| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 2:53:14 AM | | The evidence against smoking is based on population studies. Not exactly science. Correlation does not equal causation. I listen to my body and it says smoke as much as possible. | |
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kmhstx
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 3:25:05 AM | The evidence against smoking is also based on scientific experiements in labs. On cells, and animals ect. The populations studies also play a big part in it too.
If your body says smoke as much as you want its most likely because your body is addicted to the chemicals in the cig. Therefor your body wants to smoke. That doesn't mean its good for you. LMAO
Just because I crave a big bag of chips every night....does that mean my body wanting..or telling me it wants chips that its good for me. HELL no...its because I have misstreated my body and made it addicted to carbs and fat
The idea is to get past this period of craving. If you quit and got over the hump.....and cleared your lungs of all the toxins, and tar. I bet you would be feeling 100% better after that initial crappy period of withdrawl.
Now I don't care if you quit or not. I just think its very dillusional to think that smoking is not linked with cancer...and that it has any benifits what so ever. Smoke if you want to smoke..its your own free will, it is legal. You should just know.....what your own free will has the potential to do, and not live in denial of the consequences. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 3:31:31 AM | I detest smokers, love it when they have to go out in the rain to smoke their lousy cigarettes(you can't smoke in bars/clubs in my state, lol) I love it when they have to do that, but they always do, nothing stops them from sucking on those cancer****........errrrrrrrrr sticks
if you smoke stop now, what's the use anyways........ | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 3:32:55 AM | Chamin, true about what you said. The others that you wrote is the heart attack, we do a lot of young guys for open heart surgery due to smoking, mostly young guys around 40's and 50's, they are healthy except a heavy smokers and clogged up the artery and needed a heart bypass. I will rather not date a smoker the taste and the smell always stick to their clothes and breath. But we all have or have a bad habits, alcohol is also one of them , obesity is also another cause of being not healthy. Wish that all people, our family, all our love ones will care about their health. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 6:19:02 AM | I guess I just don't get why anyone would justify something that they know damn good and well isn't good for them no matter how you look at it.
So you smoke....so what...it is your body...you do whatever the hell you want to with it. Not my problem....but stop trying to justify it to everyone who happens to be non-smokers.
I have seen what smoking has done to my mother....and I have also seen what it did to my grandpa (died of throat cancer)....I don't want any part of it.
To each his own...but don't try to justify your addiction. Sheesh.  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:11:59 AM | I wouldn't justify smoking at all .. It's bad for you, I know it .. And I dont care. I smoke 2 packs a day it is one of the few pleasures I have that keep me sane in a world full of Non- smokers   | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:27:24 AM | I agree with amanda...your gunna die no matter what you do!!
Live life, and try not to have an aneurysm in the process. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:28:41 AM | I Live life, and try not to have an aneurysm in the process.
Have fun, because when your 80 years old....you cant anymore...so live it up while you can | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:56:21 AM | | OK now be real careful when you get off that soap box, you might hurt yourself, learn how to spell cigarette and while your at it, try not to generalize by calling smokers 'whacked out' and remember "Do as ye will, Harm ye None" | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 10:54:32 AM | I'm a smoker on my way to being a non smoker. I used to smoke almost two packs a day (now down to half a pack and well on my way to quitting). I've never had black lips and the people I 'm around that don't smoke are always shocked to find out that I do smoke. No one has ever said I smelled like smoke when asked and it always surprised me. I work out everyday and I'm healthy. The ads I see on tv about smoking really piss me off. They lie about the stats. There's one that is on right now where they say a guy died from cancer of the mouth and never smoked in his life. How much you wanna bet the guy chewed? To think that second hand smoke is worse than smoking is ludicrious. My kids even think so and they are well educated on the effects of smoking. I have to agree with the other poster that said that cancer has many causes. Not just smoking. You know the cigarette companies are behind these ads. I think they are very smart in the way they are spending their budget that they now have to spend to let people know the effects of smoking. Very sly of them to convince you that you're being killed by second hand smoke. Makes it seem like you would be better off smoking than not. Good advertising if you ask me! The government is too stupid (or just don't care) to see what they are doing!
