| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 8:24:30 AM | I could careless if you choose to smoke. I know I am no better than anyone. Yes everyone has some bad habit...but my bad habits do not kill others who do not chose to engage in it.
So go buy a coat and go smoke outside, or in the privacy of your own home. | |
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Dru
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 202 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 8:46:02 AM | Okay if smoking doesn't affect your health negatively then why?
1. Do I wake up every morning coughing and hacking and spitting out some horrible thing that I can't wait for to disappear down the toilet.
2. Do my lungs feel sore, heavy, constricted.
3. Can I not taste as well as I could when I was younger (i like everything now, not like when i was a teenager, it's not cause my palatte has grown, it's cause I can't taste anymore)
4. Do I wheze sometimes, if i'm really quite in bed and listen I can hear it, sounds like the same thing those people hooked up to oxygen sound like.
5. Does our government spend millions of dollars on programs and advertising to get people to quit smoking or not even start.
6. Do I feel like I'm going to puke when doing cardio at the gym.
There are more, and if you think smoking is not bad for you, or it has health benefits, then please keep smoking. In fact smoke more, smoke as much as you can. Hopefully you will die before you have a chance to procreate so we can start killing off all the really dumb people.
People don't smoke because they like it, even when they say they do. They are lying to themselves. You smoke because nicotine enter's your brain and causes it to realease "reward" chemicals that make you happy and relaxed. I noticed a sign on a store the other day, "NICOTINE FREE CIGARETTES". If you smoke because you like it, go buy these, I gaurntee you won't make it through the pack. You're still smoking, but you're not getting the nicotine, and you will not get reward or statisfaction from it and you won't enjoye it.
I actually kinda wish these nicotine free smokes didn't say they were nicotine free on the package, I would like to try switching these out for regular smokes on a few people I know that say they smoke because they like it.
On a funnier note, I did suggest my buddy switch his wifes cigarettes out for the nicotine free ones. After explaining them to him, the terrifying look of fear on his face was priceless and I do believe I pissed my pants. The thought of his wife not getting her nicotine fixed scared the crap out of him. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 9:15:57 AM | | I too am an ex smoker I used to smoke a pack and a half a day and I quit cold turkey I chewed my fingers to crap and ate mints but had to stop that I was getting cavaties But now I dont miss it, I hate the smell on my clothes I hate kissing anyone that smokes weather you chew gum or not it stinks,I am trying to help my freind quit smoking not just cause of the smell I dont want to see her leave her son and me behind fron cancer! | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 9:48:34 AM | | if homosexuals can have their own bars why cant smokers have a place to relax n drink/coffee n smoke?? r we no longer humans??im not saying its the best habit there is but its the only habit i got so far and i enjoy it i dont smoke a pile maybe 3 pks in 6mths but when i like one id like to have it in a warm environment because i have epilepsy.im not asking to have u guys join me or pick up after me or anything but a few smokin bars should come back to accomidate the smokers...it must be a big thing im askin or something?these bars would be fully smoking bars if ur not a smoker then u just wouldnt go in there. we wont be any where near u non-smokers whats the prob???smokes arent illegal yet...when is government makeing it illegal?it would also get rid of us near the doors so u guys dont gatta be around it for the most part. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 11:00:38 AM | I'll give in that much. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his business, he should be allowed to. There should be signs clearly labeling it a smoking place, it should be a bar or some adults only place.
It is retarded that here in WA Casinos & Restaurants on Indian Reservations can allow smoking, yet a bar a mile down the road can not allow smoking. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 2:25:39 PM | Then there would be no need for a law because any place could just allow it. And, just like they used to, many probably would, in order to make more money. Then the rest of us non-smokers would probably be in the same boat we were in. Can't go anywhere without smelling that crap. Away from the doors? Yeah, that'd be nice. Behind the building in the alley would be even better, though.
I know a lot of smokers and non of 'em have a problem with goin' outside, summer, fall, spring or winter. And I live where it gets cold in the winter. So quit b!tchin' and just go outside for your nic fit. GOSH!!  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/10/2006 9:09:33 PM | | OK.. So the stats on smoking causing cancer and all the other ails in life attributed to smoking is a little whacky. When they were coming up with the amount of second handsmoker related deaths they took all the deaths and went through and found out if they were living in with someone who smoke.. Then they just assumed that they died because of second hand smoke. These findings were contested and brought before congress and congress pretty much told the FDA or whoever that they were full of crap. BUT that doesnt mean that they still cant throw all these so called findings all over the place.. Ah well. Im a smoker and i know its badfor me and thats why i set a date in the near future to quit. I like being able to run more than a couple of miles before my lungs start to wheeze. However smokers arent 2nd class citizens either. Their people just like everyone else. To treat a smoker like complete and total dog shit because you happen to smell smoke is a little ridiculous. I could rant on but i think i made my point. Course someone is gonna call me misguided or some such non-sense but hey thats your right. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 4:08:42 AM | | I get told by people who drive cars, eat a lot of fast food, have stressfull jobs, and lay out in the sun for hours and hours that I shouldn't smoke........ That it will kill me. 1st. Duh, 2 and 2 is 4. 2nd. Why waste their breath? Especially since they seem more concerned with breathing than me. The time it usually takes smoking to kill you is around the same time that tanning, bad diet and stress do too. 20 years smoking here..... I'm still alive I think. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 9:50:23 AM | Funny, how so many of you are willing to support the findings of ONE elusive study that no one can seem to accurately reference versus the MANY studies that are against your position.
