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 BryonNC

Joined: 3/12/2005
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Posted: 6/24/2006 5:12:58 PM
Well,that's good,it does not help when they do that,it causes companies not to hire people that do make minimum wage,the only people that are mad about that are people that only desire to make minimum wage.You sound like you fall into that category.
Republicans did a great job by getting rid of that,now the people that don't have any ambition should start getting some and quit wanting a hand-out.
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 6/24/2006 5:14:00 PM

Studies show that raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty. In fact, for some subgroups, minimum wage increases appeared to raise the level of poverty This is because as employers are forced to pay more for employees, jobs are eliminated. Every economist knows that as prices rise demand falls. In this case the demand is for the individual.

BIG W you are right on the money with your statements....

Any narrow minded supporters of a raise of minimum wage should read that article.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html


This is just dogma dressed up as research. Businesses that hire at minimum wage do so because they can. They will pay as little as they have to. Which means that they hire as few as they have to as well. Yes, some businesses will get dinged if the minimum wage goes up, but the benefits outweigh the costs. Businesses set their prices based on what the market values their services at, not what their costs are. If it costs you $10 to make a product you will sell that product for as much as you can; if it's $20, you charge $20; if it's
$200, you charge $200. Industries that rely on minimum wages are essentially subsidized by the taxpayer (through social programs) and by the misery of their employees.

Take janitorial companies for example: we know through recent news stories that Walmart uses them and gets the lowest price they can. If all those companies have to pay their workers a living wage, that will be reflected in the rate they charge. Even companies that depend on keeping wage costs as low as they can will be competing with other companies facing the same laws. People should be able to survive if they work full time.
 BryonNC

Joined: 3/12/2005
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Posted: 6/24/2006 5:23:16 PM
I just read more in this thread,you people wanna live in a socialist state,well,the Soviet Union is gone now,Reagan won the Cold War for us so that problem would be eliminated.
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 6/24/2006 5:38:12 PM
Boy, Byron, you're seeing socialists everywhere. Better go check under your bed. I hear they like to hide there. Oh, and Truman won the Cold War. Every President after him just followed his rule book.
 AcesDJD

Joined: 6/19/2006
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Posted: 6/24/2006 6:16:29 PM
It seems like a lot of people on this thread are swallowing Republican lies hook, line, and sinker. Unregulated Capitalism is a nightmare for the average worker. If you don't believe me, do a study of 19th century Industrial America, and read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

Businesses are greedy heartless entities. Let me get this straight, Jack Welch deserves a big bonus when GE stock goes up, but the workers who did the actual WORK deserve no extra compensation? Not everyone in this world can become a CEO, and how many of you who started your own businesses grew up in a relatively affluent family, accrued no debt while going to school, and probably had a lot of family contacts. Yes, there are always rare examples of people who grew up in the ghetto, and despite all sorts of setbacks, through intelligence and hard work were able to rise above it. But many of these people were probably born with unusually high intelligence, and have decent luck or at least not bad luck once in the business world.

Not only are some people probably not capable of rising above a certain level, but the world would not function well if everyone could become leaders of business. We need the janitors, the factory workers and others to make the world function. Should they be making say the equivalent of $50 an hour? No, but an ambitious person will not stick with a job like that even if they are making $20 an hour because even if they can live on the money, they know there are more fulfilling jobs out there, as well as even better paying opportunities.

As far as the minimum wage goes, yes very few people make $5.15 an hour now, but its not hard to find people making around $6. I'm sure these people can save all kinds of money though and start up their own business no sweat. They better not get sick though because it will take them a hundred years to pay back those hospital bills being that they are uninsured. And if you're going to talk to me about Medicare and Foodstamps, well why do we need such programs? Wouldn't people have more pride and dignity if they could provide for themselves?

This is getting too long, but I want to touch on one last point. A lot of you are thinking very narrowly. Yes, just about anyone with a decent work ethic will not stay a McDonald's server forever. But if McDonald's can get away with paying $6 an hour, than the next rung up on the job market can get away with paying $7. And if that job pays seven, well than they only have to pay the manager $9. And on it goes. Keeping the minimum wage low hurts everyone except for the fat cats at the top.

