| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 4:31:50 AM |
but it doesnt offer any ideas as too how the big bang started or where it came from
This is because at the moment we can not provide any evidence for anything before 1 billionth of a second after the big bang. as such it is imposable at present to theorise what came before the big bang, or even if there was a "before the big bang".
why is it that there couldnt be another universe
No reason at all as far as we know. To all our current knowledge there could be a near infinate amount of outher universes existing outside of ours.
if he exists why cant there be a second one
Technicaly christians belive that god is a triumverate, father son and holly spirit, but now i'm going to get shouted at by some chrsitians for pointing that out. There are other religiouns out there that belive there are multiple gods and that they created more than one universe. For example, there are at least nine universes in norse belife, all ontop of each other and the gods could travel from one to the other at will.
where did this God come from
If time began when the universe began, then before the univrse began there was no time. As a result of this, anything that existed in this non-time would have no begining or end, so if god came before the universe and the universe was the orogin of time then god would need no orogin.
hawking theory and hawking radiation and stuff like that but where did it all come from
Try to picture the universe as a wet patch on a cloth, and the multiverse as the cloth. When a drop of water hits the cloth, a wet patch is created that spreads out, or a universe is created by a natural phenomena, and spreads out across the multiverse.
Eventually the wet patch dries up and turns into more rain that falls back on the sheet creating new wet patches. The same is posible with universes, they eventually strech out so far that there are no forces powerfull enough to hold them together and they disapate.
It is also posible for more than one wet patch to be on the cloth at one time, and for wet patches to meet up and combine. In a similar fasion it would also be posible for more than one universe to exist at one time.
Now imagine a bacteria that can only survive where there is water. It exists in a single wet patch and would have no way of knowing that there were other wet patches out there, just as we exist in a single universe and have no way of knowing if there are other universes out there, because in order to do so, we would kneed to exit the universe.
but where is the multiverse. what is it exactly?
A multiverse may be like a container full of sand with each grain of sand being a universe. Or it may be like a glass of water with every molecule being a universe. Or it may be like snowflake, with each water molecule being a universe, or it may be like a dancing banana  , we just don't know i'm afraid. there are many ways to picture a multiverse but no way to know if we are right or wrong.
Personally I like to imagine the mulitverse as a one dimensional point, everywhere and no where. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 7:50:00 AM | | I'm also one of the ones who believe there's a multiverse... There's potential for an infinate amount of snowflakes, trees, fingerprints and so forth... Why would universes be any different? | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 7:52:54 AM | 24. exactly 24.
I have been in all of them, our one if the best, so that's why I am here | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 7:55:25 AM | it's all up to the people.
this one is the best, because it has the most attractive women.
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I'm also one of the ones who believe there's a multiverse... There's potential for an infinate amount of snowflakes, trees, fingerprints and so forth... Why would universes be any different? | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 1:47:41 PM |
Utter nonsense. Your statements have no scientific meaning or validity. Sorry.  LOL Funny! I agree. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 2:17:36 PM | Zentral
Another concept I find people have trouble with is the idea that the universe as a whole (not our current visible/measurable universe) had to have a beginning. There is nothing to indicate that is true - the universe or multiverse could well be infinite and have no beginning.
In the first place there is no data that indicates the existence of several other universes. The multiverse theory has no means of testing what it postulates. The quantum fluctuations are very short lived and the Big Bang is the most likely explanation to our existence. Of course no theory in phisics is absolute and definitive.
Stephen Hawking does present a very good argument for the no-boundary universe by using imaginary time, however he himself encounters some problems with it. Our current universe (as we know it and can study) had a begining according to the Standard Model, and all laws of phisics would break down at it`s singularity, so there is no way to predict the past. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 2:53:07 PM | Hmmm... thinking thought here, what would be on the other side of a black hole? (And just remember the topic folks before you answer  ) | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:34:19 PM | how many universes are there?
I believe that there are as many as there are stars in the sky and beyond...
+ a whole lot of other stuff | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 3:43:48 PM | | The universe is an idea in the mind of man. There will be as many universes as man thinks up. For my sake, let there be three. One for rainy days, one just for the happiest of possums, and the last for everything anyone ever lost and wants to think it ended up someplace. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/22/2008 4:55:35 PM |
Technicaly christians belive that god is a triumverate, father son and holly spirit, but now i'm going to get shouted at by some chrsitians for pointing that out.
Not "shouted at" (wuss!), but "corrected" for sure. Christianity doesn't contain any reference to a Doctrine of Triumvirate-ness! Never has. Look up "triumvirate" in a dictionary. If you paid someone to tell you that, get a refund. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/23/2008 4:43:51 AM |
Christianity doesn't contain any reference to a Doctrine of Triumvirate-ness!
