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Posted: 7/16/2006 2:53:41 PM | so sorry to hear about your mother BEN but hey I have just read your profile,and WOW everybody take a look,does he sound like a crazied maniac because he is on medication???? no far from it,he sounds wonderful and NORMAL what ever that is supposed to mean.Good luck to you BEN,and yes thankyou my daughter is a normal healthy little girl now thankyou.
Oh and yes you are correct in saying about never give up the medications without the help of a doctor,I did this last year and the side affects were terrible for about 6 weeks and is very dangerous.xxxxxxxxx | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 3:50:26 PM | This is amazing, I read this thread when it was first posted and never expected to see it again
Get over it, it is done | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 4:12:54 PM | I'm not afraid to admit that there have been times in my life when I've suffered from depression. It's never affected me often enough or long enough to seek long term medical help; although the friends that have suffered from it have drawn my attention to it. All I can describe it as is a black hole...a pit where nothing matters, job, bills, relationship, house, car, nothing. You desperately want to get out of this hole and be happy but you have no idea how to...and even if you did, you wouldn't have the energy or motivation to do anything about it anyway.
Even though the symptoms I have suffered are only a fraction of those of many, I can say that most sufferers can lead rich, full and happy lives as long as they follow their medication. I have a successful career, have a fun life and on the whole, successful relationships. I find that when I'm going through this cycle, I have a more difficult time focussing on things and as such just make more effort to compensate - it's harder work for me during that time but it's not unbearable.
Depression is a misunderstood disease and as such, I tend not to bring it up with people as it's easier for my to deal with the symptoms myself than it is to deal with the reaction of people when they find out I'm a sufferer. I talk about it openly with people if they ask, but otherwise, I don't discuss it or go on about it.
Should you run for the hills rather than give a sufferer a chance? No - I have years where I have no symptoms at all and maybe a few weeks where I'm a little off colour, where I sit around for a little while and feel sorry for myself for no other reason than than I haven't seen the sun in 3 weeks straight because of the rain. It's really not as huge a deal as people make out unless you need medication and aren't taking it. Sufferers are no different than anyone else. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 4:55:26 PM | | I have had times over the last few years that I have been terribly depressed so I do have a little idea how it feels. Everyone deserves a chance to be happy, and if the person you are with are important to you try to find a way to deal with it.....Lord knows, I am trying so very hard....My boyfriend is so stubborn and thick headed but that is what makes his depression so much harder to deal with.....He is depressed because he is depressed.......But to all of you out there God never gives us more to deal with than we can tolerate.....He makes each of us like we are for a reason sometimes we will never understand why. Hang in there and I pray that each and every one of you will find what you need to be happy....... | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 5:22:08 PM | Want everyone to know that depression is a chemical inbalance that you are born with.
and what meds do is to put that chemical back and help balance it out....also it is heredity
and runs all through the family genes..so if someone in your family has it then sometime in your lifetime you will get it...it is not mental at all....People really bother me when they say it is a mental issue...because it is not.
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Posted: 7/16/2006 6:21:08 PM | Everyone here has these different theories about medication when depressed. Some say they won't date a person on medication, some say they won't date someone who has depression and isn't treating it. Whether those of us who live with depression choose to medicate or not medicate is a very personal decision. It's not a decision whether to wear blue or black today, it's a decision about whether we want to risk a LOT of potential medical effects. And I do mean A LOT. There are a lot of things that could go wrong when medicating. And that is if you don't forget to take the medication every day at the exact same time (which if I took it in the AM it would affect me differently than had I taken it in the PM, but it always messed with my sleep cycles - weird).
For me, I inherited depression. Damn near everyone in my family has/had depression. My grandmother on my father's side was hospitalized for it several times. It caused my grandmother on my mother's side's Alzheimer's to progress incredibly rapidly.
There are some people who just get a case of the blues and get over it. For those of us with clinical depression, it's much deeper than that. You have to have coping mechanisms, you have to be continuously aware of what is going on around you, in you and about you. You can't have a "day off" from depression. It just doesn't happen. Even when you're incredibly happy, there's still depression looking around the corner waiting for something to break so it can come have a pity party.