Don't tell me about lazy liberals. I have known several conservatives that I've worked with that do the bare minimum and probably should be fired from their jobs, but yet they complain about these supposed liberals with no ambition. They create these imaginary people in order to make themselves feel like useful contributors to society.
 toonsmith

Joined: 1/19/2005
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Posted: 6/24/2006 6:18:43 PM
The time will come. If they won't raise it now under House Neocon arrest....then, we wait for the sweep in two years.

Just wait for the turnover, as I am sure this will be on the agenda to discuss during debates.

It makes cold hearted self-centered neocons look soooo appealing to the American Public...which, by now, are getting VERY sick of how this administration has performed.

I tip my hat to the true conservative Republicians who gave great speeches during the recent ten hour debate about our troops. They spoke of the "irresponsible spending" that goes counter to what a true Republician believes in. They know this administration has been a disaster and rightly spoke out against the war, the spending and what's going on...and THEY were Republicians.

They were not the "neocons" that you find yelling at the disabled, the elderly and the mentally ill, to "get a job".

These people who give the Republician Party such a bad name, should just go start their own party. Donkey, Elephant, ....and now Weasel.

The time will come. 2008 is just around the corner.

Goodbye to the "Neato-we-conned ya" wackos.

History will remember.

Pay raise for congressman...no pay raise for congressman's janitor....and the janitor will say "Let em eat blue cake.".


Toon
 bigw13

Joined: 1/1/2005
Msg: 57
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Posted: 6/24/2006 6:51:43 PM
Wow did I miss a lot by going out. As you all may have noticed I do not use any political lines at all. I try to keep it to dollars and cents.

My point is very simple about min wage. If the gov't decides that min wage is $7.50 an hour the employer must pay that, plus the assoc. costs so let's estimate the total at $11.00 per hour. What if the job only creates $9.00 worth of value to the business? Wouldn't a prudent business owner be crazy to do that? Would you buy a car for more than its worth?

So before anyone goes off on a rant that I am a cold hearted **stard that thinks people are cars stop. I don't, but a business looks at cash flow, exp and profits, it is not a business's goal to provide a good living that is a byproduct. A business by succeeding and growing will provide a good living to more and more people. We all make financial decisions everyday and we all try to get the most for our money and we try not to pay more than something is worth. That is common sense, so why would a business operate any differently?

My thought is a min wage job is for unskilled workers, why don't we use our tax dollars and set up better education and job skill training to help people become skilled workers. That is a win win they will make more money there by paying more taxes which should then pay for their training that got them there. To me that makes more sense in the long run then telling business's what they have to pay regardless of what the job is worth.
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 6/24/2006 7:24:30 PM
Well,that's good,it does not help when they do that,it causes companies not to hire people that do make minimum wage,the only people that are mad about that are people that only desire to make minimum wage.You sound like you fall into that category.
Republicans did a great job by getting rid of that,now the people that don't have any ambition should start getting some and quit wanting a hand-out.
______________________________________Byron

Next time you dine out and consider a 5 or 10% tip for the server...They for the most part do not make min wage...its too high ...

Pass along your wisdom.........lazy and should go get a job...stop asking for a hand out...

Stop by a day care ...old folks home....find some of those lazy persons looking for a hand out..


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My thought is a min wage job is for unskilled workers, why don't we use our tax dollars and set up better education and job skill training to help people become skilled workers. That is a win win they will make more money there by paying more taxes which should then pay for their training that got them there. To me that makes more sense in the long run then telling business's what they have to pay regardless of what the job is worth.
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I loved to hear this better education...the same clowns that say this wont give a penny for vocational or education of any kind...

why have min wage...why have any labor standards (safety....child labor)...

american business cannot compete... you want a third world county???


States with higher min wage and the cities with a living wage seem to be doing better than the rest of the country...



 yna6

Joined: 5/2/2004
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Posted: 6/25/2006 6:31:53 PM
Big difference between a "living wage" and minimum wage.


Perhaps we should freeze prices while increasing wages by 15%...allowing the market to start moving up in ways we have never seen before. Inflation? Eliminated by the freeze. People will have a better chance of using their dollars as real buying power rather than just subsisting on what they make. This is always good for the economy, and for the people in general.

