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Posted: 8/7/2006 3:42:42 PM | | My bf tryed to commit suicide when i tryed to break up with him. Personally I just thought it was a cry for some attention. And to make things worst, we were only together for about a month after he tryed this. Now lets just hope this break up will be a lot easier than that one. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 3:50:59 PM | | I couldn't think of a worse scenario.... Exactly what i meant by rational thought is at a premium... | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 4:04:06 PM | In some cases i think it is selfish,but working in this area i see a lot of severely depressed people,and because in their case it is chemical,not situational,it makes it harder to deal with in some ways.I wouldnt want to be in their shoes every single day.What about psychotics? can they control the voices that tell me to kill themselves,or just the fact that they are being tormented 24/7.Yes sometimes treatment works,sometimes it doesnt.
But to the op,no one is worth killing yourself over,maybe when you hear about a parent losing all their children and their partner in a tragic accident,maybe then one might consider that option.I wouldnt call that selfish.I lost one child recently and thats bad enough.Killing myself is not an option,i still have so much to see and to do.I know there are many people i have yet to meet,maybe a few from here.So i guess unless we are in that persons shoes we cant really make a value judgement,only formulate an opinion. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 4:09:08 PM | 1) Seriously thinking of suicide: GO TO PHONE, CALL COPS, HOSPITAL, MENTAL HEALTH: KEEP CALLING UNTIL YOU GET HELP IMMEDIATELY. When you get your sanity back, you'll thank yourself. Real permanent solution to what can be (with help) a temporarary problem
2) B.S.ing like this thread: Join Bush's gang, give him some more meat whilst killing self.
or: Donate your life to making me happy, you were going to throw it away anyway. | |
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ckayj
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| Suicide??!!
Posted: 8/7/2006 4:20:47 PM | | I have been a person who has known much about suicide, major depression disorders and all that everyone has been talking about. I may make some people mad, but that is not my intention. I have heard the talk about people who think that it is selfish or just for attention. That a family will be hurt and that it is just plain stupid. What some people are not aware of is that a person who thinks of suicide does not think that they are worth anything. So if they are stupid, selfish ect... then that is just confirmation that they and everyone else around them are better off dead. Sometimes someone has serious emotional problems that are hidden away. Sometimes it is the fear of rejection and from what I have been told by experts is that it is unresolved anger turned in on oneself. The root of the self hatred is varied in all people who are suicidal. These people are hurting and seriously not thinking clearly. People who talk about suicide need help. I don't care how good of a boyfriend/girlfriend you are you are not able to help. You need to let the person know that and immediatly call the police and report it. A few days locked up with professional help will let the person know that it is not a game and the ones seeking attetion will not likely play the game in the future. If a person is in need of some help, hopefully the doctor's will find it. Why would you not call for help for a person you were in a relationship with? Why would you not care enough to give them over to experts? Not all people talk about suicide for attention, some people just don't feel that there is any end to the pain that they are going through. And for the people who would never think of taking their life consider yourself lucky. Sometimes it is not a choice and a lot of the time it is just a messed up way of thinking. The most important thing is to take it seriously. Call the police and get the person help. It was nothing that you did or could help someone with. I guess I can't stress enough how it is a real answer to some people. Name calling is not the answer. I can't tell you that I have never thought about it, I can say it wasn't because someone broke up with me. It was a serious malfunction with my thought process. I am sure that I will not get many dates with this post, but beleive me if this post helps one person the missed dates are worth it. Before you make any opinions about suicide, try to undersand it first. People who seriously think suicide is an answer are in extreme emotional pain. There is not light at the end of the tunnel just more pain and anguish in their eyes. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 4:29:51 PM | | Well said ckay and also very brave.As for the post before yours,at 50 you should be ashamed of your remark.Some people dont have the abillity to make a phone call,if it was that simple a disorder i wouldnt have a job,and no one would commit suicide. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 5:29:04 PM | You apparently won't have a job if potential suicides don't make the phone call. I've had some run ins with depression. Over the last 20 years I've helped forty or so break their immediate desire ("just hang in there, there will come a day when you are glad to be alive") and get professional help. The first part of my comment is the prescribed response. Check it out with your professional coworkers. The second part of my remark was intended to discourage casual suicide talk.