But that doesn't mean we need people to walk on egg shells around us. We just need people to be there so that when that ugly monster comes in and takes over our lives, we have someone that swings by to check on us and make sure we've gotten up and at least showered today. We need someone to care enough to walk into our homes and say "let's go" and get us out of the house because sometimes... that's exactly what we need. A break from the reality of our life. A chance to be normal, a chance to get away from the mundane, the bleak, the dark and the depressing. But then, sometimes we need someone to watch sappy movies with us to give us permission to let our tears fall, break the damn down and let them flow because that's what we need today.
But what we need more than anything else, is for someone to love us for who we are. Not whether we take medication or not, because except in INCREDIBLE cases, we are normal... we're not freaks, we're just like you. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 6:57:20 PM | Hello:
Depression is a horrible disease. The medication only masks the real issues. Keeps you in mainstream but flatlined.
Depression must be treated with meds plus analysis or psy council.
I dated a wonderlul lady, lived with her, for almost 3 years. She was usually off centre.
The meds she was taking was not working but refused to try others because she was fed up with the systen and lost all trust in the medical profession being a nurse herself.
She would have 15 minute highs followed by flatlined behavior. To make it easier to treat DR's bless their souls invent labels to attach to people which can become self fulfilling prophecy.
This woman would come home and be asleep often on the couch at 8pm sleep till 1030 or 11 then get into bed take her meds and go to sleep.
She exercised 3 to 4 times a week was in great shape (exercise being one of the aids to depression plus diet) but even this didnt work other than keep her working.
Most often a black cloud hung over her head.
Our society does not have the $'s necessary to treat this disease properly.
So what usually happens is the patient is medicated never gets to the root cause of the depression and goes on day by day apparently functioning., but most often dead inside
All emotions are lumped together. Anger can be identified and so can sadness.
My hope is that all those suffering from depression/chronic depression/manic d. /personality disorder etx. get the hours of therapy needed in combination with meds so there is a chance at living a so called "normal life" that being enjoying life and dealing with its challenges using healthy tools and means of coping to do so | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 7:48:14 AM | | I think it depends on the individual, Ive suffered from depression this year, and have confided in some people more than others. If I was in a relationship I probably would have been opened up to my partner, but some people with depression may not be able to. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 8:28:17 AM | I thought this was over...
I would continue to see that person the day that such a "disease" is SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE AN ORGANIC DISEASE BY A SCIENTIFIC PHYSICIAN.
Various sorts of brain imaging techniques are currently very much in vogue: a PET scan (positron emission tomography, which visualizes regional energy utilization in the brain) of a depressed person is different from the same scan of a "normal" person. A SPECT (single photon emission computed tomography) scan is even more impressive, since it has the ability to visualize particular kinds of receptors. But this line of argument is entirely fallacious. If the argument is: mental state x can be shown to have a physiological substrate, therefore it is pathological, the response is obvious. All mental states, without exception, have neurochemical substrates. This proves exactly nothing. No doubt there are neurochemical differences between conservatives and liberals, too. Who, however, is to decide which state is pathological? Brain imaging techniques are currently the favorite tool used by biopsychiatrists to argue for a purported physiological cause for the various phenomena called "mental illnesses," largely because the scans yield brightly colored pictures of the brain – almost like coloring book drawings – which can be shown to the public and which appear to offer highly dramatic demonstrations of something "wrong" with the brain that has fewer bright colors in it. The public generally knows little about either scientific method or logical inference, and even less about the interpretation of brain scans, and so is likely to be mightily impressed by this "scientific evidence."
So PET and SPECT scans of people called schizophrenic, or depressed, or obsessive-compulsive, are compared to those of people called "normal", and differences between the images are taken as evidence of a biochemical original for mental illness. Do the varieties of consciousness called mental illnesses have a biochemical substrate? Of course they do, but, as noted above, this is only because every kind of mental state has such a substrate.
http://psychrights.org/Research/Digest/TheBrain/NoChemicalImbalances.htm
http://www.adhdfraud.com/commentary/8-8-01-3.htm | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 9:52:41 PM | gmaverick, you are entitled to turn your back on whomever you choose. Go for it.
