those opposed to it. Those not in favor of amalgam, the American Society of Dental Surgeons - disliked amalgam's tendency to fracture teeth as it expanded in fillings. Nor were they happy with the idea of mercury's side effects, like insanity (Mad Hatter's Disease) and loss of motor function from nerve damage. (Bernard)
So the Society pledged never to use amalgam for fillings. (Lorscheider) The Society actually referred to those dentists who used mercury as 'quacks' , short for quackenslaver, the German word for mercury. And that is the origin of this derogatory medical term. (Hansen, p. 40) The name of that other group, the one using mercury?? The American Dental Association.
From the 1830s till the 1850s, the controversy continued. Membership in the Society slowly declined as amalgam became more popular, since it was cheaper and easier to use than other filling materials. Mercury amalgam fillings could be offered at an affordable price for the largest number of people.
By 1859, the Society of American Dental Surgeons had faded out, edged out by the champion of mercury fillings: the American Dental Association. It is worth noting that the ADA's original unifying principle was that amalgam was safe and effective, the idea is in the ADA's collective DNA. When it was discovered that adding tin solved the expansion problem, that was all she wrote. Since that time, the composition of the amalgam alloy has remained almost exactly the same.
No opposition. This must be why in its 125-year existence, the ADA has never funded one single human safety study of mercury amalgams. They never even tried to find out! (Ziff, p 24 ) But the ADA's members are pledged never to mention anything about mercury toxicity to patients. And in an ironic reversal, by the 1980s the ADA had worked up the temerity to refer to any dentist who would suggest amalgam removal as a "quack." (Hansen, p 42)
Then in 1990, a very thorough scientific study was completed by F.L. Lorscheider and colleagues. (Hansen, p 46) In their meticulously designed experiment using sheep as subjects, they measured kidney concentrations of mercury following amalgam placement in teeth. A few of their findings:
Each amalgam filling releases about 10 mcg of mercury per day into the body
Mercury crosses the placenta
Mercury causes autoimmunity
Mercury can make bacteria resistant to antibiotics
Mercury can impair fertility
12 amalgam fillings impaired kidney function by 50%
Some 70,000 kg of amalgams are placed into the mouths of Americans each year. That's enough for over 100 million fillings.
This landmark experiment laid to rest the ADA's long-standing contention that mercury was somehow magically stable once placed in a filling, and could not leach into the body. Amazingly however, such a claim is still sometimes heard even these days. Their proof? 150 years of use. That's it! Incredibly, they've never made any clinical toxicity studies of mercury amalgams in all that time.
The National Institute for Science, Law, and Public Policy now has an extensive and well researched website in which scientific journal articles have provided abundant research that:
Mercury amalgams can impair kidney function (Boyd)
Mercury amalgams promote abnormal bacteria in the mouth and in the colon (Summers)
Mercury amalgams can promote cardiac dysfunction (Frustaci)
REFERENCES
Aposhian, H.V et al. ---- "Urinary Mercury after Administration of 2, 3-dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonic
acid: Correlation with Dental Amalgam Score" Federation of American Societies for Experimental biology Journal. 6: 2472-2476; (1992).
Lorscheider, FL et al. ----Mercury exposure from silver tooth fillings: emerging evidence questions a traditional
dental paradigm -- FASEB Journal Apr 1995
ADA ---- When your patients ask about mercury in amalgam
Journal of the American Dental Association vol 120 p 395 April, 1990
Krauss, P MD ---- Field study on the mercury content of saliva University of T?bingen 1995.
http://www.amalgam.ukgo.com/tu.htm
Basciano, M DDS ---- Lecture: IAOMT convention, San Diego 1994 http://i.am/amalgam
O'Shea, T ---- Autism and Vaccines ICA Review Sep 00
Vimy, MJ et al. ---- Maternal-fetal distribution of mercury 203 released from dental amalgam fillings
Journal of American Physiology Apr 1990
WHO ---- Environmental Health Criteria 118 Inorganic Mercury, Geneva Switzerland, 1991.
Ziff, S ---- Dentistry Without Mercury Bio-Probe Inc. 2000.
Boyd, N.D. et al----. "Mercury From Dental "Silver" Tooth Fillings Impairs Sheep Kidney Function", Am.J. Physiol. 261, Regulatory Integrative Comp. Physiol. 30: R1010-R1014, (1991).
