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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 3/21/2007 10:09:19 PM | The subject is "Senate refuses to raise minimum wage." I don't see anything in your post about it. I am not the subject. Evidently you can't read, but can write insults.
I just think you're incredibly ignorant
Who cares what you think! I think you are just plain stupid. Bet I have more education than you do.
I DARE you to report me for calling you a racist, and stating that you're out of line for calling somebody a mexican prostitute because they disagree.
Your calling me a racist does not make me one.
You can not find on any of my posts where I called any person a prostitute.
You stated that you were a Mexican prostitute and it is there for all to see.
I don't report people. I can take anything you can dish out sonny! If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
They're all filthy criminals obviously.
If they crossed the border illegal yes they are. You associate with criminals if you so desire, but I do not care to.
One more thing, usually I'd dismiss this kind of idiocy with a sarcastic bit of humour that gets a bit of a laugh, but frankly your bigoted close minded attitude makes me to sick to crack a joke.
You are a joke. Just looking at your picture would make anyone laugh, or gag. I agree you are a sarcastic B... you like insults how are these!!I am not bigoted in any way. I like and get along with all races. Yes my mind is closed to criminals crossing our border illegal.
Because I did not agree with the three of you you can call me all the names you want it just goes to show how ignorant you are that you can't accept an other's opinion without getting hot under the collar. It is just a forum. You are not judge and jury of the posters on it. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 1:55:51 AM | If the minimum wage were $10 an hour, who would that help? Workers that could not produce $10 worth of work in an hour would have trouble finding jobs.
How do you measure $10 an hour work would be?  | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 2:07:11 AM | | The fact that we have a minimum wage is silly. There has always been a premium on education and work experience, so it's not hard to find out how to earn more. Letting anything else than market forces decide a wage is stupid. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 2:19:21 AM |
Raising the minimum wage to $7.50 would positively affect the lives of more than 8 million workers
Raising the minimmum wage will do nothing to improve the lives of these folks. It will however start another inflationary spiral that could spell disaster for ALL of us.... particulalry the older people on fixed incomes. It's already been shown that wages overall are expected to fall, particularly with the breaking of unions and the Mexican invasion.
Increasing the the base (minimum) rate almost 30% while not raising everyone else's proportionally is a giant leap towards socialism. What you may not be considering is these folks will enjoy a windfall for less than a month as every merchant in town adjusts their pricing structure to dig deeper into their already meager existence while lowering the standard of living for everyone else.
Raising the minimum wage is a great vote getter but it isn't the answer to poverty. Get yer head outta yer liberal arse and at the very least...Think about it. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 2:23:33 AM | By the way, the minimum wage WILL be raised but it won't happen for about another year. It will be passed just before the election. to garner the democratic vote... and we'll pay the price.
The fact that we have a minimum wage is silly. There has always been a premium on education and work experience, so it's not hard to find out how to earn more. Letting anything else than market forces decide a wage is stupid
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 5:20:09 AM | Posted By: macnews on 8/24/2007 5:07:11 AM:
" The fact that we have a minimum wage is silly. There has always been a premium on education and work experience, so it's not hard to find out how to earn more. Letting anything else than market forces decide a wage is stupid."
$5.15 an hour does not equal a living wage. Not even if you have a home with no mortgage and a paid off car. After 8 hours you have $41.20 for your days effort. Hardly enough to buy a pair of jeans to replace the ones you wore out in the process let alone putting gas in your "car".
If the man who posted the following sentence should ever find himself in a position of having no choice but to accept $5.15 an hour in this or a future lifetime may his own words come back to haunt him :
"Raising the minimum wage is a great vote getter but it isn't the answer to poverty. Get yer head outta yer liberal arse and at the very least...Think about it." | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 5:23:09 AM | | Anybody who works a job that doesn't pay a living wage is subsidizing his employer. If a job is worth having, it should pay enough to allow the person to live. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 5:41:35 AM | Posted By: plaidflannel on 8/24/2007 8 33 AM
Subject: Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Message: THE man who posted that sentence will never be out of work .He is a conservative H20 transporter specialist.
