| non smokers
Posted: 7/7/2006 12:13:22 PM | SPF 30 can prevent skin damage from the sun.
Not smoking can prevent damage to your lungs.
Somethings you can prevent, some things you can not. Pick your posion.
"n no depending on ur seizure types medication public fears what they dont like/ know about "
Still trying to decipher that line?? | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/7/2006 12:15:33 PM | | All I really know is that I feel better about myself and am in better health since I quit. It has been one year and two months since I quit. Before I had to use an inhaler for asthma at least three times a week. I have used it twice in a year and told the doctor we didn't need to reorder a refill. I am not self-conscious about how I smell or yellow teeth anymore, that is really worth more then the money I am not spending on them now. | |
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Dru
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 153 | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/7/2006 6:02:08 PM | | if some people dont wanna smoke thats good for u but some of us do and if they can make places/room for ppl who drink then they can make rooms for ppl who smoke canada is a big country...ppl die more from drunks who drive than from ppl who smoke.thats just reality | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 12:03:31 AM | | You're talking out your @$$. What a ridiculous statement re: drunk driving deaths vs. smoking related deaths. There is no way you can prove that. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 2:40:55 AM | it should be outlawed everywhere. It's so freaking disgusting. I can't believe people get addicted to this gross and filthy habit. Why do you waste your money to shorten your lifespan?
I know it's been outlawed in buildings and stuff, but it should be banned from the streets too. I HATE walking the streets of downtown Toronto and then walk into a cloud of invisible nastiness.
If you want to light up, you should be brutally killed so that when you get to hell, you can give the devil himself cancer.
Just my opinion--yes harsh but I hate smoking with a passion. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 5:42:36 AM | | Dude what the hell are you talking about? Smoking is never better then not smoking. Take it from someone who knows. I am 31 years old and I started smoking when I joined the army when I was 18. Smoking was a social thing for me and always was. I would say that I was a moderate to heavy smoker, about a pack a day. Back in April of 2006 I was at work and was having a hard time breathing and flet dizzy, I was taken to the hospital and stopped breathing twice in the ambulance and almost died 2 more times at the hospital. It turned out that I had a blood clot in my lung, an pulminary emblosim(sic) that can be connected to smoking so much. I recovered and I have not had a smoke since, I have not even had a craving. To not smoke means making a total lifestyle change, including what you do in your off time and who you spend time with. To not be a smoker feels way better then being a smoker ever did. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 5:53:12 AM |
Speaking about second hand smoke why would anyone go where someone is smoking in the first place.
Well, 5-10 years ago there weren't any places a non-smoker could go because of a few smokers. Restaurants, bars, clubs, concerts - everywhere you went you were exposed to smoke. And only because of a few smokers. I like the new laws. There are not that many smokers in Toronto to begin with and if they want to smoke let them search for places where they can smoke (less and less). Heck there was a time when people smoked on work in the office.
Anyway, keep finding justification for why you smoke and keep trashing the non-smokers. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 6:03:15 AM |
but come on the laws are insane, they are not to protect non-smokers they are to force people to quit.
Oh, finally someone who understood. Exactly what they want to do, but they know they can't get to lifelong smokers - they want to get to those that might try to start smoking. I completely agree. If you don't curb smoking: by laws and high taxes, there would be more people smoking. Notice the difference between Europe and North America.. | |
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libbyv
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Joined: 8/17/2005
Msg: 160 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 6:04:25 AM | I don't like being around anyone that smokes. It's a dirty habit and it makes you feel sick being around it. What I don't like is the people who are smoking around you don't even ask you if you mind or not, so a person has to end up moving away from them. They don't care that your health is being affected as well as there's.
Plus who wants to kiss someone that smells like an ashtray, plus the smell is all over their clothes . | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 8:10:44 AM | Well I think insane laws are control and you give the government control and your not free, in texas they just had a big thing. The cops busted people in a hotel walking up to there rooms for being drunk in public. There was a big problem with that, the people got all bent out of shape with that one. Now I don't drink, and I don't like being around drunks, and I don't like kissing drunk women either, but I agree this is taking it too far and if asked if I wanted to pass a law saying you can't drink anywhere but your home I would say no. But I guess I'm wrong, since i don't like drinking, next time they want to pass a law that, or better yet bring back prohabition, I'll be out there supporting it. Next time the pmrc wants to ban certain music, I'll jump on it, I'll fight for the bands I like but if I don't like a certain type of music hell yeah, make it illegal.
