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Posted: 1/25/2007 6:39:39 PM | I know that in moderation it really can be beneficial to ones health, however I'm not one of those people. It's kind of embarrassing, but I react really badly to it.
Personally, I don't care if people smoke it, just so long as I don't have to smell it. I don't really condone people becoming complete potheads either, but I'm not one to go and get an attitude about it. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 5:14:35 PM | Marijuana is safer than Ativan, Prozac or Seroquel.
The only reason why marijuana is not legal is so Big Business can make money off industries such as pharmaceuticals, paper, and construction.
Hemp is the food, paper and construction form of cannabis, while marijuana is the "invented" drug demonized by some lady judge from Alberta.
Anyone who says marijuana is bad is almost as bad as a racist. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 5:28:23 PM | | People who are addicts are going to find something to get addicted to. That's what addicts do and it's no reason not to allow responsible adults to make their own decisions about what they want to put in their own bodies. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 6:24:30 PM | As far as the cancer part is concerned... smoking 22,000 joints would equate to 4.8 years of smoking if EQUAL to cigarettes at 1/2 pack a day.
But... joints apparently have DOUBLE the tar as cigarettes... less filtration... and is held in the lungs longer. So that needs to be taken into account as well. Smoking 12 -13 joints a day to equate it to cigarettes, would be a lil bit excessive I think.
The article mentioned on the first page ( http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm ) stated that the THC in marijuana aided in the turnover of dead cells so even though a higher concentration of tar is held in the lungs the likelihood this would develop into cancer was low.
Fascinating!
Maybe THC is a cure for cancer! | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 3:00:51 PM | I have yet to meet someone thats went on to harder things from smoking weed ...Iv never tried anything but weed and and beer ...and the beer got me in trouble/fights/jailed .
Anyone that that thinks its a drug needs to get off the high horse and go FYS ... | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 3:16:43 PM | I don't know to what extend Marijuana is healthy or unhealthy. I could agree with the herbal theory of it (in its pure version) could be good, I read a lot of stories of people with cancer and other deadly diseases lived way longer they forecasted by their doctor. I know they want to legalize it as the medical treatment too, sold in pharmacy by prescription.
The thing about dealer bought Marijuana is that it's never in its pure version; there are always traces of other things in it, like Coke or other. Good drug dealer will never sell you pure Marijuana, they will add other addictives to it, and so you keep coming back for more. By the time you know it, you will be dependent, not on pot, but on the other highly addictive stuff. The only guarantee to have a pure pot is to grow it yourself, but that stinks.
Pot, for most of drug addicts is just an entry point before heavier stuff, that's why we don't have Marijuana Dealers, we have Drug Dealers, and it’s always a mix of drugs in it.
So maybe the pure (home grown - legal BTW) Marijuana is a Friend, and the street bought is a Foe. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 3:59:16 PM |
The thing about dealer bought Marijuana is that it's never in its pure version; there are always traces of other things in it, like Coke or other. Good drug dealer will never sell you pure Marijuana, they will add other addictives to it, and so you keep coming back for more. By the time you know it, you will be dependent, not on pot, but on the other highly addictive stuff. The only guarantee to have a pure pot is to grow it yourself, but that stinks.
Pot, for most of drug addicts is just an entry point before heavier stuff, that's why we don't have Marijuana Dealers, we have Drug Dealers, and it’s always a mix of drugs in it.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 6:31:50 PM | I don't do drugs, but I had a few close friends of mine who went through the Rehab Program. I have to say, I have learned a lot. Way more then I ever wanted to know or to see... Reading articles or books or other publications it's completely different then when you are next to someone who is recovering and to go through the recovery process with them amongst all kinds of addicts... Quite an eye opener... If you don't believe me, try attending a few meetings. Honestly, I don't care if I am wrong. Worst that could happen is that someone might be more cautions...
Can you honestly say all Marijuana dealers sell you pure Marijuana? You never had better or worse trips on it, not knowing why?
