| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 5:32:26 PM | | I think I heard that smoking is healthy too.....I think it was an all smoking research team that said it....LOL | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 6:37:53 PM | Okeydokey , back to this so called "lame" post. First off its brought up alot of really intreaging arguements and rebuttals, so id call that a great thread!
SEX... whoa , yeah i said it, its a biiig feaux pas on here , but the piont is , IT CAN HARM YOU AND THOSE AROUND YOU, WOW MAKE IT ILLEGAL STOP IT NOW, and yes it can kill those you love, people at the bar, the coffe shop, at home, and it is still a choice we all make, til the treehuggers find thats the latest cause to fight against, and where will you stand then when its made illegal, and you and i are forced to give that up , and not do it in the privacy of our homes?? Bad analagy but it makes the piont of the right to chose!
Gregorian well put on several occasions, however you are no better than I, wether i chose to harm myself or not, ever had a drink, then I am a better person than you according to your last statement.Your the best person ever ask you! you tell us lol.
And in a few years when the treehuggers find a new cause when smokin is abolished, and all of the smokers have been burned at the steak, and something you are addicted to, or enjoy , (my red meat exerpt from previous) or bacon prehaps, becomes known that the methane released from people who have eaten ... (fill in the blank) can kill, that you enjoy, will you allow your self to be made feel like a second hand citizen? Get back in you cage smoker and shut up you dont deserve rights or an opinion. I proposed a compromise, the whole smokin bar statement... rejected, why was i askin too much for a place of my own, where i can share with my fellow smokers?? Apparently, what if i asked for a whites or straights only bar (which i dont feel the need for just makin a piont), yes i would be crucified as i am as a non smoker, every1 else on the planet is allowed their individuality, not you people (smokers for the cheap seats), you smell and we cant have you polluting your own air even if we seggregate you from the general populos, because what if a non smoker decides to join you , theyll die, or has that even been proven yet?
However fitnessbunny, you dont want to be in a smoking bar ewwwww, dont frikin go , let us be and die if we chose. We go outside?? y dont you? Go on now get a jacket and go? Let us smoke then come back in , isnt too fair is it?
/quote Not everybody is hooked on something that is self-destructive, and/or destructive to other people around them
Yeah and my comprimise was ignored, so whats yours , the whole world quit something you dont like and yes it may harm you, however what will you accept that doesnt negate our right to chose?
And for the fella who claimed his smoking friends will go outside spring, winter, summer, fall, good for them as will I in a non smokers house, but now where i live theres no place except my home where my indulgence is legal,so if your friends are too passive to fight to have a little rights for the ability to chose an indulgance even in a environment where we would be perhaps seggregated , theyre very courteous, and will never have a voice for themselves.
Wow im gettin long winded in these frikin forums, you make me think and bring the gauntlet, , i like it lol.
SO in short (2 l8 lol) dont give us the world, but a little of our own space would be considerate , thats what your askin for right? | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 228 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 6:45:00 PM | I think I heard that smoking is healthy too.....I think it was an all smoking research team that said it....LOL
Probably the same research team that reported that some obese people are
healthier than the thin people. That obesity is in fact healthy and all this
talk about diabetes is biased. LOL
However, it is true that smokers are more resilient to Alzheimer's and other
neurological disorders. It's not coming from some questionable research centre, its
from our universities. I doubt they'd be teaching how to fudge your stats in
those classrooms. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 8:22:54 PM | | imthinkin... be honest... were you actually sober for that last post? | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/16/2006 7:03:48 PM | | Would it make you feel better if i was? OCifer?>lol | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/17/2006 9:09:23 AM | | It'd make me feel better if you weren't, actually. | |
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TishC
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Joined: 7/18/2006
Msg: 232 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/23/2006 6:33:36 PM | | Yes, but many drinkers do drink and drive (drunk). I am so tired of all the people who don't smoke talking about the smell on the ones of us who do. To me, there is nothing worse than the smell of a drunk. The smell comes out of their pores and to wake up next to a person who has drank a lot the night before is awful. In other words, I guess one is just as bad as the other . only drinking and driving takes lives--smoking and drivin doesn't. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/24/2006 9:23:25 AM | | Dont sleep with drunk people,problem solved.Smoking causes more deaths than alcohol,and driving and smoking can cause death i.e lack of concentration lighting up/puffing away,to the passengers especially children,throwing the butts out of the window.In Australia a lot of fires are caused by irresponsible smokers throwing butts out of windows.The Bradford Football disaster was started by someone throwing a butt on the floor.I dont agree with drinking and driving either but at least there are laws and penalties. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/25/2006 9:51:43 AM | | I may get lung cancer from second hand smoke but I'll have alot more money in my pocket when I die to give to my family/friends/charity because I saved all that money that you spent on cigarettes. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/25/2006 2:59:31 PM | thats why smokers need there own bar to smoke at. then we can smoke and relax and the non-smokers can stay out of our bar and off our back ....makes sence to me what do the smokers think??lol
i know my habit is bad for me but its the only one i got and i dont think i need to be nagged about it or told off bout it ...compromise is a big thing in life so our own bars help out everyone on this issue helps the smokers and non-smokers out | |
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Dru
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 236 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/25/2006 3:27:57 PM |
thats why smokers need there own bar to smoke at. then we can smoke and relax and the non-smokers can stay out of our bar and off our back
By doing this you create a double standard. Our society is intolerant of double standards. If your idea was put into practice, nobody would open a non-smoking bar. It's financial suicide to do so if smoking bars are still allowed. It gives one bar an unfair advantage over the other.
