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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:03:24 PM |
The idea of a price freeze will not make a shortage of goods and services...it will expand the market for them, and the companies will fill in for what is needed.
Not if they can't make a profit on it. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 6/29/2006 9:01:42 AM | I think Uncle Sam was bought and paid for along time ago.
Consider that nobody cares about imigration. Business wants cheap labor and the unions want to sign them up as members.
The wars around the world serve the oil companies and arms dealers, terroism is increasing...way to fight a war.
If only the american people controlled the government and had it work in teir interests..........Wow there's a thought! No wait, they calll it democracy. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 1:07:36 AM | Food for thought:
For the past decade, the minimum wage has remained stagnant at $5.15 per hour meanwhile Washington politicians have given themselves eight pay raises totaling $31,600.
The average American CEO earns more in a half day of work than a minimum wage worker takes home all year. Earnings data shows the average chief executive earned 821 times as much as a minimum wage worker, the highest gap ever.
If the minimum wage had increased at the same rate as CEO’s salaries since 1990, it would be $23.03 and the average production worker would be making more than $110,000 a year.
Chief executives of U.S. corporations earned 262 times the pay of the average worker in 2005, the second-highest level in the 40 years the data's been kept.
A CEO earned more in one workday in 2005 than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.
http://www.seiu.org/issues/raise_minwage.cfm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/27/congress.wage/
http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=economicNews&storyID=2006-06-27T181516Z_01_N27254729_RTRIDST_0_ECONOMY-PAY-GAP.XML
"Executive Excess 2005," Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy, 8/30/05
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BC0E0F65C-7744-46A0-A151-04A840BF3DB1%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=&print=true&dist=printTop | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 3:40:14 AM | "Keep the factories in the USA"
Good idea but what if they can't make things here at a low enough cost for people to buy them. Don't get me wrong I prefer it but if the market will buy an item for $100 and it costs $130 to make it here how long can the factory afford to stay open.
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1. State of the art tech or Automation can improve the long term costs and budgeting.
2. Either cause the unions to ease up or the states would pass legislation and become RIGHT TO WORK states (actually means nonunion).
3. Keep the companies proivately owned. Companies get smaller or merge or become defunct on account of cry baby share holders. Private co.'s always grow but at a slow pace.
4. Keep at bay the silly compensation upper echelon exectuives desire..ie keep co. private.
5. If you can have the congress pass this ..Universal Healthcare. This burden is eased from the employer. The manufacturing base always grumbles about this. If we are going to be taxed anyways why not something we can all use...NOT Weapons of Mass Destruction (distraction?..haha) that we have stockpiled and may and hopefully never use (these things are rotting). | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 5:26:12 AM | | Hey Toon... seems to me that food and fuel aren't figured into the cost of living... I recall getting enflamed when I heard that. Food and fuel are going out the roof, and they index it on the price of a chinese toaster.... looks better that way.... | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 6:30:07 AM | You do realize that any cost increases incurred by business, i.e. raising the minimum wage, is directly passed on to consumers, don't you? For example, your local gas station that pays minimum wage to some kid in high school to sit and make sure that you get 10 on 4 will raise the price of a gallon of gas to make up for it's higher operating expenses. So that $3 a gallon for gas that you use as an example would end up costing even more.
The federal minimum wage was not designed to be a wage that will support a family. It was intended to exactly what it is - a minimum. There needed to be a way to protect minors and entry level workers in a time when labor laws were much less protective of the worker. We citizens need to stop looking to the government for ways to improve our lives, and provide for our families ourselves by working hard, improving our education, and being responsible for ourselves. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 6:32:41 AM | | Well, consider the fact that the average minimum wage worker only has the responsibilty of ensuring the french fries are cooked, whereas the CEO has the responsibility of an entire company's future to bear, every day which includes the jobs and futures of thousands of people. I would say that the difference in wages is justified. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 6:52:10 AM | Well, consider the fact that the average minimum wage worker only has the responsibilty of ensuring the french fries are cooked, whereas the CEO has the responsibility of an entire company's future to bear, every day which includes the jobs and futures of thousands of people. I would say that the difference in wages is justified.
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you must not have read many of the posts regarding Min/wage workers...i have posted
most states EMT's make min wage or very near ....that means what???
