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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 7:02:18 AM | Freezing the prices of goods and services and raising wages to something truely grand would make the economy go nuts. Freeze interest rates, etc.
Actually, maybe someone on here could explain the problem with this to me, using small words.
What could be wrong with this picture? High wages, goods and services dirt cheap. All it would do is turn us into a nation of consumers...which we already are. So what if the economy runs hot? Maybe it should. Doesn't lead to a crash if the same wages and prices are forced to be kept. The time it crashes is when business is allowed to set prices for their product, and get greedy. Simply do not allow this. Banks should be forced to set their interest rates at a fraction of what they have them now. Keeps the money and good flowing, and no more employment problems because we would all be making a good wage. No more worrying about medical bills...we could pay for it. No more worrying about housing...we caould afford decent housing.
A lot of people would want a lot of things. If the market drives the price, then we have a problem. If the price is frozen, along with the idea that domestic use is fulfilled before the ability to export is allowed, then we could be far better off. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 7:27:56 AM | Ok quick economics class. Costs go up prices go up. A business will pay a worker the value of what the job is worth. If a worker produces $6 an hour should the business be required to pay them $7.50 an hour? If you agree with this please feel free to start a business and show me how you will make a profit. Before you start with the evil profit bit think about it why would someone want to run a business at a loss? And do you think that people should be paid more than they produce?
The CEO question is an interesting one. If a companys value goes up based upon the leadership of the CEO should he be rewarded by the stockholders for that? For example GE, if Jack Welch increased the value by 1 billion dollars would 10% of that increase be fair?
As for taxes in the US anyone making min wage pays no income taxes other than SS and Medicare. All is refunded and they may qualify for EIC which means they may get back more in a refund than they paid.
Also try to find a study that says raising the minimum wage gets people out of poverty. You won't find one. You will find many studies that state that raising the minimum wage decreases the number of jobs available.
If you would like to help people at the poverty level lobby for increased job training so these people don't just qualify for entry level jobs. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 8:15:03 AM | Okay here is a faster economics class... take everything you were taught about economics and THROW IT OUT ITS WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG did I mention WRONG? The facts of history do not bear it out.
First here is the basics. There is NEVER been any actual evidence that that raising minimum wage decreases jobs. There are studies and research saying it would but the fact is since minimum wages were introduced, and raised there has NOT been a job loss caused by it. I pretty much need to repeat this because people tend to be dense. THERE HAS NOT BEEN JOB LOSS DUE TO MINIMUM WAGE you will find no survey, audit, census, or number that says it has. In fact employment has grown. So take that bit of folly and toss it out.
Second Pay has almost never been based on merit, reality is a company will pay people the lowest amount it can regardless of the level of productivity and work they put in. This has been the leason of offshore/outsourcing. Which by the way never works either. The entire reason minimum wages where enacted was because employers were infact exploiting workers and we are seeing it again now. With record profits companies have expanded executive pay but frozen or dropped all other employment costs.
The CEO question is a laughable one. No matter the performance of the executive they have seen a raise simply as a matter to "keep up appearences" with other competitors and their packages far exceed their actual contribution. The facts are those who have most to do with the sucess of companies tend to be in the lower portion of the payscale anyway. Vision as it were is highly overrated to actual performance.
Instead of swallowing hook line and sinker the republican littany of lies and the half truths taught by corporate invested schools of buisness try actually doing some research at your local library. The truth of economics would shock you. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 8:27:35 AM |
Good post some will refuse to GET IT....
Have the 12 states that raised the Min wage....
and the many Metro areas with a LIVING WAGE all fallen on hard times...
Huge job loss...prices out of control...Depression
Not
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 9:57:27 AM | Economics Minor Accounting Major. So my basic premise of costs go up prices go up isn't right?????? mmmmm I will have to review my 25 years of accounting for businesses I must have missed something.