Luna | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 11:33:40 AM | | Ignorance has no boundaries. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 11:44:53 AM | | "wahhh yea but this causes cancer and that causes cancer so why cant my cancer causing materials be justified?" = complete bullshit.... gotta break this shit down somehow, why not start with smoking. More people are complaing about smoking then any other cancer causing substance and in our world of democracy, the majority rules, so go sit on your finger... your stinky yellow finger | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 6:08:08 PM | arctickristal,
You are a very smart cookie | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 6:09:51 PM | | ^^ aww thanks.. your so nice | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 6:22:25 PM | Carol,
I'm not sure that people are necessarily trying to justify anything. I think what is being said is that hey we smoke. No one is going to change the world, or the people in it. I still smoke, I still enjoy having a cigarette and that's pretty much the bottom line.
What's also being pointed out, is the fact that a lot of things happen in this life. And many times they happen to people who have never had any type of habit, be it smoking, drinking, etc. I don't need to justify what I do to anyone. It's just what I do. My uncle died of cancer. He was a big time smoker. However, He lived a fairly full life and enjoyed himself. He was well into his late eightys when he died.
My auntie was a smoker and a drinker. She was a strong woman. Her favorite thing to do was to sit at a slot machine with her ciggs. and a drink. She recently passed away in her mid 90's. She also enjoy a full life.
Things happen. And smoking may help to cause these things, but it is at the descretion of the person to smoke or not to smoke. To drink or not to drink. To have sex without protection with a complete stranger or not to. Most everything we do in this life comes with risk. People have to make their own choices in this life. You've made yours and that should be respected. I've made mine at least for now and that should be respected. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:18:37 PM | ok now since everyone says non smokers are more likel to get lung cancer than a smoker, how healthy of a lifestyle is it really to b a non smoker a fter all? i mean cmon them studies prove smoking is better protection from cancer t han non smoking. what ya all think?
Say what? Whose magazine have you been reading? Phillip Morris? Smoking causes a lot more cancer than non-smoking. Your post sounds like you think the opposite is true. Get your facts straight. Anyone saying what you think either has been paid by the tobacco companies to print those lies, or doesn't know what they are talking about and are trying to make an excuse for themselves to be able to smoke wherever they want.
I'm sorry, but smoking is dangerous. Just being around smokers for asthmatics can be dangerous. Even though he lived into his 70s, Leonard Bernstein died of a smoker's disease and had been a chain smoker. Tobacco companies have tried to cover up the threats of smoking by forcing TV stations not to broadcast these problems. What a load of dingos kidneys!
I might add, I have nothing against smokers per se. But I don't want to be around them in an enclosed space, and I hate their breath when they haven't done anything to cover it up that they just smoked. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:22:41 PM | I'm an asthmatic. Smoking hurts my body. Yes, it's through a filter, but I can choose not to add more than I need to, to my body.
I hang out with a non-smoking crowd... one of my friends used to smoke, but always outside, and she's since quit... I just can't be around it. It hurts too much to breathe that in.
*shrug* | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 7:36:44 PM | | I don't smoke because there is some anecdotal evidence that it causes wrinkles. On the whole, I think it is better for the economy if we encourage people to smoke. Tobacco industry employs a lot of people. So do lung cancer wards. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 11:27:02 PM | i agree wholeheartedly sunmaiden, while them simps whine on n on about how smokers are destroying theyre lives and burdening health systems etc etc and yet them hypocrites who form there basis of thought on other ppls research continue to pollute and destroy everyone elses lives just as readily as a smoker does yet have the audacity to jump on the backs of a person doing a completely legal pastitme and attempt to udse theyre fascist ideas to ostracize and deny basic human rights to a select group of law abiding tax paying citizens and to b honest im a tad p o'd by it , and to have that simp chamin bobble on about evil smokers n sittin on yellow fingers
this is the beginning of the end for alot more than just smoking, if they can throw smokers in the streets just wait till what comes next
if they can garner public support to throw tax paying law abiding citizens out in -40 weather and raise the price 1000% to a select group rght now and everyone applauds the idea and relishes in there bigotry and self righteousness, how will these others feel when the die is cast upon something they enjoy? perhaps itll b they motorcycles or ski doos or maybe even theyre feedom to consume alcohol. the young mentality may have never heard of the prohibition era and what occured fromthat,
when one group of people can so surreptitiously lose the basic rght to congregate or do what makes them feel free and comfortable how far from are the rest of the people from losing what they feel as an emblem of their freedom and basic rights. in a society of hypocrites that accepts all the deviances of humanity ie pedophiles murderers, rapists etc etc etc. funny how at the forefront on peoples minds is the smell of smoke . in a bar full of alcoholics and drunks, prostitutes drug addicts, u name it, to focus on the scent of a cigarette seems a tad inane
oh and in case noone has heard they are gonna b lobbying to make it illegal soon to smoke cigarettes in your own personal car and your personal property, yet they wont make the cigarette companies stop making them, im quite certain if smoking was so unhealthy and bad for u people would rise up against the tobacco industry and put them out of the picture, when cops hunt for drugs do they go after the crack head or the crack dealer. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/22/2006 11:48:22 PM | It's not about the cancer...It's about the bad breath!!!!  | |
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Joy.
