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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/25/2006 8:52:06 PM | Animal Magic,
I bet you 1/4 of the people you know (friends, co-workers, etc) are on some type of medication for anxiety, depression, etc. but you would never know that, would you? Do you ask your friends if they are on meds, and if you found out they were, would you dump them as friends?
And how is a depressed person on the same level as a pedophile? | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/25/2006 9:12:15 PM | The good thing about threads like this is that all the "mentally ill" wacko's come out of the wood work saying "Yes, i'm mental, please feel sorry for me". Which lets everyone on POF know who the sick mental cases are
Your right animal, at least after that uneducated statement, I now know of one on POF | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/25/2006 9:50:37 PM |
bet you 1/4 of the people you know (friends, co-workers, etc) are on some type of medication for anxiety, depression, etc.
Exactly my point. Everyone on the god damn earth is on that stuff. Go into any Western Medical Office in America and ask for some of their narcotics. They will gladly give ya some regardless of your reason for wantin it. Why? Cause it's business. More customers = more money. Every drug dealer on earth knows that.
And how is a depressed person on the same level as a pedophile?
I dunno. Go ask the shrinks, they're the ones that declared it as so. Afterall, their magic pills cure the "disease" of being a child rapist according to them. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/25/2006 11:44:15 PM | Think I may print out Animal's posts and see if I can get my Doc to give me a nice shot of liquid demoral...  | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/25/2006 11:48:35 PM | Animal has brought up some interesting angles on this thread topic. We live in a society based on popping pills for all our little problems in life... "OW".....I stubbed My toe......I need pills.... Try to work things out on our own for a change. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 12:00:56 AM |
Try to work things out on our own for a change.
And how is someone so mired in depression that merely getting out of bed every day is exhausting supposed to be able to "work things out" on his/her own?? | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 12:23:51 AM |
Animal has brought up some interesting angles on this thread topic.
Sorry Soul....but I really can't find anything that Animal has said to be of any interest what-so-ever. To come into a forum and state that anyone that takes medication for clinical depression is a "whacko" is, IMO, a heartless, insensitive human being (and I use the term "human being" VERY loosely).
Animal....I pray that you do not...one day...become affected by depression. Be it yourself, your daughter, mother or brother...whatever. If you do, maybe you would see how others have suffered through this illness. The brain can become ill...just as any other part of the human body. When one takes pills for say....cancer....they do this because they have no other choice. The medication, as well as counselling, are an extremely important part of the healing process. When one is clinically depressed, the neurotransmitters in the brain are not functioning as they should...they cease sending the signals that they should be sending...thus, ending in a chemical imbalance....depression. No amount of therapy can correct this...NONE. Medication has to be administered, in conjunction with therapy. To say that one can beat depression, through sheer will-power....is absolutely ludicrous!!
Again...I hope you are never affected by depression....or do I?  | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 12:37:17 AM | I agree with Animal, I wouldn't date somebody with depression or mental illness. Once in my early years I was dating somebody with this afflication....unknownly, I found out one day as I was walking up the steps behind her when she turned around and kicked me in the head and I started falling backward - her sister caught me.
People, before you go on with your PC responses, please know what you are talking about. It all sounds sweet and all, but really you don't know because you've not had the experience. I probably was of the same mindset as you at one time but as I felt the rush of cool air rushing about me as a sailed down backwards in the stairwell....I got to thinking differently.
SANITY RULES! | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 12:44:26 AM | "I dunno. Go ask the shrinks, they're the ones that declared it as so. Afterall, their magic pills cure the "disease" of being a child rapist according to them./"
Really, so the DSM-IV states being a child rapist as a clinical disease that can be treated with medications.......can you point out the part of the DSM that states that fact?? I'm really curious where you get your "information" from. I don't think you know what you're talking about on that issue. If you can find that direct quote from the DSM, I'd love to read it. The fact that you even put those suffering from depression and child rapists in the same category is truly repulsive. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 12:57:52 AM | Until last year, homosexuality was classified in British Columbia Canada as a mental illness.