Truth is, there are so many wonderful psycotropics, including Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors, (even Tricyclics are productive), and many advancements in treatments that no one should be incouraged to wallow in depression nor suicidal thoughts.
The more one focuses on a problem or a solution, the larger it becomes. I work on the solutions. The problem is literally a killer. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 5:40:18 PM | PIRATE MOLLIE/MOLLY.....I dont know about the others opinions in here but...I would definately go seek another professional opinion about your situation...I truly wouldnt have written that , but to each their own.
Good Luck | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 7:39:17 PM | | Yes that was a bit of a worry wasnt it.But going back to the issue,its not only depression that leads people to take their own lives,there are several types of depression to start with,but its not the most common reason for suicide.All i can say to people who have lost significant other to suicide,is there is nothing you or anyone else can do.Once a person has made that choice,no help;,treatment,drs etc can stop them.In the hospitals even under expert supervision,there is a very significant number of patients who actually succeed whilsts an in patient.I would also doubt that it is just over a break-up,that some people decide life is not worth living,im sure there are other problems if you were to scratch the surface. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 8:32:41 PM | Bang on goddess, my partner did it and it was not the first attempt
even though the man did suceed 6 days after I booked it.
Yes I did go to a judge and tell her that he was a loaded gun and a danger to himself.........but the judge denied the order 3 days before he died.
It was hell........I have had 6 years of hell trying to put my life back together.
My child was eleven and I can not tell you the hell she went through because her
step dad did that.
And my world is still messed up.................it wasn't my leaving solely it was his
life with all of the components not just me leaving him. Thankyou for your post, you made
any survivor of this type of thing understand........it isn't one issue .....its the entire makeup of many issues. For that I thank you..... | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 1:13:40 AM | 'Perminent SOLUTION' is a misnomer. Perminent yes. You can escape from this life & this body, but you can never escape from the next. And you don't even know there will be a "blinking out". I think it most likely that this spirit will just step out of this husk over into the face of a God that may not be pleased. It may be that He will excuse it if one is unballanced beyond their controle or recovery. But if it's just a refusal to suffer our full quota... not so likely. This 'time phase' is so short in comparison to the infinity of eternity that it don't even show up on any perceptive scale. It is at least myoptic to think of clocking out on what will not even exist in the other world, ... the broken heart over love thing. Jesus, who has been there said that, "in the ressurection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels" (i.e. unsexedl) Matthew 22:30.
We will be in a higher form, represented by the glorified form of the ressurected Jesus, in which form He still sits at the right hand of the Father to plead our case day & night (intercede for our limitations). We will know love in a form we can't even concieve of now. Why pass that up on an uninformed bet? But if you throw away the oppertunity to stay around to get it right you forfeit that. And not only is there no rest in the other place, there is no Tylenol, no vodka or any other relief. So, solution... NO! Sorry if that displeases. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 1:22:23 AM | I point and laugh at the person who cant even commit suicide on there own. call them a complete looser cant even deal with life and cant even deal with there own demise.
And there pretty rude. Leaving there remains behind for another person to clean up. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 5:58:57 AM | I'ts also pretty rude to post without reading other comments first. Its ok though, we know now reading is hard for you and you havn't really done much of it in your life at all. So I 'll explain again what some others were patiently attemtting to teach us previously. I'll keep it short for you. I dont have any pictures and I know how you need them to stay focused. ...
Depression is a sickness. These people are extremely ill....evidently terminal. Tortured and enduring levels of pain that become far beyond their threshold of tolerence.
Your ears and those of a deaf person obviously dont work in the same way. (Heres where I really wish I had a dot-to-dot for you to do on this) SO try to put it together that your brain , perspective, emotional process as well as seretonin levels, dopamine, synaps , etc al work very differently than that of someone who is mentaly ill.
Your logic suggests you normally "POINT AND LAUGH" at terminal cancer patients because "they couldnt even fight a tumour in their brain" What total losers always ****in about the kimo and for being so sick.And finally dying and leaving that sickly,skinny ,bald corpse for us to clean up.
However.... I do question the strength of my own point when comparing your eyes to those of a blind man!