Its all about me!!! (Not) | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 8:16:41 AM | | I hear your frustration. BBQing is a major cause of cancer too because of the smoke. You get loads of wrinkles in the leather face when you smoke, and you look and smell like crap when you smoke and your waste you life on those freezing balconies smoking outside in the night while people are sleeping. You get limp dick too. I hear you can't get a hard on after about five (5) years of smoking. Drinking too. Anyway you cut it, smoking is one of those things you have to stop doing. It may be fun but it is rediculous. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:00:51 AM | .ppl die more from drunks who drive than from ppl who smoke.thats just reality
*There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 – 39 percent of the total traffic fatalities for the year.
(http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
*Cigarette smoking kills an estimated 264,000 men and 178,000 women in the United States each year.2(http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/Tobacco_Related_Mortality_factsheet.htm)
*About half of all Americans who continue to smoke will die because of the habit. Each year, about 438,000 people die in the US from tobacco use. Nearly 1 of every 5 deaths is related to smoking. Cigarettes kill more Americans than alcohol, car accidents, suicide, AIDS, homicide, and illegal drugs combined.(http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Cigarette_Smoking.asp?sitearea=PED)
*during 2004 represent an average of one alcohol-related fatality every 31 minutes.(http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html)
*Currently, more than 4.9 million people worldwide die prematurely from smoking and tobacco related diseases. This represents about 1 person every 8 - 10 seconds.(http://www.quitsmoking-4-life.com/)
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Hmm seems your reality is a bit off then. | |
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Dru
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 164 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:07:35 AM | You're talking out your @$$. What a ridiculous statement re: drunk driving deaths vs. smoking related deaths. There is no way you can prove that.
Uh yeah there is, and it's really easy. Go buy a pack of smokes. Health Canada uses half the pack of every pack of cigarettes to deliever anti-smoking advertisements/public health messages. One of those messages is a graph showing other majore contributers to death in Canada and smoking's contributions to death in Canada. According to the pack of smokes, 75,000 people a year die in Canada from smoking related illness. I believe vehicle accidents is one of the other graphs on that advertisement and it's no where near the figure for smoking | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:42:19 AM | Smokers.....Why not just give up the fight. there is no way you can justify your nasty and unhealthy habit.
You have every right to slowly kill yourself if you want. Just don't expose me, my family or friends to it. Also, don't expect the world to make accomodations for you. If you want to smoke do it in your own house (when the kids are away or in your own car). I hate having to walk the smoke gauntlet to enter public buildings due to all of the smokers huddled by the door getting their nicotene fix. I should not have to be exposed to that.
Lastly, quit quoting facts that you cannot support. It is not enough to say that second hand smoke is not harmful to nonsmokers. Where are your studies that contradict the numerous studies that have concluded the contrary? Drunk Drivers kill more people annually than smoking? Please, the numbers don't lie and they say the exact opposite.
Try as you will, you simply cannot justify smoking. Sure there are other harmful things in our environment. But many are not optional. We simply cannot live without cars. However, we can live without smoking, and live better. I fully accept how addicting cigarette smoking is and how extremely difficult it is to stop. Especially with tobacco companies doing everything they can to make them more addicting. Maybe all you smokers should take some of your anger that you are directing towards nonsmokers and direct it towards the tobacco companies that have manipulated nicotene levels to make their product so damned addicting and have lied to you about this. Despite this knowledge you still buy their products and proudly wear their logo on clothing etc.........
Shame on us for not enacting laws to curb smoking or to severely limit it. I sincerely hope that in my lifetime I see the day where smoking is not allowed in public. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:44:52 AM | What I find sad are smokers who do it in front of their kids, in the car with their kids, and seen some even holding their kids and smoking.
How selfish can you get? | |
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Dru
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 167 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:53:16 AM | ^^^ only thing i disagree with is the smoke gauntlet. In the past smokers had dedicated rooms that were used just for smoking. So the only way you would be exposed to it, is if you entered that room to have a smoke, so it was your choice to expose yourself to it. Now we are not allowed to have those rooms anymore that are dedicated to smoking. So we have to go outside to smoke, where do you want us to go? All the way back home to our house while we are on our coffee break to have a smoke?
What should really be happening is nicotine should be banned. It should be classified as an illegal drug, and treated as such. This doesn't stop the tobacco companies from making their products, it's just causes them to find a way of removing nicotine from them. Once the nicotine is removed from tobacco, the choice to smoke is put back into the smokers hands. Right now the choice to smoke is in a chemical in our brains. Zyban is one of the best stop smoking aids I have used. If I had refilled my perscription I probably would be a non-smoker right now. And yes I will be trying to quit again. Yes there are side affects to using Zyban, but wiegh those side affects with the ones you already accept when you smoke, nothing compared to tobacco.