Guess why they had to remove it? They had a cure? | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 1:08:24 AM | vivid says
I was dating somebody with this afflication
What affliction was that vivid? In the depths of depression I can barely make it up the stairs much less turn around and kick someone in the head. Perhaps she suffered from something totally different. Maybe domestic violence? Was she trying to protect herself from you? We'll never know will we?
Animal, you have chosen your nick wisely. Having lived most of my life with severe depression and most of that time without meds, I have the experience to tell you that they are worth the money. They aren't perfect. But I'm not letting the doctors cut up my brain to investigate what is going on the way they do the rest of our bodies. Nope, no exploratory brain surgery for me! I'll tolerate the trial and error method. At least I'm still alive. I haven't taken an overdose, slit my wrists, or shot myself in the head. Would you like to talk about wacko? Wacko is being in so much mental anguish that you would rather die than take one more breath. I have been in that place where it has taken every ounce of strength and faith I had to just breathe one more time. And you don't think the meds are worth saving even one life? That's a real shame. Because they have saved mine. And I am worth saving. Jesus thought so, He died on a cross for me (and you, too, BTW). And He rose from the dead to prove that we will, too. So now you can call me a mentally ill wacko who is a religious fanatic. It doesn't matter. You can call me a chair. It won't make me a chair. You see, I consider the source. And God's opinion far outweighs yours.
God says I'm His precious child and that I have an inheritance in heaven waiting for me. There have been plenty of days and nights I've asked Him to let me come NOW! So far, He's always said no. So I just struggle on the best I can. I take my meds, I see my doc, and I live my life. Some days are great, some aren't. I'm not vicious and mean. Usually, I want to crawl in a hole and be left alone. But like a hurt animal, if you come in after me, you are taking a risk. I'm a sophopmore in college, on the Dean's List, and will graduate in May with Three Associates Degrees: English, Spanish, and Music. At the moment I have a 3.4 GPA. I must be doing something right.
God bless you Animal. I'm sorry you are so angry and hurt. I pray you find peace and healing for your wounds. It's there for the asking.
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 1:21:42 AM | | I sufferred post natal depression after my first baby. I don,t know what the big deal is. People are not from another planet because they get depressed. What people need is a bit of love and understanding, unfortunately their is not always enough of that going on in this world and that is one of the reasons people do get depressed because they have sufferred hurt or lost their job or something and what they need is encouragement and a friend to listen and who cares about them. Thats all and to know how special and important they are to God who always loves and cares for us. take care and if anyone is feeling down they can contact me. take care love Denise | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 1:29:44 AM |
What affliction was that vivid? In the depths of depression I can barely make it up the stairs much less turn around and kick someone in the head. Perhaps she suffered from something totally different. Maybe domestic violence?
I don't know for certain what she had....I know through the many media stories in todays papers describe the perps as having depression before they "snapped" & killed innocent people. Domestic violence? Please; this is what I'm trying to warn others about this condition - you could be walking up the stairs after a movie with your crazy gf and her sister when things can go so wrong in a blink of an eye. That was the most shocking thing - the violence comes without warning. There was nothing there - it just happend. I could have pressed charges but her sister and parents were very supportive with me and I just left it at that. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 2:02:04 AM | I have been haveing crying spells for a few year's i hold ALOT of stuff in and its hard to let it out but it is alot better i do NOT need med's to make me in a good/better mood and i have not had an spell in a few year's i bearly cry at all even at funneral's i'll hold it in but there is nothing, wrong with someone haveing depression it is just a part of life we ALL have it. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 3:00:25 AM |
so the DSM-IV states being a child rapist as a clinical disease that can be treated with medications..
Uh, EVERYTHING is a disease that can be cured with their drugs according to shrinks! When a messed up Judge sentences a child raper to so-called court ordered "treatment" for "pedophelia" guess what the shrink treats them with? Yep that's right razzberry, the same worthless drugs they give the "clinically depressed" people.
The fact that you even put those suffering from depression and child rapists in the same category is truly repulsive.
