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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/28/2006 5:07:55 PM | | I might be off but I think its because its new to a lot of people and they are fighting for their rights the same as the others have in the past. Its to make more people awear. Its their way of saying they aren't ashame and they are there if people like it are not. More marchs, maybe the more that says o.k. to it. Thats how I think it is. Not my cup of tea, but it is for many. This was brought up once before and got very heated, if I rember right. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/28/2006 8:39:24 PM | You never REFUTED my research.
NOT ONE.....Why is that?
I am beginning to suspect you are mathematically challenged. Over and over again you keep pulling up examples of fringe groups and individuals and attempt to associate them as representing ALL gay people.
Why is that? Do honestly not see the absurdity of it?
Links… Fair enough.
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20040218213614data_trunc_sys.shtml
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/science/10smell.html?ex=1273377600&en=cc4056b5bf851ac9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_LeVay
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/07/000710071931.htm
Enjoy.
Oh yes. Answer the question. Are you a creationist? | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/28/2006 8:54:08 PM |
I can't believe this train wreck is still crashing through this forum.
*shrugs* I’m bored, and I’m sure the mods will be killing it soon enough.
Reminds of a rather un PC statement I pulled from Internet one day. It was likely used on another site that allowed for graphics to be used in posts.
Having an argument with someone on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:34:12 PM | | Well here we go again. Your right Dawn, this is a train wreck. i believe both sides have established their views and we have diverted ourselves from the subject at hand. I will make one last post and my apologies to the mods if i'm off subject. When we are born we are innocent. Our thoughts are manipulated by the words of others. If their words are not impeccable we can be infected by lies. The only way out is to forget those lies, become self aware and then the truth will expose itself. Those who have the blueprint of lies forged so deeply in their character have a difficult time opening their minds. All we can do is pray for them and those they affect. It is then pointless to add anything to this thread as it would just contribute to the negativity of those who continue to judge what they do not understand. On to the next subject folks. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:45:57 PM | It's in response to mean spirited discrimination that gay people have to put up with day in and day out. There are people trying to get a constitutional ban on gay marriages here in Mass, and they are Catholics! I was brought up Catholic but am considering leaving the Church in the future because I am getting more and more alienated with the Church. I am very much straight, like my men , BUT to be so cruel toward gays and lesbians is not nice, nor is it Christian.
I know a lady who is a lesbian and she is a kind, loving woman who takes people in when they need a place to stay. If someone was being mean to her, you will experience my outrage! I remember when she lived in a different city, I was stranded at the airport. My friend picked me up and put me up for the night. What a loving, generous, kind person. To be mean to her upsets me greatly.
Frankly, I don't blame them for having their Pride Day. If you were as kind, loving and accepting as my friend, then there would be no need for such a Day. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 1:44:25 AM | Simple. Minorities rule. The average, decent. law abiding, normal, white, moral, heterosexual has been, folded, stapled, and mutilated just like our constitution has here in the good 'ole USA. We no longer matter. If I went to a foreign country illegally, expected them to support me, change their language to mine, and promote my sexual agenda, HOW FAR DO YOU THINK I'D GET???????
I - rest - my - case. ChosenLady | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 4:43:23 AM | Yeah, I'm feeling put out! Everyday I took care of elderly people who helped make this a great nation. When they retire they live in poverty, their social security they earned is given to illegal immigrants, who haven't even earned it. They have to live off of food stamps, medicade, their families help and whatever they can just to have food, shelter, medical and electricity. Is this the thanks they get? Yeah I'm talking immigration, minorities (sexual, nationality,etc) because it all ties in and it all boils down in the end to the almighty dollar. Those who have it and those who don't. YOu may not think this applies to you...all too soon it will, but then it will be too late.  | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 4:59:22 AM | ....please Refute YOUR OWN statement....
Quite simple. Sexual orientation is biological in nature, therefore it is not a choice. Did you actually read the whole post or simply jump to this point?
No. Like it would be relevant?
Um… Yes… Please refer back to the sheep study. If you don’t subscribe to creationism then that leaves the theory of evolution. Humans are simply another type of animal. They found that sheep have a gay population of about 9%. Autopsies on the sheep have shown that there is a PHYSICAL difference in the brains of rams that show same-sex orientation. The sheep DO NOT choose to be gay.
In regards to what you refer to as research……
You should understand that are simply stating mathematical impossibilities. Taking the conservative number that 3% of the population is gay we arrive at the number of approximately 15,000,000 gay people in the US alone.
Your statements basically come down to 1=15,000,000.
That really doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
I am simply pointing out that the correct expression would be 1 noes not equal 15,000,000. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 7:43:07 AM | Msg 1, thanks to how this thread has developed, i am a little less proud of being heterosexual today .. i am not sure if i would want to parade with some of my fellow heterosexuals in this thread .. i think i am going to go find me a big juicy **** to suck on now ..
edit: umm, i meant to say ***** | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 9:03:15 AM | People choose to do all kinds of things that aren't good for them. People choose to smoke, drink, do drugs, prostitute themselves, move to a place where they will be a minority, worship an unpopular god, commit crimes, get married to an abusive person, etc... Unless you're going to argue that these are all biologically predetermined aspects of a person's behaviour, and that we have no free will, making us no different from animals.