Think of a typical night out for a group of friends, some in the group will smoke, other's will not. The smoker's will refuse to go to the non-smoking bar. So the non-smokers in the group will have to go with them to a place with a toxic atmosphere. The smoking bars would be the busiest and kill off the non-smoking bars. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/25/2006 3:29:51 PM | | As long as I'm allowed to smoke outside and in public (there are places you can't even smoke in public), I'll be perfectly happy. Smoking is an outdoor sport anyway. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/25/2006 4:16:45 PM |
financial suicide to do so if smoking bars are still allowed. It gives one bar an unfair advantage over the other.
Gotta love tribal land...they can have their smoking casinos, and smoking restaurants up here in WA state. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/26/2006 12:14:02 AM | | Now that just doesn't make sense, a non smoking bar would lose out to a smoking bar. But I thought all smokers were suppose to be lined up a shot, and non smokers having friends that smoke well they should be shot too, how dare they hang out with us low lifes. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/26/2006 12:39:43 AM | | Smokers may live longer (that's a laugh) but they won't have any money because $8.75*365 turns into a lot of money wasted. I'm planning to quit, just waiting to mentally prepare myself. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/26/2006 8:53:07 AM | | According to my Quitnet.org Gadget I've saved $2,415.60 so far. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/26/2006 10:09:13 PM | | dru our society is built on double standards and since there are more non-smokers out there than smokers im sure the non-smokers have plenty of will power on them so a couple of smokers-only clubs wouldnt cut the non-smokers out too much. if the non-smokers were so health worried then y do they hang out with the smokers and by makeing a smoker feel like legal outlaws,society has already built a double standard yet again. and for non-smokeing bars to die off that is not the smoking bars fault, who kill them off? its non-smokers, who dont wanna go to give the non-smokeing bars business...dont blame the smoking bars its the customers choice not the bar! Customers know what type of environment it is b4 they walk into the bar they have a choice to stay or a choose to get out, the bar doesnt hold em against their will. Adults make choices, how they wanna live there lives and each choice has consequences,weither ur choice is good or bad. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:15:54 AM | | Smokers should only be allowed to smoke in their own homes.If you cant go out and enjoy yourselves for a few hours without lighting up,it a sad state to be in.As for health problems related to smoking you should not be entitled to free treatment,i object to paying taxes towards health care for people stupid enough to choose a habit that they are fully aware of the dangers. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:17:47 AM |
Smokers should only be allowed to smoke in their own homes.If you cant go out and enjoy yourselves for a few hours without lighting up,it a sad state to be in.As for health problems related to smoking you should not be entitled to free treatment,i object to paying taxes towards health care for people stupid enough to choose a habit that they are fully aware of the dangers.
Yeah, so then only their own kids wind up with health problems, stinky clothes and not enough toys because mommy had to have her cigs. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:19:38 AM | | I smoke (ciggs) but that is MY life and MY choice and if somebody does NOT want to smoke than its up to them nobody can change how one feels or does things. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:25:18 AM | | Really? Is it up to your 2 month old baby whether he smokes or not? Because somehow I don't think that's the case. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:28:37 AM | Kalidor
Who was that post to?
If it was to me i do NOT smoke around my baby much less hold him while i have the smell on me and i do NOT see why anyone should have ANY say so in others lives especially strangers i mean theres a difference, between saying what you would do or how you would do it but there is ALSO a difference in saying people shouldn't be doing this/that just because others MAY NOT agree with things one is doing. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:34:47 AM | | Im not sure what your getting at K,but smokers do smoke in front of their kids,still stink at home and still spend money on cigarettes,some(not all)will put their habit before their children.This is MY life My choice and i choose not to be sefish,not to put my health at risk.Fortunately we can change how people do things,by banning smoking in public,and changes have already been enforced in many areas.As for the way people think,smokers dont think or they wouldnt smoke. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 2:37:43 AM | <=========Smoker
but i dont smoke around my son and never will because i have more respect for him than just smoke a cigg around him and plus his lungs can NOT handle being around cigg smoke. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/27/2006 3:09:31 AM | | Thats good BW,but on the other hand dont you think you owe him the right to have a healthy mom,and you do risk the chance of a incurable illness due to smoking.I dont know how old your son is,but my friend smokes,she has a 6yr old daughter who tries to hide her moms cigs,she has even cried and asked her to stop because she is afraid she will die.It breaks my heart to hear it from a child so young,and they are aware more than we think,so there is so much more to smoking than just keeping the smoke away. | |
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