Um, no actually psychiatrists are the ones that put depressed people and pedophiles in the same boat, under the same umbrella of "mentally ill". Not me. And uh, that would make the psychiatrists the "repulsive ones". Not me. As for myself, I'm a straight thinking man who correctly places child rapists into the category of "heinous criminals who make a willful choice based on their free will to hurt a child for their own personal gain". As oppossed to "poor little sick men that can't control their impulsive urges to have sex wiff lil boys an girls cause they have a chemical imbalance and genetic brain disorder blah blah waah wahhh!". | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 3:43:56 AM | I'd be more attracted to them. We share something in common.
I'm up front about the fact I suffer from depression. And here on POF the reaction has been consistent when I let it be known.
They run screaming for the door. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 3:49:44 AM | rgraham666....
That is narrowminded for people to do that i mean nobody can help the fact they suffer from depression but it shows how much you care about yourself and other's that you/someone is willing to be STRAIGHT about it in the start, than hide it from them and then they haveing find out the hard way.  | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 3:51:15 AM | Looking at Animal's and some of the other posters responses here I can think only one thing.
"It's a pity bigotry and ignorance aren't recognised in the DSM-IV. There might be more help available for these poor souls if there were." | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 3:54:03 AM | "It's a pity bigotry and ignorance aren't recognised in the DSM-IV. There might be more help available for these poor souls if there were."
It's not classified because it's the way of the world.
More help? Like meds??? Did you know that those individuals who classify the disorders also tied FINANCIALLY to the drug company's??
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/19/AR2006041902560.html
"I don't think the public is aware of how egregious the financial ties are in the field of psychiatry," said Lisa Cosgrove, a clinical psychologist at the University of Massachusetts
All I'm saying is the problem with these illnesses is that it's NOT organic but stems from the personality of the 'patient' - sometimes you have to take responsibility for your own actions and not blame it on an illness. That's not ignorance or bigotry - it's belief.
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 4:12:21 AM | If the drug companies want to make millions by producing medications that helps me function, then they are welcome to it.
Does anybody begrudge the profits of the companies that make insulin, heart meds, CF meds and let us not forget Viagra ~ quickest approval EVER by the FDA.......
And I guess those with "depression beliefs" are able to somehow change their CAT scans? | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 4:19:45 AM | What a thread....
I see that he stigma of mental illness is alive an well.
And I HATE that word! Do we call other illnesses physical illness? The brain is just another body part and we should really use term "illness" don't you think?
Lots of stigma and lots of misinformation. So little compassion for people that deserve it the same as if they had any other physical illness.
Have a great week everyone.... | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 4:30:57 AM | Does anybody begrudge the profits of the companies that make insulin, heart meds, CF meds and let us not forget Viagra ~ quickest approval EVER by the FDA.......
Drugs are poisons....mostly. They inhibit certain proteins from occuring naturally or in cancer patients they are akin to a carpet-bombing destroying everything in it's path.
The cause of depression has not been determined, Spelly. If the drugs were the true CURE to depression, then tell me; what use is a psychologist? Hmmmmm.....interesting ain't it?
Some people want to be dumbed down with drugs....perhaps they don't have the tools nor the time to develop the tools to help them cope with life's miseries - all I'm saying is that other people don't have time for them either. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 8:16:14 AM |
Exactly my point. Everyone on the god damn earth is on that stuff. Go into any Western Medical Office in America and ask for some of their narcotics. They will gladly give ya some regardless of your reason for wantin it. Why? Cause it's business. More customers = more money. Every drug dealer on earth knows that. I dunno. Go ask the shrinks, they're the ones that declared it as so. Afterall, their magic pills cure the "disease" of being a child rapist according to them.
Uh, EVERYTHING is a disease that can be cured with their drugs according to shrinks! When a messed up Judge sentences a child raper to so-called court ordered "treatment" for "pedophelia" guess what the shrink treats them with? Yep that's right razzberry, the same worthless drugs they give the "clinically depressed" people.