A CEO's responsibility is not to the JOBS it is to the bottom line...ONLY
you are dreaming if you think a CEO is not going to move jobs if the tax incectives are there....
payroll is overhead.. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 3:58:51 PM | The divide is growing between the have''''''''s and have nots. Yes, I''''''''ve noticed the price of food has gone up dramatically where I live. The state takes 36 cents off the top of a gallon of gas for taxes up here.
In rural areas, employers are going by the minimum wage. This is timber country where many are unemployed and jobs are limited. Congress should take many factors into account when voting on the wages that a segment of the population have to live on. There are many other types of people OTHER than the teenager cooking fries. There are the elderly who try to supplement their income because social security is not enough. Many other scenarios from all walks of life.
But no, the neocon has to generalize. They have no empathy. They dont want social services that cost a fraction of the federal budget. They dont want social security. They dont want welfare and some Neocons seem to want a genocide of what they consider "bums" and "trailer trash". The insensitivity of the neocon is astounding and it goes from the top down.
Government is of the people and FOR the people. If someone is making $170.000 a year. It is their responsiblity to listen and be responsible to ALL their people that they represent. That Includes the poor, the disabled, and the working poor struggling and working themselves to the bone. They are AMERICANS too.
If things get too far out of hand and the inbalance continues. History will repeat itself. Those who do not have...will rebel against those who have. It has happened time and again.
Think what happened over a trial in Los Angeles. Riots.
(Edit - some sort of computer glitch regarding grammer.^^^)
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/4/2006 8:34:27 PM |
If things get too far out of hand and the inbalance continues. History will repeat itself. Those who do not have...will rebel against those who have. It has happened time and again.
I've been saying this for months... I don't condone it but it is at some point inevitable.
If anyone in this administration had ever read a history book... perhaps they'd have a clue! | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 7:16:01 AM | of COURSE it works that way. If ive got a bucket of water (the world) and i stick a syphon hose (capitalism) into it, eventually the bucket will become empty.
Politicians all work within the framework of capitalism and capitalism is ruled by the rich, that is why the rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer. Its their system, it works for them, it isnt designed to work for us and it never will be for the people, in fact most people are totally expendable to their governments and full of bad gene pools and they wouldnt mind starting over a new society with all that technology they have been shelving over the vast years, when they have finished their Monopoly game.
Course you know every government is just a puppet government and the real power comes from companies that control vital and necessary functions on a world-wide scale nowadays.
I say, stop voting. If all of canada stopped voting and just stood outside the polling stations and chatted disapproval with more like minded people, we could send those theives packing. I intend to picket a polling station next election im really tired of poverty being a tool of capitalism to create more jobs | |
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| Its a damn shame that capitalism has jobs designed for assholes.
Posted: 7/5/2006 7:27:23 AM | forgot to mention i dont think any govie is too worried about civil uprising.. in the 60's you could throw the gas grenade back at the cops, that was cool. In china, tintaminwhatever square the army rolled tanks in. I'm still convinced the vietnam draft was just a way to abolish the hippy movement, those dudes were prophets man!
personally i would never apply for a police or army position and those dolts are responsible for the continued sucess of capitialism over history. | |
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| Kill the lawyers, govies, cops, army and CEO's now we have more housing :)
Posted: 7/5/2006 7:44:49 AM | all that wage justification stuff is just crap. Why should anybody spend any amount of their life working whether it be the ceo of a multicorp ruining the environment, ripping off the little people, sucking huge wages out of the economy or a burger flipper. working sucks. you only get one time around in life and to slave it to capitialism in any capacity is shear insanity, especially if you are a ceo.
and if you are going to work at any job isnt it a good stance of a benevolent government to give opportunities to all people to enjoy their life, benevolent being the key word their. 5.15 is just not benevolent and if the bottom line dictates non-benevolence then it is time to put greed aside and think of a new system, benevolently, of course. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/5/2006 4:41:35 PM | | Never had to work for minimum wage. I paid attention in school then applied myself. Oh yes it was public education. If schools went back to the basics instead of the crap they teach now we would have a better work force, that didn't need the minimum wage. Can't learn anything from cartoons. | |
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| Kill the lawyers, govies, cops, army and CEO's now we have more housing :)
Posted: 7/6/2006 8:08:45 PM | Why should anybody spend any amount of their life working whether it be the ceo of a multicorp ruining the environment, ripping off the little people, sucking huge wages out of the economy or a burger flipper.