I must have also missed seeing the market drive wages up and down. I must have been dreaming when unemployment is low and McDonalds pays $8/hr with 401k + benes and they still can't find enough help. And I must have not noticed layoffs when companies sales dropped.
I must also have misread that of the 80 or so million Americans on an hourly wage only 500,000 or so are making min wage and of that number many are teenagers or part timers.
Stop with the Rep vs Dem bit what drives wages everywhere is the bottom line. What drives the bottom line is sales and expenses. If the market demands lower prices companies have to find a way to lower costs in order to stay in business. That has been true throughout history. Wanting to help the poor is a noble cause and we should find a way to help those less fortunate than ourselves however we should always realize that there will always be poor people the thing that will change is who they are. Many poor people are poor for a short period of time then work themselves out of it then others, some due to no fault of their own, become poor. This has been tracked through census and many other studies. I have been broke and I have been wealthy so I have seen both sides. Min wage jobs do not lift anyone out of poverty, job skills and education do. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 10:32:11 AM | How about this:
Fire the Corporate fat cats who do little but get paid way too much.
Keep the factories in the USA
End Deficit spending
Make it easier to open a new business in the USA
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Raise the minimum wage (I thought the emancipation proclamation ended slavery) | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 10:46:38 AM | "Economics Minor Accounting Major. So my basic premise of costs go up prices go up isn't right?????? mmmmm I will have to review my 25 years of accounting for businesses I must have missed something."
Your basic premise is not right its based on more then anything else rehtoric because for the most part costs don't go up. First off the initial development is what costs the most, once a product is developed costs go down, effiecencies start to take over market penetration occurs on and on it goes. Yes one can increase costs beyond the profit margin but that would only occur in very rare circumstances if the product had any value to start with. What you missed was sociology and history in favor of preplanned rote theory. Had you studdied sociology and history you would see the inherit flaws of the position you espouse.
"I must have also missed seeing the market drive wages up and down. I must have been dreaming when unemployment is low and McDonalds pays $8/hr with 401k + benes and they still can't find enough help. And I must have not noticed layoffs when companies sales dropped."
Market does not drive wages up and down uneven competition and political involvement either at the industry,local, or federal level does. For example if one was in the early 80's 90's to compare the skills and abilites of local talent in steel vs foriegn there would have been no basis to even consider migration of the industry off shore. However because they could pay less to have the work done overseas with no protections they moved it overseas and by and large did not reduce their prices. Unemployment is low more as a feature of people who have left the job market returning to things such as advanced schooling then by the real numbers of unemployed this has been explored at length elsewhere, but even so McDonalds has such a large employment pool that they will turn away people because they are "overqualified". You obviously haven't researched as much as you think you have. Layoffs have been more generated by executive greed then loss of sales for the past 10 years.
"I must also have misread that of the 80 or so million Americans on an hourly wage only 500,000 or so are making min wage and of that number many are teenagers or part timers."
You Definately missread that. Infact the Department of labor says 546,000 report earning exactly the federal minimum of 5.15 an hour. Now here's where the tricks get kicked in.. 1.6 million more made less then the federal minimum which is about 2.1 million total making federal min or less. It gets more fun my dishonest friend 18 of the 50 states have minimum wages ABOVE the 5.15 an hour federal and so the tend to get lost in the rehtoric of lies about this subject, of those 18 states are the most populous such as California and NY. Which by the way also shoots down the lies about lost jobs from minimum wages. If one rechecked to see state by state one would find more then 75% of hourly works actaully make the minimum allowable under the law.
The largest exposer of this economist, corporate sponsered lie is this bullet from the Department of Labor
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# Among the four broad geographic regions, the West had the lowest proportion of hourly-paid workers with earnings at or below $5.15 (about 2 percent), while the South had the highest (about 4 percent). For a number of States, the proportion of hourly-paid workers earning at or below the Federal minimum wage exceeded the national average; in many other States, the proportion was much lower. Some States have minimum wage laws establishing minimum wage standards that exceed the Federal level of $5.15 per hour. (See table 2 and table 3.)"
