| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 12:27:26 PM | I have never smoked and never will and I am still alive...I guess it was all that second hand smoke from working in the Bars for years. 
I might live forever. 
Smoker or not when your time is up its up.  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 12:33:34 PM | Smoking protects you from cancer?
I have land to sell... there is some water in it, but it's not a swamp I swear.
Also I hear that stabbing yourself protects you from knife wounds. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 12:38:48 PM | hmm too all the self righteou saying poor non smokers inhale the worst of the cigarette? use ur head, the smoker inhales n exhales, u can see a smoker ergo keep back 5 ft. how come u dont pay attention when ur filling up your cars with gasoline, are u aware gasoline contains highly carcinogenc benzene which u inhale pure form of while u are standing a foot away from the gas nozzle,i dont see u whining or lobbying to get the gas companies to fix that problem, how bout ammonia ya wash ur floors with or the bleach u wash ur clothing with, personally smokers are being used as a means to an end to raise the price of an otherwise cheep product,
remember prohibition of alcohol? how many drunk drivers wipe out innocent smokers standing outside coffee shops late at night while thye enjoy there libation?ya ever see any of the pure dancers gon into lobbying to make alcoholics drink in drunk tanks so they cant kill or maim anyone, liver disease kidneys there are piles of diseases associated with alcohol, myself not being a druggy or a drinker wonder why these 2 major violators are being conveniently left out of this.
so u may get cancer from cigarettes
u may get cancer from anything tho
was proven cancer is genetic anyways, ppl have smoked for 50 to 60 yrs and guess wha no cancer, so i seriously doubt smoking is the trigger it is being accused of being,
if u do t like smoking for whatever reason then that is a fair and just statement, but to alienate and victimize a group of ppl because of your own personal issues isnt a just excuse
i dont like homos but i tell ya , i wouldnt b allowed to voice my opinion of puttin em all on an island , id b labelled a bigot which is the same in this case,
if ur afraid or such a health concious person perhaps when ur walking thru the downtown smog of 1 million exhaust pipes, get urself a face mask or a scba setup
self contained breathing apparatus= scba
and u get a hell of alot more co2 emissions out of ur daily drivers than any second or first hand smoke
and btw i wasnt tryin to infer smoking saves u from cancer it was rhetorical statement, obviously if u look at them non smoker stats saying more non smokers die from smokers than smokers themselves that could lead u to believe smoking saves lives of smokers , was just i guess a lil too deep a concept tho | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 12:42:15 PM | | First of all, why is this in a relationship forum? Secondly, you have every right to your opinion as we do ours. If you want to kill yourself with smoke, go for it. But when you bring the public into it, that's unjust. It's also unjust that chemical plants, car exhausts and the like have been getting away with killing us for years and years too. However, we legislate those and cracking down too because of health issues. Live in Houston where chemical plants run rampant on the east side and tell me that they aren't a health hazard. You say we are alienating and victimizing smokers because of our issues. Are you not doing the same with your smoke? That's a very hypocritical stance. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 12:49:05 PM | i put it in the relationship thread because of the limits insome ppls preferences i found it kinda oxymoroninc that ppl that drive cars and pollute could find it so distasteful at the same time for soeone to smoke a cigarrette, and i know all about chem plants they are rampant in edmonton as well as st albert with dow chemical and all the other refinerys,
am i victimizing people with my smoking? perhaps but i dont think im victimizing the non smoker anymore then the non smoker in his/her vehicle is victimizing the walking person waiting to cross a street at a red light . i just think that its great ppl are stopping and butting out smoking but i highly doubt there will b any less of an impact on society when this smoking issue is all said and done | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 12:55:04 PM | | not everyone dies from cancer.... but i think its safe to say that over 50% of smokers die pre-mature because of smoking, smoking DOES in fact kill people. You know it, I know it, we all know it, and its our choice to do it. but i don't want my kids doing it and i would fight to have it banned just so they never have to hear about it or feel the pressure over it. smoking isnt benefecial... driving a car is... so is hydro, etc... so why defend smoking? If it wasent for the nicotine, i doubt very many would smoke at all. think about it. i know that great feeling of smoke being inhaled, but its the nicotine, not the smoke. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:00:43 PM | | sorry, double post.. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:01:04 PM |
Also I hear that stabbing yourself protects you from knife wounds.
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:03:52 PM | ^^^^^^A cigarrette?????