Of course removing the addicting agent from a product is going to cause demand to drop off for that product. The government and a lot of people rely on the tobacco industry for gobs and gobs of cash. This could be replaced in part by legalising pot. A lot less people smoke pot than cigarettes, it's not an addiction and you won't find people smoking doobies on their coffee break any more frequently then you will find someone popping into a bar for a beer on their coffee break. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 9:57:34 AM | Just don't stand right by the door so everyone has to pass through it. Go away from the door....far, far away. It's not any colder over there than it is by the door.
The fact that people are willing to huddle outside in -20 temps to have a cigarette just confirms how addicting those little killers are!  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 12:15:35 PM | | Dru... I said there is no way to prove that drunk drivers kill more people than smokers. Never said there was no way to prove the opposite ;) | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 170 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 12:41:41 PM | ok now since everyone says non smokers are more likel to get lung cancer than a smoker, how healthy of a lifestyle is it really to b a non smoker a fter all? i mean cmon them studies prove smoking is better protection from cancer t han non smoking. what ya all think?
Smoking is an appetite suppressant - FACT. There was a time when the anti-smoking
lobby was saying it wasn't...if you've smoked, you'd know the
anti-smoking crusaders were blowing smoke up your butt.
Many people who quit smoking do in fact find their weight shooting up quickly. I know for
me when I quit for 3 days I was eating everything in sight. I was gaining weight
quickly.
So, here we are at a dilemma..... do we take a chance that we MIGHT get lung
cancer, or do we take a GREATER risk that we'll become obese and suffer
a miserable death from obesity-related diseases??
I'm able to smoke 1 pack a day and run 3 miles 5 days per week. I can out run
most non-smokers. My stamina is impeccable. My doctor say's I am in
perfect health - cariodo, heart pressure...the works. She of course
suggests I quit smoking but she see's nothing physically wrong....in fact
she says i have the body and health of a 25 year old and I'm 40!!
In a sense, I give credit, in part, to cigarettes. If I had become fat, I'd never
have the will power to stop eating....my mind is too easily 'hooked' on vices. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 7:22:19 PM | lol so hook yourself on carrots, quit smoking, and keep running  People who keep smoking out of fear they'll get fat should just get the willpower to A) do some exercise and B) eat healthy food when they get hungry.
It isn't rocket science!!! | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 7:50:31 PM | I will stick to being a non-smoker and to staying away from second hand smoke as much as possible, regardless of any study.
Cigarette smoke is one thing that triggers my asthma, and I REALLY like to be able to breathe. :)
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/8/2006 8:13:42 PM | Not smoking can prevent damage to your lungs.
now this is so ludicrous it made me lmao, all these lil no smokers cryin bout second hand smoke n here we have it in a lil verse,
all the stats bunny popped up as far as smoking "related " deaths
whgat are the classifications for smoking related deaths? i have lots of friends n acquaintances that smoke n not one of em has died from it. . how do u know it was tobacco smoke that caused there lung cancer? do u have any idea how many thousands of things give u lung cancer these days?
guess most of these statements merely back up the viewpoint most non smokers are just puppets spouting off stats that really have no basis in reality, ur lipstick will give u cancer to as will all your makeups and perfumes, i would like to see them outlawed n see how many so called beuty queens there are left out there
and bunny nice tan, u realize tht causes cancer as well eh
so why do it, simply put u do it cause u enjoy it and u like how it makes u feel. so who am i to bi tch u out over it,
smokers dont want special rights n priveledges we just want ou=r normal human rights nothing more
id nvr complain bout a tanned bod tho thats just inhuman lol | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 174 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/9/2006 12:03:43 AM | I don't know if this has been covered because I haven't read all the pages but I found:
A researcher at the National Cancer Institute is suggesting that smoking may act as a preventative for developing a skin cancer that primarily afflicts elderly men
"Kids of smokers have LOWER asthma
Carbon monoxide is a by-product of tobacco smoke. A report indicates very low levels of carbon monoxide may help victims of heart attacks and strokes
Smoking Protects against Parkinson’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Alzheimer’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Ulcerative Colitis.
More research is going on searching for other benifits of smoking. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/9/2006 1:49:03 AM | 1/2 long term smokers die because of its effects. I'd like to see the statistics on the amount of non-smokers get cancer before i beleive this... smoking causes damage to the cellular structure of your lungs, this cuases cells to be replaced. The more cell production in an area needed, the higher the risk of cancer because of genetic defects cuased during reproduction. Cancer is a genetic defect in cells... therefore; the more production the higher the risk of defect... that study was a pile of BS that you read. That's like saying someone who has never had sex has a higher risk of contracting Vd...
also my asthma when i was a kid was becuase my parents smoked in my house when i was little. I had various allergy problems, and breathing issues in my youth... who would of thought my parents smoking outside completely got rid of my problems.
This forum reminds me of a "legalize Marijuana forum" - POT MAKES ME SMARTER! ... idiots..
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