If *everyone* is on it, then you must be too, no? Don’t generalize…it makes anything else you say suspect. Sure there are doctors who will prescribe drugs at the drop of a hat; so it’s up to each person to ensure they’re not taking something they don’t need. That’s why people need to do research. And as far as curing a child rapist, anyone who says that is incorrect; they may be able to prevent *some* of them from doing it again, with meds and/or therapy, but they are not cured. Also, a rapist, of a child or an adult, doesn’t have a disease; comparing it to depression is like comparing apples and cars.
Um, no actually psychiatrists are the ones that put depressed people and pedophiles in the same boat, under the same umbrella of "mentally ill". Not me. And uh, that would make the psychiatrists the "repulsive ones". Not me. As for myself, I'm a straight thinking man who correctly places child rapists into the category of "heinous criminals who make a willful choice based on their free will to hurt a child for their own personal gain". As oppossed to "poor little sick men that can't control their impulsive urges to have sex wiff lil boys an girls cause they have a chemical imbalance and genetic brain disorder blah blah waah wahhh!".
Obviously you haven’t done any research on mental illness either. ‘Mental illness’ covers numerous things, and some mental illness may be due to physical, organic, or biologic problems. Not all people designated with a mental illness may actually have one, but many people do have mental illnesses that are helped by drugs, therapy, etc. Yes, depression may be classified as a mental illness, just as post partum is; and pedophiles may also have their traits designated as a mental illness. The difference is that many pedophiles know what they’re doing is wrong, as evidenced by the fact that they try to hide it. Also, while some may give in to their impulses, some do not. And there’s no definitive diagnosis as to why people have these impulses; some may be due to injury to the brain, malformation of the brain, etc. rarely have I seen it spoken of as a chemical imbalance.
Animal has brought up some interesting angles on this thread topic. We live in a society based on popping pills for all our little problems in life... "OW".....I stubbed My toe......I need pills.... Try to work things out on our own for a change.
^^^^Another person who knows nothing about depression weighs in. Please, educate yourself before speaking of things you know nothing about.
I agree with Animal, I wouldn't date somebody with depression or mental illness. Once in my early years I was dating somebody with this afflication....unknownly, I found out one day as I was walking up the steps behind her when she turned around and kicked me in the head and I started falling backward - her sister caught me. People, before you go on with your PC responses, please know what you are talking about. It all sounds sweet and all, but really you don't know because you've not had the experience. I probably was of the same mindset as you at one time but as I felt the rush of cool air rushing about me as a sailed down backwards in the stairwell....I got to thinking differently. I don't know for certain what she had....I know through the many media stories in todays papers describe the perps as having depression before they "snapped" & killed innocent people. Domestic violence? Please; this is what I'm trying to warn others about this condition - you could be walking up the stairs after a movie with your crazy gf and her sister when things can go so wrong in a blink of an eye. That was the most shocking thing - the violence comes without warning. There was nothing there - it just happend. I could have pressed charges but her sister and parents were very supportive with me and I just left it at that.
It’s obvious you don’t know exactly what problem this person had. And as we’re only hearing your side of the story, who’s to say that this person didn’t get angry at you for something you said or did to her? Calling her ‘crazy’ is just another way of showing your ignorance about the subject. It’s also obvious you never attempted to learn anything about depression. Yes, some people may be depressed and ‘snap’; but that’s not the norm…most people who are depressed hurt them self, not others. Most people with depression are not violent. Those who are manic-depressive or bipolar may hurt others and possibly this is what she had – but if you had been dating her for awhile, one wonders why you wouldn’t have noticed anything prior to this episode. Also, many of the people on this thread have either had depression them self or been with someone who did and have educated themselves about it; I’d say we know a lot more about it than you do.
All I'm saying is the problem with these illnesses is that it's NOT organic but stems from the personality of the 'patient' - sometimes you have to take responsibility for your own actions and not blame it on an illness. That's not ignorance or bigotry - it's belief. Drugs are poisons....mostly. They inhibit certain proteins from occuring naturally or in cancer patients they are akin to a carpet-bombing destroying everything in it's path. The cause of depression has not been determined, Spelly. If the drugs were the true CURE to depression, then tell me; what use is a psychologist? Hmmmmm.....interesting ain't it? Some people want to be dumbed down with drugs....perhaps they don't have the tools nor the time to develop the tools to help them cope with life's miseries - all I'm saying is that other people don't have time for them either.