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Posted: 4/8/2007 10:20:41 PM | ^^^I should know better than to post impulsively, forgive me.
The thing about dealer bought Marijuana is that it's never in its pure version; there are always traces of other things in it, like Coke or other.
In my estimation this statement is wrong, please quote your sources.
Good drug dealer will never sell you pure Marijuana, they will add other addictives to it, and so you keep coming back for more. By the time you know it, you will be dependent, not on pot, but on the other highly addictive stuff..
In my estimation this statement is wrong, please quote your sources.
The only guarantee to have a pure pot is to grow it yourself, but that stinks..
Okay, half right, it is kind of stinky.
Pot, for most of drug addicts is just an entry point before heavier stuff, that's why we don't have Marijuana Dealers, we have Drug Dealers, and it’s always a mix of drugs in it.
In my estimation this statement is wrong, please quote your sources.
There are some nasty, amazingly addictive, life ruining drugs out there, without question.
Available on the street and across a counter.
This thread isn't about those drugs.
It is about Marijuana.
A plant.
Honestly, I don't care if I am wrong. Worst that could happen is that someone might be more cautions...
Wrong again. The worst that could happen is that people who need it for medical and compassionate purposes will be denied it because people who don't care, or have competing economical interests, or simply don't know what they are talking about will deny them legal therapeutic access.
On Topic:
It is a friend to my friend with MS, who experiences greater mobility through it's use.
It is a friend to my friend with depression, who sees a brighter side of life through it's use.
It is a friend to my bi-polar friend, flattening out the curves of his extremes through it's use.
It was a friend to my friend when she was on chemotherapy, mitigating her nausea.
It is a friend to my friend with arthritis, controlling his crippling and debilitating pain.
It was a friend to my friend who found it controlled anxiety while she quit smoking cigarettes. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 10:53:46 PM |
In my estimation this statement is wrong, please quote your sources.
You state she is wrong, yet you provide no sources of your own to prove this. By stating she's wrong, you've put the onus on yourself for evidence. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to show that much of what she said is true ate least SOME of the time.
Okay, half right, it is kind of stinky.
Actually, completely correct. If the source is out of your hands, so is any guarantee of the "purity".
It is about Marijuana.
A plant.
Yes - but for those who would obfuscate by calling it a "plant", it is a plant which contains chemicals defined as drugs, and it is a plant USED for that content. Unless you'd prefer to smoke hemp? Peyote - a plant, Psilocybin - a fungus, Fugu - a fish, Clostridium - a bacterium. Obscuring the chemical content by altering the definition won't change the effects.
The benefits of marijuana would be better obtained by refining the active ingredients, than by burning a plant with an uncertain level or balance of thousands of chemicals.
The examples of people benefitting are good ones, but I have NO empathy for someone suffering anxiety while quitting smoking. Cry me a river. Trade one stinky habit for another. To one degree or another, the other examples have alternate, more predictable treatments.
Suffice to say, it's a mixed bag. For some, it's a boon. Keep chronic users away from me though, I simply find their judgement to be frighteningly dangerous. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 11:22:56 PM | well i wouldnt date a pothead
or any other drug addict/ alcoholic
been there done that and dont intend to waste my time on em again
if ur that immature u cant grow up n get offf the drugs or booze u arent mature enuf to have a relationship with.
women seem to hate immature men who are stuck in their childhoods, well drugs n booze are things we all wanted to do as children , after ur allowed to do it legally or ur old enuf to buy ur own the thrill should b gone
plus after yrs of doing pot the effects are dulled to the point u need to smoke at least 2 grams to get even a slight buzz
frankly dating a stoner isnt a fantas of to many ppl that i know
not to mention the wrinkles n flaky skin it gives most ppl
hmm oh if i had an incurable disease btw id choose to do something a lil more permanent that pot btw
maybe an lsd diet n move out into the mountains
its not that i think pot is bad, i did it when i was a kid
but the addiction to mind and mood altering drugs is a crutch we tend to associate with peer pressure and youth
time to grow up and get rid of that crutch
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| Marijuana....Friend of Foe?