Maybe you didn't hear.. Ex CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Warren Buffet just donated 36 BILLION dollars to world causes. What exactly have you done to improve the lives of others lately? | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/6/2006 9:51:30 PM | Minimum wages increase poverty rates. You can't create something out of nothin'... well, unless you're a central bank. (Unfortunately that comes tumbling down eventually).
Minimum wage laws are one of the greatest scams ever devised by politicians. They are a nifty way to tax folks without having to raise taxes. They raise the floor price of all goods and services, and make people feel like they have more money, when in reality the cost of living rises accordingly. Sure, folks on the front end of the wage increase benefit immediately, as there is a time lag to when prices equalize upwards. This screws over those on fixed incomes, though, as well as driving folks out of the job market that have skill levels below the minimum wage.
Here's a little scenario to ruminate over, especially those who support the existence of minimum wage laws:
You run a company. You need to hire a person to run some widget-makers. Your applicants are a high school dropout, a high school graduate, and a college graduate. The dropout can run one machine at a time with his current skill level. The high school graduate can run one machine at a time, but can also repair machines. The college graduate can run machines, repair them, and also manage those that run the machiens. The high school dropout's labor is worth $5.00/hr. The high school graduate's labor is worth $6.00 an hour, and the colelge graduate's labor is worth $8.00/hr.
You only need to find someone to run one of the machines, so you hire the high school drop-out. Things are going well, and the dropout is learning valueable experience, which slowly increases his value in the market.
Suddenly politicians decide they need more votes, so they start a minimum wage campaign. They manage to get a minimum wage passed at $6.00 an hour. Faced with the following scenario, how would you change your hiring practices?
Same as above, but with the $6.00 minimum wage requirement. Who would you hire? You'd hire the high school graduate. Why? Because if you have to pay $6.00/hr anyway, you're going to get the better value. The high school dropout is now out of the job market, and has a hard time building up his skill level to bring it above the $6.00/hr value. The minimum wage law has just screwed the unskilled, keeping them down, unable to advance as they otherwise would.
And one wonders why illegal immigrants get hired in such a widespread fashion. It's because their starting wage is immune to minimum wage laws. Why? Because they're illegal and therefore outside the scope of labor laws. As such, the (black) market gives them a job, and they start building their skillset. Eventually they are skilled enough to command a higher wage rate, even though they are illegal. Wow, an illegal immigrant just passed up an unskilled legal citizen in the job market.
Gotta love unintended consequences, no? | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/7/2006 11:15:22 PM | Gotta applaud CountIbli, paddler, gunmetalblue, edwardw4321, and captainbaud.
yna6 seems to want the government to take all responsibility for us. Dude, look up "Soviet Union." Didn't work. (I don't think it's a coincidence that you list your job as *nothing* and that in another thread you proclaimed the benefits of still living at your parents' house. What happened to give you such a "gimme gimme" attitude?)
A lot of the people here seem to think the government should be responsible for setting our incomes. What nonsense! What we have is Capitalism, and it kicks the shyte out of Communism.
Communism: the government tells you what you will do and how much you will make. Trying to stand out will get you punished.
Capitalism: you decide what you will do and how much you will make. Trying to stand out will get you rewarded.
Which one fits better with human nature? Which one has proven successful? Which one is used when rebuilding countries with failed governments?
Pushing the government to give us more of each other's money is NOT a solution. Pushing ourselves to earn more money IS a solution. Changing the way the government works is a great idea, but still won't change those two facts.
I bust my ass pretty much every hour I can stand to do so, which seems to be a hell of a lot more hours than a lot of people are willing to. I'm getting a new business going - the hard way, funded with my own money and built on my own sweat and thinking power - and to top up my income until the business pays me what I want, completely unrelated to my business, I renovate other people's houses. I don't think I'm "lucky" to have multiple skills; I think I'm just glad my parents taught me the value of being willing to work hard and do what I can, and that I almost always tried to take the opportunity to learn something new.