Matthew 3:16–17: "As soon as Jesus Christ was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and landing on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.' " (also Mark 1:10–11; Luke 3:22; John 1:32)
Matthew 28 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (see Trinitarian formula).
2 Corinthians 13 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you."
1 John 5:7–8: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (This is the controversial Comma Johanneum, which did not appear in Greek texts before the sixteenth century.)
Luke 1:35: "The angel answered and said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.' "
Hebrews 9 "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"
Jesus also refers to the Holly spirit as being seperate from himself as well. So infact the bible dose refer to a triumverate. A triumverate being a rulling set of three equal powers.
Throughout most of christianity this is refered to as the trinity, but not universally so. the CJCLS refers to it as the godhead (three distinctly seperate beings as oposed to three beings in one in the trinity) and the RCC belive in Modalism, where god has three faces (aspects) rather than exists as three entities.
Look up "triumvirate" in a dictionary.
tri·um·vi·rate –noun
1. Roman History. the office or magistracy of a triumvir.
2. a government of three officers or magistrates functioning jointly.
3. a coalition of three magistrates or rulers for joint administration.
4. any association of three in office or authority.
5. any group or set of three.
so how exactly dose this not apply to the idea of trinity?
If you paid someone to tell you that, get a refund.
Who would I have paid and why? I just don't get why people would pay others to teach them religion when it is something that is ment to be personal?
Not "shouted at" (wuss!), but "corrected" for sure.
Please do let me know when you decide to correct me.
Oh, and I would apreciate if you could refrain from personal insults, it realy is beneath you to act so.
Anyway, to stear back on topic so that this dose not stray any further than the discusion of multiple gods...
I belive, that if you acept the posobility of any god existing, then it is only rational to acept that multiple gods could exist. I mean seriously, what is there in all of christian theology that prevents the posobility of more than one god?
It is also posible to talk about difrent aspects of one god, that present themselves as seperate gods, for example in Celtic paganism there is the Morigan who is maiden, mother and crone, but although she apears as three entities with three seperate personalities, she is one godhead, a triumvearte god.
To the OP, have you ever thought of the posobility that all of the gods of old, were beings that existed in outside the universe and they all fought over controll of our universe? It would sertainly make an intresting novel. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 1/23/2008 5:05:32 AM | I have come across this question in science, philosophy and theology. Some cosmological theories and also the Everett interpretation of Quantum Theory seem to suggest there might be other universes than our own. I did read a fairly technical paper on this by Max Tegmark, but personally I see it as very speculative, and there isn't at the moment serious observational evidence to suggest the existence of any universes beside our own.
In philosophy there is the question, in modal logic, of possible worlds. David Lewis argued in a paper that there are many possible 'worlds' beside our own, though he doesn't seem to argue they are actual. I think philosophers are willing to consider worlds which are logically possible (usually for thought experiments) but that doesn't mean they consider such worlds existent.
In theology we have the question could God have made other worlds besides this one. This was a concern for medieval and early modern philosophers, but not so much now. Generally theistic philosophers seem to agree that it is possible for God in his omnipotence to make other universes, provided these universes don't involve logical contradiction. Liebniz argued this universe is in fact the best one God could make (not in terms of human happiness, but in terms of complexity, harmony and beauty of parts) out of all possible universes. But against this the more classic theists like Augustine or Ockham might say it is within God's infinite power to make other worlds beside this one, but God is not required or obligated to make every possible world or being into an actually existent one. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 3:32:41 PM |
I did read a fairly technical paper on this by Max Tegmark, but personally I see it as very speculative, and there isn't at the moment serious observational evidence to suggest the existence of any universes beside our own.
That's true but the thing is, we have no idea what exists outside of our current universe... It could be anything, but one thing we know is that we are in one... It makes more sense to think there are other universes than to think something else is there.
But against this the more classic theists like Augustine or Ockham might say it is within God's infinite power to make other worlds beside this one, but God is not required or obligated to make every possible world or being into an actually existent one.
I think they're kinda missing the point... It doesn't matter what a creator god is obligated or not obligated to do... We know one variable exists... My logic says that alone shows there is potential for others... Given an infinate amount of time and space, anything is possible except ultimate stagnation... God or no God. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 5:57:58 PM | One theory is that the universe is flat and Infinite.
What we call the "Big bang" was just a localized event that caused our area in the universe to inflate and create energy and mass. This could have been caused by two membrains in higher dimentions coliding.
scince we can only see about 14 billion years in any direction we cannot see any other areas that might be doing the same thing as we are.
Just remember if we traveled 14 billion light years to the edge of what we can see we would be able to see another 14 billion light years.... and so on and so on... infinitley
Boggles the mind dosn't it. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 8:41:39 PM |
how many universes are there?
No one is going to know in our life time... I do know I "live" in two them though. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 10:35:19 PM |
One theory is that the universe is flat and Infinite.