Seems any minimum wage increase is immediatly eaten up by a sudden increase in housing, tax, foodstuffs, etc, so again, the people are no further ahead.
 CountIbli

Joined: 6/1/2005
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Posted: 6/25/2006 7:24:28 PM


Perhaps we should freeze prices while increasing wages by 15%...allowing the market to start moving up in ways we have never seen before. Inflation? Eliminated by the freeze.


This will simply result in scarcity of goods and services. We know this because this is what happens in countries with price controls (e.g. Communist Russia).
 wild49child

Joined: 11/24/2005
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Posted: 6/25/2006 7:43:33 PM
why the hell should they, if they did they couldnt afford to give themselves that fat raise they gave themselves for sitting on their as**'s doing nothing but suckin it out of us.
 sweet5red

Joined: 4/23/2006
Msg: 62
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Posted: 6/25/2006 7:47:11 PM
Louisiana is among those that already voted to increase Minimum wage from 5.15 to 6.15 an hour.. I am a state employee and its pretty bad when you make what i do and have to choose between food and medical insurance.. and No i dont live beyond my means.. My house isnt fancy.. and i am buying it.. I make what use to be middle income but its now considered very LOW .. and i qualify to get my diabetic and cholesterol meds thru social services at my work.. that helps alot .. Sweet N Louisiana
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 6/25/2006 9:06:01 PM
I heard an ad for a town in LA..needs like 15 cops...starting pay $7.15..........

Day care in the United States today... Most day care workers only make $5-9 an hour

Average Salaries for EMT's and Paramedics
Alabama
EMT Min Wage to 12,500 per year
Arizona
EMT 8,000 to 20,000 per year
Arkansas
EMT Min wage to 17,000 per year
Colorado
EMT 9,000 to 22,000 per year
EMT-I 10,000 to 25,000 per year
idaho
EMT 9,000 to 25,000 per year
indiana
EMT 10,000 to 22,000 per year
Kentucky
EMT 9,000 to 22,000 per year
Louisiana
EMT 10,000 to 17,000
North Carolina
EMT 9,500 to 13,000 per year
EMT-I 10,500 to 14,000 per year

just some look up your own state.......

When your laying there clutching your chest in pain from the big one...tell the EMT he should get some ambition....

How much does a CEO make???????????? ha $50k a DAY!!!!!!!!ha





 LuvMunky

Joined: 4/2/2006
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Posted: 6/26/2006 12:17:00 AM
I agree, it makes no sense to expect a family of three to live on the current minimum wage. So why do people do it? If Child Services takes children away from abusive parents who don't take care of them properly, why don't they take them away from people who decide to get a McJob and then start a family?

I'm all in favour of anyone's right to have kids. But I'm also in favour of everyone's responsibility to themselves, their spouse, and their kids. If everyone excercises their "right" to have kids they can't afford to feed, who is going to feed them? So many people seem to think that the government has infinite money and should take responsibility for those who won't take it for themselves. But that money comes from taxes, and if everybody's making less than they need for themselves, how are they going to pay enough taxes to take care of everyone else?

Maybe having a minimum wage is a good idea in a lot of ways. But remember that the higher it gets, the more companies will be forced to demand of their potential employees, and the more people "at the bottom" will be unable to get a job at all, thus increasing the demands on social assistance and therefore taxes on those who are working, thereby in effect lowering everyone else's wage. There's only so much money to go around. You can't create more if it simply by giving more of it to people doing low-end jobs. Think of the country as a business. The way to generate more money is to generate more and/or better work. And today's kids are less motivated than ever to work hard for their future. They're disillusioned and don't have a lot of faith, trust, or expectations in/of the job market or the government, so they're reluctant to get involved. Look at how many votes the American Idols get compared to any politicians, for example.

Gone are the days where the average person finishes school and gets an average job which pays for an average house and an average car and a whole family's living expenses. Now it's finish school, finish some more school, work hard to find a job, work hard to make an above average impression at it, work hard to climb that ladder or find a better one to climb, and keep working hard; marry someone who is also working hard; eventually you can afford to have kids, and if you're lucky, they'll be more influenced by your example than by everything else they see around them. And a lot of their friends will be flipping burgers to pay for video games and MP3 players etc. and manage avoid learning that they need to do better than that and start planning for their future.