Be this as it may for this lifetime. If you believe in the plurality of spiritual existences, it will not stop the process of retribution in the next lifetime even if we are a conservative. It's best to always be empathetic and benevolent. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 10:32:51 AM | Wages are part of overhead. You can have higher wages and people who work harder because there are fewer of them to service the customer. Poor service means fewer customers. Circles and more circles...
Another thought you might consider... is there anything to the thought that employees who earn less, steal more from the employer? And as part of that circle, the employer knows the employees steal, therefore they deliberately keep the wages lower than appropriate for the work load... | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 10:41:14 AM | Benefits for a government having a standard base of poor people:
1. Economics
2. Worker mobility
3. Military service
4. Social Industry (ie. Welfare, Social Services, Policing, Prisons)
5. Political Apathy/helplessness (provides unaccountability for politicos)
6. Ignorance of peoples rights
7. Seperating the populace using Class status
8. Political Party support | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 10:43:41 AM | Local mechants and the landlords make sure they get their cut from any wage increases. Perhaps a different method should be used. A percentage of wage used to provide housing. Food prices controlled. Same with other services.
One person may be better a t a job than another, but they get the same wage. The better employee doesn't get more for better work ethics or anything, so why should they continue putting their best foot forward. Th company isn't going to recognize that at all...never does! I've seen corporations that have "merit raises" as an offered perk...but never saw one granted to anyone in over 7 years of being there! Just the usual 25 cents every year...not even enough to cover the increase in the cost of living. So, the company pays to hire and train a bunch of newbies. They could save a lot of money by keeping the ones they sprnt so much time on, but they don't. The competition pays a few cents more for their services, and away they go.
Minimum wage? Terrible.....gov't should be enforcing a living wage....based on the area of the location. Downtown New York? Pay more fr the peoplr living in that area who seve coffee for a living. Some technogeek type out in smallsville? Paid far less because the cost of living is cheaper. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 10:49:29 AM |
Wages are part of overhead.
Presidents of companies and CEO's have no problem adding to that overhead. They DESERVE ir, right ? 
The CEO of a Standard & Poor's 500 company made on average $14.78 million in total compensation in 2006, according to a preliminary analysis by The Corporate Library.
Problems with executive compensation came to a head in 2006 with large severance packages given to departing CEOs who performed poorly.
Other CEOs left in connection with stock options backdating scandals at their companies.
The stock options backdating scandal reveals a flawed compensation system in which CEOs can take what they want from their companies and their shareholders with impunity.
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/
Even a departing CEO, after performing poorly, is paid rather well - and adds to the overhead.
Average CEO ousted in 2006 170
Average CEO without a contract 18
Average Worker 2
- ibid
The Home Depot’s stock price fell 8 percent under the six-year tenure of former CEO Robert Nardelli. During those same six years, he received more than $240 million in compensation. In January 2007, Robert Nardelli resigned, but not before taking an exit package worth approximately $210 million.
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/
retirementsecurity/case_homedepot__.cfm
I don't see overhead mentioned once, in that entire paragraph.
Now if employees at Home Depot had asked for a 50 cent raise per hour ?
"OMG , HOW UNREASONABLE ! WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT TYPE OF OVERHEAD INCREASE ."  | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 6:13:31 PM | I just had to comment on the post Montreal Guy made. I laughed, but it's really not funny, is it? A few years ago, when my son was senior in high school he had to do some paper and it included some salaries of just the the kind of upper most management that MG sites. After he read it to me, I told him if he had more time, I thought it would be interesting to write to these CEO's and ask them what their resume looks like.
I mean think about it. How does one actually get that first big paying position? So let's say you're right out of college. Let's say, you were THE HEAD of the class, Dean List and more. Heck, I have a cousin whose resume out of college was 7 pages long. It took her 7 years to work up to $45,00o a year. She wanted to be a brain surgeon, but could not afford the costs involved, and so she went into the world of corporate America. It's been 20 years now and though I don't know her exact income, I do know it doesn't hit the 100,000 mark. So how does one get that first job that pays, oh, let's say even a million a year?
Even more, let's say a CEO does poorly and is fired, what goes on the resume? And how much of a pay cut does s/he actually take for their next position? How many such positions are there? How hard do they really work? | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 6:32:14 PM | Hmmm...see if I remember this right...
