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Your websites amusingly enough are exactly the kind of historical revisionist types that my article was speaking about.

Cottonblossom

they did want all Southerners exterminated..what made the Union stop?..

I am not positive..but I do believe the crank submarine was discovered..

It is amazing to me..even now that Sherman was not held accountable for murdering innocent people..the old,sick,pregnant women,children,people that could do no harm to anyone..he didn't give them time to leave Atlanta,so if he did now what he did then..he would be put on trial?

I do know the Confederates song Bonnie Blue was banned by Lincoln.

Nona..I was happy to see you back..calling you spunky!

Montreal Guy,

Topgear I have to work some hours today but I did want you to know I am going to be back..thank you & the others for your time & effort..

The Civil War was fought in 10,000 places, from Valverde, New Mexico, and Tullahoma, Tennessee, to St. Albans, Vermont, and Fernandina on the Florida coast. More than 3 million Americans fought in it, and over 600,000 men, 2 percent of the population, died in it.

American homes became headquarters, American churches and schoolhouses sheltered the dying, and huge foraging armies swept across American farms and burned American towns. Americans slaughtered one another wholesale, right here in America in their own cornfields and peach orchards, along familiar roads and by waters with old American names.

In two days at Shiloh, on the banks of the Tennessee River, more American men fell than in all the previous American wars combined. At Cold Harbor, some 7,000 Americans fell in twenty minutes. Men who had never strayed twenty miles from their own front doors now found themselves soldiers in great armies, fighting epic battles hundreds of miles from home. They knew they were making history, and it was the greatest adventure of their lives.

The Civil War has been given many names: the War Between the States, the War Against Northern Aggression, the Second American Revolution, the Lost Cause, the War of the Rebellion, the Brothers’ War, the Late Unpleasantness. Walt Whitman called it the War of Attempted Secession. Confederate General Joseph Johnston called it the War Against the States. By whatever name, it was unquestionably the most important event in the life of the nation. It saw the end of slavery and the downfall of a southern planter aristocracy. It was the watershed of a new political and economic order, and the beginning of big industry, big business, big government. It was the first modern war and, for Americans, the costliest, yielding the most American causalities and the greatest domestic suffering, spiritually and physically. It was the most horrible, necessary, intimate, acrimonious, mean-spirited, and heroic conflict the nation has ever known.

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/

He tried some business ventures, but they failed. Grant resigned from the Army with little advance notice on July 31, 1854, offering no explanation for his abrupt decision. Rumors persisted in the Army for years that his commanding officer, Bvt. Lt. Col. Robert C. Buchanan, found him drunk on duty as a pay officer and offered him the choice between resignation or court-martial. Some biographers discount the rumors and suggest Grant's resignation, and his drinking, were both prompted by profound depression. According to this view, Buchanan hated Grant and concocted the drunkenness story years later to protect Buchanan's action in removing the man who became one of the most famous generals in history. The War Department stated, "Nothing stands against his good name." He wrote in his memoirs about the war against Mexico: "I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation".[8]

A civilian at age 32, Grant struggled through seven lean years. From 1854 to 1858 he labored on a family farm near St. Louis, Missouri, using slaves owned by his father-in-law, but it did not prosper. Grant owned one slave (whom he set free in 1859); his wife owned four slaves (two women servants and their two small boys). In 1858-59 he was a bill collector in St. Louis. Failing at everything, in humiliation he asked his father for a job, and in 1860 was made an assistant in the leather shop owned by his father and run by his younger brother in Galena, Illinois. Grant & Perkins sold harnesses, saddles, and other leather goods and purchased hides from farmers in the prosperous Galena area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant

Historian Michael Korda explained his strategic genius:

“ Grant understood topography, the importance of supply lines, the instant judgment of the balance between his own strengths and the enemy's weaknesses, and above all the need to keep his armies moving forward, despite casualties, even when things had gone wrong—that and the simple importance of inflicting greater losses on the enemy than he can sustain, day after day, until he breaks. Grant the boy never retraced his steps. Grant the man did not retreat—he advanced. Generals who do that win wars. ”

After the war, on July 25, 1866, Congress authorized the newly created rank of General of the Army of the United States, the equivalent of a full (four-star) general in the modern U.S. Army. Grant was appointed as such by President Andrew Johnson on the same day.

-Ibid

cottonblossom
The Shelby Springs is actually Cook Springs..I have been there..and yes there were "medicinal" springs,they all dried up,I have been there & know it well..