I hardly use any government services (I do drive on the city's roads), yet have to pay the same taxes as those who practically live off those services. I take full responsibility for my actions, my income, my situation, and my attitude, and I blame nobody but myself if I have a hard month. It's starting to look to me like the only people who know WTF I'm talking about are immigrants (legal or otherwise) who come here for a CHANCE at a better life. Chance as in, here's your shot, now make the best of it - sink or swim. These guys start out at a disadvantage and can still come out ahead of a lot of people who were born over here.
So it's pretty hard to take all this whining about how hard it is to get by without the freaking government granting us more money for a measly forty hours a week doing some menial job.
You know, when a person gets too fat and lazy they end up with serious physical and emotional health problems and can even die, and the same thing can happen with a country.
Take the frech fries out of your mouth and out of your job and stand up for yourself and your country - get to work! | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/7/2006 11:50:55 PM | Posted By: yna6 on 6/28/2006 4 34 PM
Why should I be the one paying a bank to pay bills? Let the comapny that wants to be paid pay the charge. I don't need the expense. I'd rather send cash in a pre-adressed and postage paid envelope straight to the company. I may use the goods or services they provide...the privce of paying for it is not factored into the price of the goods or services.
Let's see... why should you be the one paying the bank to pay bills. How about... because you're the one asking them to pay your bills? When you buy your groceries, who do you think should be the one to pay for them? If you don't want to pay your bank to pay your bills, pay the companies yourself. As for letting the company who wants to be paid pay the charge, what's the difference? You buy a product for $50.00 and it costs you $.50 to pay for it, or you buy it for $50.50 and pay for it for "free." So much better, eh? And oh, make them pay for the envelope and postage, too! Of course. And maybe they should send a limo to get you to the mailbox!
OR, maybe you can grow up and start paying your own way. If you can't afford a stamp, how are you paying for your Internet access? And since you do have Internet access, why not pay your bills online and save the stamp?
McDonalds was giving away lego toys. The company had to expand operation and put on three full shifts to keep up with demand. They did not shut down when the demand slowed down. they expanded their product lines by making kits available with themes that are up-to-date.
And this supports your idea of price control HOW? Do you think McDonald's somehoe forced Lego to give them product for free? Nope - it was good old capitalism's law of supply & demand at work. McDonkey's ordered a bunch of product, and LEGO hired a bunch of people to make it, in order to fulfill the orders and make a profit. And when McDognuts ended the promo and demand died, LEGO had to either get creative or reduce staff. They got creative. Good move. But they could have done the same thing without the temporary demand surge. Why not get creative just to boost sales, without waiting for a demand surge? Maybe they need a brighter, more creative, forward-thinking CEO. Or maybe they didn't really need more money. I don't think the people who started the LEGO Group sold french fries and whined about the minimum wage.
minimum wage with gov't subsidies on housing, energy, and food could be the norm, if a price freeze was in effect.
Sure thing! Every company should be required to pay a handsome wage for even the most menial jobs, while having their prices frozen, and the government should pay for part of our bills! So... since companies are no longer making any income to pay taxes on, and the government's bills just multiplied astronomically, um... where is the money going to come from to pay those bills for us, Einstein? Are you saying that you think income tax should triple or so? Oh wait - maybe the government should subsidize all taxes! Yeah! We just solved the economy! WHEEE!!! | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/7/2006 11:54:02 PM | Get to work!
Inspiring words. If others in the entertainment field like Sonny Bono and that guy who played Gopher on "The Love Boat" can become Senators....then so can I!
I announce my upcoming availability for the next election.
Call me Senator Toon!
I need that 170,000 per year. My Mom needs an operation...well, liposuction, but THAT's an operation isn't it? She's disabled and elderly...but I scream at her to "get a job" to no avail.
What's with all these mentally ill, disabled and elderly people sucking up all our resources anyway? They need to get a job!
Actually, Luvmunky, it's very cool that you are self employed and doing very well. You have some strong convictions and the energy to make your dreams come true. My hat is off. You are living the American Dream. you have your health and beliefs. Cool.
Kudos to the rest of the people with similar convictions. You are self made men who enjoy the independence and success hard work brings.
Just don't lose sight that some Americans, through whatever reason, bad health, poverty, divorce, lawsuits, bad business breaks, legal problems and so forth.....have trouble within this capitalist system.
I've heard people boast countless times how they made it, and others should follow in their footsteps.
Well, life don't work that way. "Life is what happens when your busy making other plans" To borrow from Lennon....no, not the communist, the musician.