So many of the points the smokers are trying to make are invalid in this discussion. You keep quoting things like tanning, fast food, etc. that so many people do that are bad for our health. I agree that those things are bad for you, but the big difference is those things only harm the person doing them. There are no second hand problems to people that choose not to indulge in those activities. Smoking, on the other hand, when indulged by one has harmful effects on others that have choosen a healthier life style. Again, we will have arguements saying the studies that prove this are flawed, but we will have no documented studies negating the effect of second hand smoke.
So, the crux if this discussion is not the individual right to do harm to your self by making unhealthy lifestyle choices. You have that right, you have the right to harm your health in anyway you see fit...drinking, smoking, fast food, tanning etc. But you do not have the right to do something that has documented proof of harming others. So please, if you want to smoke, do it in private, in your house, your car, out in a field away from others. Just don't make those of us that have chosen a healthy life style for our selves suffer from the choices you have made.
If anyone can provide reference to that elsusive Chinese study that claims smoking is actually good for you I would be very happy to read it.
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 9:59:33 AM | I've already posted in this thread before a while back so I'm not going to rehash things except to say they should simply invent a self-contained cigarette that only affects the smoker themself and then neither side would care in the slightest who smoked and where (well maybe the littering aspect would still be brought up  ).
The reason why I'm posting again is an interesting thought occured to me as to why some people find smoking relaxing:
If you think about it, it's all about taking a few moments away from it all to engage in slow, purposeful, deep breaths. Sure there's the nicotine fix soothing your cravings, but what I think makes smoking seem relaxing to beginners is that they're basically engaging in the same practices as meditation... Taking a time out, clearing one's mind, breathing slowly to regain a sense of personal rhythm and relax the body...
It makes me wonder how many people out there may have simply been duped into accepting this addictive fix when a Zen/meditation class may have quite well provided the same benefits... 
Food for thought, at any rate. I'm not claiming this to be a credible solution, just speculating and wondering if anyone has considered the same thing...  | |
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Agtbar
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Joined: 7/8/2006
Msg: 211 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 11:18:48 AM | People conjure all kinds of excuses for or against this addictive habit which has been proven by the same so called 'experts' to be right up there with crack and alcoholism addiction.
People lets face it we are all going to die one day, just how fast you choose to get to the grave is your choice.
As a competitive cyclist i can safely say that a smoker cant perform on a bike as good as a non smoker because they just dont have the lung capacity, and this will also go for any activity that requires you to breath deeply for air.
Its no big deal right since smokers lead sedate lifestyles anyway due to the fact they cant breathe properly so they arent worried how fast or fit another is.
However those that have quit and stayed off the sticks will tell you they dont regret it one bit,, but its your choice, mine is that i'm not licking no ashtray lips. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 7:04:43 PM | | how does pushing the smokers out of a building fix the problem and the radiation off the tanning beds do affect the public just like a microwave does. pesticides affect ppl in a global way. ppl find so many excuses y smokers r bad but we arent any different than the drinkers,or tanners or car drivers in this world...and im not saying its not a bad habit so is tanning and food. and ppl do relize the affect of those so called medications for smokers? they accually kill organs and give u more side affects than being good for u? just like viagra is suppose to keep ur "stiffy" up it accually over time makes sure ur"stiffy"nvr stays up ever!just a thought (just thought the men should know)but pills r plentiful and acceptable in the world. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 9:55:19 PM | Do you even read any of the posts, 1search? Buddy just said how tanning and eating junkfood don't hurt other people: only the people doing it. Smoking is hurting other people around you (unless you dont' exhale). And, yes... the car thing is valid, but unless you can get everywhere you want by walking/biking/whatever, you're going to need a car. People SHOULD drive less. But the fact that person A drives and pollutes the air doesn't mean it's ok for person B to smoke and pollute the air too. If you can't even put together a decent argument, just stick with "screw off, I like smoking, and if you don't like it, screw off."