In reference to evidence of Lincolns ban on Bonnie Blue & other Confederate songs that were deemed not only banned but outlawed by some of Lincolns Generals I first read about in Montgomery at the Confederate Museum..I bought a few books & it was also written about Lincolns ban but HE never enforced it..anyway..one of my Ref:

Douglas L. Wilson: Herndons Informants: Letters,Interviews, and Statements about Abraham Lincoln...on pages 646-649..

On Google-www.storyroot.com/music.html-37k

Also..The Power of Civil War Music-Meredith Bean Mcmath..

You are correct about Lincoln having good points..from what I have read..I believe the Union Generals,well..some of them..were just out of control & did what THEY wanted..

You know I am going to find out about the cranked sub..your sure you dont know??..I know I read it..the Mobile Register..It is there & I will find it.

Thank you for the explanation of Sherman & Atlanta.

You know I am going to find out about the cranked sub..your sure you dont know??..I know I read it..the Mobile Register..It is there & I will find it.

The C.S.S. Hunley Returns Home
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Author/adventurer Clive Cussler and his NUMA Crew who found the Hunley, May 3, 1995, watched proudly as a team of archaeologists lifted the Civil War submarine August 8, 2000 four miles off the coast of Charleston, SC.

PHOENIX, AZ-Tuesday, August 8, was an emotional day for many Americans as the CSS Hunley, the first submarine to sink a ship in battle, was retrieved from the watery grave to which she plunged February 17, 1864. For 15 years, novelist and adventurer Clive Cussler and divers from his 501C3 National Underwater and Marine Agency (NUMA) searched for the elusive CSS Hunley. Cussler's team, including Ralph Wilbanks, Wes Hall and Harry Pecorelli, found the sub May 3, 1995. The Hunley was buried under three feet of silt in 28 feet of water four miles outside Charleston, SC. Cussler invested more than $130,000 to locate the historic vessel.

"I did not think this would happen in my lifetime," Cussler remarked to a group of journalists covering the historic event.

After watching the Hunley safely placed on the barge that would transport her to the Warren Lasch Conservation Center, Cussler told the reporters, "Well, I have to be going now." With that, the 69-year-old best-selling author jumped off the Carolina Clipper Press Boat and did the backstroke to the Diversity, Wilbanks boat that was used when the Hunley was discovered.

H.L. Hunley, a submersible known as the "South's secret weapon," had just turned for shore after signaling it had succeeded in sinking the Union blockader USS Housatonic (also located by Cussler and NUMA) the night of February 17, 1864, when it vanished with all hands. The fate of the Hunley and her nine young volunteer crewmen remained a mystery for more than 131 years until Cussler and his NUMA crew discovered her.

The discovery has been hailed as the American maritime historical discovery of the century. Doctor Robert Neyland, the Naval Historical Center's (NHC) chief underwater archaeologist and Hunley project director called the revolutionary vessel "a national treasure" comparable to the Wright brothers' aircraft. Cussler believes that because the submarine filled with silt so quickly the bones of the crew might still survive.

"In many ways this is like recovering a bottle -- everything is contained inside the submarine," Neyland said. "It is the very first successful military submarine. Not until World War I would another submarine sink an enemy ship."

Cussler donated $50,000 to the Friends of the Hunley to help raise the Hunley. Video of an artist's rendering of the raising is available for viewing on the NUMA web site: www.numa.net

HUNLEY COMPLETES THE JOURNEY: RETURNS TO CHARLESTON AFTER 136 YEARS

Raising the Hunley took on a festive air as nearly 200 pleasure craft turned out to accompany the submarine home. An American flag at Ft. Sumter flew at half-mast as the barge carrying the submarine passed by. Many of the boats surrounding the Hunley had Confederate and US flags flying.

Now the process of preserving the submarine and excavating the remains begins, a process that scientists say may take five to ten years.

For Cussler and NUMA it's back to other pursuits although the author says he may return to Charleston in the fall when the remains of the nine sailors are interred at Magnolia Cemetery. The remains will be buried alongside the first two crews of the Hunley. A total of 22 men gave their lives to bring submarine warfare to life.

For additional information on the preservation and conservation efforts surrounding the Hunley, please check the Hunley web site: www.hunley.org

http://www.numa.net/press/081300.html

H. L. Hunley was a submarine of the Confederate States of America that demonstrated both the advantages and the dangers of undersea warfare. The Hunley was the first submarine to sink a warship, although the sub was also lost following the engagement. The Confederates lost 32 men in Hunley's career. The submarine was renamed after the death of her inventor, Horace Lawson Hunley, and some time after she had been taken into the Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina.