I've also heard countless people use profile information as a source of putdown and that has nothing to do with the argument. It's kind of low.
We don't know enough from a brief blurb on a dating profile, so why use it as a source of argument? Neocons like to zero in on me, but you know, cartoonist/animators do quite well. Let's try to be decent and keep profile info out of debates on topics. That info is for the ladies!
Kudos to those to speak up regardless of what side. Some good posts that make ya go hmmm! To the fella who inferred that "you don't learn anything from cartoons." ??? wtf?
Well, tell that to PBS. We are the generation that grew up learning how to count from animation on Sesame Street!
The World War II generation learned from instructional cartoons on everything from food to how to build just about anything.
Ten years is too long. Raise the minimum wage. Prices have already gone up in the past month on food.
Lots of Seniors out there hustling part-time in addition to social security...they have to continue to work.....the economy under Bush has been so bad, all the "Kid's" moved back in !!!!!
(not to mention 401's being wiped out from fraud/corp disasters)
Elections soon, vote the bad ones out. (for those in Washington State, Vote for Toon)
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/8/2006 12:09:34 AM | Posted By: bob0colo on 6/28/2006 6 28 PM
How do you get a senator for $122k in Canada????
Um, what does that refer to, and what do you mean?
You have Allowed MIn/wage to get so out of control in Canada???....huge hourly min wage and health care. Your economy must be in ruins??
Our economy is not that different than yours. Sure, we have gov't funded healthcare. And we pay for it with higher taxes. And people abuse it, going to the hospital when they have a cold, etc. I think there should be user fees.
Under paid Politicains and over paid peasents. We must correct this.....CEO's make at least 2 million a year... Better?
It's hardly that simple. Everyone should make something based on their position, their contribution, and the company itself and its position in the marketplace. The "job" of "CEO" doesn't have one simple definition and average pay like the job of "plumber" etc. Companies are different, Binkey!
Interesting idea on population control. Would you suggest import workers to fight to the death? or....neutral ground?
Sure, that's what I was saying! And later on, monkeys will fly out of my butt! Maybe try reading it again?
For the bottom feeder looking only at the bottom line...its time for the Fed min/wage to go away..
All Labor laws hurt profits... mining... childern...lunch breaks...
The bottom line ...employees are not an asset they are only overhead... reward them with a layoff...cut overhead
Wow. Dude, take your meds! | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/8/2006 12:49:02 AM |
She's disabled and elderly...but I scream at her to "get a job" to no avail.
What's with all these mentally ill, disabled and elderly people sucking up all our resources anyway? They need to get a job!
Oh come on. You know that's not who I'm talking about.
I agree that people on fixed incomes get screwed when prices rise. I think it sucks. And it's one of the reasons I REFUSE to jump on the bandwagon of cheerfully paying the goverment a chunk of my income with the expectation that they're going to pay me a living wage when I retire. I also think it's nonsense to expect a company to keep paying former employees after they retire. How do you account for that, from a company's point of view? Hope they die so you can keep your costs down? How do you account for that, from an employee's point of view? What are you doing to earn it now? To me it's just another example of the need to take personal responsibility.
Compare:
1. Accept a job and whatever pay it offers, try to keep your bills more or less within that pay, and blow any left over on toys and entertainment; retire and live on whatever the company and the government will give you, and get poorer with inflation.
2. Accept a job but keep an eye out for ways to improve your situation, make your own retirement fund one of your most important bills, buy toys and entertainment when you have spare cash that really is spare; retire and continue to enjoy the same standard of living because you've saved up for it.
#1 is the old habit, and a couple generations ago they didn't know how bad it would be. But now we do.
#2 would be a lot easier if the government didn't force pension fees on us.
Actually, Luvmunky, it's very cool that you are self employed and doing very well. You have some strong convictions and the energy to make your dreams come true. My hat is off. You are living the American Dream. you have your health and beliefs. Cool.