The Western States by and large have minimum wage laws exceeding 5.15, the South having the highest continues to prove the point because there are no laws requiring above 5.15 in any of the southern states except florida.
"Stop with the Rep vs Dem bit what drives wages everywhere is the bottom line. What drives the bottom line is sales and expenses. If the market demands lower prices companies have to find a way to lower costs in order to stay in business. That has been true throughout history. Wanting to help the poor is a noble cause and we should find a way to help those less fortunate than ourselves however we should always realize that there will always be poor people the thing that will change is who they are. Many poor people are poor for a short period of time then work themselves out of it then others, some due to no fault of their own, become poor. This has been tracked through census and many other studies. I have been broke and I have been wealthy so I have seen both sides. Min wage jobs do not lift anyone out of poverty, job skills and education do."
The bottom line is a non existant factor. What drives everything is what people are willing to tolerate. For years americans invented amazing electronic devices but the owners of those patents IBM GE XEROX did not want to spend the money to refit to produce and sell those items. So the japanese bought those patents and incured the costs and are now the electronics leaders on products created here. Moral of the story...stogy economists and executives do not lead the country and bring value.. they destroy it.
Min wage jobs do not lift out of poverty but they can delay a fall during corrective times but not anymore unless the minwage is brought in line. Anyone who bothered to THINK rather then repeat rote would know that. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 11:00:41 AM | "Keep the factories in the USA"
Good idea but what if they can't make things here at a low enough cost for people to buy them. Don't get me wrong I prefer it but if the market will buy an item for $100 and it costs $130 to make it here how long can the factory afford to stay open.
"End Deficit spending"
Sounds good. By the way, did you pay cash for your house, if not you participated in Deficit Spending.
"Make it easier to open a new business in the USA"
Go ahead no one is stopping you. I've done it and part of my work is helping others do it.
"Raise the minimum wage"
Oh wait this could stop you. You may not be able to afford to hire someone. Not really but this kind of makes my point if you own a small business who do you want to determine how much you pay, you or the gov't? When you become a business owner you will see how much all of the rules and regs cost. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 11:06:56 AM | "End Deficit spending"
Sounds good. By the way, did you pay cash for your house, if not you participated in Deficit Spending.
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This is in reference to the morons who spent the $trillions in the fedreal budget. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 11:45:56 AM | "Your basic premise is not right its based on more then anything else rehtoric because for the most part costs don't go up."
So my client's higher energy, medical insurance, raw materials, etc costs aren't real. I will be sure to tell them that.
"Min wage jobs do not lift out of poverty but they can delay a fall during corrective times but not anymore unless the minwage is brought in line. Anyone who bothered to THINK rather then repeat rote would know that."
Min wage is immaterial if the jobs aren't there. Not only do I think but I eat, breath and sleep with businesses every day for the last 25 years. I see the numbers not the rhetoric if a business does not make a profit it goes under losing all jobs.
"The bottom line is a non existant factor."
Have you ever run a business? Have you ever had to make decisions that affect other peoples lives? I have and still do. Most of my clients are business owners who make these choices every day. Hundreds of people have jobs today because of what my clients do in the real world. The number one expense they all have is payroll and related expenses for every dollar paid in salary the total cost is about $1.75 or higher. Nice research though good information try talking to individual business owners to get a upclose picture. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2006 12:12:07 PM | ROFL now you really are amusing me.
"So my client's higher energy, medical insurance, raw materials, etc costs aren't real. I will be sure to tell them that."
Please do but when you express it truthfully and not with the economist babble you have been trying to spin this all with. Your client's higher energy costs are due to illegal manipulation of the market and supply by the oil companies not any real change in supply or demand or cost of extraction or cost of refinement infact those costs all went down.