Life in the U.S.A. and Canada is getting harder, but people are getting less willing to do it. The feeling of entitlement is increasing even as the evidence of entitlement is decreasing. Pushing the government to push your employer to pay you more for the same work is no substitute for pushing yourself to become capable of better paying work. Sure, some just can't do it - spouse left, have to work full time and take care of the kids, so no time for school, etc. - but some could do it but just can't be bothered.

I think the problem has to be addressed socially/emotionally rather than monetarily. So how do we fix a societal problem like that? Probably harder to solve, as it can't be calculated on a spreadsheet.
 toonsmith

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Posted: 6/26/2006 12:37:24 AM
Well, we can take a look at how other countries are doing it. America is certainly not number one in many respects.

France and Ireland do a lot more to integrate the mentally ill into the community.

The standard of living seems to be pretty good in Sweden. What are they doing right?

We should take a hard look at what works in other countries and take note. There is no doubt that we have been going down a path that is taking us in the wrong direction.

Too much reliance on fast food. Our communities have slowly turned into one gigantic golden arch from coast to coast. Signs everywhere.

We are losing small town America. We are losing our community to a corporate world.

We are losing our sense of family, culture and becoming more and more isolated. Think about it. How many close friends DO you have? Generally speaking. A poll recently said most of us maybe have two, maybe three?

There are towns near San Diego that only rich people live in. But the bus system brings in hundreds of minimum wage workers from miles away to do the menial labor. Then, by 5:00 pm , the buses roll back out.

Eventually, maybe Sony will just buy out America.

Just call us McAmerica

Toon
 LuvMunky

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Posted: 6/26/2006 12:43:22 AM
Regarding politicians making $170K a year:

It's not enough.

Think about it. We're not talking about a kid out of high school or an unskilled labourer. If your car needed a new engine installed, sure, you'd hope to be able to pay the mechanic as little as possible, but you'd still want the best mechanic for the job. And the guy who fixes your brakes? He'd better know what he's doing, no? Now what if you needed heart transplant to save your life? Would you prefer a low-paid surgeon fresh out of med school, or a brilliant, highly successful (and highly paid) surgeon? So now, what about the person who installs policies that effect the way your country runs, and enables you to live the way you want to? What's that worth? If someone could keep the terrorists out, think up a way to largely solve poverty, make taxation and corporate regulation fair and effective, etc. etc. - what's that worth? Would you be willing to give him $1.00 a year of your own money to do that for you? If so, that's what, about $30,000,000.00 a year salary in Canada and ten times that in the U.S.A.?

Maybe our politicians suck because their jobs don't pay enough to attract decent workers. Why would a brilliant person who can really get things done take a job in the government? Would Bill Gates take a job at McDonkey's? Maybe if we offered a decent wage we could attract decent leaders. $170K is peanuts. Ontario alone spends $14,000,000,000.00 per year on public education. That's one province. There's a hell of a lot more money involved in running a country than most people can really comprehend. And look at what our sports heros make, just to entertain us! We pay a guy millions to play a game to amuse us, but complain about having to pay someone a few hundred grand to run our country for us. Doesn't something seem out of whack there?

The only motivation people have for seeking political leadership is power. I think we should be a lot more careful about who we hand that power to, and what we allow them to do with it. And I think we should try to attract better candidates, and maybe better pay is part of that.
 Terrorblade

Joined: 3/31/2006
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Posted: 6/26/2006 8:49:21 AM
^^^

Not a bad way of looking at it. On the flip side of the coin, it could very well just attract even more people who shouldn't be there. Higher pay would attract me to doing that, but I dont think people would want me running the province or the country lol

Perhaps politicians shouldn't be in a position of power, but more of a position of spokesperson. Let the public decide where they would like their tax dollars spent. Have cards sent out each year or something to each person and they can tick off what they want their tax $$$ to be put towards that year. That way it'll make the politicians life alot easier, they would not need a pay raise, and no one would realistically have a right to **** at them. We would have no one to blame but ourselves if something was underfunded and a service was severely hindered.

Anyways, just a thought.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 6/26/2006 10:35:49 AM
You guys are breaking my heart and i have made a completly change of mind...how can these poor guys make in on $170K.....

Run for office and you need how many millions???
They have to be in someones pocket to start....

With the end of the middle class in this country you will see many more people making it on the low end...
starting $5.15 per hour...
 LuvMunky

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Posted: 6/28/2006 12:04:24 AM
You guys are breaking my heart and i have made a completly change of mind...how can these poor guys make in on $170K.....