Posted: 4/8/2007 11:26:37 PM | | If there’s one thing that I have learned in here, it’s that most people who are wrong will never admit it even with facts thrown at their faces. At that point, we certainly can’t call it ignorance anymore as the information was passed along. At that point, it just becomes stupidity. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 1:04:39 AM | Time for my 2 cents....
According to The Final Report Of The Commission Of Inquiry Into The Non-Medical Use Of Drugs { published in 1973 by the Canadian government and still used today as a basis for the laws that surround non-medical drug use...}
" The common spice nutmeg ( and mace ) has had a long history of medical and non-medical use as a drug which parallels in many respects that of cannabis. The effects of nutmeg and cannabis are remarkably similar, although the nutmeg 'trip' is considerably longer in duration. The nutmeg tree ( MYRISTICA FRAGRANS ) is cultivated in many tropical areas of the world. The active principles of nutmeg are structurally very similar to amphetamine, mescaline and MDA. The use of nutmeg for its psychotropic properties has often been noted in certain groups in North America, but such use has apparently never been extensive."
Nutmeg.........now I know why my Grandma was always in the kitchen........lol
I think everyone here has to give there head a little shake.....the Canadian government is GROWING POT AS I WRITE THIS!!!! Not for dealers or cops or judges.....for people that have proven to the authorities that they have an ailment which requires medicine....and then the government gives them permission to possess cannabis for the purpose of pain relief......permission to possess AND precribe....
Hey....I'm not dying and I'm no angel yet, but I smoke it.....geez, I was in a Led Zeppelin tribute band in the 90's.....I had to smoke, it was a union rule at the time.....lol
But what society has to realise is that to make it good for some does not condone the actions of others....and the government has to re-assess its stance on a very sticky subject....I know many upstanding members of society AND positions of authority that indulge in the beauty of cannabis use.....
Perhaps its time to have a big smoke-in like the old days at Borden Park......
To cultivate the said item and yet to charge someone with said item is a little hypocritical, don't you think????
But that's just my 2 cents.....( and 2 tokes!!!!) | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 7:10:56 AM | Friend to those in chronic pain.
One of the questions asked of me in my interview for my current position was :
"Would you have a moral or legal problem in escorting a resident outside while he/she smoked marijuana to ease pain or depression due to their diagnosis?"
Pretty obvious what my anwer to that question was, as I am working there now.
Also, the statement about the government growing weed is true.
Northern Manitoba...I know people that work there as employees. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 9:31:09 AM | funny thing is he gov is wasting taxpayers money paying those retard inmanitoba to grow shitty weed
why not just buy it from bc where apaparently the best weed is grown without the use of taxpayers money
why not use the pot that is confiscated from drug busts every yr to give these people in pain | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:42:06 AM | Mr. Got The Rockin Pneumonia (GTRP), your desire for finding sources is admirable. Like I said, I had a few friends whom I helped to go through the Rehab Program. My sources are the statements of Addicted Drug Dealers, the Drug Addicts Anonymous. People, who first hand admitted as to how they were mixing the plant with coke and mushrooms and why. People, who publicly admitted how they have migrated from pot smoking to more advanced additives. No, I don't have quotes from books or articles, but when you see a recovering addict on a verge of moral break down - you don't questions the sources then, I didn't. Hearing from them, hearing the rest of the group confirming it, was sufficient for me.
Don't get me wrong, GTRP, I am all for legalizing Marijuana, there are instances where this drug is much needed, but let's have it sold in its pure version, through pharmacy, as the street sold marijuana does not guarantee you purity.
However, as for the healthy people, whom don't have deadly diseases; I don't really understand why you would need to smoke it, especially on regular basis. I think we all have done crazy things in our lives, but getting addicted to anything, including pot, are very short-lived and usually end up with depression or other.
GTRP, in your search for sources, I strongly encourage you to attend the meetings with people, who have gone through it from "pot to hell", they might be able to provide you with more sources, then I can at this point. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:49:53 AM | @FrogO_Oeyes:
In my estimation this statement is wrong, please quote your sources.