Why, then, is it so inconceivible that a person would choose to be homosexual? I know that scientific people have claimed there are varying degrees of biology responsible for sexual orientation, but, like ANY scientific research into human behaviour, there are biases (on both sides) - especially when it comes to something as politically charged as this. I personally think the biological argument is an attempt to escape accountability and just say "it's not my fault, I was born this way." Can lazy people, rude people, angry people, etc... do the same? Surely there's a "motivation gene" or an "attitude gene" somewhere upon which one can lay blame for one's "ignorant" behaviours...? I know a lot of obese people use genetics as an excuse for the way they are, and, for SOME, I'm sure it's a perfecly legitimate *reason* and not an excuse at all, but for *most*, I think they've just made poor health decisions (diet, lack of *adequate* physical activity) - anyway... the whole "it's not my fault, I was born that way" argument just doesn't wash with me. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 10:29:53 AM | There seem to be two main arguments going on here.
1. Is homosexuality biological or "learned?"
2. Is homosexuality a perversion?
To address point number 1.
Brother studies. Dean Hamer et al collected data on 76 gay men and more than 1,000 of their male relatives. Homosexuality among maternal uncles and sons of maternal aunts was 4-6 times more common than in the general population. Paternal relatives showed much less difference. This suggests a genetic mechanism involving the X chromosome, the sex chromosome men inherit from their mothers. Hamer then studied 40 pairs of gay brothers. In 33 cases they found the brothers had the same five DNA markers in a region of the X chromosome called Xq28. The odds of this occurring by chance are less than 1 in 100.
Brain studies. Having examined the brains of 19 gay men who had died of AIDS plus those of 16 heterosexual men, Simon LeVay found that a brain region known as INAH 3 was much smaller in the gays than in the straights. INAH 3 is located in the hypothalamus, a part of the brain thought to be associated with sexual behavior. The difference wasn't just due to AIDS; six of the heterosexual men had died of AIDS, too. This research has yet to be replicated and even if it is we don't know whether a small INAH 3 is the cause or effect of gayness.
Bug studies. Two scientists, S.-D. Zhang and W. F. Odenwald, found that by tweaking the genes of fruit flies they could induce gay group gropes--five or more males flies would link together in chains or circles and lick each other's genitalia. Interesting, but it's a long reach from the sexual behavior of fruit flies to that of humans.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a950728b.html
I don't discount that some of our sexuality can be learned but to state unequivically that homosexuality is a learned trait and not biological is wrong. We simply don't know for sure how DNA plays a role in our sexual preferences.
2 Perversion? What to one person is perverse, to another is not. It simply comes down to your personal preferences. A person can label anything perverse. Many are against pornography. There are individual state laws banning the sale of sex toys because people find it perverse or immoral. Mixing of races was once, and in some cases still, seen to be immoral, perverse, what have you. So throwing the label around has little meaning because it's your own personal preference. Sadly people have been trying to legislate and dictate based on their own preferences. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 10:34:28 AM | Msg 1, was there a float in the parade for 100% biological Gays and Lesbians? .. was there a float in the parade for pedophiles and victims of pedophiles? .. was there a float in the parade for Gays and Lesbians who believe they had no choice? .. and another, for Gays and Lesbians who believe they had a choice? .. what kind of heterosexuals lined the streets to watch that day? .. what kind of heterosexuals stayed home to watch girl-on-girl porn? .. perverts, all of them? ..
hmm .. if there was a Pride Day for healthy heterosexual relationships, i would dance on the float for perverts .. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 11:53:00 AM | Msg 1, i did not see a float for Gays with low sperm count .. or a float for Lesbians without ovaries .. human Gays and Lesbians seem to have survived a lot .. including the intolerance of the intelligent .. geez, even i am brainwashed into thinking it might be hot to see a woman go down on another woman .. go figure .. damn that Brokeback Mountain, though ..
why is it that 43 percent of American women are either non-orgasmic or will be non-orgasmic for a significant period in their lives? .. i am sure that if there was a parade float for heterosexual orgasmic women, the world would be a better place .. | |
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| Why is there no Pride Day for heterosexual relationships?
Posted: 6/29/2006 1:01:06 PM | It's really rather sad the extent some will go to rationalize and justify their own bigotry...
There seems to be a commonly held belief that gays, male or female, are some kind of biological mishap, because afterall.....they can't procreate!!!
This line of thinking reveals how little some understand when it comes to biology and evolution. If the best interest of the species was to simply create more humans, we would breed like roaches rather than giving birth to one child at a time.
Ask yourself these questions...
Why aren't women fertile their whole lives?
Why don't women have more than one child normally?
Why aren't men capable of pregnancy as well?
The answer should be rather obvious, less is more.
Human beings haven't clawed their way to the top of the food chain by being the most prolific, strongest, fastest, or even arguably...the smartest. We have acheived this feat by simply being the most adaptive higher species, or flexible if you will.
Human babies are born as the most helpless and vulnerable animal on the planet. While most newborn animals come into this world already able to gather/hunt their own food, it takes a human an entire year to learn the skill of mobility.....(walking). And even then we aren't very good at it. 
The point I'm trying to make is that what's best for the species is rarely what's best for the individual. Is the human population in danger of extinction because a small percent of it doesn't procreate? Of couse not. The elderly can not multiple and yet their contribution to the species is much more valueable than a few extra human beings.
Like it or not, gay men and women can come from the happiest healthiest families. No traumatic childhood experience is needed, they are just born the way they are. And like it or not, it is NATURAL.
Perhaps it is a built in safeguard against limited resources or overcrowding? Perhaps not...
But one FACT is unescapable to all those who would try to convince you otherwise. Homosexuality exists throughout our own history as well as in other species of the animal kingdom.
If it were so detrimental to the survivial of the species.....why hasn't it 'rooted' itself out by now? | |
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