Medical insurance went up for exactly the same reasons instead however it was caused by pharmacutical companies charging at profit rates ruffly equal to 300times the cost of production. etc. It goes on and on ohh yes on the surface the lies pedaled about how much items cost says costs are going up... but they aren't
"Min wage is immaterial if the jobs aren't there. Not only do I think but I eat, breath and sleep with businesses every day for the last 25 years. I see the numbers not the rhetoric if a business does not make a profit it goes under losing all jobs."
The jobs are there which is the whole reason they go through the outsourcing insourcing relocation crap. and it is crap. The jobs need to get done they are going to get done by someone the question is how much can you exploit them to make the most money for the least deserving. You eat breath and sleep propaganda that keeps you employed even if you provide no real value. You see numbers that really don't exist. Witness Enron. The fact was they created the california energy crisis in the first place with false numbers and lies, and had no real product behind them. They would have continued to this day if the Investigation into the energy crisis had not broughtout the fact that Enron had no real product. Simply put you see nothing but illusion.
"Have you ever run a business? Have you ever had to make decisions that affect other peoples lives? I have and still do. Most of my clients are business owners who make these choices every day. Hundreds of people have jobs today because of what my clients do in the real world. The number one expense they all have is payroll and related expenses for every dollar paid in salary the total cost is about $1.75 or higher. Nice research though good information try talking to individual business owners to get a upclose picture."
Have I ever run a business, yes infact I do. Have I ever had to make decisions that affect other peoples lives? In fact yes I have and do, i'll one up you. If I made mistakes people died, not some fanciful imagination result you use to justify.... they would DIE. So do you really want to play the drama game? You play games with numbers and think its real. Your clients delude themselves into believing they actually do something for their business's most of them likely do not. Most of them more then likely based on what you are discussing are just investors which frankly means they are using and risking the money made by the employees that actually do productive work.
I work and live in the business capital of the world the bottom line as you like to say is I do know what the realities are. You however do not. Which is obvious by your emotional but factually devoid response. You cannot refute my facts and so you just continue to chant about jobs. No jobs are lost that is the fact more money in peoples pockets would me more product purchased because it is also fact that those at the lowest wrungs are the ones who spend percapita the most. Vast numbers of people are not making enough for the hard work they do, and America's values of rewarding hard work are being lost and destroyed by arrogant and ignorant folk like you who can quote a surface talking point but cannot face actual facts. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 12:55:09 PM |
I am amused. You have no idea what I do and who I do it for but you are willing to use insults to make your point. Bills are bills and no matter what you say about energy costs and medical insurance costs the bills have to be paid with real dollars. Not figments of my imagination not wishfull thinking that everything in the world should be run better.
As for my clients you know even less, they have created jobs that were not there before by suppling products and services that were not there before they came up with a new idea. They also started these businesses with their own money risking everthing. My job is to help them grow and create more jobs and more opportunities. We all work together and all employees of each company are stockholders. That is to me part of the American dream, work hard and get rewarded. So your comment on exploiting the workers is as you put it, crap. Do I get paid for my work? Yes. Do my clients make more money because of what I do? Yes. Am I being exploited because my clients make more money than they pay me? No. In fact if they didn't make more money than what they paid me they shouldn't pay me because I didn't do my job. That's the way things work in very simple terms.
Your comment of rewarding the least deserving is interesting. Is a business owner who risks his own time and money to start a company undeserving of making a profit while employing 100 people? If you think so good luck finding people to start a new business with that point of view.
No rhetoric no spin this is everyday life. I am very happy doing my job and making everyone better off from the owners to the lowest paid employee. I would not enjoy being you with your very bitter view on life. Do I know the world has problems? Sure but I can only work with my piece of it and I do it well.
We have gotten way off of the original topic of min wage. I propose that we end this by agreeing that you and I have different points of view on this and we agree to disagree. | |
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| Senate CORRECTLY refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 1:23:27 PM | It has NOTHING to DO with the "working poor" (if there IS such a thing; YOU of all people; certainly wouldn't know). I worked at minimum wage jobs for several years; I didn't understand the true meaning of minimum wage law and affect upon the economy for quite a few years. THEN, one day, I decided to start my own enterprise...WHAT an awakening!