Sounds like income jealousy to me. Do you have anything else to offer, like maybe a criticism of the job they're doing, or some reason they shouldn't make that much (other than your own bitterness)? Maybe the real source of your anger is your dissatisfaction with your own income. You can blame your politicians if you feel they are somehow responsible for your income, but how much they make has nothing to do with that - they will either influence your income with their policies or not, regardless of how much they make. And that attitude is surprising coming from someone who says he's self employed. You are more directly in control of your own income than most Americans are.

There are more people in the world who would kill to make $5.00 or $6.00 an hour than there are those who make that much. Maybe they begrudge "those rich Americans" who can make enough to buy three meals a day and have enough left over to buy clothes. It's all relative. I met a guy who at his peak made $700K a month and had a million-dollar month. He said his friends in the oil business couldn't understand how he could live on it. He was the poor boy in that crowd. It's all relative. You don't have any more right to tell them they make too much, than the guy who works for twelve hours a day and is still starving has to tell a guy making minimum wage in the U.S. or Canada that HE makes too much.


Run for office and you need how many millions???
They have to be in someones pocket to start....


Dunno what you're saying here. The money has to be in someone's pocket? The politicians do? Neither of those makes sense, so what did you mean to say?

I don't care how many millions a politician makes, because I don't intend to be one. But if a new political party took over and "fixed" the country, I'd certainly hope that every member of that party was paid more than enough to live on and be really really happy with. I'd also expect each one of them to keep working hard for that money, doing the things that keep the country working, or get out of the way for someone else who will.

You say you're self employed. Do you have staff? If you did, or do, would you not believe in paying them enough to stay interested in their jobs, and doing the best job they can for you? Of course you can't justify paying them more than your business makes, or paying them more for the same job that someone else would do for less. But what if they were the best workers you could imagine, and as a result, your business made a lot more money for you? Would you not reward them? Why not look at the country the same way? One example: The question of Quebec separating from Canada discourages foreign investment in Canada. That's a direct example of incompetent government costing the country money. So it would be a net gain to put highly paid and highly capable people in charge who can resolve the problem and encourage the investment.



With the end of the middle class in this country you will see many more people making it on the low end...
starting $5.15 per hour...


Huh? Are you saying that people will somehow be more able to make it on less money? How so? Do you think the end of the middle class will bring prices down?
 vivid

Joined: 6/26/2006
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Posted: 6/28/2006 6:48:36 AM
Why would the senate raise the minumum wage when they are for the rich elite.

People seem to misunderstand that the conservative stand on religion and the
'conservative value' is window dressing. Their only intention is to represent
the rich and to hell with the middle class and poor. Yet, the poor keep
electing this bunch.
 ashley1861

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Posted: 6/28/2006 7:20:05 AM
Munky is totally correct in his assessment of the situation. Raise the minimum and people will lose more jobs. Bottom line.
Right now the small business owner cannot create new products because last year's products are left sitting in warehouses because people are purchasing basics, not luxuries.
Gas is a big drain on the average budget.

I am in the gift industry, on the manufacturer's end and I have a multitude of manufacturing friends who all sing the same woes... sales in most manufacturing facilities is close to half what it was 1 year ago and that was half what it was 10 years ago. Big & small manufacturers are hurting.

People are purchasing products made overseas and sold direct to distributors (think electronics). Otherwise, it's gift cards from Walmart, which buys direct from China, bypassing the local manufacturing economy.

Small business's are cutting the work force and learning to make do on the monies coming in.
Small business's are closing. Look at Main St., Downtown USA. Does it still exist in Your town? Not. Why? Big Box stores are getting the business.

What can we do about it? Get the money flow back to the little people, the little business owners, etc. Force Big Box stores to buy from our own nation.

More money into the economy will stimulate the economy, but raising the overhead from already drained small business is shutting that business down.