You state she is wrong, yet you provide no sources of your own to prove this. By stating she's wrong, you've put the onus on yourself for evidence.
Incorrect. I stated that in my estimation the statements were wrong. Estimations are opinions, and opinions do not require proof. By representing something as fact, the onus is on her to demonstrate evidence of it's existence in reality.
I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to show that much of what she said is true ate least SOME of the time.
I'm sure that in your estimation there is plenty of evidence to show that much of what she said is true at least SOME of the time. Your estimation gives you your surety. Your surety is an opinion, you don't claim it as fact. Because I am of the opinion that you hold that opinion, and that the opinion has value to you...I neither challenge the opinion, nor your right to hold onto it. Had you claimed it as fact, I might ask to see your evidence.
Okay, half right, it is kind of stinky.
Actually, completely correct. If the source is out of your hands, so is any guarantee of the "purity".
Again, incorrect. A guarantee is simply an assurance of an outcome, quality or condition, and such assurances commonly exist in any marketplace. She is only half right therefore, because in my estimation, a crop of marijuana smells...and contrary to her claim - the guarantee is implicit in the transaction.
It is about Marijuana.
A plant.
Yes - but for those who would obfuscate by calling it a "plant", it is a plant which contains chemicals defined as drugs, and it is a plant USED for that content.
Semantics. The chemical tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is also defined as an ingredient, substance, agent, and compound. The word drug, like most words, can have a negative or positive connotation. I quote from my handy Compact Oxford English Dictionary the definition of drug:
"DRUG: noun, 1) medicine or other substance which has a marked effect when taken into the body. 2) substance with narcotic or stimulant effects."
My connotation?
THC defined as a medicine = good, defined as a narcotic = bad.
I chose the word 'plant' not for obfuscation, but to emphasize the silliness of the premise that 'dealers' regularly add things to their pot to induce an addiction. The point being, you'd notice if there was coke in a bag full of plant. Perhaps I should have been more clear. The pervasive additives premise also falls apart, in my estimation, based on economics. The product is attractive enough to those who seek it that addictive additives are not necessary...and it would be cost effective for neither the producer, nor the retailer, to bother.
If the suggestion was that addictive chemicals are added to the water most pot plants are grown in, or that the pot is processed in ways similar to those which the commercial tobacco industry uses, again...in my estimation...the premise is again flawed on economic grounds. It is not necessary to insure a steady market for the product, and therefore a waste of time and money.
Obscuring the chemical content by altering the definition won't change the effects.
Obscuring the potential medicinal and compassionate benefits to patients by choosing the definition for political or economic reasons won't change the effects either.
The benefits of marijuana would be better obtained by refining the active ingredients, than by burning a plant with an uncertain level or balance of thousands of chemicals.
I have no argument with you here, and THC was first synthesized over forty years ago, if my information is correct. The point is that it is still not available as a therapeutic option to most patients who need or desire it now. A bag of pot and a pack of rolling papers are.
(As an aside, two of the friends I mentioned never smoked it, but cooked with it.)
To one degree or another, the other examples have alternate, more predictable treatments.
Alternate and more predictable do not equal more effective. In every example I mentioned, the people experienced fewer negative side effects than the professionally prescribed pharmaceutical treatments delivered, and claimed far more positive results from the pot.
Suffice to say, it's a mixed bag.
Pun intended, I'm assuming.
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My thoughts on pot? Friend to some, foe to others. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 11:50:14 AM |
On Topic:
My thoughts on pot? Friend to some, foe to others.
That sounds pretty intelligent. Personally, I don't know enough about it to make as intelligent a comment, but I'm going to anyways:
When I was 18, I worked the summer in a carwash, with a bunch of pot-heads around my age. Good group - a very likeable bunch. Personally, I never did drugs (or plants ;) and did not care for alcohol. I saved my money up and bought this really nice Mustang - it was a gem. An '88 GT, beautiful rims, lowered a tad - just a gorgeous car.