Minimum wage is designed and used by the Labor movement(?) to qualify their rank & file more wage increases under Cost of Living Adjustments (COLA). Raising the minimum wage "pushes up" the union's scale and negotiating power. Now, "THEY" certainly aren't "working poor", ARE THEY? If they ARE, they need to de-certify their union because the Union is not delivering benefits for the dues received.
For you to presume that GOVERNMENT compelling the private sector to pay higher wages to people of low or limited qualifications is a "reach", at best. I think it would be VERY fair to suggest that YOU should put your money and your mouth in the same place...Let's see YOU hire and pay for benefit and wage costs on someone AND successfully compete for the business you're in; and then we can ALL watch and see how YOU react when your government comes along and TELLS you through government WAGE LAW that "you're too greedy"; YOU need to pay your employee's MORE!
When you started your business, and you were running on a shoestring and blind luck; and eating macaroni for dinner everyday because you cant afford HOT DOGS; who cared about YOUR minimum wage?!?
Oh yeah; that's right; YOU've NEVER owned a business...you couldn't POSSIBLY have a true opinion of this issue; because you are simply economically and experientially UNQUALIFIED to make a comment on it! Certainly NOT to the extent of the private sector! You certianly got the Liberal viewpoint down cold; too bad you have such limited understanding of basic Keynesian economics.
Regardless, I find the incredible ignorence of the views you've unwittingly adopted to be at the least; MILDLY amusing. Try looking at BOTH sides of an issue before forming and expressing public opinion. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 1:28:48 PM | ohh I agree we disagree but we haven't gotten off the topic. You did :) I pointed out chapter and verse on why your position is smoke mirrors lies and in the end untenable.
You tried to defend your postion not with facts but with emotional attempts to present yourself more experienced and knowledgeable in the fields of the discussion. I rejoined each of those and refuted it and again challenged you to provide anything resembling facts to your position you have again failed instead trying to defend your "expertise" as basis for arguement. While yes I am willing to make insults to make my point they are ALWAYS backed by facts. You however have no facts only repeated rhertoric and smugness .
Here once agian is the fact.. and increase of the minimum wage can ONLY benifit all workers from the bottom to the top. This has been born out time and again historically the only people who have been against this have been Economists who have been shown to be wastes of money time and again, and executives who have had to return what was never theirs to begin with. And thats the bottom line. As far as being bittter yes I am
I have served my Nation and my State and infact your State with honor and I have seen the people woahfully abused and mistreated against every fabric of what the Constitution was for and our Founders believed while listening to faceplates spout party lines and hide in their coffers crying pauper while true paupers die.
Do you know the world has problems? no because you hide yourself saying someone else or something else will fix it... well it won't YOU have to do it as much as I do and the only way for that to happen apparently is someone to hit you upside the head with a clue by four. Your peice of it should be to educate people on the reality of economics what you have shown here has been only exploitation of greed and ignorance.
You want me or anyone else to believe different... give me some evidence or fact to support your allegation about the negatives of increasing the minimum wage. Not studies.. FACTS. Show me job loses...show me business closing doors .. As I already stated you can't because it NEVER happened.. but thats the rules of the dance.. if you cannot then call your friends alll over and tell them and your clients to get the minimum wage raised. | |
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| Senate CORRECTLY refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 2:12:05 PM | " It has NOTHING to DO with the "working poor" (if there IS such a thing; YOU of all people; certainly wouldn't know). I worked at minimum wage jobs for several years; I didn't understand the true meaning of minimum wage law and affect upon the economy for quite a few years. THEN, one day, I decided to start my own enterprise...WHAT an awakening!"