You'll scream at this... but get these illegals out of the country and you'll see those who are left, making more money.
We are all complaining and we didn't complain like this 10 years ago when there were fewer of us, making more money each.
 dogparkgirl

Joined: 2/12/2006
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Posted: 6/28/2006 9:31:00 AM
if the illegals leave America...your economy will collapse
Get real
REAL Americans don't work unpaid overtime at $5/hour jobs so you can have your $1.99 Mcburgers and $1.99 T-shirts.
YOU bought your economy.
Where do you think the money comes from to fund the politician's fat pay raises? The political contributions from some rich CEO that made billions off of the backs of their minimum wage workers.
Follow the money...
 yna6

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Posted: 6/28/2006 1:21:34 PM
The idea of a price freeze will not make a shortage of goods and services...it will expand the market for them, and the companies will fill in for what is needed. This has been shown time and time again. Example...McDonalds was giving away lego toys. The company had to expand operation and put on three full shifts to keep up with demand. They did not shut down when the demand slowed down. they expanded their product lines by making kits available with themes that are up-to-date. Where is the job loss? Where is the shortages? there are none.

The Soviet Union had shortages because they did not make up the differences...so, they lost out. If the demand is there, someone will sell it there.

As I said earlier...something comes along and eats up any increase given, just sloughing any increrases back up to the top of the pyramid. By spreading it a bit, we have more consumerism, and have more jobs, and more goods available, with more competativness. Am I gonna buy Tide at 14 dollars a box (price here) or the no-name that still gets my clothes clean at 7 or less? Using the same amnount of product per load? Why should I pay name brand prices, when all I am paying for is a name, their advertising, etc?? Let the people who have stock in that company make a bit less.

Tell me where a bank should make over three quaters of a billion dollars in profits, while charging exhorbitant charges to the little guy? Why should I be the one paying a bank to pay bills? Let the comapny that wants to be paid pay the charge. I don't need the expense. I'd rather send cash in a pre-adressed and postage paid envelope straight to the company. I may use the goods or services they provide...the privce of paying for it is not factored into the price of the goods or services. Either way, I pay, but should I be?

minimum wage with gov't subsidies on housing, energy, and food could be the norm, if a price freeze was in effect. Otherwise, the "working poor" are going to remain just that...busting their humps and being, poor.
 bob0colo

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Luvmunkey>>>>>>>>>

Sour grapes????...my income is not the issue here. Thanks for your concern.

Why a COLA for congress? Why not one for Min wage? .15 an hour too much?

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I'd certainly hope that every member of that party was paid more than enough to live on and be really really happy with. I'd also expect each one of them to keep working hard for that money, doing the things that keep the country working, or get out of the way for someone else who will..........The question of Quebec separating from Canada discourages foreign investment in Canada. That's a direct example of incompetent government costing the country money. So it would be a net gain to put highly paid and highly capable people in charge who can resolve the problem and encourage the investment.
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How do you get a senator for $122k in Canada????
You have Allowed MIn/wage to get so out of control in Canada???....huge hourly min wage and health care. Your economy must be in ruins??

Under paid Politicains and over paid peasents. We must correct this.....CEO's make at least 2 million a year... Better?


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There are more people in the world who would kill to make $5.00 or $6.00 an hour than there are those who make that much.
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Interesting idea on population control. Would you suggest import workers to fight to the death? or....neutral ground?

For the bottom feeder looking only at the bottom line...its time for the Fed min/wage to go away..
All Labor laws hurt profits... mining... childern...lunch breaks...

The bottom line ...employees are not an asset they are only overhead... reward them with a layoff...cut overhead
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Reid Vows to Block Congressional Raise Until Minimum Wage is Hiked
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday that Democrats will block the $3,300 “cost of living” raise Congress recently approved for itself until the federal minimum wage is increased. The wage has been stuck at $5.15/hour since 1997, thanks in large part to the steady opposition of the GOP, which defeated a Democratic proposal last week that would have hiked the wage to $7.25/hour. Reid pointed out that Congress’ salary has increased $31,600 during the period that the minimum wage has remained frozen
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Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/28/2006 4:45:23 PM
No economy survives long based on cheap labor. Somebody has to buy the products we sell. We are the world's market but now half of our workforce is making less than $8.00 per hour and if that does not improve we will no longer be that market. The argument that raising the minimum wage will cost jobs has never held up and has never been proven. The problem is not illegal aliens, not gasoline prices but is a shrinking middle class. Our workforce now works more hours for less money than they have since the Robber Barons ruled America.

Cheap labor causes a drain on everything, all social services, schools, creates crime etc. I don't think the Congress is asking for enough. I think $10.00 per hour is more reasonable. That is still the poverty line.
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