Everybody in that carwash wanted to know where I got the money for this car. They couldn't believe it. One guy drove an old, beat up chevette. Another borrowed his mom's little Toyota once in a while. I'm guessing that marijuana use does not strengthen a person's capacity for math.
I think that's the problem a lot of people have with marijuana. Not so much the "plant" (or whatever you want to call it), but what some people choose to do with it. You could argue that these are two different subjects, and I suppose that yes, that is correct.
But I tell you what: if I had kids, I'd be pretty disappoined if they were spending their extra cash on short term perks like dope, instead of saving up for a car, or a house, or an education, or trip to Europe, etc.
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Posted: 4/9/2007 11:54:06 AM | ^ well said, I fully expect my future kids to experiment with drugs here and there like I did...but if they ever turn into potheads or worse...I'm locking them into a detox boot camp, I don't care what you stupid liberals think about them...none of my kids are turning into useless members of society  | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:55:56 PM | @Ms. Tiff - Thanks for your response.
My sources are the statements of Addicted Drug Dealers, the Drug Addicts Anonymous.
I suspect these people were in their recovery programs to get over their addictions to more destructive substances, rather than to gain control over their consumption of marijuana.
People, who first hand admitted as to how they were mixing the plant with coke and mushrooms and why.
Neither cocaine nor mushrooms, in my experience, are commonly surreptitiously added to retail bags of pot to induce an addiction, thereby securing a regular customer. Mixing 'harder' drugs with pot is common at the ingestion level, I've done it. I have never seen, nor have I ever heard of it being done at either the production or transaction levels.
From my perspective, the trouble isn't with the pot, it is with the more addictive, more destructive substances mixed with the pot before it is ingested. I do admit that the bulk of my experience came before the arrival and spread of crystal meth and I don't deny that there are lowlife dirtbags out there that will offer up a laced joint to an unsuspecting or naive person who is expecting nothing but pot to be in the joint. This however, is different than lacing bags of pot for sale, and crystal meth was not mentioned in the post I impulsively responded to.
People, who publicly admitted how they have migrated from pot smoking to more advanced additives.
This may be their linear experience, but in my view, it doesn't prove the premise that pot is a dangerous gateway drug. I freely admit in public that I've had lapses in judgement in the past that led to my trying all manner of dangerous drugs...and in all cases, it had nothing to do with pot. It had more to do with curiosity.
Don't get me wrong, GTRP, I am all for legalizing Marijuana, there are instances where this drug is much needed, but let's have it sold in its pure version, through pharmacy, as the street sold marijuana does not guarantee you purity.
Don't get me wrong either. I don't think pot should be legalised, merely decriminalised...and readily available, without penalty or harassment, to those who seek it for it's medicinal, therapeutic and compassionate uses. Sooner, than later.
However, as for the healthy people, whom don't have deadly diseases; I don't really understand why you would need to smoke it, especially on regular basis.
You appear to be a healthy person, and you use alcohol. If you can answer why you drink alcohol socially, you might find some understanding as to why some people might smoke pot recreationally. I suggest the similarity is that you both find the effects of your activity relatively innocuous and somewhat enjoyable.
I think we all have done crazy things in our lives, but getting addicted to anything, including pot, are very short-lived and usually end up with depression or other.
Addictions to destructive substances are not pretty, and I am not saying that they are.
In crazier times, now long passed, I tried every intoxicating and potentially addictive substance available to me - and the only ones I became addicted to were alcohol and nicotine. Go figger.
GTRP, in your search for sources, I strongly encourage you to attend the meetings with people, who have gone through it from "pot to hell", they might be able to provide you with more sources, then I can at this point.
Been there, and found the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
I wish the same for your recovering friends. | |
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| Marijuana....Friend of Foe?
Posted: 4/9/2007 11:57:06 PM | My sources are the statements of Addicted Drug Dealers, the Drug Addicts Anonymous.