Responsibility, danger, hardship...the three criteria that govern wages. A CEO has to make very few decisions in a year...but when he does, they affect a lot of people. Close a plant here, open a new line? Whatever. He's the guy holding the bag. Think he loses any sleep over it? Proabably. Getting death threats from disgruntled employees, and ex ones too, being held up for public ridicule when the company doesn't do so well, etc, etc. A store manager may make 50 decisions a day...but they generally don't affect a lot of people. Sure, a manager could get some hard feeling shot at them, but usually it blows over pretty quickly, and they have guidelines to help them. A CEO usually has to broach uncharted territory to make the big decisions.
Politicians meanwhile...well...lots to draw n for examples, so almost anyone can come up with a "good decision" Maybe the poiltician needs to make minimum wage....they don't need all those perks and bonuses either....so remove them.
They want to be politicians with power....let them earn it....but not the money that goes with it. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 10:47:51 PM | I don't see overhead mentioned once, in that entire paragraph.
Now if employees at Home Depot had asked for a 50 cent raise per hour ?
"OMG , HOW UNREASONABLE ! WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT TYPE OF OVERHEAD INCREASE .
Exactly how the company pays the CEO millions but somehow does not have enough to pay there employees anything | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/24/2007 11:31:58 PM | The rich get richer.....blah...blah...blah......
I can't believe the mentality of some people.
Eliminate minimum wage or increase it to $100.00/hr.
Either one will solve the problem.
Please contest me on this. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 11:18:56 AM | Emininate it and watch companies cut wages, bringing in people that will work for pennies per hour. A lot of illegals are doing this now! Kick it to 100 bucks an hour, businesses close, or inflation runs rampant.
The only way to really look at it is to compare wages to the combined pricing of housing, food, and amenities...cable, phone, hydro, water, etc. If the wages don't pay all those things (and more!), and leave about 10% in the pockets of the worker (savings, investments, retirment fund, etc) then the wages are just not worthwhile. why work if you can't make something doing it? I am not saying you should be able to afford a new car every second years, or hire a maid, just the basic amenities of living in a modern society. Anything above that, and you have to do extra to get it.
If you make 100 bucks an hour and it costs 4 grand a month to rent an apartment, that would be doable! But when you make minimum wage and it costs 750 a month to make rent, then something is way wrong! | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/25/2007 8:52:26 PM | " The fact that we have a minimum wage is silly. There has always been a premium on education and work experience, so it's not hard to find out how to earn more. Letting anything else than market forces decide a wage is stupid."
Actually there was a time in history where you work any job and make enough to live. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:11:33 PM | The minimum wage is stupid and only causes more problems. The market has a natural minimum wage. It is basic supply and demand. You want to create a surplus, you artificially increase the cost of something. In the case of the minimum wage, it artificially increases the cost of labor for businesses. When this happens, businesses do things such as cut employee hours, or fire employees, or raise prices.
Why do you think these days there are so many people who will work multiple part-time jobs yet still have no health care? It's because when you employ people part-time, as a business you don't need to supply such benefits. So if you need people to run your business each day, you hire multiple part-time workers rather than full-time workers, because part-timers you don't need to give medical benefits to or anything like that, so they're cheaper.
In addition to this, more people end up unemployed from businesses that lay-off/fire workers.
All a higher minimum wage does is lead to businesses yanking up the prices of things, higher unemployment, and a lack of full-time jobs and a plethora of part-time jobs which don't provide any benefits.
Also, minimum wage creates an entitlement philosophy among workers. It makes people who don't deserve to make much moeny think they deserve such high payment.
As for the argument, "You can't raise a family on the minimum wage," yeah well I can't own a yacht on the average part-time salary either. So the solution? I don't buy a yacht. Same thing with minimum wage. If you only earn minimum wage, don't start a family. If you created a family first without considering how to take care of it financially, well that's your own fault.
Unfortunately the government continues to provide money for such people and thus we are only creating more and more stupid people. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:52:56 PM | All a higher minimum wage does is lead to businesses yanking up the prices of things, higher unemployment, and a lack of full-time jobs and a plethora of part-time jobs which don't provide any benefits.