~*Flavia*~ | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:06:32 PM | I agree trubble,,although I don't think I could go so far as to say smoking is good for you. But I understand the concept of ALL of us facing the dangers in each day. Through our lifestyles. And sometimes our work. And there is a certain amount of unfairness in what's been accepted socially (drinking) and what has had the benefit of the media behind it in making it evil (smoking). Just goes to show, how opinion can be swayed by who's paying for the advertisement. We as a society also learn by benefit of mistakes and is why, I believe alchohol hasn't been crimilized and pot hasn't been decrimilized. We already got to worry bout drunks on the roads, don't want to add stoned out hippies to the mix. 
i put it in the relationship thread because of the limits insome ppls preferences i found it kinda oxymoroninc that ppl that drive cars and pollute could find it so distasteful at the same time for soeone to smoke a cigarrette,
What it comes down to is the choices we make and who "fits" them. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:13:03 PM | the brainwashing tactics of lobbyists sure seem to affectthe weak minded automatons out there, they focus all there hate and self righteousness at one group who have been handpcked it seems thereby allowing the true polluters and causers of diseases and ailments to continue on there merry ways. smokin may increase ur risk agreed, but then crossing the street increases ur risk of gettin run over, benzene co2 emission hazardous waste , chemical sugars msg etc etc all proven cancer killers seem to get ignored and put to the side while the smoking possibilty seems stuffed on the front page of everyones agenda to stamp out
whos the real hypocrite???????
id like to see anti aids lobbyists start picking on aids patients n see where the social safety net sway goes and what would happen , since the stats say u have a higher chance of catching aids by being in contact with ppl wth aids , how come they arent being branded n ostracized | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:17:39 PM | I think second hand smoke is the least of everybodys worries tho....look at what elese is being put into the air just by cars alone!!
Dont mention the factorys...its like pollishing the brass on the titanic...its all going down! | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:26:22 PM | How about this sir.. So you are driving down a road and in the car is a father with his 6months old son and 2yrs old daughter in the back seat.. the car windows are up becouse it is raining.. not even cracked to let out the smoke.
TELL ME SOMKERS... DO YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN OR DO YOU NOT THINK IT WILL HARM THEM..
89% of smokers kids have Broncites, ashma, ear tubs or problems they are 73% sicker and always on Allergy meds.. They are always throwing tanturms and ahve emotional problems
HOW do i know.. I take care of your kids.. when you drop them off for school or childcare with in a few hours your child is like freeking out... "nicoteen fit" the child can not handle it... the child is bouncing off the walls, screaming and begging to just go too sleep, these children are also always in trouble do to the affects.. 'withdrawls'/./
Now... I am a ex smoker of 18yrs.. i am the person who did this.. i am guiltyer then anyone.. I smoked in my house, in the car, at the table i smoked in the bathtub. i smoked all the time do to it was just the 70's way.. it was are world..
But then my child came too me and said on holloween 9# years ago.. Mom I have no one to look up too, no teachers they all smoke and drink, NO one in the family they all do drugs or smoke or drink, Not even my grandparents or father and mother.. all the movie stars well thy all do worse, there are no hero's to look up too...
So mom WHO DO I HAVE IN MY LIFE TO SHOW ME... I DO NOT HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT!! I WANT MORALS AND I WANT TO BE THE BEST I CAN BE. 'MOM' WILL YOU BE MY HERO!!!! AS THE TEARS FELL DOWN MY FACE THAT DAY.... I PUT MY CIGS OUT AND THRU THEM IN THE TRASH.... I TOOK MY 'BLACK VELVET' DRINK AND PORED IT OUT IN THE GRASS... I LOOKED AT MY DAUGHTER AND TOLD HER.. 'ANNA' I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL...
I MY CHILD WILL BE 'YOUR HERO'..............
I have never gone back..............
So.. sir who dose it affect.. my Son is aneamic, broncitice.. since he was 6months old
and my daughter developed Ashma by the times she was 3yrs old she also had and still dose allergys.. And when she gets around smokers.. the sad this in she has attacks every time.. her lungs can not even handle the smell.. and yes it is a emotional thing.
It took me 2 yrs to convience my brain tell it NO>>>NO>>NNO i do not need you to control my life. I am in controll..
With in 3months.. i did not cough.. with in 6 months i lost over 40lbs.. with in 2 yrs my lungs were not filled with smoke and growth started back.. i no longer had liver pains in my chest. i could start running again and i was not a complusive women do to the cigs telling me i had to have them... NOPE>>> i did not need anything to control me again
Now the docs are blown away.. for my lungs have heald and my liver is not damaged.. i do not pass out dp too lack of oxigon.. to my brain.. i have no health problems
And i run 6.6miles a day now..
the Question is this.. I' hate kissing a man who talst like a ashtray. i do not dat4e any man who smokes. drinks.. period..........
i dont want it in my life ever again.. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:26:36 PM | | I think the study you are refering to is in regards to the % of nonsmokers who are consistantly around second hand smoke. What the research proved was that second hand smoke contains more tar, formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, etc... then first hand (which is typically filtered). It is not that second hand smoke is more harmful, but unlike the smoker the other people don't have the choice. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:36:09 PM | | smoking is baaaaaaaaaaaad there is no moral justifaction | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:37:06 PM | Great post tigerwoods....and much agree with everything you stated.
I am a non-smoker....my mother smoked for 30 years....until she had a severe attack where she was unable to breath and had to have breathing treatments for weeks on end....and landed in the hospital.....now she can't even be in a room where there is even a little bit of smoke because it causes a severe coughing attack....this happened a year ago and she still struggles with the fact that she wants a cigarrette but she knows if she even tried to take a puff it would most likely kill her on the spot.