Sounds interesting, but what would be above and below this flatness? | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:56:40 AM |
Sounds interesting, but what would be above and below this flatness?
Flat is a relative term use to signifiy the universe is not closed ... that is it does not curve back on it'self and form a loop, sphere, bubble, donut or other shape. It appears flat to our perceptions.
It has been therorized there are "Higher" dimentions that form "Membranes" and our Universe exists as a point on one of these "Branes" . If two of there "branes" colide or touch an incredible amount of energy is released causing a "Big Bang" like event at the point of contact.
That is the current theory as I understand it.
Check out: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-beauty-of-branes
There is a lot of info on this stuff at the sciam web site. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 2/2/2008 12:00:15 PM |
24. exactly 24.
I have been in all of them, our one if the best, so that's why I am here
I thought it was 42? maybe you should check out the rest of them and let us know!
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Posted: 2/2/2008 12:08:16 PM |
what would be on the other side of a black hole?
Black holes are part of this universe. They radiate all there energy away and eventualy evaporate (Hawking Radiation). They are the ultaimate recyclers at they convert all the mass they capture back into pure energy and release it back into the universe.
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 2/2/2008 2:24:58 PM | | If we look out on a starry night we observe hundreds of suns. God being purposeful, no doubt has planets spinning around each one of them and probably intelligent life forms on many of them as well. These suns are observable in space so they exist in our dimension. They are spaced impossibly large distances apart probably purposely so communication and travel between them is impossible in this dimension. Then we have the various dimensions as well; seven heavens and three hells, or is it three heavens and seven hells? Anyway, it would at first glance seem untenable for one Being to manage it all and yet somehow He must. It's possible that a great hierarchy of subordinate beings have duties in the accomplishment of this. If all angels were once men; and these men may have lived on one of many possible planets, it should give us pause. We mustn't look at what we are, but have great hope in what we may become as eternal entities in the service of the Almighty. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 2/2/2008 5:37:15 PM | | I don't think it's possible for us to know how many universes there are. Best we can do is a SWAG (Scientific Wild A**** Guess) | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 4/16/2008 10:50:59 AM | you ever notice that you can take something and break it down to a very small length.
like a meter. you have a decimeter, centimeter, millimeter. and from there it gets smaller and smaller.
and the same with getting bigger. you have feet, yards, miles, leagues, fathoms, lightyears, parsects,
dont know where im going with that but if things just keep getting bigger, then when does it stop? what if it doesnt stop?
what if our understanding of how the universe exists is totally wrong and things have just existed forever.
and on another note, i was always told that you cant have one without a second to match it. there is never just one. so there would have to be a second universe. and that is where the aliens comes from. not from another planet like ours. it is our planet, its just their universe has different rules than ours.
but also the idea still stands in my mind that their are as many universes as there are the number of possible combinations of events that could happen in one single millisecond of time. that is if time exists at all. | |
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| how many universes are there?
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:54:54 AM | think of a universe as a bubble. as you blow air into it, it expands, just as if it was an explosion and the blast is expanding outward.
now every molecule of air will represent a galaxy. and so there are millions of galaxies within this bubble. but the reason it expands is because the air around it lets that happen. now had you tried to blow this bubble inside of a container, the bubble would only get so big before it wouldnt grow anymore.
so after that image, im wondering what is on the other side of the edge of the universe? it couldnt be another universe, unless another universe neighboring ours is getting smaller, or moving to the side. to make room for ours, but then in that case there would still have to be some type of container that encompasses these 2 universes. because there needs to be open space in order to move.
and what happens if the end of our universe gets so big, that the boundary of it gets so stretched out that it tears, like a bubble. it only has so much fluid to sustain its shape and protect the air inside it. and what would happen if it did pop? would everything get sucked out, maybe thats what a black hole really is, a tear in the universe. and the atmosphere outside of the area outside of the universe has even less pressure than the inside, if thats possible.
and why is it that you would trust a book written by man in the hearsay of God. why is it that you trust this book when it says god is perfect. how do you know he is perfect. i was always taught in church that man is gods image and likeness, so why is it that we arent perfect like he is, if in fact he is perfect.
and from my understanding, in order to make something tangible you have to be tangible, and quantum matter doesnt make other matter. without collaborating with other matter. but in order for quantum matter to exist, there has to be a place for it to exist. so if God is quantum matter, what was before God and where did he exist.
and here is another question. i know of a few people that breed dogs, most of them happen to be devout catholics. isnt that an oxymoron? i mean they are practicing evolution yet believe in intelligent design. what the hell? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 12:36:38 PM | Bright1Rziel said:
The RCC belive in Modalism, where god has three faces (aspects) rather than exists as three entities.
If you were referring to Roman Catholics, that would be incorrect. Modalism, also known as Sabellianism, was condemned as an error by us in the 3rd century. We believe that the Trinity is made up of one God in three Persons. | |
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