Prices have gone up and the minimum wage has stayed the same. Prices are not affected totally on minimum wage.
Also, minimum wage creates an entitlement philosophy among workers. It makes people who don't deserve to make much moeny think they deserve such high payment.
Why do they do not deserve enough money? Should not people be entitled to make enough to live on? You are just an egotistical moron who thinks only mighty people like yourself should have a good life.  | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:36:57 PM | Really raising the minimum wage is a band aid for a large size wound
a) it doesnt last as inflation comes about- and then it creates problems for seniors
Ultimately if you want wges to go up you have only a few options
1) Stop making free trade free for china overseas and get jobs back over here- even if it means strong-arm policies with tarrifs. Give an ultimatium that the united states will not accept a trade deficit. This in turn
2) brings jobs back to the United States- and in the process reigns in those corps who dont feel the need for loyalty to any state.
3) stop the influx of immigration, particuliarly stop illegal immigration. Go after buisnesses who blantantly or through gross negligence skirt the laws. If the border has to be militarized, then all by means. And press the Mexican goverment for reform. Go ahead see how impoverished the state of mexico is- querry "gdp by country- and then look at this figure compared to canada.
4) there is a cultural element as well that needs to be adressed, and it would be the necessity of a good leader to uplift people who show compassion and lambaste those who horde wealth. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/26/2007 8:38:13 AM | I just need to point out.. For all of you making grandiose claims about what the minimum wage will do to harm the economy. You're all wrong. It's true that the statistical models economists like to use indicate that would be the result. However all the research done on each minimum wage increase nationally and on a state by state basis has shown that infact it has had positive effects not negative.
The reality of the matter is most of you haven't got the foggiest notion of what you're talking about, your just parroting what you've heard or someone told you to believe, even worse just your fears.
It's laughable what people seem to think here is important, You believe the people who pick fruit and harvest grain aren't entitled to a livable wage because the market won't bear it? If they don't pick it you don't eat. The problem doesn't lay with the people who are breaking their backs doing min wage jobs. It lays with idoits who think those jobs don't need to be done and have no value, while beliving that a CEO actually does do anything productive that entitles the outlandish salaries, or that althletes deserve them as opposed to educators.
I guess thats really were it all failed... you people never actually learned what you needed to know.. just what you wanted to hear. | |
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| Senate refuses to raise minimum wage.
Posted: 8/26/2007 9:29:52 AM | Its common sense really to see that raising the minumum wage is not the best option out there and it does create problems for others when other issues arent addressed. To start we'd have to agree that Greed is the center of the problem. Greed essentially creates the problem of inflation. The intention, and I say intention of the minimum wage hike- is to lighten the economic burden at the bottom of the scale. So lets say a hike is emplaced. Now that money doesnt come from nowhere- essentially it is earned or taken (however you want to descrive it) from the employer to the employee. Of course greed, a fundemental aspect of human nature kicks in. That employer/owner has just had his earnings cut. And he isnt happy/ Ive never heard of any employeer being ok with this. From his perspective - he has two options.
1) raise prices. This of course takes the legs right out of a minimum wage hike. If all employers are doing this than the power of the dollar devaluates.
2) try to take become more efficient/gain a greater share of the market- this of courses squeezes people out of buisness elsewhere creating poverty.
So ultimately the only way a minimum wage hike would be a permenant solution is if a buisness owner would say. I accept a permenant profit reduction to give my workers a better quality of life. And ALL employeers would have to have this mentality for it to work.
Now Im not saying minimum wage is not an option at all, its just not a good one and has great risks. The goverment theoretically could try to stay ahead of the egalitarian curve with wage hikes, but inflation and consumer confidence could wreak havok on the economy,
The only real solutions are and a combination would be needed.
1 Discourage additional members to the workforce- essentially squeeze immigration
Less workers availiable = less leverage buisness owners have on workers. Workers have more leverage in negotiating for pay.
2. create more work- More work ensures workers have more choices, and hence more leverage wage-wise. This of course means reversing "free" trade patterns of outsourcing work and bringing manufacturing jobs back
Ultimately thats what it comes down to. | |
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