Again, you show just how little you know about depression. Personality doesn’t make someone depressed. Sure, there are people who have no conscience; people who are solely concerned with them self and no one else; people who do what they want regardless of who else it hurts. That’s NOT depression. Once again it’s obvious that you don’t know much at all about depression and the various forms of it. There are numerous forms of depression and each type can affect an individual differently. Each individual is unique and also responds differently to medications, therapy, etc. There isn’t a one size fits all when it comes to depression OR how to treat it. And your last sentence shows such a lack of understanding about depression and also your lack of compassion…and luckily ‘most people;’ aren’t like you. Perhaps you need to take of your rose colored glasses and realize that life isn’t perfect, people aren’t perfect, and that there are people who do have time for those who are dealing with a problem, whatever that problem is. I wonder if people like you and the others quoted above would run away from someone they loved if they came down with post-partum depression, diabetes, cancer, etc. Somehow I don’t think you’d be very supportive or stick around very long. | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 8:42:07 AM | RE: Who Me???
"I have dated someone who suffers from this disease and watched them go off the meds thinking they were strong enough without them...."
This is what I am talking about.. They think they can do without them, but can they really.. I have seen a few people I know do this and fail time and time again.. Is there a cure for it.. or are they doomed to take pills for the rest of their lives??
First of all, thank you for posting this thread - I do believe there is much to be learned/taught regarding this illness, as most assume that whomever has it, is simply 'nuts'. Hence, the 'stigma'. Most fear the unknown, or should I say, have 'anxieties' about it. Anxiety and depression go hand in hand...if you don't 'treat' it, THAT is nuts! It is very treatable, the medications they've made now are miracle workers. I think what happens though is that people get on those medications, and they feel better, hence the 'treatment'...the downfall is that it may make you feel so well again that you believe you don't need to continue to take them. It's a total catch 22. It's humiliating to fess up to the illness, that's what the illness is all about - insecurity, being hard on yourself...making it virtually impossible to spill the beans upfront. People with fetishes and addictions probably don't fess up, upfront about their diseases...you do have to feel the person out who you are dating, to see if they're mature enough to understand, and not laugh at it. It would be a lot easier to fess up to say, diabetes...something out of your hands. Well, so is depression/anxiety, truth be told; yes you are 'doomed' to take the meds, as you would as a diabetic. Each case is different, therapy may be enough for some, and not enough for others. At least some doctors are now more aware of the illness, and taking it seriously, and treating it. Most doctors still think people with this illness are 'nuts', one doctor told me. So what can be expected from the general public? The best thing you can do is educate yourself about it!
As there still no cure for the common cold, diabetes, cancer, and the like; there is no absolute cure for depression/anxiety. But, as with the common cold, diabetes, and cancer, there are treatments to manage it! | |
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| A hidden truth.. Depression... Posted: 6/26/2006 9:47:50 AM | | AnimalMagic, you are ignorant beyond belief. You can't see past your own faults to really give a dam about anyone but yourself. You really think that you help everyone in this world with your kind of behaviour? Go volunteer work with the mentally ill, the poor, the sick and the homeless. Live without any of your precious comforts of this world, pretty jewelry, regular food and clothing. I say these things because it's obvious you are too comfortable with things for yourself in such that you no longer can have any compassion whatsoever for anyone. You no doubt have isolated yourself quite conviently from any such ills in the world. If you truly had any understanding of suffering, you would have never made such statements as you have continually done. Indeed there is some truth in what you have said, yet some truth is never the whole truth. Learn the whole truth. Mental illness is real. Yes, there are those who wrongly do things. Yes, there are people who justly do things. It is case by case, not a generalization, all or nothing and labelling. Would you rather yourself be judged by others as you judge them? If you will not allow yourself to suffer any ill to learn compassion for others, then go on your way of life and see what consequences of such earns you. I guarantee you will not like those consequences in your way of life as it is. | |
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