As for me, I don't care what the studies say, I'd rather experiment with legal medication under a doctor's care, than fall in a pit I can't get out of alone. Lord knows, I could resort to illegal drugs and alcohol. Plenty of depressed people do. A lot of them die.
None of us know when an illness or disability of some kind will strike us down. Guess what? It could be you in need of your partner's love and support through a life-threatening illness, or life-changing disability. How would you want to be treated?
Bad stuff happens to people. We get hurt. We get sick. We get disabled. Life is a series of challenges. We can meet them together. Or we can meet them alone. I'm willing to make the commitment to be there for that special someone no matter what may come. I want the same in return. My choice is for a partnership that meets the challenges together. If my partner is going to turn tail and run when things get tough, then that's not the partner for me. I'd just as soon know it up front. I lived with it too long the other way. I'd rather be alone.
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Posted: 7/17/2006 9:57:48 PM | @ the_truth
This is amazing, I read this thread when it was first posted and never expected to see it again
Get over it, it is done
You don't have to see it again. Don't come back. It isn't done. 
It isn't a matter of getting over it. If that were possible, we'd be the first ones to do it. 
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Posted: 7/17/2006 10:12:43 PM | I understand your point of view, but I DO care what studies say, if there are SCIENTISTS requesting SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of this nonsense, and NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN PRESENTED, THAT means something.
You are entitle to believe whatever you feel comfortable with, there are people who believes on the bible, others believe in Mao Tse Tung, other's in Elvis, and everyone has the right to do so, and drive their lives however they wish.
But I would NEVER be with a person who is taking drugs for a "disease" that has NOT BEEN SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE SUCH!
If I was to agree to something like that, then I would date drug addicts as well, and I don't do that, I respect those whom respect themselves.
And please understand that this is NOT meant to be disrespectful in any way, it is just the exposure of what I know about this subject, and what I think, which like you and everyone else, I am entitle too.
None of us know when an illness or disability of some kind will strike us down. Guess what? It could be you in need of your partner's love and support through a life-threatening illness, or life-changing disability. How would you want to be treated?
If there is an illness DIAGNOSED BY A PHYSICIAN WHICH HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE AN ILLNESS, or a disability; I would be right by my partner, but not because she decide to take drugs for something that are "assumed" to be illnesses.
Oh! And you no necessarily have to go in "illegal drugs" to end up committing suicide, take a look if you like:
http://www.psychiatry.info/deaths-caused-by-psychiatry/drug-company-the-fda-finally-admit-paxil-causes-increased-suicide-risk/ | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 12:14:49 AM |
If there is an illness DIAGNOSED BY A PHYSICIAN WHICH HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE AN ILLNESS, or a disability;I would be right by my partner, but not because she decide to take drugs for something that are "assumed" to be illnesses.
There may be controversy, but clinical depression is a disability and is considered by the majority of the scientific medical community to be an illness. It is covered by medical insurance as such. And we all know they aren't going to pay for anything they can out of!
I have been diagnosed by a physician with Clinical Depression. He prescribed medication, I didn't just decide I would take drugs for an assumed illness. I fought long and hard against it. Have you considered the controversy about many other medical conditions that has raged until they have been finally accepted as illnesses? How long did it take to recognize Legionairre's Disease? or Aids for that matter? And what about the doctors that refused to believe that just washing their hands between patients could save the lives of newly delivered mothers? We know so little about the brain. What I know is the medication I take makes a difference. And that is my experience. For whatever reason, it helps me so I take it.
And suicide? You are right. I don't need "illegal drugs." There are a number of ways to commit suicide. And depressed people are familiar with many of them. Increased suicide risk from paxil? I heard that about Prozac, too. Consider who takes it. People who are at a much higher risk of suicide than the rest of the population. Consider, too, that many people mishandle their medication, either through misunderstanding the instructions, or deciding to self-medicate. Some stop taking it altogether without the doctor's knowledge or advice. That would definitely increase the suicide risk. Not necessarily the paxil, but the lack of it. I wonder if that was factored into your study?