I suspect these people were in their recovery programs to get over their addictions to more destructive substances, rather than to gain control over their consumption of marijuana.
*you suspect? yet you don't know. Therefore your opinions is as valid as someone who says the moon is made of cheese?
People, who first hand admitted as to how they were mixing the plant with coke and mushrooms and why.
Neither cocaine nor mushrooms, in my experience, are commonly surreptitiously added to retail bags of pot to induce an addiction, thereby securing a regular customer. Mixing 'harder' drugs with pot is common at the ingestion level, I've done it. I have never seen, nor have I ever heard of it being done at either the production or transaction levels.
From my perspective, the trouble isn't with the pot, it is with the more addictive, more destructive substances mixed with the pot before it is ingested. I do admit that the bulk of my experience came before the arrival and spread of crystal meth and I don't deny that there are lowlife dirtbags out there that will offer up a laced joint to an unsuspecting or naive person who is expecting nothing but pot to be in the joint. This however, is different than lacing bags of pot for sale, and crystal meth was not mentioned in the post I impulsively responded to.
*Again, based on your limited personal experience. therefore not fact.
People, who publicly admitted how they have migrated from pot smoking to more advanced additives.
This may be their linear experience, but in my view, it doesn't prove the premise that pot is a dangerous gateway drug. I freely admit in public that I've had lapses in judgement in the past that led to my trying all manner of dangerous drugs...and in all cases, it had nothing to do with pot. It had more to do with curiosity.
*It is FACT that pot lowers inhabitions and therefore makes one more open and "curious" to exploration to other drugs.
Don't get me wrong, GTRP, I am all for legalizing Marijuana, there are instances where this drug is much needed, but let's have it sold in its pure version, through pharmacy, as the street sold marijuana does not guarantee you purity.
Don't get me wrong either. I don't think pot should be legalised, merely decriminalised...and readily available, without penalty or harassment, to those who seek it for it's medicinal, therapeutic and compassionate uses. Sooner, than later.
*I have yet to hear anyone argue against the use of pot for medical or therapeutic use.
However, as for the healthy people, whom don't have deadly diseases; I don't really understand why you would need to smoke it, especially on regular basis.
You appear to be a healthy person, and you use alcohol. If you can answer why you drink alcohol socially, you might find some understanding as to why some people might smoke pot recreationally. I suggest the similarity is that you both find the effects of your activity relatively innocuous and somewhat enjoyable.
*Another misdirection used by potheads. Who mentioned Alc or cigs other than you and what do they have to do with the topic at hand?
I think we all have done crazy things in our lives, but getting addicted to anything, including pot, are very short-lived and usually end up with depression or other.
Addictions to destructive substances are not pretty, and I am not saying that they are.
In crazier times, now long passed, I tried every intoxicating and potentially addictive substance available to me - and the only ones I became addicted to were alcohol and nicotine. Go figger.
*yet you still smoke pot? but arent addicted? lol...
GTRP, in your search for sources, I strongly encourage you to attend the meetings with people, who have gone through it from "pot to hell", they might be able to provide you with more sources, then I can at this point.
Been there, and found the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Posted: 4/10/2007 12:01:52 PM | Cannabis increases certain alcohol effects in mice, but apparently does not affect the lethal toxicity of alcohol. It has been shown in Commission research and in studies of another group that cannabis and alcohol can have additive effects on certain phychomotor and physiological functions, and that marijuana may intensify the sedative properties of alcohol under some conditions....On the other hand, the two drugs may have antagonistic effects on some subjective variables such as visual imagery....In this study, cannabis altered the alcohol effects without changing the rate of alcohol metabolism or disappearance from the blood...{ as measured by a Breathalyser }
The lesser of 2 evils, or a compound of both????
I think we can all recall a time when you or someone else has had a hoot while drinking up a storm....and it put them over the edge.....
Friend of foe?????
It will be debated for years...no matter what legislature classification and the such....
I consider booze to be more deadly to mankind than pot....but mix the both and look out.... | |
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