As far as other buddy who said they just assumed the people who lived with smokers died from second hand smoke related illness... did it ever occur to you that maybe they looked at this person's lungs and saw they were fncked up royally yet the person wasn't a smoker but their spouse and friends were? Just a hunch, there... | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 9:57:43 PM | How is a tanning bed going to harm anyone but the person laying in the bed?
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 10:18:09 PM | | I suppose there could be some kinda radiation comin' off it to fry somebody who's standing next to it, but why would you stand around a tanning bed for prolonged periods of time unless it was to catch a glimpse of fitnessbunny when she gets out | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 10:23:07 PM | | lol they do not even allow other people in the booth with you. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/11/2006 10:52:35 PM | | ^^^^ i wouldnt get near a booth you came out of Fitnessbunny, you are hazardous to the health of young american females. I Delete messages from fake people without reading them. Lawyers are not dumb enough to waste their time with fake people. LOL. Does quintessential ring a bell? | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/12/2006 4:08:00 PM | | And lawyers wonder why they have such a bad rap. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/12/2006 6:27:07 PM | | microwaves have the same type of radiation as tanning beds which blows threw the environment and is cancer causeing...same as smoke,sun and foods.so it is the same...just like cars... same way smokers feel and im not even a big smoker (3pks of smokes do me for like 4-5 mths usually) I just can see both sides of the issue,smokers should be able to relax n smoke if they like but non smokers should be able to stay away from it if they desire,so the cure to it is have a few places that r for smokers only and the rest for non smokers then there is a choice for all. they figured this out for homosexuals i think smokers n non smokers should be able to do this too...im not trying to attack anyone just make a comparism. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/13/2006 11:15:54 PM | Not everybody is hooked on something that is self-destructive, and/or destructive to other people around them.
Driving is a NECESSITY in a great many cases. If it were not necessary to drive, people would not spend thousands of dollars per year to do it. Smoking is not "necessary" for anybody. There's a difference between a necessity and an addiction. I can't believe you're still trying to make this very lame argument work. It borders on stupid. By the way, you say you don't whine about exhaust, etc, but I think you've done it in 3 posts in this thread - I could be wrong.
Suppliers are NOT to blame for people smoking any more than McDonald's is responsible for obesity or liquor companies are responsible for alcoholism. PEOPLE make decisions to consume these things, not the suppliers. If they (not we) did, we would ALL be obese smoking alcoholics so they could make monsy off all of us.
I DO think I'm better than people who smoke in that I'm not doing something that's harmful to myself and others by choice. Not that I'm better morally or smarter - ust in that one respect. If you come up with that lame car argument one more time, I'll know you're ust retarded. Seriously, that argument is stupid as hell. Hate to be harsh, but you've used it so many times, and it's annoying. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 4:03:15 AM | I have to say that I love living in Colorado when it comes to smoking. The state just passed a "no-smoking" ban (took effect 7/1/06). That translates to there being no smoking allowed within 15 feet of a main entrance of any public building. That means two things specifically in my case.
- I don't smell like smoke when I come out of a club or a bar anymore.
- I can stop complaining about people getting smoke breaks at work while I have to continue working. Why should someone's addiciton give them special privledges? | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 222 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 12:47:31 PM | A new Airline has been launched to cater to smokers. It is a low cost airline
created by a smoking-executive tired of being told to butt out. The seating
is all leather with state of the art entertainment systems.
On this flight, you can drink and smoke all you want.
BTW: to the non-smokers, do not make an application for the job because
it's hazzardous to your health. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 1:36:36 PM | | I still like being a non-smoker, except for the funky green phlem that I have been coughing up this past week.. I'm sure its from all the smoke I breathed in at the bar Fri night/sat morning.. Ohwell Love the bar, aslong as I don't cough up a lung I'm all good | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 3:43:23 PM | I'm 23 and I'm a smoker. I have been smoking for 12 years Yup thats right 12 years. I started when I was 11 and thought it was cool. Now I'm having a hard time quiting not to mention how expencive it is. I belive that if people want to smoke then let them. it should be there right to after all its there body, but i dont think that they have a right to force other non smokers to smoke. go out side if you have to smoke and make sure your up wind so they dont get the smoke. Be respectfull.
its the same as having religious people knoking on your front door. I dont want to be bothered with that If i wanted to join I would, its the same thing with smoking. I dont force any one to smoke.
Did you know that in the typical home that the smoke hangs around for hours after unless you have realy good ventalation. so If you think your guess aren't smokeing your cigerett an hour after you had one. Better think again. | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 225 | |
| non smokers
Posted: 7/14/2006 3:45:44 PM | "i'm a non-smoker!!" you know you're dying for a pat on the back
when you want it for NOT doing bad things. Next I'll here "Hey, I don't do
crack!" Good for you!!! | |
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