I was diagnosed with Lupus about 2 years ago. One of the symptoms of Lupus is Depression. Lupus is an auto-immune disease. If Depression is a symptom of that disease, that makes it part of the disease process, doesn't it?
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Posted: 7/18/2006 12:58:20 AM | There is no controversy, what there is; is: NOT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF ANY OF THE "psychiatric disease".
You said that you have been diagnosed by a PHYSICIAN with clinical depression..???
Would you mind to say who that physician is???
There is information that expose the fact that the "scientific evidence" been presented is completely invalid, so there's no controversy whatsoever about it, and you have seen some of the reference already, there's NO EVIDENCE plain and simple.
If you feel good taking that "medication" good for you, your life is yours.
You are right Prozac affects the same way, and the info considers the SUICIDAL tendency as an EFFECT OF THE DRUG, NOT as the conditions under which the drugs are taken.
I just would like to know WHO the physician that diagnosed you is.
As a side note, I have to say that I am not interested in making you change the way you think, I'm just giving info. You can used or not as you wish, if you decide that there's no need to look at it because you are happy with those drugs or for any other reason, you have the right to do so.
There is a saying that goes: There's no blinder than one who don't want to see, and no more deaf than one who don't want to hear. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 2:20:05 AM | | i suffer with manic depessoin and not on any tablets but i control it myself compared to others | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 4:35:39 AM | So maverick.. You have made your point..
So tell me in your wisdom dude, if there is no evidence of a mental state, then
why are they feeling the way they do.. and why are these clinical tests that you provide
comparing it to mental illnesses??
Furthermore, the brain produces OPIUM in it's purest form to keep the hairlike structures
leading from the synaps from burning out during electrical impulses..
Some produce more than required and some produce less than required, hence a chemical
imballance.. The meds control the production of the chemical factors of the brain and
NORMALISE the brains activity patterns.. So I do see that there is evidence that these
people suffer from an illness of a mental state.. That is why the colors shown on cat scans
are the same as other illnesses.. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 11:16:23 AM | If you take a look, you'll be able to see that I never said that depression doesn't exist, what I said is that is not an illness, but an EFFECT experienced by the person when there is a suppressive;
(suppress: to squash, to sit on, to make smaller, to refuse to let reach, to make uncertain about his reaching, to render or lessen in any way possible by any means possible, to the harm of the individual and for the fancied protection of a suppressor.)
element on the person's life, that suppressive element could be a person/s or a condition the person is been influenced by, that could be a present time situation that can be located in the immediate environment of the person, and/or a past incident where the person was under such a suppression that has been re-stimulated by similarities on the present environment, what is commonly known as “been stuck on the past” the amount of similarities needed to trigger a past condition varies from person to person.
BTW, I'm not saying "this is how it works" I am answering your question with some info, and if you like to see whether it is right or not, you can take a look yourself and see whether it works like that or not.
Regarding what the brain does, and how it react, there is a lot more than what you just mention, the thing is NOBODY has SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of the meaning of it, seen those reactions on a screen doesn't mean that you'll be able to tell what they mean, and or if they are a cause or effect of a condition, not to mention that ANY external agent can radically alter the image, it seems to me that you didn't take a look at the webs I provided.
And this doesn't come from "my wisdom", it is NOT me who came up with this in society, there is a lot of people, especially scientists dealing with this as we talk, if you honestly want to know I encourage you to take a look yourself, there's plenty of information on internet, you can also talk to professors of neurology, and ask them to give you some info or where could you get it, about this subject, if you really WANT to find it, you will, but I can tell you this: if you address the subject with a prefix Idea, in other words thinking that you know everything there's to know and/or that you already know everything about it, I can assure you that you'll end up in square 1, in such a case I would suggest not to waste your time in it. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 11:26:57 AM | | maverick,why when someone(yes someone like me if you like) have a diagnosis of history mental ILLNESS depressed,sucidal,self harming,disgust with ones self,worthlessness.Have you had this experiance????? my dad didn't believe in mental ILLNESS until he found me on the kitchen floor soddened in my own blood with a knife in my hands, he cried his eyes out and begged me to forgive him for his ignorance in this.An old school friend killed himself jumping from a multi storey car park,he suffered from depression all his life.like it or not ILLNESS and a terrible one at that,that is exactly what it is,just because you can't put a plaster on it does not mean it does not exist.Why are there so many mental illness doctors and cpns if there is no such thing?????? | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 11:34:07 AM | Depression is a fixable condition. It can be fixed with medication or natural herbs. Let me first have a disclaimer that I am not a doctor but have read and researched much on the subject. When people get depressed or too stressed for too long they get an inbalance of chemicals in the brain. They become very low in seritonin. This stuff makes you feel good and without it you feel very dark, sad and can actually feel physical pain as well. That one simple fix could be a life saver for many. People do not have to stay in that state and there is a lot of help and support out there if you know where to find it. Excercise alone can help to activate your seretonin levels. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 11:48:02 AM | PRINCESS LEIGH;
I am sorry to hear that, I know that what you described IS real, but my answer to you is on my previous post.