Thank you for saying that. But I must admit that I'm not really doing "very well" right now, at least by my standards, and thus the long hours doing both business and physical work. I've been on a very nice path twice already in this life, and both times got knocked off track - once by a nasty combination of other people's screw ups (including a former business partner screwing the government without my knowledge, and me having to share responsibility for the huge bill; followed by an incompetent CEO crashing a company I was starting to do very well with) and once because I woke up and decided I wasn't happy with my life and decided to rethink it. Left the business, sold the house, travelled... started over. Happier now, and poorer, but rebuilding on my own terms. Very satisfying. And the hardest thing about it was simply getting past the brick wall that keeps most of us from doing it - the wall of expectations from our friends & family, of stepping outside our comfort zone, of taking risk, of facing the Great Unknown. I hope this explains a little more why I find it so hard to listen to people who want to be guaranteed a secure, high-paying job and think that companies and politicians should make less, pay more, and be held responsible for our situations. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/9/2006 11:48:12 PM | I hope this explains a little more why I find it so hard to listen to people who want to be guaranteed a secure, high-paying job and think that companies and politicians should make less, pay more, and be held responsible for our situations.
It does. Sometimes we hold on to our own belief system with an iron grip. This topic affects me with a passion.
But I've got to have an open mind and listen to other perspectives, sometimes difficult though that may be. I appreciate seeing different sides of the coin though.
I get hot under the collar because I've seen people other than "teenagers" affected by this set minimum.
Personally, I don't like seeing senior citizens happily displayed on McDonald marketing material as workers. I don't like it because I know some seniors that can't make it on the pension that they earned working all these years.....and still HAVE to work to make ends meet.
It should be a choice. If senior citizens still want to work to feel productive and have something to do, different story.
I get angry because I see money blur perspective, empathy or understanding for those who have...and those who struggle.
I do alright in my line of work. No complaints at all. I am very lucky that I get to do a dream job and something I love to do. But I will never forget having it very rough when I was younger. (To this day, I hate green beans, top ramen and government cheese!)
So I know both sides of the fence. The grass is greener on the politicians side...more fertilizer!
I volunteer and advocate for Mental Health and I see Mental Health workers making $6,000 a month and driving SUV's ..... and I wonder...
I wonder how are hell are they supposed to "relate" to their clients living off of $300 to $500 a month and who are lucky if they can afford a happy meal once a month. (In this regard, I advocate hiring former clients and people who have recovered from drug abuse to give aid to clients)
So money does the talking in our society. I just want the little guy to share in the American Dream.
It's getting tough when 5 bucks only buys a gallon and a half of gas..... and food prices?....
Whoa
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 7/10/2006 3:41:17 AM | | Gunmetalblue, I disagree with you on msg 82. No job is more important than the other.Take the doctor in the top position in a hospital.Yes, he is needed. The doctor of the unit is also needed.As also the RN, LPN and CNA. A hospital cant operate without every person.As a matter of fact, When inspectors come to inspect, they first check out patient care.Thats what the RN,LPN and CNA do.Min. wage is 5.15 an hour. Thats $ 206 for a 40 hour week, before taxes.Daycare average is 100 per week, per child.That leaves $106 if there is only one child.How can people pay rent, car payments and insurance and other neccessary bills on that. THe government says it is trying to keep people off walfare. Raise the pay for workers and alot will come off walfare.I think people in top positions have become greedyand if min. wage is raised 20% every year,they will maybe have to get a 10% raise every year instead of a 25% raise.Its all about greed, more money for the powerful and forget the hardworking population, who do most of the work for a company. | |
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| Its easy to see how capitalism continues after reading the responses in this thread.
Posted: 7/15/2006 9:37:56 PM | You have to think way out of the box. And u forgot to recall i said unshelve that technology and all of a sudden we have solar powered siding for houses and buildings and we can use plastic 2x4's that sweden manufactures instead of wood!
Outside of the box, something that all good school goers dont habitually do. As for the 36billion dollar give away.... you should provide the url because i am not inclined to believe that unless its a tax write off that mostly donations to societies generally are.. maybe we the tax payers can pay most of that donation after all..
dont respond
just listen and think
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| why vote for toon
Posted: 7/15/2006 9:42:06 PM | hes going to do what hes told too.. they all work within the framework of capitalism. Lobbyists and shareholders control politicians and once they are in they are told again what to do, either by budget cuts or other various ways.
schwartsenegger has ties to the kennedy family via his wife.. so he's in! bush was ted kennedies chief assistant advisor in 1963, u think that u voted that in... it has been planned ages ago..
dont vote.. for christs sake, the sake of everything decent. | |
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