Frustaci A, et al. ---- Department of Cardiology, Catholic University, Rome, Italy. "Marked elevation of myocardial trace elements in idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy compared with secondary cardiac dysfunction." J Am Coll Cardiol 1999 May;33(6):1578-83
Summers, A.O, et al. ---- "Mercury Released from Dental "Silver" Fillings Provokes an Increase in Mercury and Antibiotic - Resistant Bacteria in Oral and Intestinal Flora of Primates" Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy April 1993 p 825 - 834.
NIDR ---- Workshop: biocompatibility of metals in dentistry Journal of the American Dental Association
Vol109(3) p469, 1984.
Editorial ---- New England Journal of Medicine 18 Oct 90 | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/18/2006 5:02:46 PM | Wow, reality is that I never thought about this subject at all... me being a chemist Duh!
In fact the only thing I remember from Uni is that a gold crown should never be in contact with a silver amalgam, because a galvanic reaction occurs and then a "large" amount of mercury is released. End of the story.
Interestingly my dentist suggested to replace my amalgams for resin 5 years ago . At that time I had enough money to have half of them replaced (they were 12 in total, so 6 are still there) mmm...
So... after reading this thread went to PubMed to have a look and it became evident that it would be very difficult to discern about the effects of mercury in humans, because there are MANY sources contributing to chronic mercury poisoning these days (seafood, industrial environments, amalgams), however amalgams regularly deliver mercury into our saliva.
Mmm... are you going to stop kissing people with amalgams? 
Let's suggest PoF to add a "People with amalgams should not contact me" filter. Hey it is for your safety!
Sorry, back to serious mode.
I found this scientific report. They studied a very small number of individuals but the results are quite intriguing...
Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 2006 Mar;27(1):42-5.
Dental amalgam and mercury levels in autopsy tissues: food for thought.
Guzzi G, Grandi M, Cattaneo C, Calza S, Minoia C, Ronchi A, Gatti A, Severi G.
Italian Association for Metals and Biocompatibility Research (AIRMEB), Milan, Italy.
Eighteen cadavers from routine autopsy casework were subject to a study of tissue levels of total mercury in brain, thyroid, and kidney samples by atomic absorption. On these same cadavers, all dental amalgam fillings (the most important source of inorganic mercury exposure in the general population, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) were charted. Total mercury levels were significantly higher in subjects with a greater number of occlusal amalgam surfaces (more than 12) compared with those with fewer occlusal amalgams (0-3) in all types of tissue (all P less or = 0.07). Mercury levels were significantly higher in brain tissues compared with thyroid and kidney tissues in subjects with more than 12 occlusal amalgam fillings (all P less or = 0.01) but not in subjects with 3 or less occlusal amalgams (all P higher or = 0.07).
Oh well... it took centuries for the Romans to find out that lead was poisonous. It is taking us almost 200 years to find out that our amalgams are dangerous too... | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/18/2006 8:25:59 PM | | I read about the study done with sheep on the IAOMT website. Some say it was flawed because sheep chew too much and therefore release more mercury into their bodies than humans would. So then another study was done on monkeys and they still found mercury fillings to be harmful. Also, the ADA had some studies done very recently on human children and they claim the studies show mercury fillings are harmless(sounds similar to tobacco companies having a study done to show cigarettes don't cause lung cancer). But see the IAOMT response to that study here http://www.iaomt.org/articledetails.cfm?artid=339 | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 7/20/2006 4:43:45 PM | | Mr aether realm, BIG THUMBS UP FOR THAT REASEARCH!!! That's even more than I knew of and should be plastered in every newspaper in the country but then where would the gov't dispose of thier toxic wastes and speaking of that, watch out for the water and even more so your favorite toothpaste. If you only knew what the plot behind that is. For those intrested , this link will bring you up to speed, just copy it and paste in your address bar. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/fluoridebomb.html ..............Bob | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 6/25/2007 2:45:03 AM | | Lets see, harmful or harmless? After researching the subject, I am going with harmful, yet it seems harmful in a subtle way that unfortuantely many people don't realize until many years later, if ever. | |
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| Mercury amalgam(silver)fillings: harmful or harmless?
Posted: 6/25/2007 2:33:49 PM | | My dentist doesnt even do silver fillings.. said he hadn't in some time. I don't like how they look... I prefer white teeth, not spotted with silver or silver showing on top from a crown.. ewww. | |
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