And I concur that it is a terrible condition.
Yet there are not mental illness doctors/physicians, there are a lot of psychiatrist that put people on drugs to "handle" such a situation.
I encourage you as well too do your own research, I think that if you and/or anyone is been lie to, that person would like to know that.
But IF there is a lie, the only way for you to see it, is by seen it YOURSELF, so I am not saying you have to believe me, but like I just said, if you like to know, there are people who can provide info to you, they are the ones who studied and have SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of what is known up to today about the subject, they are call NEUROLOGISTS.
I hope you get well and wish you find a better way for you to deal with your problem. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 2:21:34 PM | psychiatrists hmmmmmmmmmm they have studied for years in the MENTAL ILLNESS of people,that is there job they know what they are talking about
Like I say I have taken my self of prozac without the help of doctors and suffered terrible side affects from it,if someone is SANE,by taking one red pill a day is that so bad??????????
try getting sexually abused by your grandfather for 13 years and raped by a stranger and see if mentally you can cope and be normal????????? yes I sure there are people who have gone through worse that I have,but at the end of the day,that **stard is still affecting me now 25 years later and effecting my 4 year old daughter,Proud to admit it????NOOOOOOOOOOOO but I can't just shove it under the carpet and forget it for my kids sake,it don't work like that. waking up in the middle of the night having nightmares about it years later still affect me and flash backs still effect me,watching tv and hearing on the news or even a silly soap brings it back to me and I sob,you have no idea what it is like and I hate it and crying myself stupid now writing this trying to prove to you how awful this is.
Do I feel worthless and pathectic???? yes I do all the time,and it does not help having people who know nothing about my past can judge me | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 2:48:42 PM |
psychiatrists hmmmmmmmmmm they have studied for years in the MENTAL ILLNESS of people,that is there job they know what they are talking about
You can assume they do, or you can look for information on the subject and see it yourself.
I know about the terrible side effects and I am aware of how hard it is, it is a drug.
I am very sorry that you had such a bad experience, I know how terrible it is, not because I suffered myself, but because I have seen more people than you can think of in similar conditions, I know it IS terrible.
Now, I want you to understand that I am not judging you nor anyone else here, I DO BELIEVE that you feel the way you say you do, please don't misunderstand me, I am NOT one who enjoys seen innocents suffering, I am on the other side of the spectrum, and if I am mentioning what I said it is directed to call the attention of people who would like to find better ways to deal with their problems and/or to call the attention to the fact that they are been lied to.
I can tell you this: there are other ways, there's plenty of info regarding the truth about Psychiatry on the net, and there's people on the same sources that are able to help in a way that perhaps will make a condition to improve, I invite you to take a look and see for yourself, I believe that anything that may improve a condition is worth to take a look at.
And again good luck to you... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 4:02:20 PM | | gmaverick - what's your motivation for posting on this thread all of the time? Just curious as your posts seem to be so dismissive of people who have/had depression. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 4:53:06 PM | If my posts seem to be so to you, I'll suggest you to take another look; you may be able to see that far from it what dismisses is something completely different.
And I wouldn’t be able to answer your question if I don’t post, hope it makes sense to you.
JENNY;
I saw some of his movies, does it count...??? | |
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