But hey...just keep on lighting up...more power to you. 
Edit: Oh and when my mom made the comment to the doctor how strange it was for her to have cravings even when she was sitting in the hospital barely able to breath...he said..."Oh don't worry, I am treating you for the cigarrettes you smoked 30 years ago....in another 10 years I will be treating you for the cigarrettes you smoked yesterday." | |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 1:39:08 PM | the Question is this.. I' hate kissing a man who talst like a ashtray. i do not dat4e any man who smokes. drinks.. period..........
i dont want it in my life ever again
wheres the question again?
i wasnt debating it affects others, i know how badly booze affects ppl i dated the odd drunk, ergo i dot touch it myself, let them destroy there livers i dont care,but i dont force my views on them an d try n get the price of there habit, but nothing is being done against boozers, yet everyting is being done to make it more difficult to smoke, there is a middle ground, sure make us smoke outside, but why make it 10 bux a pack to do it, personally i dotn even goto non smoking places i refuse to support em unless theres no choice
funny how society accepts one type of bigot n not another | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:43:15 PM | NEVER again do I want to be addicted to that filthy disgusting habit...
Well I was glad to see someone refer to smoking as an addiction. Most people think of addicts as someone who abuses drugs but addiction can run wide and far. When I worked a drug treatment center years ago all the addicts there were also smokers. Addictive thinking makes you think you have to have it now even though we know its wrong we rationalize why its ok......smoking is legal ....but that doesnt mean its not another form of addiction. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:57:30 PM | Dont call me sir I work for a living!!!
And you have a point there. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 1:58:20 PM | | I personally don't smoke but I am not a judgemental person on the subject. I think we breath more serious stuff where the factories and trucks belching black deisel fuel in the air. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 2:06:49 PM | all I can say is that if one day trouble maker...I move to Alberta and start working at a cancer clinic there..I wouldn't be suprised to see you. I don't want to but I wouldn't be suprised.
All smokers do not get cancer...of course not...if that was true...well I think people would be really committing slow suicide. BUT with out a doubt in my mind....there are absolutely NO positive effects from smoking. NONE, it doesn't make you cool, because you are addicted it has a calming or what ever the hell type of effect...smokers say its a stress relief..well so is excersize....lol thats alot better for you, so is massage therapy, or meditation. ..., and it does increase the chances of someone getting cancer. Anyway I'm sure you are just mainly trolling anyway. So I won't get into anything else. But I think its pretty dillusional to say the things you are saying. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 2:19:29 PM | I was surprised from the OP so I checked it. From the American Cancer Society.
In fact, about 10% -15% of all lung cancer deaths in the US -- between 17,000 to 26,000 each year -- are unrelated to active smoking. Of those, about 15,000 are in people who never smoked.
I don't know what this means really. It could be that there is a large genetic component, or a larger environmental component, or maybe that 2nd hand smoke *is* worse.
Here's what I do know. Smoking is a large risk factor for heart disease, stroke, and vascular diseases, and its the primary cause of emphysema. Remember that when its time for a heart bypass or the oxygen bottle on wheels.
I like a cigar once in a great while. Its rather disgusting if someone's smoking one and I'm not. There's a difference between breathing in that hot smoky mix across your tongue and throat, than breathing the cooler exhalant through ones nose. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 2:30:54 PM | sillyatheart3, thanks for helping validate my point. I believe I stated earlier that my dad was a chain smoker. Today, I suffer from asthma as do my siblings. Funny, there isn't a history of this in our family until us.
It's strange - when I go to a pool hall and ingest the smoke, I get a headache, red eyes and my asthma acts up. I don't know of any smoke-free pool halls in my town. So, I rarely play unless at a friends house.
It's strange - when I go to a bar that isn't smoke-free, the same symptoms occur as stated above.
It's strange - when I dated a smoker, the smell she emitted caused the same symptoms to occur as stated above.
Or is it strange? Could it be that it is indeed harmful to those of us who do not partake? Is it possible? You say we are simply automatons or whatever of the propoganda. Thank goodness for that propoganda. If you'd have been exposed and feared it earlier, perhaps you'd think more logically about it.
Would it be true to say that if we do not learn from history, history is doomed to repeat itself?
I have no problem with personal choice for smokers to smoke. I just have a problem when it invades my health. And it does. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/21/2006 2:37:24 PM | Well, I'm a smoker and I'm not here to argue about anything. everyone has there point of view on the subject. But just to point out a fact. I've been smoking the same brand of cigarette since I was 15. And I'm happy to report that I'm in great health and to this day I have very soft young skin (without surgery) and my lips are anything but black. To tell you the truth, I never even saw black lips. Maybe that's another issue altogether.
Now I have seen yellow finger tips, especially from people who smoke unfiltered cigs.
But I don't have those either. | |
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