One foot in the Grave the other on a banana peel ! | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 6:17:10 AM | | No one person is worth this pain, or the pain it causes the people who do love you. I cannot say I haven't had thoughts like this in the past, because I have and actually attempted to follow through but was found in time and am here. On June 13, 2006 my son, who was just 19, did end his life for the reasons stated in the first post. Now I just wish I could turn back the hands of time...... | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 6:50:44 AM | I once saw one of these help tv shows, can't remember which one, but the host said something that has always stayed with me. "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"
I can understand someone thinking about it. Your hurt and in pain. I have been there. See my thread "Betrayal of a loved one with your sister". I felt so hurt and very betrayed. Still do. However, I willl not committ suicide. I could not do that to my kids, the rest of my family or my friends. I did go seek help. Saw my doctor and talked. Will continue to see the doctor to help me heal and grow from my experience. When things go bad, you can always learn something. The first thing I learned was never to introduce a man I care about to my slut sister. LOL
My advice - get help from someone. A doctor, from your church, family member, friend, distress centre etc It will help. If your employer has an EAP program (Employee Assistance PRogram) take advantage of it, it is there for you.
The best solution and/or revenge is to live well. Live the best you can, improve yourself and be happy.
Best of luck.
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Posted: 8/8/2006 1:28:30 PM | | what a ****ing prat......if you have ever been on the rcieving end of suicide you would burn the bible......god doesnt exist and anyone who thinks he does is a brainwashed prick......if he did exist the we wouldnt have forums like this or dating sites as we would all still be with the ones we thought were true loves and the loved one we have lost would still be here.......on top of that everyone who knows anything about history knows that the church are worse than the mafia........rapist, peodo's and extortionists......why beleive in that bollocks | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 1:52:58 PM | i have had alot of things heaped on me in my life and managed to pull through it
i have lost love ones i have been dumped, rejected
but i get through it
i dont think anything in this life is worth killing ones self over
relationships are a dime a dozen and there will always be another if one does not work
the ones who are truly hurt by suicide are the people left behind | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 1:57:23 PM | | Suicide ends your own pain and puts it all upon your loved ones. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 5:45:19 PM | | allnamesgone, names are not the only thing gone from your world... & mind. The lunacy of your language is appropriate to your position. One who doesn't believe in the very existance of God would not be a logical source to go to for opinions of what things would be like if there were a God, or what that God should be. It doesn't surprise me that your so-called true loves have left you alone, you have made your own choice to be alone in the universe. Your very philosophy IS a form of suicide (self murder), so how do you fit in here to advise others against following your approach to Life? I double if your life is the ultimate & final test of appeals as to what true love is either, anyway. Kudos to the escapees! | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 5:45:28 PM | | allnamesgone, names are not the only thing gone from your world... & mind. The lunacy of your language is appropriate to your position. One who doesn't believe in the very existance of God would not be a logical source to go to for opinions of what things would be like if there were a God, or what that God should be. It doesn't surprise me that your so-called true loves have left you alone, you have made your own choice to be alone in the universe. Your very philosophy IS a form of suicide (self murder), so how do you fit in here to advise others against following your approach to Life? I double if your life is the ultimate & final test of appeals as to what true love is either, anyway. Kudos to the escapees! | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 5:56:45 PM | thanks for your words of wisdom...I am devested for over 4 months now and have a 7 year old son from my ex and am still begging, crying and pleading for another chance...I even lost weight, cleaned up my act and my house and Im stll being penilized by him for my mistakes....should I hold on a little bit longer to give him a chance to realize that we deserve to be a family again....I have been faithfully waiting and am so distraught.....
Missy
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Posted: 8/8/2006 6:28:36 PM | | i wish words worked for everyone. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 6:42:02 PM | The way I look at it is The devil is in charge of the the world right now. That is way there is so much pain and suffering in the world and if I was to kill myself he would win.And I ain't going to let it happen I don't care how much he beats me down. He not going to win | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 8:18:15 PM | give away my beautiful (although broken) life for an ***hole that won't even care to show at my funeral???????
wtf??????
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
I say, wipe the shit off and keep walking til you hit Getting Better Avenue and turn right into A New Beginning which is off the corner of I'm so glad I'm Alive and Thank God I don't Own Guns. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 8:30:15 PM | | this is so true!!! my heart was broken a few times and still can't talk about it but im getting beter!! BUT DON'T LET IT STOP YOU you will find someone someday that will be your true love and they wont let you down....so get out there !!! | |
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