H. L. Hunley, almost 40 feet (12 m) long, was built at Mobile, Alabama, launched in July 1863, and shipped by rail to Charleston, SC on August 12, 1863. On February 17, 1864, Hunley attacked and sank the 1800-ton steam sloop USS Housatonic in Charleston harbor, but soon after, Hunley also sank, drowning all 8 crewmen. Over 136 years later, on August 8, 2000, the wreck was recovered, and on April 17, 2004, the DNA-identified remains of the eight Hunley crewmen were interred in Charleston's Magnolia Cemetery, with full military honors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.L._Hunley

Montreal Guy

Is that a reference to the CSS Hunley ?

Cottonblossom

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out of all the NE States I have visited,PA is the most beautiful for me..'/quote]
O' without question there is some beautiful geography and wildlife in many of the Northern States... I've been to several but not all. Unfortantly my extensive travel has been mostly in the Western States since I've visited all the Southern States many many times.



Nothing difficult in asking a question... LOL, that's actually a question quiet often asked and one well researched.

There's a lot of factors in that engagement. But Lee's over confidence is hardly the excuse for the loss, had his strategy been followed on day 1 the battlefield layout would have been so different that it would be impossible to speculate the outcome... Nevertheless, we must go with what history records and Lee's battle plan wasn't implimented by his subordinates, which accounted for the poistions both armies found themselves. The failure for Lee's army to take Little Round Top when they had the chance proved pivotal later and Lee's failure to take the advice of Longstreet (Yes there was always conflict between Lee and Longstreet but Lee didn't keep Longstreet around to be a "Yes, Man" he needed someone he could count on to be realistic and tell him when he was making a mistake) and his plan after the lost opportunites of day 1 would lead to the battle being a fruitless endevor from there on out. So, Pickett's charge wasn't the signal of a lost battle but a last ditched effort to salvage the situation. I can't really fault Lee for his actions after his plan had not been carried out. He was having to react to the situation instead of directing. His purpose with Pickett's charge wasn't an insane tactic as some have been lead to believe and yet it nearly worked...But General J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry failed to achieve a Napoleonic penetration, into the Union rear at Culp's Hill and Cemetery Ridge and so the salvaged plan fell apart.



The errors where not his alone except the failure to take action on Longstreets plan.



If you're talking about military engaements then it did have a huge impact but hardly was it the destruction of the Southern Army. It wasn't a "Battle of the Bulge" kind of victory. The North would have to continue fighting the Southern Army for two more years in some very nasty campagins that the North didn't always win or come out as a draw.

As I've said countless times the South never had a chance to win a war with the North. I believe E.P. Alexander, chief of ordnance of the Army of Northern Virginia (who incidentally directed the artillery bombardment preceding Pickett's Charge) said it best :
"When the South entered upon war with a power so immensely her superior in men & money, & all the wealth of modern resources in machinery and transportation appliances by land & sea, she could entertain but one single hope of final success. That was, that the desperation of her resistance would finally exact from her adversary such a price in blood & treasure as to exhaust the enthusiasm of its population for the objects for the war."



If Lee's plan had been carried out then the two armies would have been drawn into very differnet battle lines and the Northern army would have had to do the attacking, they would have had no choice. They couldn't let the Confederate Army for one just stand there on Northern soil and they couldn't let the Confederate army stand between them and Washington... They would have had to throw themselves at the Confederate army until they either won or they were all dead... But I don't believe that would have produced a Confedrate victory for Independence. Those Northern troops at Gettysburg if all had been killed the North still had plenty of military left to put up a good fight. Lee didn't have such a luxary and in order for him to have won at Gettysburg it would still have cost him a larger part of his army... His invasion of the north never could be more than a foray at best...

I could give you a more descrepitive detail of the happenigs at Gettysburg but that is the jest of it all...

Badger Bill

) Andersonville. The POW camp. From what I know about it. It was the worst camp for a Northerner to go

How many POW camps were there during the war. Both sides?

The ship that blew up after the war with about 2000, I think Northeren POW's

There have been many movies made on the civil war. To my knowledge most were based on the Northeren POV. They won I guess that why. Were any made on the South POV?

According to Dorothy Wells Earlandson, writing in Chicago=s Heritage Guest, Afew native Chicagoans knew of its existence, you see, Chicago has never publicized its one time camp@ There are no highway directional signs. We will never see a film about Camp douglas or any of the other notorious Northern prisons. The winners write the history books, and for 130 years they have been silent about their prison camps.