It absolutely does have to do with it, and as I said to Big show any factual evidence it has had and effect on the Economy because every bit of actaul non baised reseach says it doesn't.
"Minimum wage is designed and used by the Labor movement(?) to qualify their rank & file more wage increases under Cost of Living Adjustments (COLA). Raising the minimum wage "pushes up" the union's scale and negotiating power. Now, "THEY" certainly aren't "working poor", ARE THEY? If they ARE, they need to de-certify their union because the Union is not delivering benefits for the dues received."
This is just complete propaganda and really doesn't deserve discussion but if you REALLY have nothing better to do then espouse it at least know your history the first Wage laws were not even on US Soil but on New Zealand and then Australia and then the UK and then Massacusetts in each case specifically to combat the exploitation of Children and Women laborers and without union involvement. In otherwords you have no merit in this comment.
"For you to presume that GOVERNMENT compelling the private sector to pay higher wages to people of low or limited qualifications is a "reach", at best. I think it would be VERY fair to suggest that YOU should put your money and your mouth in the same place...Let's see YOU hire and pay for benefit and wage costs on someone AND successfully compete for the business you're in; and then we can ALL watch and see how YOU react when your government comes along and TELLS you through government WAGE LAW that "you're too greedy"; YOU need to pay your employee's MORE!"
In fact that is the purpose of Democracy and the reason that business's and corporations until this recent and most corrupt government were not considered people and did not have right of representation. Our founding fathers knew well the dangers of Capitalizm uncheck through the actions of the dutch east inda company and so were very careful to leave the power of regulation in the consitution both Federally and Locally. For you to presume differently shows your ignorance of history and the law. When you are creating slave labor in nation that has forsworn slavery that is the dutyof that government no matter who you are.
"When you started your business, and you were running on a shoestring and blind luck; and eating macaroni for dinner everyday because you cant afford HOT DOGS; who cared about YOUR minimum wage?!?"
No one but that was my start and I was my only employee until I was bringing in enough work to justify and being able to afford another one. But that was my plan.. you apparently just went full swingwith employees and didn't worry about having the work and therefore income first. That works in some cases too.. Different plans different risks, doesn't change the issues.. I could not hire at minimum wage anyway I'm in a skilled market so you REALLY don't have a leg to argue with me.
"Oh yeah; that's right; YOU've NEVER owned a business...you couldn't POSSIBLY have a true opinion of this issue; because you are simply economically and experientially UNQUALIFIED to make a comment on it! Certainly NOT to the extent of the private sector! You certianly got the Liberal viewpoint down cold; too bad you have such limited understanding of basic Keynesian economics."
Ahhh I have the limited understanding of basic. *school of* economics.. of course the fact that you mentioned a school also shows that there are many viewpoints on how things work. The fact that Keynesian might very well be wrong of course never enter the mind.
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Regardless, I find the incredible ignorence of the views you've unwittingly adopted to be at the least; MILDLY amusing. Try looking at BOTH sides of an issue before forming and expressing public opinion."
Funny I at least provide facts for mine not babble about them. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 4:33:59 PM |
free market.....
Good idea lets get rid of child labor laws. work place standards, all of it ...
works well in the third world..
uh, that's not what I said. labor laws are good...the minimum wage is outdated | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 4:43:46 PM | It might appear all these laws are Outdated....we must eliminate the burden of regulation???
We just cannot compete anymore...Corp America does not make enough profit...
otherwise we would not be outsourcing
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"Keep the factories in the USA"
Good idea but what if they can't make things here at a low enough cost for people to buy them. Don't get me wrong I prefer it but if the market will buy an item for $100 and it costs $130 to make it here how long can the factory afford to stay open.