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:51:57 PM |
in a society of hypocrites that accepts all the deviances of humanity ie pedophiles murderers, rapists etc etc etc. funny how at the forefront on peoples minds is the smell of smoke . in a bar full of alcoholics and drunks, prostitutes drug addicts, u name it, to focus on the scent of a cigarette seems a tad inane
Speaking of inane, this is probably one of the more inane comments I've read. I seriously doubt the 'smell of smoke' is 'at the forefront on peoples minds'. It is much more than that. And to suggest that people are more accepting of pedophila, murder, rape, etc. than they are of smoking is absolutely ludacris. Smoking (non smokers) is the topic of this thread afterall.
You have every right to defend your nasty habit. It's your life, your body. I cannot tell you how many people I have met in the chemo-infusion suite who said they never thought past the cigarette they were smoking. Never really thought about the damage being done to them on the inside. Never thought how torturous the treatment to attempt to cure them would be. They only thought how good that cigaratte was at the moment and how much they enjoyed it. How smoking was one small pleasure in their otherwise crazy life. Living for the moment and now fighting for their life. Funny how their perspective has changed.
We all have to live with our choices. Some will die from them as well. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/29/2006 9:45:14 AM | | notice u didnt mention a thing bout the alcoholics inside the bar, how come we set up an unhealthy environment to cater to drunks a habit which is far more devastating to the lives of both they that do and they that dont , yet at the same time totally negating the existance of a person partaking of a cigarette and we put them in the snow and shun them like criminals.chemo units and cancer is a given for everyone, be it from smoking or from technological reasons ie ozone layer depletion nuclear sciences etc. anyone can see that a group is being targeted and alienated and yet another group isnt , im commenting on the unfairness of it nothing more,, not defending smoking but merely attacking the political opportunists that try to make it seem like this is the best course of action, if ya gonna tackle a problem dont just skin the surface, cut out the issue totally and get rid of it , drs and organizations have profitted off suffering for ages, ergo the overmedicating and drug companies making billions in profits every yr on bogus cures, yet for some reason a smoker seems to b the leading cause of everything wrong with society, were termed as careless callous n cold unfeeling ppl with no worries cept for the next cigarette and puffin it into the faces of innocent non smokers.for ur info we dont blow smoke in ur face, smoke just goes out not unlike the exhaust of ur automobile | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/29/2006 9:46:00 AM | How on earth is smoking healthy for you? What a load of BS.
As long a drunk doesnt get behind the wheel he is no harm to me.
Smoking is in the air. Second hand smoke kills. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/29/2006 10:13:27 AM | No its true, the cigarettes toughen up the lungs. I try to get at least 3 sets of 15 puffs every morning, my lung feels fantastic, and I am completely immune to coal dust and smog. Rock. Without smoking my lungs would get lazy. You have to challenge them.
And smokers being blamed for everything. Right. Its true. Smoking is the gateway to true evil. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. You can tell by the cloud of smoke. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 6/29/2006 10:27:14 AM | Like I said sunmaiden...
To each his own...
All I am saying is that some try to justify that they smoke....why justify it? (not necessarily you) Anybody in their right mind knows that smoking is NOT good for you. If ya wanna smoke go right ahead....but smokers shouldn't **** because others don't care for it. Non-smokers have every right to not like smoke. And honestly I don't know where anyone gets that non-smokers are soooooo against smokers....I have never seen, in all the years I had been around my mother when she smoked seen someone come up to her and yell at her, "how dare you smoke in here!" What do you people want? For non-smokers to pat you on the back and say, "Great job on that smoking addiction, way to go, go for it pal." Doubt that will ever happen.
I care that people smoke because it is bad for them....but I don't down someone for doing it either...as I said before...to each his own.
Drinking caffienne isn't good for me...but hey I do it anyway...but not gonna tell some anti-caffienne person the reasons that I do drink it.
Drink, smoke, have sex with all different kinds of people....you are free to do with your life what you want to do. But please don't be offended because someone chooses not to do those things. | |
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