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 4:54:34 PM | | The true cost of living in the inner city in Washington DC makes minimum wage look well below the poverty line. If people made $25 an hour/40 hour week they could barely break even with the cost of rent/mortgage if they decided on living anywhere within 15 miles of Washington DC. Let's see, mathematically speaking that means a 200 hour week at minimum wage would break even. That means you'd have to work around the clock if all you got was minimum wage from place to place. For those who are only able to make minimum wage, and lack the skills no wonder there are more and more homeless. Of course by the same token, to employ at least one person yourself at a living wage, you need yourself to be making at least twice that amount just to pay them. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 4:04:26 PM | | Raising the minimum wage will primarily benefit teenagers, who will promptly spend their new found wealth on pot and beer. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/24/2006 4:19:20 PM | Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/23/2006 7 46 PM
It might appear all these laws are Outdated....we must eliminate the burden of regulation???
We just cannot compete anymore...Corp America does not make enough profit...
otherwise we would not be outsourcing
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"Keep the factories in the USA"
Good idea but what if they can't make things here at a low enough cost for people to buy them. Don't get me wrong I prefer it but if the market will buy an item for $100 and it costs $130 to make it here how long can the factory afford to stay open.
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Yes we can. We haveto end the publicly traded company thing and have all c0mpanies privately owned.
I noticed that when the companies are privately owned, they will grow. Slow, but there will be growth. And the instances of fat cats will be really put to question.
Publicly traded companies have the curse of crybaby short term thinking share holders which the company in turn will start selling elements ofthe company to appease ssaid cry babies.
Also get rid ofthe overpayed underworked fat cats. They are but a cancer that shouldbe removed. There are legions upon legions of ethical people who can do the job far cheaper.
FDR was right about how high a person should ever make.
As for manufacturers being in a America, that is still a good possibility.
We should have the same universal health care as in Canada, since we are paying taxes.
That would ease the burden from the manufacturer. I am surprised the firms have not approached Huilary Clinton on this. The facotries need not be unionized and need not pay very costly wages. For chrissakes these guys are not engineers and scientists.
Do we really want crap and I do mean crap made in China?
Even the Japanese, The Koreans, the Germans have been opening plants here in the USA.
SO itis a cop out from the US corprate interests that we can not make anything here in the good ol US of A.
All we need is to vastly improve the education of our kids here.
I would say use the same education material as in the best private schools/public schools and use that as a template. If some school districts say they can not afford the material, dump the athletic programs and keep the much needed schooling material.
What is better, computers and latest and greatest text books or some stupid footbal equipment...you make the choice? | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/24/2006 4:35:59 PM | Studies show that raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty. In fact, for some subgroups, minimum wage increases appeared to raise the level of poverty This is because as employers are forced to pay more for employees, jobs are eliminated. Every economist knows that as prices rise demand falls. In this case the demand is for the individual.
BIG W you are right on the money with your statements....
Any narrow minded supporters of a raise of minimum wage should read that article.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/24/2006 4:51:15 PM | "I would say use the same education material as in the best private schools/public schools and use that as a template. If some school districts say they can not afford the material, dump the athletic programs and keep the much needed schooling material.
"What is better, computers and latest and greatest text books or some stupid footbal equipment...you make the choice?"
If im not mistaken, this is already going on as we speak. Such acitivity is also reason why there is an alarming growing rate of obesity in the younger population. In my opinion, this has got to be the worst possible route. Health has got to be the most important thing going, without it, you have nothing. Taking such action will only contribute to the obesity problem even worse.
Having all the latest material and computer knowledge is the wave of the future, but it means absolutely nothing if your bones and muscular stature are so weak, that eventually it will be a monumental task to get up from your computer at work. Or even worse, suffer a heart attack on the stairs on the way up to your job.
When your training for something, it is far easier to build a strong health foundation in the long run rather than just going to the gym because you know you should | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/24/2006 5:07:25 PM | #4 and #11 from Bill OReillys Top 40 Conservative Beleifs
4. If it weren't for profit-seeking businesses, none of us would have jobs.
11. Conservatives believe in helping individuals with their own money. Liberals believe in helping themselves to other peoples' money. | |
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